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IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN 
TAPED INTERVIEW OF 
Sandy Rossi 
Notary Public, State of Florida 
Consor and Associates 
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3 BY DETECTIVE RECAREy: 
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date of birth is? 
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A 
(Thereupon, the following interview was had:) 
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the purpose of today's meeting is to 
7 discuss what -- as you know, I'm investigating a case 
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involving an individual you may know as Jeff or Jeffrey 
9 Epstein from Palm Beach. Based on my investigation I know 
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that you may have some information pertaining to this case. 
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Prior before you telling as to what happened, will you raise 
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your right hand for me? Do you solemnly swear to tell the 
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truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you 
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God? 
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A 
Yes. 
16 
Q 
Okay. So tell me from the beginning how did you 
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meet Mr. Epstein. 
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A 
My friend 
(phonetic) told me that she 
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was modeling for Jeffrey and said that she was paid money to 
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model there. 
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Q 
Uh-huh. 
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A 
So I went in there and we had dinner and then he 
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took me into a room and at first Tatum went in with me and 
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then she started rubbing his legs and he told me to do that, 
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for me to massage him, and I didn't know what to do so I 
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just did it. I was 15 at the time, you know, 16. I was 
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actually 16 at the time. And he continued to tell me what 
3 to do, saying things like take my clothes off and things 
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that were not right and I know that I should have told 
5 somebody but I didn't. And he said to me that if I told 
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anybody then bad things would happen and so I didn't 
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(inaudible) to tell. 
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told you that you were going to model? 
9 
A 
Uh-huh. 
10 
Q 
When you got -- she drove you there? 
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A 
No. We took a cab. 
12 
Q 
You took a cab. 
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A 
Yeah. 
14 
Q 
Okay. Do you remember what cab company? 
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A 
Yellow Cab. 
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Q 
It was Yellow Cab? 
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A 
Yeah. I know their number if you need that. 
18 
Q 
No, I've got Yellow Cab Company. 
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All right. When you got in, how were you 
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introduced to this individual? 
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A 
He came out into the main entrance of his house 
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and we were just talking. We were just introduced and he 
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was telling me about some stuff and then he proceeded to 
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take me upstairs. 
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Q 
Was this during the daytime or evening hours? 
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It was evening. It was around like four or five 
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maybe because I remember eating. 
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Q 
They made dinner for you or some kind of meal? 
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A 
Yeah. 
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Q 
What did he tell you? What kind of conversations 
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did you guys have? 
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A 
Just like I just got to know him at first and he 
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was telling about like what he does for a living and --
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Q 
What did he tell you he did for a living? 
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A 
I don't really remember. I can't, I can't tell 
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you now. 
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Q 
How long ago did you first go there? 
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A 
I don't -- I'm not sure. The very end of May, 
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early June. 
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Q 
Of last year? 
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A 
Yes. 
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Q 
Okay. Last year meaning 2005 or 2004? 
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A 
2004. 
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Q 
Four. 
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A 
(Inaudible). Yeah, it was. I think. I don't 
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remember. 
22 
Q 
Okay. They took you upstairs. So what kind --
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can you describe what you saw when you walked upstairs or 
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A 
Yeah. It was leading -- it was from his bedroom 
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leading into another room and then it was the massage table 
 
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there and that's when I knew that something was up because 
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that didn't sound right to me. And afterwards I told 
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and she's like I didn't know what to say. I don't know. I 
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think she thought that I was willing to go there and do 
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that. Like I don't know what she was thinking. I don't 
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know why she would bring me into that. Obviously she was 
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(inaudible) or something. I don't know if she needs help. 
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Maybe that's why she got me there because she didn't know 
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what to do and I really couldn't tell you why she got me 
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there but... 
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Q 
Okay. The very first time you went there you 
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started massaging his legs? 
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A 
Yes. He asked me to. 
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Q 
Okay. Were you naked or were you down to your --
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A 
No. I wasn't naked. And 
started doing it 
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and so I was like well, what's going on. She's like oh, 
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this is just a part of the routine. Okay. Well, do you 
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have to do it? You know? And Jeffrey said yes. 
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Q 
Okay. So you massaged his legs. So you were 
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completely clothed when you were doing this? 
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A 
Uh-huh. 
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Okay. What happened next? 
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A 
He told me to take some clothes off and I --
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Q 
Did you stay in undergarments or were you 
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completely naked? 
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No. I stayed in undergarments. 
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Bra and panties or --
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A 
Uh-huh. 
