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Okay. When the second time you went, how did you, 
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how were you contacted? 
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Asked -- when he asked -- when he gave me $300 and 
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asked me to come back, I had left him my cell phone number. 
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Okay. 
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And 
called me and told me that Jeff had 
wanted me to come back and then I went down there. 
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Okay. Do you recall when this was? 
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No. I know it started like this time last year 
because I think about January is the last time I went when I 
met my boyfriend and he didn't want me going down there. 
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So January of this year was the last time you 
went? 
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Yeah. 
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Okay. All right. So she calls you and tells you 
to come 
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(Inaudible.) 
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-- tells you to come to the house to provide, to 
work? 
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Uh-huh. 
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Did anything happen during that massage? 
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No. The only thing he ever did was he tried to 
grab my butt and I told him I didn't feel comfortable with 
that and he always said that if you didn't feel comfortable 
just to let him know. He didn't want you to feel 
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uncomfortable. 
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Was that on the second massage? 
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No. Probably about towards the end because I was 
fully clothed until the third massage. 
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Okay. 
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That was the massage. That's when just I did it 
in my bra and underwear. And then after that is when I 
started feeling uncomfortable with it because he was like 
why don't you take that off and I was like no. And then 
just -- he never pressured me. He never forced me to do 
anything. But he would like try to talk you into it and I 
didn't feel comfortable with it. 
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Okay. So you recall both -- the first two times? 
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Uh-huh. 
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Did he touch himself during the second massage? 
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I guess kinda he would sometimes. 
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What do you mean? 
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Well not -- like towards the end when I was in my 
bra and underwear like sometimes when I would be rubbing his 
chest then he would. 
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Okay. Did he do it on the second time you went? 
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No. 
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Okay. The third time you went, how were you 
contacted to go? 
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called me again. 
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there's more to that. More to the massage. Okay? That's 
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why I didn't want mom to be in here. And you can talk to me 
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about anything. Okay? Like I said, I've interviewed other 
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people already who have told me what transpired in that 
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room. I know it's going to be difficult for you but... 
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Well, the first Lime I went there I did a massage 
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and he was just asking me a lot of questions. He seemed 
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like really nice. And then he kept like staring at me and 
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stuff. And then like I did a massage and he just kept 
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looking at me and he was like oh, you're being shy and I'm 
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like yeah. And he's like do you feel uncomfortable and I 
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was like yeah, a little bit. And he's like okay. And he 
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said well do you want to stop, and I was like no, it's okay. 
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And he was like why are you like being shy and : was like 
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oh, I don't know. And then he would like change the subject 
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and he started talking about other things. And then when we 
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were done he said that if like I wanted to come back and do 
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more then he would like pay me more and then I would have to 
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talk to 
and I could come back. 
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Okay. What kind of questions did he ask you as 
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you were massaging him? 
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He was asking about -- i.L was a year ago. I don't 
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remember everything but... 
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Right. 
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He was just asking me if I had any friends that 
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Okay. At what point did he reach out to try to 
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touch you? 
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While he just before he started to rub his nipples 
he goes I'm going to touch you the way that I like to be 
touched and I was like I don't feel comfortable that way. 
I'm fine. I'll continue to give you a massage but I don't 
want -- I'm very uncomfortable. Because 
before she 
told me if I felt uncomfortable just tell him and he'd back 
off. So I told him that I was uncomfortable like after he 
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started to touch me and he kept 
after that. 
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Okay. He touched your buttocks? 
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Yes. 
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Did he 
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i would not let him. No. 
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Okay. And you mentioned your breast area. 
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Right. 
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Did he try to touch your buttocks under the shorts 
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or --
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At first it was just outside my pants and then he 
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tried to -- I had a belt on with my jeans so he tried to go 
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like inside from behind but he could not and I was like I'm 
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not comfortable. 
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Okay. He put his hands under your shirt? 
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Correct. 
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Okay. And you had a bra on, correct? 
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Yeah, just to bring a girl. 
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And the girl that was going knew that she would 
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have to massage him? 
