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remember? 
A. Throughout the entire 
or we're talking 1994 to '04? 
Q. Yes. 
A. The first one that comes to mind would be 
Then there was another woman named 
, the last name 
escapes me. Those are the two that are coming to mind right 
away. 
Q. About when did you meet 
A. It had to have been the late '90s to my recollection. 
Q. What did 
look like between when you first met 
her and the mid 2000s? 
A. She looked the same except for different hair lengths and 
maybe a little different hair color. 
MS. COMEY: Ms. Drescher, I would like to please pull 
up for the witness, the parties, and the Court Government 
Exhibits 327 and 310, please. 
Q. Mr. 
, do you recognize these? 
A. Yes, I do. 
Q. What are they? 
A. The photo on the left is Ms. 
with the green 
dress. And then to the right in the photo, it's actually a 
photo of myself at the front of the aircraft. Then there is 
Mr. Epstein. And that's also 
in the photo. 
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, the government offers these 
two exhibits in evidence. 
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MR. EVERDELL: No objection. 
THE COURT: Government Exhibit 327 and 310 are 
admitted. You may publish. 
(Government's Exhibits 327, 310 received in evidence) 
MS. COMEY: Thank you, your Honor. 
BY MS. COMEY: 
Q. While Ms. Drescher puts these up on the screen for the 
jury, Mr. 
, could you tell us, for Government Exhibit 
310, the photo on the right, could you tell us what we see in 
that photo? 
A. In that photo, that's the one with the aircraft in it? 
Q. Yes. 
A. That appears to be a photo of -- it was probably the late 
'90s, mid to late '90s, Mr. Epstein purchased that twin engine 
Cessna 421, and he had a runway at the ranch. So that photo 
appears to be taken at the ranch at one of the ends of the 
runway, judging by the square, you know, the asphalt bottom 
with the square on top there, because it was a dirt runway and 
at the end of the runway, there was an asphalt base to turn the 
aircraft around. 
But in the photo, obviously, it's a picture of me with 
the luggage and Mr. Epstein and Ms. 
MS. COMEY: Thank you. We can take that down, 
Ms. Drescher. 
I would like to now pull up for the witness, the 
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Court, and the parties Government Exhibits 334 and 335, please. 
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Q. Do you recognize these, Mr. 
A. Yes, I do. 
Q. Who do we see starting in Government Exhibit 334, the one 
on the left? 
A. The one on the left is a picture of Ms. Maxwell and to the 
right of her is a photo of Ms. 
Q. How about Government Exhibit 335, who do we see in that 
exhibit? 
A. The same, Ms. Maxwell on the left and Ms. 
on the 
right. 
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, the government offers these in 
evidence. 
MR. EVERDELL: No objection. 
THE COURT: Government 334 and 335 are admitted and 
you may publish. 
(Government's Exhibits 334, 335 received in evidence) 
MS. COMEY: Thank you, your Honor. 
Ms. Drescher, could we please put those up for the 
jury. We can take those down. Thank you. 
Q. Mr. 
, about when do you recall first visiting 
Mr. Epstein's ranch in New Mexico? 
A. I believe the ranch -- his ranch was purchased in 
approximately 1994. I'd call it the mid '90s. 
Q. About how often did you visit that ranch during your 
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employment with Mr. Epstein? 
A. I visited that ranch every visit that Mr. Epstein had to 
the ranch. 
Q. And about how often did Mr. Epstein go to the ranch? 
A. It wasn't that often. Certainly not enough. It was 
probably, maybe five, six times a year. 
Q. What was that ranch called? 
A. It was called Zorro Ranch. 
MS. COMEY: Ms. Drescher, would you please pull up 
Government Exhibit 328 for the witness, the Court, and the 
parties. 
Q. Do you recognize this? 
A. Yes, I do. 
Q. What is it? 
A. That is a photo of the entrance driveway to Mr. Epstein's 
main property on Zorro Ranch. 
Q. Is this a fair and accurate depiction of a portion of 
Mr. Epstein's property in New Mexico? 
A. Yes, it is. 
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, the government offers this in 
evidence. 
publish. 
