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it was kind of what I considered like an exploded house. 
Q. When Mr. Epstein was staying on this island, what airport 
did you fly into and out of? 
A. We flew into the main airport in St. Thomas, U.S. Virgin 
Islands. I believe it's called Charlotte Amalie. 
MS. COMEY: We can take that down. 
Thank you, Ms. Drescher. 
Q. Mr. 
, what, if any, of Ms. Maxwell's residences did 
you visit during your employment? 
A. I think I've been to all of her residence. 
Q. Could you walk us through each of them chronologically, 
starting with the first, please. 
A. Yes. The first time I met Ms. Maxwell, she was in a 
smaller apartment. We're going back 30 years, so I don't 
really remember the streets. 
But then the second apartment I remember a little 
more, a little more 
obviously better, which I believe was on 
84th Street, which was a nice three-bedroom apartment. And she 
was there for several years. I did set up a home theater in 
that apartment as well. 
And then eventually she purchased a brownstone 
townhouse, I believe, which was on 65th Street. 
Q. About when do you remember Ms. Maxwell moving from the 
smaller apartment to the apartment around 84th Street? 
A. Had to have been the mid '90s. I don't really have a good, 
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accurate estimation on that. 
Q. And about when do you remember her moving into the 
brownstone townhouse you mentioned? 
A. I'd only be guessing if I said the 2000s, but I don't have 
an exact era. It had to have been in the 2000s, I believe. 
Q. In what borough were all three of those residences? 
A. They were in Manhattan. 
Q. Why did you go to those residences? 
A. It was -- it was still luggage; we would actually go there 
to pick up luggage for the flights. I would actually go there 
sometimes to get an expense report signed. And then also at 
the brownstone I did -- she had the sixth floor up there that 
had a home theater that I installed with a flat screen TV, so I 
would occasionally go there and support, you know, help tune 
and adjust that. 
Q. Would you please describe the interior of Ms. Maxwell's 
brownstone townhouse. 
A. I believe it was a five or six-story building or home. Yo. 
entered the front door, it brought you into a courtyard or I 
should say an entrance foyer. And then once you started -- you 
walk up the first stairs to the first -- to the first level you 
got to, that was kind of the living room and also had the 
kitchen. So in the front of the house of the brownstone was 
the living room, then there was a dining room, and then further 
back of that was the kitchen. And then you went to the next 
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level, the second and third floors, I believe were the guest 
bedrooms and the master bedroom. And then once you got to the 
top, which, if memory serves me correctly, might have been the 
fifth floor where we installed a home theater for her. 
Q. Switching gears. Between 1991 and 2004, what planes did 
you fly for Mr. Epstein? 
A. From '91 to 2004? 
Q. Yes. 
A. The first aircraft was a Hawker Siddeley, what's called an 
HS125. Mr. Epstein purchased that. He had that aircraft from 
'91 till 1994. And then in 1994, he sold that aircraft and he 
purchased a Gulfstream, which is called the G2B. And he had 
the Gulfstream from 1994 up until 2000, when he added another 
aircraft, is when he bought the Boeing 727. And he continued 
to keep both of those aircraft. So we flew both aircraft, the 
Boeing and the Gulfstream, up until 2004, to the date you 
mentioned. 
MS. COMEY: Ms. Drescher, would you please pull up 
Government Exhibits 311 and 312 for the witness, the Court, and 
the parties. 
Q. Mr. 
, do you recognize these? 
A. Yes. 
Q. What are they? 
A. That is the first aircraft Mr. Epstein purchased, which is 
the Hawker Siddeley 125. 
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Q. Are these both fair and accurate depictions of that 
aircraft? 
A. Yes, they are. 
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, the government offers both of 
these exhibits in evidence. 
MR. EVERDELL: No objection. 
THE COURT: Without objection, Government 311, 312 are 
admitted, and you may accomplish. 
(Government's Exhibits 311, 312 received in evidence) 
MS. COMEY: Thank you, your Honor. 
You can take those down. Thank you, Ms. Drescher. 
Q. Mr. 
, about how many helicopters do you remember 
Mr. Epstein owning between 1994 and 2004? 
A. During that time frame, up until 2004, it was probably the 
first helicopter he purchased, one helicopter. 
Q. And when did Mr. Epstein purchase that helicopter? 
A. Give or take a year, probably the year 2000, '99 to 2000. 
MS. COMEY: Ms. Drescher, would you please pull up 
Government Exhibits 344 and 345 for the witness, the Court, and 
the parties. 
