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FBI VOL00009

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LAW OFFICES OF 
GERALD B. LEFCOURT, P.G. 
A PROFESSIONAL CORPORATION 
NEW YORK, NEW YORE 10OE1 
GERALD B. LEFCOURT 
SHERYL E. REICH 
RENATO C. STABILE 
A. FRIEDMAN 
VIA FEDERAL EXPRESS 
Assistant United States Attorney 
Office of the United States Attorney 
Southern District $ f Fl. rid 
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 
Dear 
TELEPHONE 
FACSIMILE
February 23, 2007 
Re: Jeffrey Epstein 
Thank you once again for meeting with us regarding our client, Jeffrey Epstein. 
As you know, in advance of last Tuesday's meeting we provided you with the recorded 
interviews of various witnesses taken in the state's investigation. At the meeting, we disclosed 
that, as part of our own preparation, we made working transcripts of these recordings. You have 
asked for copies of the transcripts and we have discussed various ways that that might be 
accomplished without compromising Mr. Epstein's position and rights. 
To assist in your bringing this investigation to a close, enclosed are highlighted excerpts 
of the transcripts. The excerpts support our argument that no federal prosecution should be 
brought in this matter. Please note that these transcripts are drafts and subject to further review 
and revision. They are provided as a courtesy and in furtherance of our discussions and therefore 
are not usable by you for any purposes. By accepting these transcripts you agree never to 
contend that any revisions made thereto compare unfavorably to the drafts provided; nor will you 
use the drafts otherwise to the detriment of Mr. Epstein. 
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LAW OFIFICCS Olr 
GERALD a Lnecontr, P.C. 
Assistant United States Attorney 
Office of the United States Attorney 
Southern District of Florida 
February 23, 2007 
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The excerpts fall generally into the following five subject areas and are therefore so 
arranged in the numbered tabs. Note, the witnesses were not all asked the same questions and 
therefore, not every witness touched on every subject area we here consider relevant: 
Tab I: Mr. Epstein did not ask the women to touch, nor did the women in fact touch, his 
genitals; 
Tab 2: Mr. Epstein did not ask the women to engage, nor did they in fact engage, in 
sexual intercourse with him; 
Tab 3: Not only did Mr. Epstein not search out women under the age of 18, but the vast 
majority of the women from whom he received massages during the period were 18 or older. To 
the extent the witnesses were asked, they admitted being told that Mr. Epstein would not allow 
them into his house if they were not 18 and that if they were not 18, they were told (by friends, 
not by Mr. Epstein or anyone employed by Mr. Epstein) to lie about their age. Again, to the 
extent they were asked in the interviews, they admitted that, if the subject of age did come up in 
conversation with Mr. Epstein, those under 18 falsely claimed to him that they were 18; 
Tab 4: Mr. Epstein did not coerce, threaten or otherwise pressure the women in an effort 
to force them to do anything; to the extent they were asked, they admitted they understood they 
could decline to accede to any of Mr. Epstein's requests; and, 
Tab 5: Prior to going to Mr. Epstein's home, virtually all of the women were apprised of 
what they would be asked to do or, if they claimed they were not, they had no objection to what 
occurred, since they either returned to give further massages or they brought others to do so, or 
both. 
1 Of course, irrespective of what any particular witness said at her interview on any particular point, in 
• 
many instances fanciful claims are contradicted by the witness herself elsewhere in her statement, by 
documentary evidence, and/or by other witnesses. Moreover, the witnesses suffer from significant 
credibility problems based on universally accepted tests for credibility: bias, motive, prior bad acts, etc., 
some of which we have already previewed in the February 1, 2007, letter. 
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• 
LAW OFFICES or 
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GERALD B. Lzroourr, P.G. 
Assistant United States Attorney 
Office of the United States Attorney 
Southern District of Florida 
February 23, 2007 
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Finall . ursuant to our r uest we have included copies of the full working transcripts 
of the 
and 
recordings. If you have any questions regarding any of 
the materials we have provided please feel free to contact us. 
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Very truly yours, 
Gerald B. 
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cc: 
fl
uty Chief, Northern Region 
Federal Bureau of Investigation 
Lilly Ann Sanchez, Esq 
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1 and that, r don,t know, we just don't talk anymore. 
2 
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Which was? 