MR. EVERDELL: No objection. 
THE COURT: Government 328 is admitted and you may 
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MS. COMEY: Thank you, your Honor. 
Ms. Drescher, could we please show this to the jurors. 
BY MS. COMEY: 
Q. While that's up, Mr. 
, would you please describe the 
ranch property that Mr. Epstein owned in New Mexico. 
A. The property in general, the whole --
Q. Yes, please, the whole property. 
A. The whole property. You started entering the ranch off of 
Highway 41 in Stanley, New Mexico. So you drove down a dirt 
road approximately a half mile and you would enter an area 
which the ranch called the Ranch Central, and that housed many 
buildings. 
Just to the left, there were two homes, and that was 
mainly for the ranch staff that lived on the ranch for support. 
So there were two homes to the left. To the right, there was a 
small office for the ranch. And then you continued, you're 
still in the Ranch Central area. And then you went still 
further into the ranch, probably a hundred feet. 
And then on the right side, there was a building that 
had rooms, there was approximately five bedrooms with a western 
motif on the outside. And that would be for whether it be, 
the -- any of the guests that would have came on the aircraft 
to stay, the chef, the pilots all still stayed there. And then 
it was a motel style building. 
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firehouse with a fire engine, and that also had several garages 
for all the maintenance for the ranch. And then to the right 
of that, there was a greenhouse for growing vegetables, et 
cetera. 
And then across the street from the greenhouse, there 
was a stable with a stable area that housed -- it had to have 
been 10 to 15 horses. That was the ranch central area. 
And then you continued through Ranch Central and 
continued up a dirt road approximately, I don't know, it had to 
have been two or three miles and you got to a Y in the road 
where if you went to the left -- I'll take you to the left 
first. Once you got to the Y in the road, you took a left and 
actually you're going to pass by, during that drive, a runway 
we had on the property, which, as you saw, the twin-engine 
Cessna was parked on. So we had a runway and a hangar to house 
the aircraft. So you pass the runway and you continued up the 
road to -- it was called the lodge. It was actually the first 
home site that was selected to build the main house, and that 
was a triple-wide trailer that also had a western faux facade 
built around it. Once you went past the triple-wide lodge, you 
went about, you know, maybe a thousand yards and there was a 
log cabin that was built up on the cliff, because both the 
lodge and the log cabin were on cliffs that overlooked the 
ravine to the north. 
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past the runway. You continued up that road where you saw the 
photo with the Z on the entrance. That was the main entrance 
to the main house. And then the main house was built 
eventually on that cliff overlooking the ravine. 
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BY MS. COMEY: 
Q. In total approximately how many acres was Mr. Epstein's 
ranch? 
A. It was approximately 10,000 acres. I know there was some 
state land included in it, but everybody said it was around 
10,000 acres. 
Q. And all of the structures you just described, were they all 
located on that property owned by Mr. Epstein? 
A. Yes. 
Q. Have you been inside the main house on the ranch property? 
A. Yes, I have. 
Q. For what purpose? 
A. Several purposes. A lot of the times -- it was on occasion 
I would meet with Mr. Epstein and discuss future aircraft 
maintenance or purchases for the aircraft. And then other 
times would be to pick up and drop off luggage. And that was 
another residence that I installed a lot of the home theater 
and audio equipment. He was an audiophile, so he liked very 
high-quality music; so I installed a home theater, like I had 
done at the other properties as well. 
MS. COMEY: Ms. Drescher, can we please pull up 
Government Exhibits 323 and 706 for the witness, the Court, and 
the parties. 
Q. Mr. 
, do you recognize these? 
A. Yes. 
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Q. What are they? 
A. Those are exterior photos of the main house at Zorro Ranch. 
Q. Are these fair and accurate depictions of the exterior of 
the main house on Mr. Epstein's Zorro Ranch? 
A. Yes, they are. 
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, the government offers these in 
evidence. 
MR. EVERDELL: No objection. 
THE COURT: Government 323 and 706 are admitted and 
you may publish. 