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Q 
Okay. I know this is hard. 
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A 
No. I didn't have a bra on, yeah. 
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Q 
Okay. No bra, just panties? 
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A 
Uh-huh. 
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Q 
Okay. I know this is hard fox you to talk about. 
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Okay? I just want you to know I've talked to a lot of other 
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girls and I am very aware as to what had happened in the 
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house. Okay? So I don't want you to feel bad or --
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A 
I don't think (inaudible). 
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Q 
Okay. What kind of panties were you wearing at 
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that time? Can you remember? 
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A 
Huh-huh. I don't remember. 
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Q 
Okay. 
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A 
Probably a, probably a thong. 
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Q 
Okay. What transpired next? 
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A 
Then he said okay, that's it for today, and I'll 
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see you again. He, he, he told me that if I didn't go back 
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then there would be problems because he would think that I 
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told on him and that, you know, I don't know. 
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Q 
Okay. Let me back you up. You're standing there 
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in your undergarments, in your panties. 
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A 
Right. 
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You're massaging his legs. 
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Uh-huh. 
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Q 
What else transpired from there? 
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A 
That's it. 
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Q 
That's it? You just massaged his legs? 
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A 
Oh. Then he -- when I undressed then he told me 
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to rub his nipples. 
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Rub his chest? 
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A 
Yeah. Rub his chest. 
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Q 
Was he doing anything? 
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A 
No. Not at first. Then he -- and I told him 
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don't touch me and he said why and I was like because I 
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don't like this and I just want to go home and then he 
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threatened me and I don't know, I just (inaudible) scared. 
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I know he's a very rich man and he could have somebody, I 
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don't know. 
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Q 
Did he try to touch you with his hand? 
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A 
He did touch me (inaudible). 
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Q 
He did touch you. Did he touch you in your 
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vaginal area? 
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A 
Uh-huh. 
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Q 
Okay. How did he touch you? Was it --
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A 
(Inaudible.) 
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Q 
Okay. Was this on the outside? Over the panties? 
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A 
Yes. 
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Under the panties. 
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(No audible response.) 
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Okay. Did he touch your breasts? 
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A 
(No audible response.) 
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Q 
Buttocks? 
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A 
But there was no, like (inaudible) his penis 
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didn't go in me. None of that happened. 
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Q 
Okay. Did he, did he use any toys on you? 
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A 
I don't remember. 
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Q 
You don't remember any massagers, vibrators? 
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A 
No, I don't remember. 
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Q 
Okay. Where was 
during all this? 
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A 
In another room. He sent her out. 
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Q 
He sent her out? 
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A 
I don't -- like I told her before she left to call 
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the cops and she didn't so I knew there was something going 
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on. (Inaudible) disgusting really. 
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Q 
I know this is hard. I know this is hard. 
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A 
And I feel so bad now after for those other girls. 
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Like I could have stopped (inaudible). 
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Q 
Would he masturbate during the time that he was 
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doing this? 
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A 
(No audible response.) 
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Q 
Is that a yes? 
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A 
Yes. 
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Did he have you touch him aside from rubbing his 
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chest? I mean 
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(No audible response.) 
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No? What prompted to stop the massage? 
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I don't know. 
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0 
I mean did he, did he climax? 
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Yeah. He was like leaning towards me and then he 
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climaxed and then that was it. 
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How did he -- did he have a towel on him? Was he 
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naked? 
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A 
He -- right before like (inaudible) massage he had 
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a shower in the room. Like there was a shower in the room. 
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Q 
Uh-huh. 
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A 
And he wrapped a towel around him so he came out 
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and he was laying on the table. 
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So was he naked or --
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A 
And then he put his hands under the towel. He 
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didn't expose it to me. 
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Okay. So you didn't see him climax. In other 
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words you just -- you're assuming based on how he finished. 
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A 
Uh-huh. 
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Q 
Okay. Was this the only time that you went there? 
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A 
No. 
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Q 
You had told 
to call the police as to what 
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had happened to you? 
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Yeah. 
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Q 
And what did she say? 
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A 
Afterwards he had one of the, one of the -- his 
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employees drive us home so we couldn't really talk about it 
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on the way home and he specifically dropped her off at her 
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house and me at my house. Like he wouldn't like let us go 
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to each other's house. And so I called her afterwards and I 
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said why did you even bring me there. I was crying. And 
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she said because you're my only hope. I don't have anything 
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else. I didn't know what else to do. I was just like okay, 
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then we won't go back. She said no because he has my number 
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and he said that he'll call the cops and get us in trouble 
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and that it's our fault why this is going on and --
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Did he know how old you were? 