3 
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4 
and --
5 
A 
And III. I don't know if 
has ever slept 
6 with him. I can't speak for her. But he liked her the 
7 most. I don't know why he liked her the most but it was 
6 always 
9 girls. 
10 
Q 
11 
A 
working for him. And she wouldn't just bring 
She would work for him. 
Now much money do you think she made? 
I don't know. She never really 
the first time 
12 I brought her she made 200. After that I think she started 
13 making like 300. It's not accurate. Like I can't --
14 
Q 
The more you do the move you get paid. 
15 
A 
Pretty much. 
16 
Q 
I know you said that. Mit --
17 
A 
Richt. I think she made 300 after that 
I think 
18 she started making like 300 
19 
Q 
Does be make the girls touch him down there? 
20 
A 
I don't. know. 
21 
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to that part of the message? 
22 
A 
It wasn't with me. He never asked we to touch him 
23 or fondle him. He never asked me 
I don't know if he's 
24 ever asked the other girls. It was never really brought up. 
25 It wan always him touching then. 
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Ttroe hundred. And tnat wes the last tine you 
2 went? 
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you didn't have 
5 a bra on? 
6 
A 
I didn't have a bra oi. 
You didn't have a bra on. And your. b.ctooks? 
8 
A 
Ct-huh 
Was that over your panties or under your panties? 
1C 
A 
Like : have a thong on to. 
11 
Q 
You had thongs. Okay 
All right 
Old he pull 
12 you close to him? 
13 
A 
Yeah. 
14 
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And all this while he was 
15 
A 
(Nods head yes.) 
16 
Q 
Did he have you touch hits.? 
17 
A 
NO. 
18 
Q 
Aside from the massage, 
19 area? 
20 
A 
Huh-huh. No. 
21 
Q 
Did you bring anyone else other _hen --
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Do you kno... 
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Right 
2 
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They cover enough 
They don't show too much 
3 
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Okay. You messaged him? 
4 
A 
Uh-huh. 
5 
Q 
Did he try to touch you in any way? 
6 
A 
No 
7 
Q 
Did he introduce any toys or massagers slash 
6 vibrators? 
9 
A 
No, Huh-huh 
10 
Q 
Did he ask you to touch him? 
11 
A 
Just to give him a massage. 
12 
Q 
I mean --
13 
A 
Oh, no. Huh-huh. 
14 
Q 
NO? 
15 
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t would have said no anyways 
That's gross. 
16 
Q 
Okay 
Did he touch himself? 
17 
A 
Yeah 
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Okay• And I mean, t mean by Colleting himself, did 
18 he 
20 
A 
Yeah. 
21 
Q 
Okay. Co you know if he 
23 
A 
He did.
24 
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He did. Nes that the only time you ever went? 
25 
A 
one time. 
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I was writing that quickly, 
and I was 
3 thinking 
4 
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Okay. That's fine. 
5 
Q 
All right. Was there anybody ever at the house 
6 that you provided a massage to aside from Jeffrey? 
7 
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No. No. 
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Did he touch himself? 
12 
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Yea. 
13 
Q 
Would he be just touching aimaelf or would he be 
14 
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l6 
Q 
Okay. How would you kr.ow that the massage was 
,7 over? 
18 
A 
19 
Q 
20 
A 
Yeah. 
2]. 
Q 
Again. I've talked to a lot of girls and so far 
22 everything seems to be in the norm, so that's why I'm saying 
23 don't, I know it's a little embarrassing. 
24 
Did you ever meet any other girls that came to the 
25 house? 
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•Did' he ever sek.*Oi-tO tonal bin? 
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3 because he never asked Out (inaudible). 
4 27 pracyrvk DAWOCN: 
5 
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Okay 
Eid you ever see him nude? Naked? 
6 
A 
I wasn't paying attention. He got in the shower 
7 in front of to but I wasn't paying attention. 
8 
Q 
So you can see -- the shower you corld see from 
9 the room? 
10 
A 
There was the shower and then he has like a bath 
11 If you come up into his bedroom, I don't really remember. 
12 but if you coma into his room there's a shower. As you come 
13 into the bathroom part there's a shower right here. And 
14 then a massage table right here 
And then there was a couch 
15 going around right here. And Us shower (inaudible) ha took 
16 a shower and he's like feel comfortable and I was like okay. 