Q. Mr. 
, do you recognize these? 
A. Yes, I do. 
Q. What are they? 
A. That is a photo of Mr. Epstein's first helicopter he 
purchased. 
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Q. Do both of these exhibits fairly and accurately depict that 
helicopter? 
A. Yes, they do. 
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, the government offers these in 
evidence. 
MR. EVERDELL: No objection. 
THE COURT: 344 and 345 government exhibits are 
admitted. You may publish. 
(Government's Exhibits 344, 345 received in evidence) 
MS. COMEY: Thank you, your Honor. 
Q. And while Ms. Drescher puts those up, I'll ask you, 
Mr. 
, what did Mr. Epstein use these -- this helicopter 
for? 
A. It was mainly to get from St. Thomas to Little St. James, 
rather than taking the boat ride. 
Q. Who do you remember flying this helicopter? 
A. Myself, Ms. Maxwell flew the helicopter with me, and I also 
had some contract pilots that were based in St. Thomas that 
assisted flying the helicopter as well. 
Q. About how many times do you remember Ms. Maxwell flying 
this helicopter? 
A. Many times. It would be hard to put a number on it. Any 
time -- several -- many times. It's hard to put a number on 
it. 
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Q. Between approximately 1994 and 2000, what plane did you fly 
most frequently for Mr. Epstein? 
A. From 1994 to 2000, that would be 
it would have been 
all been the Gulfstream G2B. 
MS. COMEY: Ms. Drescher, would you please pull up 
Government Exhibits 336 and 315 for the witness, the Court, and 
the parties. 
Q. Mr. 
, do you recognize these? 
A. Yes, I do. 
Q. What are they? 
A. The photo on the left is a photo of the Gulfstream G28 that 
has the white stripe on it, the black aircraft. The white 
aircraft in the photo is -- I don't -- nothing to do with 
Mr. Epstein. And then the photo on the right is another photo 
of the Gulfstream G2B with Mr. Epstein standing in front of it. 
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, the government offers these in 
evidence. 
publish. 
MR. EVERDELL: No objection. 
THE COURT: 336 and 315 are admitted and you may 
(Government's Exhibits 315, 336 received in evidence) 
Q. While Ms. Drescher puts these up for the jury, would you 
please describe what the interior of the G2B looked like, 
please. 
A. As you walk up the entrance stairs to the aircraft, 
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obviously if you make a left turn, that would bring you into 
the cockpit. You made a right turn, brought you into the 
passenger compartment. And as soon as you got into the 
passenger compartment, there were four large captain's chairs. 
They were baseball glove leather in color. This aircraft had a 
burgundy carpet. Once you get past the four chairs, you're 
continuing walking to the rear of the aircraft. There was a 
conference table to the right that had two chairs as well. 
And then further aft, as you continue walking to the 
back of the aircraft, there was a couch or a divan inside 
there. And then once you went past the couch divan, there was 
a galley or what you would call kitchen inside the aircraft. 
And as you went further past that was the bathroom for the 
aircraft. And then further back than that is the luggage 
compartment. 
Q. What, if any, barrier was there on this aircraft between 
the pilots and the passengers? 
A. Between the pilots and the passengers there was a door that 
could be shut. 
Q. And when you flew this plane for Mr. Epstein, was that door 
open or shut during flight? 
A. We always had the door closed. It's much quieter with the 
door closed as well. 
Q. So were you able to observe what the passengers were doing 
when you flew this plane? 
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A. No, I could not. 
Q. Between approximately 2001 and 2004, which of Mr. Epstein's 
planes did you fly most frequently? 
A. Between 2001 and 2004, it was a combination of both the 
Boeing 727 and the G2B, depending upon his choice of what 
aircraft he wanted to fly. But mostly during that time frame 
we were flying the Boeing 727. 
MS. COMEY: Ms. Drescher, would you please pull up 
Government Exhibits 302 and 301 for the witness, the Court, and 
the parties. 
Q. Mr. 
, do you recognize these? 
A. Yes, I do. 
Q. What are they? 
A. Those are two photos of the Boeing 727 that Mr. Epstein 
owned. 
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, the government offers these in 
evidence. 
MR. EVERDELL: No objection. 
THE COURT: 302 and 301, government exhibits, are 
admitted. You may publish. 