(Government's Exhibits 323, 706 received in evidence) 
MS. COMEY: Thank you, your Honor. 
Q. While Ms. Drescher shows those to the jury, I'd like to ask 
you, Mr. 
to please describe the interior of this main 
residence. 
A. Okay. As you come into the entrance, I'll take you to the 
front door, since it's a quite large property. You entered in 
the front door, and I'll take it starting to the left. If you 
enter the main door at the front of the house, you made a left, 
and the house was actually a square house with an open 
courtyard in the middle that had access to the sun. So it was 
a -- virtually a square house that circled the courtyard in the 
middle. 
So we make a left, and that brought you down a 
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that overlooked the ravine or the house -- where the house 
you know, to take advantage of the view. Inside that room 
had a tremendous stereo system that I installed. And then 
came out of that living room and you continued down the 
hallway. At the corner of that 
library with a desk in it where 
also housed an impressive audio 
was, 
we 
you 
hallway there was Mr. Epstein's 
he spent most of his time, and 
system. 
You came out of that room and that led you -- now 
you're on the -- you're still walking down circling the house. 
That brought you into what was the dining room for the house. 
And he didn't use it as a dining room actually; we made that 
into a movie theater room with a projector that came down. So 
that was actually the home theater of the house. And you 
continued through that room. That brought you into a butler's 
pantry. And then from the butler's pantry, you went into the 
main kitchen, which also had a dining room table. Once you 
went through the kitchen, that brought you to another room, 
which was kind of a morning room, just a small little family 
room off to the kitchen. 
As you continue around, there was a staircase that 
would -- I'll take you downstairs first. You went downstairs. 
And that brought you to a gym and an indoor swimming pool that 
also led to the outside patio. Once you came -- I'll bring you 
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back up the stairs. We're on the main level. And then there 
was another staircase that brought you upstairs that housed the 
master bedroom, as well as approximately three -- three or four 
guest bedrooms upstairs. 
Q. When you first visited this ranch, was the main house you 
just described completed? 
A. No, it was not. 
Q. About when was construction on this main house completed? 
A. It was under construction for a while, that's why he had 
the triple-wide trailer to stay during the construction. But I 
would estimate probably late '90s, maybe 2000 is when the house 
got finished. 
Q. And so in the mid to late '90s, when you visited the ranch, 
where did Mr. Epstein stay? 
A. He would stay up at the lodge or the triple-wide mobile 
home I described. 
Q. Could you describe what the interior of that triple-wide 
lodge looked like. 
A. Sure. As I mentioned, it was a triple-wide trailer that 
had a wood western facade built around it to make it a little 
more attractive than just a mobile home. Once you went in the 
front door, there was a large wooden deck in the front of the 
house like you would see in a western movie. And you went in 
the front door, you walked into the living room which had a 
fireplace to the left. 
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And then if you continued past the living room and 
made your left turn to the left side of the home, that was the 
master bedroom. And then you came back into the living room 
you continued straight ahead from the entrance door, that 
brought you into a kitchen that led to a large outside deck 
that overlooked the ravine. And then you came back into the 
kitchen, and to the right side of the house there were -- there 
was a small -- or a family room to the right side and also 
there was two guest bedrooms there. 
Q. Did the inside of this structure look like a trailer? 
A. Not the way it was decorated. It was very high-end. 
Q. What airport did you fly to when Mr. Epstein was staying on 
this ranch? 
A. Typically, depending upon what aircraft he selected, if we 
were flying the Gulfstream, which is a smaller, lighter 
aircraft, we would use Santa Fe, New Mexico Airport. And if we 
were flying the Boeing, which is a large airliner, we would fly 
into Albuquerque due to weight restrictions. 
Q. I'd like to turn now to Mr. Epstein's Paris property. 
About when do you remember first visiting 
Mr. Epstein's apartment in Paris? 
A. It had to have been maybe the late '90s, Ms. Comey. I 
couldn't really narrow it down, but it had to have been in the 
'90s, I would -- yes. 
Q. About how many times did you visit that apartment while 
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working for Mr. Epstein? 