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A 
I don't know. 
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Q 
Did you tell him? 
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A 
Oh, yeah, he did. Yeah, he did. 
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Q 
Did you tell him that you were in high school 
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or 
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Huh-huh. 
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Q 
Did you tell him which high school you went to? 
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A 
Huh-huh. At dinner --
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Do you remember the employee who drove you home? 
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He was foreign. 
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Was he --
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And from then on Ma 
would call me and tell me 
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to come in and I -- like there were plenty of times I would 
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think about not coming in but somehow they'd get the number 
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to where I am and call me and tell me to come in. So when 
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I'd pick up my phone they would call me -- if I was at my 
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friend's house they'd call me at my friend's house. I don't 
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know how they got the number. I don't know how they did 
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that but they did. 
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Okay. So 
, that's who? One of his 
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employees? 
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A 
I think so. (Inaudible) she sat at dinner• too. 
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Q 
She did? 
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A 
Yeah. 
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Okay. 
would call you and arrange --
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A 
Oh-huh. 
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Q 
Okay. How would you get there after that first 
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time? 
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A cab. 
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Q 
Each time you'd go you would go with a cab? 
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A 
Yeah. Either that or an employee would come and 
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get me. 
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Q 
Okay. 
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A 
He never made any threats or anything though. 
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How many times would you say you went to the 
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house? 
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Three, four. 
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Okay. 
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And same thing happened each time. 
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Same thing happened? You would go down to your 
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panties and provide him a massage? 
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Uh-huh. 
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(Inaudible) touch you? 
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A 
Yep. 
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Q 
Touch you where? 
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(Inaudible) mentioned earlier, my breasts, down my 
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body. 
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Q 
Did he ever use any -- in all the times that 
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you've gone, did he ever introduce any kind of vibrator or 
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sex toy or anything like that? 
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A 
No, I don't remember. 
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Did he ever go inside of you? 
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A 
Huh-huh. 
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Q 
Always stayed on the outside? 
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A 
Oh-huh. 
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Q 
Okay. if you had your panties on, how would he 
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rub your vagina area? 
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He would (inaudible.) 
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Q 
Over the panties or under the panties? 
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(Inaudible.) 
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Q 
How would he -- did he move the panties to one 
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side or would he remove the panties? 
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The first time would be over the panties. The 
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second time (inaudible). 
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Did you ever bring anyone to the house? 
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No. 
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No? 
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No. I had a girl ask me if she could go to the 
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house. She was willing to (inaudible). I said if you 
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really want to do it then you can come. 
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Q 
What was this girl's name? 
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A 
Do I have to answer that? 
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Q 
I'd like you to. 
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A 
And I don't know her last name. 
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Q 
Okay. 
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A 
(Inaudible.) 
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Q 
How much were you paid each time you went to the 
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house? 
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$200. 
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Q 
Each time? 
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A 
Uh-huh. 
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Q 
Were you ever told to bring friends? 
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A 
Uh-huh. 
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Q 
By whom? 
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A 
Jeffrey or 
both. 
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Both asked you to do that? 
 
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Uh-huh. 
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Aside from what was her name? 
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Aside 
did you ever bring 
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anybody? 
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Bring anybody? No. No. 
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Okay. Did 
ever go? 
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A 
Yeah. 
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Q 
Did you make any money for bringing 
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A 
Yeah. 
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Q 
How much did you make for bringing 
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$200. 
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Q 
8200? 
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A 
Yeah. 
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Q 
Each time 
went, did you -- were you paid 
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any additional money? 
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A 
No. I didn't -- she didn't go back. 
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Q 
She didn't go back? She just went that one time? 
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A 
Uh-huh. Actually I -- after that I lost like 
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communications with her. I stopped talking to her. Never 
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saw her after that. 
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0 
Okay. You've only been to the house three or four 
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times? 
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A 
Yes. 
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Q 
Were you given any gifts? 
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Huh-huh. 
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Q 
Ipods? Aside from the money, any gifts or 
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anything like that? 
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A 
He offered to take me to a ballet but... 
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Q 
Locally? 
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A 
Yeah. 
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Q 
Did you ever go on any trips with him I mean 
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anywhere? 
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No. Would you? I said would you? 
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want to go back? 
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happened but... 
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Did he ever hurt you? 