(Government's Exhibits 301, 302 received in evidence) 
MS. COMEY: Ms. Drescher, after you've shown both of 
these, I'd ask just to put up Government Exhibit 301 for the 
jury, please. 
Q. While she's doing that, Mr. 
, would you please 
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describe what the inside of this plane looked like. 
A. Sure. The best way to describe it, it was kind of like a 
recreational vehicle inside; it wasn't like a typical airliner 
would look. 
You went in the front entrance door which is located 
at the forward part of the aircraft. You walked upstairs. And 
if you continued straight ahead, it went into the first 
bathroom, which we considered the crew bathroom; so there was a 
lavatory up in front. And then if you made a left turn, 
brought you into the cockpit. 
Now we're still at the entrance and now we're going to 
walk to the back of the airplane. You went through -- as soon 
as you got to the first compartment, there was like a large 
living room that had one, two, three -- it had three couches or 
divans. And then it had several captain chairs inside there. 
Once you went from that first compartment, you're 
continuing walking to the back of the aircraft, in the middle 
there was a galley or kitchen like you would find in a home. 
It was a full decked-out kitchen. 
And then once you went further past the kitchen, there 
was what we call the round room. There was a couch or a divan 
in the middle of the aircraft that was actually round or 
circular. And once you went past that, there was what we 
called the red room, which had Mr. Epstein's office that also 
had a red couch or divan and his office desk. 
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And then once you continue further walking to the back 
of the aircraft, there was the master bedroom that had a 
queen-size bed and two captain's chairs inside there. And then 
you're still walking to the back of the aircraft, there was the 
master -- the master lavatory or the bathroom in the rear of 
the aircraft. 
MS. COMEY: Ms. Drescher, would you please pull up 
Government Exhibit 303 for the witness, the Court, and the 
parties. 
Q. Mr. 
, do you recognize this? 
A. Yes. 
Q. What is it? 
A. That is actually the round room I described with the round 
couch or divan inside it. And then further in the photo you 
could see the red couch which was his office. And further 
after that led into the bedroom. 
Q. Is this a fair and accurate depiction of a portion of the 
interior of Jeffrey Epstein's Boeing 727? 
A. Yes, it is. 
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, the government offers this in 
evidence. 
MR. EVERDELL: No objection. 
THE COURT: Government 303 is admitted. 
You may publish. 
(Government's Exhibit 303 received in evidence) 
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Q. While Ms. Drescher puts that up, will you please describe 
once again what we see in this photograph, Mr. 
A. That's the middle of the aircraft or where actually the 
emergency exits are located. When you say describe it --
Q. What we're seeing in the foreground and the background, the 
jurors weren't able to see the photograph when you were 
describing it. 
A. Oh, I'm sorry. Gotcha. I thought I just explained it. 
I'm going to repeat myself. 
So this is the round couch, round divan that was in 
the middle of the aircraft. And then as you see in the photo, 
the red couch or divan, which was Mr. Epstein's office and 
which -- to the right side of that, which is not in the photo, 
there was a large desk. And then in the foreground, way in the 
back are the two captain's chairs that are actually across from 
the master bed in the back of the aircraft. 
MS. COMEY: We can take that down. 
Thank you, Ms. Drescher. 
Q. What, if any, barrier was there between the pilots and the 
passengers on the Boeing 727? 
A. On the Boeing, each compartment had its own doors, so you 
can seclude each compartment or even the cockpit from the 
passengers. 
Q. During flight in the Boeing 727, was the cockpit door 
opened or closed? 
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A. It was always closed. 
Q. So were you able to observe the passengers on the flights 
you piloted on that plane? 
A. No. 
Q. What records did you keep as a pilot for Mr. Epstein? 
A. We kept two documents, one was a flight log and the other 
was a passenger manifest. 
Q. And when you say "we," who do you mean? 
A. I meant myself and the other pilot. 
Q. And who was that? 
A. David Rogers. 
Q. You mentioned a flight log and a passenger manifest. Did 
you complete one for each flight you piloted for Mr. Epstein? 
A. Yes, I did. 
Q. What is contained in a flight log? 
A. A flight log is a document that is pretty much married to 
the aircraft; it's the history of how many hours the aircraft 
has on it, how many times the aircraft has landed, each engine 
has its own total time that's recorded, as well as how many 
times it was cycled, meaning turned on or off. 
Q. Will that flight log have any information about the 
passengers onboard for a particular flight? 
A. No, it will not. 
Q. How about the passenger manifest, what information goes 
into a passenger manifest? 