A. Not as much as the other properties. On occasion I would 
go to pick up luggage and drop off luggage at that place. But 
I would almost say every trip, but we didn't go to Paris that 
often, so I'll even go as far as saying most every trip. 
Q. Other than to pick up luggage, did you go to that apartment 
for any other reason? 
A. Yeah. I also did some audio work on the home theater that 
he had in the Paris apartment as well. 
MS. COMEY: Ms. Drescher, could we please pull up 
Government Exhibit 705 for the witness, the Court, and the 
parties. 
Q. Mr. 
, do you recognize this? 
A. Yes. 
Q. What is it? 
A. That is the exterior of the Paris apartment. 
Q. Is this a fair and accurate depiction of the exterior of 
the building in which Mr. Epstein's apartment was located? 
A. That is correct, yes, it is. 
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, the government offers this in 
evidence. 
MR. EVERDELL: No objection. 
THE COURT: GX-705 is admitted and you may publish. 
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MS. COMEY: Thank you, your Honor. 
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Ms. Drescher, would you please show that to the jury. 
Q. And while that's up, Mr. 
would you please describe 
what the inside of this apartment looked like. 
A. I believe it was on the second or third floor, we're going 
back a little ways. But it was -- once you went in the front 
door, it was a little on the unique side. It was a very long 
type of apartment. Once you went in the front door, there was 
an entrance foyer. And if you continued straight through that 
foyer, it would take you into the kitchen. And then to the 
left of the kitchen, I think, led down to a hallway with some 
guest bedrooms. 
Once you came back to the kitchen, to the right there 
was a dining room. And then to the right of the dining room 
there was Mr. Epstein's office where he had a home theater set 
up in his office as well. And then once you came out back into 
the foyer, I believe if you went to the right, it took you to 
either more guest bedrooms, and definitely the master bedroom 
was down the hallway. 
Q. When Mr. Epstein stayed at this apartment, what airport did 
you fly out of? 
A. We flew into Paris-LeBourget. 
Q. Turning now to Mr. Epstein's island, about when did you 
first visit that island? 
A. It was approximately mid to late -- late '90s. 
Q. And what was that island called? 
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A. Little St. James. 
Q. About how often did you visit Little St. James during your 
employment for Mr. Epstein? 
A. Every time we went to the St. Thomas U.S. Virgin Islands, 
where the island was located. 
Q. About how often did you fly Mr. Epstein to the U.S. Virgin 
Islands? 
A. Had been every week, every ten days, if we weren't 
elsewhere in the world, but it was a regular destination. 
Q. And why did you go to the island each time Mr. Epstein went 
to the Virgin Islands? 
A. I also flew the helicopter. So when Mr. Epstein would 
arrive at St. Thomas main airport, I would go get the 
helicopter and then pick him up and the passengers and fly them 
to Little St. James Island, as well as, you know, taking 
luggage and also picking up luggage at the island. And also a 
very large home theater was installed at that residence as 
well. 
Q. Did you install large home theaters in all of Mr. Epstein's 
residences? 
A. Yes, I did. 
Q. Other than helicopter, how else could you get to Little St. 
James? 
A. The other option would be boat. 
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Government Exhibit 346 for the witness, the Court, and the 
parties. 
Q. Mr. 
, do you recognize that? 
A. Yes. 
Q. What is it? 
A. That is an aerial view of Little St. James Island. 
Q. And does that fairly and accurately depict Little St. James 
Island? 
A. Yes, it does. 
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, the government offers this in 
evidence. 
MR. EVERDELL: No objection. 
THE COURT: Government 346 is admitted. 
You may publish. 
(Government's Exhibit 346 received in evidence) 
MS. COMEY: Thank you, your Honor. 
We can take that down. Thank you, Ms. Drescher. 
I'd like to go now to Government Exhibit 308 for the 
witness, the Court, and the parties please. 
Q. Mr. 
, do you recognize this? 
A. Yes, I do. 
Q. What is it? 
A. That is an aerial view of the main property on Little St. 
James Island. 
Q. Is this a fair and accurate depiction of a portion of 
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A. Yes, it is. 