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She knew everythid . She knew everything. 
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Because that was one of Jeffrey's rules-. 114:had a probleth 
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wfth girls coming to the house that didrifft _know, what they 
were getting into. He would 
met yob know/ make sure 
these girls know what I expect. }lag' sum *hey know what 
they want. Because 'then th1154 get Ai that mOtIEZ don't 
want -- they need to know. 
As far as 
case, she knew everything she 
was getting herself into. It was all volunteered. 
Okay. What did you tell her that she was going to 
do? 
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I told her the same thing. I told her I -- you 
know, this guy Jeffrey -- she came to me saying she needed 
money, da da da da da. I basically told her about it. She 
was like, you know, what do you have to do. I told her, I 
was like, you know, the more you do the more you make. 
That's it. You're going to have to take -- you're going 
in order to make money you're going to have to go up there, 
you're going to take your clothes off. But the more you do 
is the more you make. She walked out of there with $300 so 
she obviously and evidently let him do a little more. Plus 
on her way home she kind of told me what she did. 
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calls us when she gets in town. 
calls 
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us to let us know when he's available. 
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Oh, okay. 
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I've called him maybe once or twice to see if he 
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was in town when I used to work for him but primarily 
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would call us to let us know when he's in and when he wants 
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people to work for him. 
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So she would call you and say okay, he's coming in 
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Friday? 
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Friday at 7 he wants someone to work for him. 
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Saturday around 12. 
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Okay. Let's talk about 
for a minute. Okay? 
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Okay. 
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at the time was dating your cousin, right? 
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Uh-huh. 
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Okay. She told you she needed to make money. She 
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knew -- did she know you worked.for Jeffrey? 
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I told her. 
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You hid told her you worked for Jeffrey? 
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Uh-huh. 
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And did ybu tell her what it entailed? 
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(Nods head yes.) 
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Okay. So she knew that? 
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She knew everything before she even agreed to it-
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So She knevY there 'wat going: to hate to he seine 
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kind of --
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Contact. Petty Much, yeah) 'Tctaid her. I told 
he exactly what his expectations.were. ,Ztold her what goeS 
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hear you say oh, 1 d/dir':n know he- was going to do all that 
because I'm telling you now whet hes,::-.blipectlng. 
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And basIcally itiktaudhitIV7 
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Fondling. 
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Fondling? 
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Looking, whatever. And I told her just remember 
the more you do, the more you make. But that's up to you. 
She asked me and I flat out told her I wouldn't, I wouldn't 
do more. 
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Okay. Yeah. You made that clear that you 
wouldn't do more. 
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No. Screw that. 
Q 
But as far as 
is concerned --
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Yeah. 
Q 
-- what did she tell you that happened in that 
room? 
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Exact words? If I can recall when she came 
downstairs, when she came downstairs me and her and I 
believe it was 
I was with, we all walked out. We got 
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What do you mean? 
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Like if they, they wanted to work, how did you 
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approach them? Say listen, I got this guy in Palm Beach? 
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For the most part because like I said, two were my 
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friends. The others were like my acquaintances. It was a 
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little more easier talking to them about it because I knew 
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them. 
Just take a deep breath. Take a deep breath 
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because I can see you working up again. You're working up 
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the tears. I can see it. I don't want to get you like 
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that. 
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I pretty much would just ask them. 
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Straight up? 
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If you're looking for extra money let me know. 
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This guy down in Palm Beach, he's really, really, really 
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wealthy. You have to give him a massage. That's all I 
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would tell them. Then if they were interested or told me, 
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yes, I want to do it, I would go in detail with them before 
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they would actually agree. If they told me, oh, that sounds 
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good, I'm interested, then I would tell them okay, I want to 
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let you know this is what you have to do. This is what is 
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Did you tell them that you were going to make 
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money for bringing them over? 
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Most part I believe they knew. 
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you're breaking me off more. And they did. And 
after that Jeffrey said he didn't want her working 
after she started agruing. That's the only 
problem that I can think of. 