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A. A passenger manifest is a document that we recorded what 
time we actually took off and landed. It had the date of the 
flight, it had the exact time of departure and arrival, and it 
also had a column for the name of the passengers that were on 
the aircraft. 
Q. Who completed the passenger manifest for each flight that 
was piloted for Mr. Epstein? 
A. Whoever was captain on the aircraft that day would complete 
that form. 
Q. What does it mean to be captain? 
A. To be captain would be to fly in the left seat and be in 
total control of the aircraft. 
Q. How long after each flight did the captain complete the 
passenger manifest? 
A. It was done immediately after the aircraft, within an hour. 
Q. Between approximately 1994 and 2004, what did you do with 
the passenger manifests that you personally completed? 
A. They would acquire them. After about 30 days, I would take 
them to the main office in New York and then drop them off. 
Q. Did you keep a copy for yourself? 
A. No, I did not. 
Q. If you did not know the name of a particular passenger on a 
flight, how will you indicate the presence of that passenger in 
a passenger manifest? 
A. I tried to be as accurate as I could. If I didn't know a 
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passenger name, I wanted to put whether they were male or 
female, the passenger -- as a pilot's standpoint, it's more 
important how many people and how much they weigh compared to a 
person's name. We tried to be as accurate as we could. So if 
I didn't know a name, I put whether they were male or female. 
Q. And remind us why you wouldn't necessarily know the name of 
everyone on your plane? 
A. It wasn't my first priority. Most of the time Mr. Epstein 
would, you know, indicate or introduce us to the passengers, 
but it just wasn't -- it wasn't the first thing, you know, on 
anybody's mind. Occasionally he would introduce and sometimes 
he wouldn't. We would try to gather their name if we asked 
them, if we had the time to ask them. But we tried to do the 
best we could is to get everybody's name. 
Q. During your employment with Mr. Epstein, did you ever fly 
to the airport in Traverse City, Michigan? 
A. Yes, I did. 
Q. About what years do you remember making those trips to 
Michigan? 
A. Definitely in the '90s is the best I could come up with. 
It was in the '90s. 
Q. During what season do you remember taking those trips to 
Michigan? 
A. I don't remember it being cold, because I know it gets 
pretty cold up there. It had to have been summer or, you know, 
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maybe close to fall when cherry season was happening because _ 
think that's the cherry capital. 
Q. When traveling to Traverse City, Michigan, where, if 
anywhere, do you remember picking up Mr. Epstein's luggage? 
A. I can only recall one time that Mr. Epstein had called or 
somebody notified me to pick up the luggage in the lobby of the 
Interlochen School of Music. 
Q. About when was that? 
A. I don't have an accurate date. I could only say the '90s. 
Q. And what is Interlochen? 
A. I believe it's a school for gifted children that are 
talented musicians, singers, etc., world-renowned type of 
school. 
Q. How many, if any, female passengers who flew on 
Mr. Epstein's plane do you remember who were singers? 
A. I can recall one. 
MS. COMEY: At this time, your Honor, I'd like to read 
a stipulation into the record, if I may. 
THE COURT: What is the identification number? 
MS. COMEY: It's Government Exhibit 1004. 
THE COURT: Mr. Everdell, without objection? 
Go ahead. 
MR. EVERDELL: No objection, your Honor. 
THE COURT: Okay. You may read Government Exhibit 
1004, the stipulation. 
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MS. COMEY: Thank you, your Honor. 
It is hereby stipulated and agreed that Government 
Exhibit 11 is a true and correct certified copy of a birth 
certificate reported to the New York Department of State. 
Government Exhibit 11 accurately reflects the date of birth of 
the person named on the certificate. 
Government Exhibit 12 is a true and correct copy of -t 
birth certificate reported to the Rhode Island Department of 
Health. Government Exhibit 12 accurately reflects the date of 
birth of the person named on the certificate. 
Government Exhibit 13 is a true and correct certified 
copy of a birth certificate reported to the Missouri Department 
of Health and Senior Services. Government Exhibit 13 
accurately reflects the date of birth of the person named on 
the certificate. 
Government Exhibit 14 is a true and correct certified 
copy of a birth certificate reported to Sacramento County, 
California. Government Exhibit 14 accurately reflects the date 
of birth of the person named on the certificate. 
Government Exhibit 15 is a true and correct certified 
copy of a birth certificate reported to the Massachusetts 
Department of Public Health. Government Exhibit 15 accurately 
reflects the date of birth of the person named on the 
certificate. 