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evidence. 
MR. EVERDELL: No objection. 
THE COURT: Government 308 is admitted. 
You may publish. 
(Government's Exhibit 308 received in evidence) 
MS. COMEY: Thank you, your Honor. 
Q. And while Ms. Drescher puts that up for the jury, 
Mr. 
, could you tell us what we see in this photograph 
please? 
A. That is the main house which appears to be -- and it's 
located on the north side of the island. But it's a photo of 
the main house structure on the island. 
MS. COMEY: I'd like now, please, to go to Government 
Exhibit 326 for the witness, the Court, and the parties. 
Q. Mr. 
, do you recognize this? 
A. Yes, I do. 
Q. What is it? 
A. That is also an aerial view of Little St. James Island's 
main property home site. 
Q. And is this a fair and accurate depiction of a portion of 
Jeffrey Epstein's private island? 
A. Yes, it is. 
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evidence. 
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MR. EVERDELL: No objection. 
THE COURT: GX-326 is admitted. You may publish. 
(Government's Exhibit 326 received in evidence) 
MS. COMEY: Thank you, your Honor. 
Q. And while Ms. Drescher puts this up for the jury, 
Mr. 
, would you please tell us what we see in this 
photograph. 
A. As far as describing the home or the property? 
Q. Yes. Could you tell us what we see in the top right-hand 
corner first and then tell us what we're seeing on the 
property. 
A. Oh, gotcha. 
The top right-hand corner was the boat dock, if you 
were to arrive by boat. So that was the entrance for guests to 
arrive by boat. And then if you continued down the highway 
there, you can't see the helipad, the helipad is still south of 
that structure. Once you were there, you could take -- you 
would walk up to the main house up on the top of the hill. 
Q. Thank you. 
MS. COMEY: We can take that down. 
And now, Ms. Drescher, can you please pull up 
Government Exhibit 703 for the witness, the Court, and the 
parties. 
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Q. Mr. 
, do you recognize this? 
A. Yes, I do. 
Q. What is it? 
A. That is a photo of Little St. James Island. 
Q. Is this a fair and accurate depiction of an aerial view of 
the entirety of Little St. James Island? 
A. Yes, it is. 
MS. COMEY: Your Honor, the government offers this in 
evidence. 
MR. EVERDELL: No objection. 
THE COURT: Government's 703 is admitted. 
You may publish. 
(Government's Exhibit 703 received in evidence) 
MS. COMEY: Thank you, your Honor. 
Q. While Ms. Drescher puts this up for the jury, Mr. 
I want to ask you, did Mr. Epstein own this entire island that 
we see here? 
A. To my knowledge, yes. 
Q. And could you walk us through in a little more detail a 
description of the island and the property on it. 
A. Okay. I guess I'll start at the top of the photo. There 
was a building there that was a library. It used to have a 
gold dome on it, but that was actually a library inside that 
building. And then we come down to the right side of the 
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photo which was -- which they call the flag -- or the flagpole 
pool, which was a tremendous-size pool which also had a cabana 
built. And that was another office that Mr. Epstein spent a 
lot of his time working on the phone and computers. 
And then we're coming down through the beach area. 
Right dead center of the island you'll see a little blue roof, 
that was the gym. And inside the gym had a tremendous audio 
system for working out. There was a large gym inside there. 
And then you come down further from -- further down -- or 
you're heading down back to the main house structure, to the 
left you see a wide open grass area, that was the helipad that 
if we -- if you arrived by helicopter. 
Coming further down from that, there are several 
buildings to the left, you see a blue one, a white one. That 
housed all of the construction equipment, tractors, dump trucks 
and such, support equipment for the island. And then we're 
going to come down further from that to the right. We'll come 
all the way down to the main house structure which also has a 
large swimming pool. 
The house was quite unique. It was pretty much a home 
that was exploded out, that each building was a room of a 
house; that guest bedrooms were their own bunaglows. So the 
kitchen was its own building, the living room was its own 
building, the master bedroom was its own building. So in order 
to walk from one to another, you actually walked outside. So 
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