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No. Why did you keep going back if you didn't 
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Because I was scared. I didn't know what to do. 
I was afraid that he was going to harm my family or --
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Did he say he would harm your family? 
A 
No. But he made threats to start something --
said that bad things would happen if I told anybody. 
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Like what things? 
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He never said. 
Q 
Would he say this every time you went? 
A 
Yeah. He would ask me if I told anybody. And 
then he would ask me if I'm lying and that he knows I'm 
lying. He never like shouted at me or anything. That never 
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No. Well, yeah. Definitely. He hurt my whole 
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esteem and my grades, my heart. Everything. Nothing 
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physically but mentally, yes. 
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Were you confined to the -- each time you went was 
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it during the daytime or the evening hours? 
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A 
I think I went there, I don't know, probably 
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midafternoon early evening. 
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Q 
Like I said, I know this is hard on you, okay, but 
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I -- would you ever call EMI 
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A 
No. 
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Q 
Has 
tried to reach you? 
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A 
A lot. She would call my phone like 30 times a 
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day like continuously. 
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Q 
When was the last time she tried to reach you? 
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A 
It continued for a while even after I like 
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completely stopped going. Like I got away from him like he 
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said I could get out. It's fine now. I didn't have to come 
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back if I didn't want to and if I were to ever tell somebody 
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or call the police then he would -- then bad things would 
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happen. 
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Q 
When was the last time you were there? 
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A 
(Inaudible.) I tried to block it out of my memory 
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as best as I could. 
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Q 
Would you say within the last six months? 
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A 
No. It's probably more than a year ago. 
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Q 
More than a year ago? You haven't been back to 
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the house in more than a year ago? 
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Huh-huh. 
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Q 
Have you talked to 
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No. I saw her on my birthday. We were going to 
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watch fireworks together and (inaudible) haven't talked to 
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her since. (Inaudible) brought up. 
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Q 
What school were you going to during that time? 
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A 
I believe it was during the summer. 
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Q 
During the summer? 
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A 
Yeah. 
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Q 
Were you attending 
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during that time? 
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A 
Huh-huh. 
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Q 
No? 
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A 
I went to (inaudible) and 
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Q 
Okay. 
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A 
Because (inaudible.) 
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Q 
And you were finishing up here? 
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A 
Yeah. 
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Q 
Just to ask you just a few questions directly. 
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Okay? 
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A 
Uh-huh. 
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Q 
Was there ever any intercourse? 
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A 
Uh-huh. 
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Q 
Oral? 
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Yes, he had me get on top of him and like move 
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around like intercourse but it wasn't actual, he wasn't 
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actually putting himself inside me. 
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Q 
Okay. Were you with panties on or without panties 
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on? 
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A 
With. 
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Q 
With panties on. Was there ever any oral sex? 
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A 
No. 
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Q 
No? Each time you went, did he massage your 
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vagina area? 
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A 
Yes. 
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Q 
Your breasts? 
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A 
Yes. 
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Q 
Your buttocks? 
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A 
Yes. 
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Q 
Did he ever penetrate your buttocks? 
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A 
No. He tried. He tried. He asked me if I wanted 
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him to and I said no (inaudible). 
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Q 
Your buttocks area or your --
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A 
No, my vagina. 
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Q 
Your vagina area? And by he was going to enter it 
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with his fingers? 
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A 
Yes. 
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Q 
Okay. Did he ever bring out a massager or --
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A 
I don't remember. 
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Q 
Okay. Except for the three or four times, you 
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never went back with anyone else? 
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A 
Huh-huh. Just 
(Inaudible.) 
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Q 
Did you have a cell phone back then? 
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A 
No. 
6 
Q 
No? 
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A 
He would call just my dad's house. 
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Q 
He would call your dad's house. 
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A 
(Inaudible). They wouldn't always call 
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(inaudible) but (inaudible) and then a couple times they'd 
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call from (inaudible). 
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Q 
Do you still have the numbers on your phone? 
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A 
(Inaudible.) 
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Q 
Did your cell phone number begin with a 202 number 
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or a 2? 
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A 
No. 
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Q 
No? 
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A 
574. 
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Q 
A 574 number? 
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Okay. Is there anything else that you'd like to 
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add to this statement that I have not asked you and you have 
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knowledge of? 
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A 
(inaudible). 
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Q 
Okay. 
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A 
(Inaudible.) 
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Do you have her number? 
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No. 
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Q 
No? 
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I never talk to her. (Inaudible.) 
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conclude the tape. The time is 1:15. 
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