Government Exhibit 16 is a true and correct copy of -t 
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birth certificate reported to the general registrar -- register 
office of England and Wales. Government Exhibit 16 accurately 
reflects the date of birth of the person named on the 
certificate. 
It is further stipulated and agreed that this 
stipulation, marked as Government Exhibit 1004, and Government 
Exhibits 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, and 16 may be received in evidence 
at trial. 
At this time, your Honor, the government offers all of 
the exhibits I just named. 
THE COURT: Mr. Everdell. 
MR. EVERDELL: No objection. 
THE COURT: Without objection and on stipulation, 
Government Exhibit 1004 is admitted, as are Government Exhibit 
11, 12, 13, 14, 15, and 16. 
(Government's Exhibits 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 1004 
received in evidence) 
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, I would note that the parties 
have agreed that Government Exhibits 11 through 16 would be 
submitted under seal. And I would ask for authorization to 
have the jurors pick up their binders of sealed exhibits so 
that we may look at one of those in a moment. 
THE COURT: Okay. And the sealing is consistent with 
my ruling that some of the witnesses are able to testify under 
pseudonyms. 
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MS. COMEY: Yes, your Honor. 
THE COURT: Okay. And the specific direction to the 
jury is to pick up the binder now or not yet? 
MS. COMEY: Pick up the binder now, but don't turn 
anywhere in the binder yet. 
THE COURT: Okay. Mr. Everdell, without objection? 
MR. EVERDELL: That's fine, your Honor. 
THE COURT: Members of the jury, there's a binder 
under your seat. Please just pick it up, but don't open it 
until specifically directed. Thank you. 
MR. EVERDELL: Your Honor, also they shouldn't pick up 
the folder. 
THE COURT: They should not. There's a folder there 
as well, and you should not pick up the folder yet, just the 
binder. Surprises under your seats. 
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, I would also ask the witness 
to please pick up the binder in front of him. 
THE COURT: Okay. Please do, Mr. 
MS. COMEY: At this time I'd like to ask for the jury 
and the witness to just turn silently to Government Exhibit 12 
and take a look at that. 
THE COURT: We're not going to put these on the 
screens. 
copies. 
MS. COMEY: That's correct, your Honor. All paper 
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THE COURT: Thank you. 
MS. COMEY: And your Honor, we have a hard copy for 
the Court, if that would be useful. 
THE COURT: That would help. Thank you. 
MS. COMEY: May Ms. Drescher approach? 
THE COURT: Please. 
And you've asked, Ms. Comey, to turn to again? 
MS. COMEY: Government Exhibit 12, your Honor. 
THE COURT: Okay. 
So please just turn to Government Exhibit 12. 
Everybody there? Not yet. 
MS. COMEY: I see a hand from a juror. 
THE COURT: You need glasses. We're going to get 
them. Hang on a second. Ms. 
will ask you where she 
can find them for you. Just a moment. 
Members of the jury, please don't turn to other 
exhibits until expressly instructed, but you may look at 
Government Exhibit 12 in the binder. 
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THE COURT: Thank you, Ms. 
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GX-12. 
MS. COMEY: Yes. Thank you, your Honor. 
BY MS. COMEY: 
Q. Now, Mr. 
, without saying the name out loud, would 
you please look at the first and last name on this exhibit. 
A. Yes. 
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Q. Is the first and last name on that document the name of the 
female singer you remember being a passenger on Mr. Epstein's 
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MR. EVERDELL: Objection. Leading. 
THE COURT: I'll allow it. Go ahead. 
Q. You can answer or I'm happy to ask the question again if 
you need me to. 
A. Yes. 
Q. To be clear, is that the first and last name of the female 
singer you remember being a passenger on Mr. Epstein's plane? 
A. Yes, it is. 
MS. COMEY: We can set that aside. Thank you. 
And your Honor, we don't need those binders for the 
jurors anymore for this witness. 
THE COURT: All right. Members of the jury, you can 
close the binder and put it back under your chair, please, 
until given further instruction. Thank you so much. 
Q. Mr. 
, I'm going to refer to that person whose name 
we just looked at as 
please. 
A. Okay. 
Q. Do you remember meeting 
A. Approximately mid to late '90s. 
Q. Do you remember the exact year as you sit here today? 
A. No, I do not. 
, and I would ask you to do the same, 
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