DETECTIVE 
: So when you -- to be 
specific, when you took somebody, they knew they 
would have to ge.4:haked they:wpuid Hay" to 
massage him. 
THE WITNMSS: They kilevis.Wilact, they were 
getting into prior tb showing up. That was 
Jeffrey's rule. Tell them what they're getting 
into because I don't want an --
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: Argument. 
THE WITNESS: Yeah. 
DETECTIVE 
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is now, 
is 17. 
When do you think you took her there? In order of 
events, when do you think you took 
there? 
THE WITNESS: She was 16 when I took her 
there. It was her -- I took her probably like 8 
months ago. It's been a while. It's been a 
while. I don't know the exact dates because, like 
I said, I haven't contacted him in a while. But 
it was a while ago. 
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: Now does she live near 
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Me and 
both sat in the kitchen that day. 
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Okay. So 
is the one that worked? 
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Yes. 
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Okay. Each girl that you went with, 
, those are the ones that did the work? 
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Yeah. 
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And 
sat in the kitchen? 
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That one day. When I was --
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Okay. -Acrd 4g tbu 
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have had with them as far as what to expect? 
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I think I remember 
telling 
that if he 
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tells you hey, you know what I mean, if you want to do 
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anything else you're still free to say no and he'll, you 
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know what I mean? He would -- something to the extent where 
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like hey, if he's like will you do this feel free to say no 
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and he'll be okay with it pretty much. 
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Okay. And what you mean by he wants to do this, 
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it's more than a massage? 
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Right. 
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Okay. What do you know of that goes on up in the 
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massaging or working --
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Nobody ever wanted to tell me anything. Just that 
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to be true. And as I found out it wasn't quite what she 
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said. Just he asks the girls to take off their clothes and 
give him a massage and he likes watching them I guess. 
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Okay. 
, I've talked to a lot of girls and I 
pretty much know what goes on, okay --
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Uh-huh. 
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-- to some extent. So I want you to feel free to 
talk to me without any problems. Trust me, there's nothing 
you're going to say that's going to shock me. I've talked 
to a lot of girls that visited the house. So this girl 
took you. 
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Uh-huh. 
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And told you for -- a massage for $200. Did she 
tell you you'd have to provide the massage naked? 
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She said that I might have to take off my clothes 
but that I'd be able to leave on my underwear which was 
true. 
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Okay. So talk to me about the first time you went 
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I went -- 
went in with me and brought me 
upstairs to the room that's like off to the side of his 
bedroom and showed me how to set up the table and where all 
the lotion is and everything. And then she went outside to 
wait for me. 
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Um, a couple of days later, I believe it was a Saturday night. I'm 
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almost positive it was, cause I know I didn't have to go to school 
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the next day. Urn, and definitely wasn't a Friday. So it next 
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Saturday night after that. She set it up, and I picked her up from 
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the her apartment, and we drove to the island and I worked, urn, 
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and he paid her three or four hundred dollars to bring me. 
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And that was it. 
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All right. Urn, and this was a year and a half ago, correct? 
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Maybe two, I'm not sure, I didn't really keep track 
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If it was two years ago I was sixteen, if it was a year and a half, I 
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Okay. When you first went to give a massage, urn, you were 
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explained that, it was just a massage? 
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Just a massage. 
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She said that he wanted cute girls, so I looked cute, did my best, I 
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didn't — I•didn't think that it was what irwas. I'!wasn't naïve 
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enough.to think that he was gonna pay.metwo•hundted dollars just 
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for nothing, [stutters) LI don't know, like I don't know what was 
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going through my head. I absOlutely'don't lcnpw. And I - the back 
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of my mind I was thinking,, oh; 
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was also.thinIcing; youltnow,.at the same time,-is she -fucking 
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crazy? Like, this guy's not gonna pay you money for not doing 
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anything, not letting him cop.a feel or nothing. You know? So I 
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didn't know what to think, I was like oh, I'll just go and I'll feel it 
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out and if I don't like it, I'll leave. Like, in the middle of it, like I 
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don't care. If he does something that I have a problem with then 
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