17 I don't remember if he asked me to take off my clothes, my 
18 top and my bottoms, but I think he did. I'm not sure. I 
19 have bad memory 
It was a long time ago. 
20 
0 
Okay 
So if you wanted to look, he would have 
21 been naked in front of you; you just made it a choice not to 
22 look? 
23 
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Right. 
24 By DETECTIVE ■ 
25 
Q 
Okay 
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Detective 
reference case number 05-368. The time now. by my watch. is 
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approximately 6 minutes past 2pm on 3;151O5. (Inaudible) High Ridge Family 
7 
Cerder, 
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Present also Is.. could you state your name 
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please? 
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Spell your name please? 
And your date of birth? 
And you are? 
Family Therapist. 
Could you spell your name please? 
And you're her family therapist? Am I correct? 
Yes. 
Okay. I'm here today; 
and I have stated briefly My I'm here is in 
23 
reference to an incident that happened to a friend of yours. o• a girt you know. 
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E: Are you lying about anything? 
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swear on the bible. 
3 
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Okay. Swearing to God, that's good enough for me. 
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4 
M. I swear to God. 
5 
Okay. is there anything else you'd like to talk to me about? 
6 
M: 
No, because that's about....nothing else about the whole thing. 
7 
M: So that's it. You did not have any kind of sex with him. 
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9 
S 
Heck no!! I will swear on my mother's grave... 
You know what having sex with somebody means? 
10 
•. Yes, I know what having sex with somebody means. 
11 .; Okay. You, at no time, touched his penis? 
12 
M: 
At no time did i touch hit penis. 
13 
5 
At any time, did he touch you.... . 
14 
At no time... 
15 
5 
Besides pulling his hands... 
16 
Besides that, no times did he touch me. 
17 
And just so I can be sure, you saw him whacking off once. 
18 
Yes, I saw him. 
19 
5 
Okay. And as far as you think..... 
20 
I think, I know, web, I couldn't say I know, but its the same noises were being 
21 
made when he was (inaudible). 
22 
5 
And that's it. I thank you very much This will conclude the interv;ew. The time 
23 
now by my watch Is approximately 3:05. 
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3 
A 
Well, no. :t was the second time that' I gave him 
4 a massage 
The first time i went up with 
5 
Q 
Okay. You want upstairs with IIIIII? 
6 
A 
No, T was 11 the kitchen. 
7 
Q 
You were in the kitchen 
That was -- you only had 
8 two times that you went tnere? 
9 
A 
Yeah. 
1p 
Q 
the 
time you didn't do anything but just sit 
11 in the kitchen? 
12 
A 
Yeah. 
13 
Q 
Who did you sit in the kitchen with? 
14 
A 
He had a coos that was there and he had -- there 
15 was _i:ce two other girls there that :Ave with him. 
16 
Q 
Okay, Did yo:z massage his back? Was he naked 
17 when you were massaging him? 
18 
A 
Well, he had like a towel around his -- his upper 
19 was (inaudible) but he had like a towel around him. 
20 
Q 
Okay. Did he over remove that towol? 
21 
A 
No. 
22 
Q 
When you were massaging him he never removed the 
23 lowe? 
24 
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Nu. 
25 
Q 
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1 Private area? 
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Q 
No. Ho. I wouldn't do that. 
You wouldn't do that.? 
4 
Okay. Did he touch you in your private area? 
6 
A 
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No. No. 
No. 
7 
A 
He kept like staring at Ire and like, I don't kdcw, 
3 1 just felt uncomfortable and I _eft. But I heard other 
10 
stories that like --
0 
Righl . 
I'm concerned with you. 
I know abort. 
11 other stories and I've interviewed other people halm told me 
12 different things. ?hat's why I'm trying to find oat whet 
13 happened to you. Okay? 
14 
A 
Oh-huh. 
15 
0 
You're the victim in this so that's why I'm trying 
16 tc find cut what happens to you 
17 
A 
eh-huh. 
28 
0 
nay? Who took you upstairs to the room? 
29
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This girl 
that lives with him. 
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Clay. So 
took you 4p? 
21 
A 
Yes. 
22 
0 
Did she tell you anything? Did she say anything? 
23 
A 
Huh-huh. There's a manage table and she just 
24 laid a tower down and she said that 3e1(rey will be oLt EoL 
25 ais massage. 
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