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FBI VOL00009
EFTA00804571
125 pages
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21 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. LINK: -- which is what this Court said yesterday we would focus on. THE COURT: All I'm prepared to do today are these yellow or blue amendments to the exhibit list. MR. LINK: Yes, sir. THE COURT: Is that what you're talking about? MR. LINK: Yes, sir. That's what you said yesterday, so I just wanted to make sure we were on the same page, because that's the motion -- THE COURT: That's what I'm doing today until the noon hour. MR. LINK: Great. Thank you, Your Honor. MR. SCAROLA: And there is a threshold Binger issue, which my presentation addresses that I provided to opposing counsel but have not yet given to Your Honor. I can give it to Your Honor now, if you'd like. THE COURT: Sure. Thank you. MR. SCAROLA: Thank you, sir. THE COURT: All right. MR. LINK: All right, are you ready, sir? THE COURT: Yes, I am. Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00804591
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22 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. LINK: Okay. Your Honor, I believe there are two reasons why our motion should be granted. One, I believe that our supplemental exhibit list is in compliance with this Court's order, and the order that I'm talking about, Your Honor -- just left me. Hang on. It was over here. There we go. The order we're talking about is the July 20th, 2017 order. That's the order that set this case in December of last year, and Your Honor moved that trial to March based on our motion for a continuance when my law firm came in and based on -- Your Honor's actual ruling was that there were so many, essentially, pretrial motions that required days to get through that would either shorten or lengthen the trial. And -- Your Honor, may I approach? THE COURT: Sure. MR. LINK: This is a copy of the order, and I believe that what we have done is in compliance with this Court's order. The second basis -- and we're going to walk through the order. The second basis is that, as Mr. Scarola said, using a Binger Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00804592
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23 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 analysis, if we were not in compliance with the Court's order, these supplemental exhibits should be allowed because there is, in fact, no prejudice to the plaintiff in this case in letting them come in. THE COURT: The actual line of the uniform order is "use of the exhibit or witness may be allowed by the Court for good cause shown or to prevent manifest injustice." And that is as it relates to any exhibits provided after the pretrial conference or the conference wherein the parties are to prepare a pretrial stipulation. MR. LINK: Yes, sir. THE COURT: And, essentially, after the -- the witness lists have been, and exhibit lists have already been disclosed. MR. LINK: That is correct, Your Honor. Except that your order in July 2017 allows the parties to amend certain provisions of it without the Court's permission. One of those provisions, which is in -- is on page 3 under paragraph G, is that the pretrial stipulation allows the parties to supplement. And here, what happened is we -- I'd like Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00804593
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24 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 to walk the Court through the timeline to see. You entered the order, the parties were complying with it. Okay? You've got exhibit lists, you've got witness lists coming in, and Mr. Scarola files a unilateral pretrial stip, and that unilateral pretrial stip is very important because it shows the difference, Your Honor, in what Mr. Scarola -- May I approach and hand the Court -- THE COURT: Sure. MR. LINK: What Mr. Scarola intended was to follow this Court's order without exception, which would have meant that there could be no additional exhibits. So Mr. Scarola's unilateral pretrial stipulation contains no language that allows the parties to supplement their exhibit list. The pretrial stipulation that Mr. Scarola and I negotiated -- May I approach again, Your Honor? THE COURT: Thank you. MR. LINK: -- you will see is very different. It changes that provision dramatically. And if Your Honor will turn in to the Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00804594
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25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 pretrial stip, which is at the beginning on page 12. THE COURT: Okay. MR. LINK: There's a material change to the unilateral pretrial stipulation. The parties agree -- THE COURT: Hold on just a moment. MR. LINK: Yes, sir. THE COURT: It's on exhibit lists, paragraph D? MR. LINK: Yes, sir. THE COURT: All right. MR. LINK: So if you compare the language that we negotiated verse the language in the unilateral, you will see that the parties do not waive their right to amend their exhibit list. That's a substantial negotiated change between counsel for the parties. Your Honor, I know we talked about this a few months ago, and you brought up Chief Judge Melanie May's opinion, and there's also, at the time, Chief Judge Cory Ciklin's opinion, where they both say that where the parties agree in a pretrial stipulation, that should be enforced. It is the most important tool for getting Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00804595
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26 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 ready for trial. You can waive issues, you set the facts to be determined or not determined, and you can, as your court order permitted back in July, agree to deviate from the exhibit provisions of the standard pretrial order. And we did. And, in fact, we both did. Mr. Edwards, after the date passed for exhibit lists, filed amended exhibit lists. And we didn't object, because that's what we agreed to. We filed amended exhibit lists. They filed a second amended exhibit list. So that the parties, consistent with their negotiated agreement in the pretrial stip, abided by it, both of us, Your Honor, and filed amended exhibit disclosure and witness lists pursuant to the pretrial stipulation. Second, if you take a look in Tab A of the pretrial stipulation, you'll see there's Bradley Edwards' witness list, I'm sorry, exhibit list. If you look at page 15, you will see that Mr. Scarola included ten catchalls. The next exhibit list is mine, that has, I think, nine catchalls. So both sides, in conjunction with our stipulated pretrial, amended exhibit lists, and we both included Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00804596
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2 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 catchalls. And I know that one of Mr. Scarola's biggest complaints about our exhibit list was that, Oh, my goodness, Mr. Link had catchalls. We both did, Your Honor. Whether that makes it right, I'm not saying. But I'm telling you it's what the parties did consistent with what we negotiated. If you look at, Your Honor, Tab B, which is our exhibit list with our nine catchalls, you'll see on page 22 another sentence incorporated in our exhibit list that says, "Plaintiff/Counter-Defendant reserves his right to supplement this exhibit list." Again, consistent with what we negotiated in the pretrial stipulation. I don't believe that Your Honor has to go to the Binger analysis where the parties, by agreement, agree that you can supplement the exhibit list. There is THE COURT: Isn't this a little different than what you were telling me yesterday I should do? I have to employ the Binger analysis? MR. LINK: You have to employ the Binger Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00804597
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 analysis, Your Honor, I believe for the 47 exhibits that we're going to get to at some point. Because, those exhibits, once you go through the in camera inspection, I think were -- they could fall within this exhibit list. And maybe you don't have to do Binger, it's possible. But I've always thought of those as different exhibits, frankly. The exhibits that we're talking about now, if the Court finds that our pretrial stipulation does not govern our ability to amend exhibit lists, and we are then dealing with the issue of, okay, if we didn't comply with the Court's order, can we get them in anyway, that's a very simple Binger analysis, that, as this Court well knows, just requires you, mandates that you do the prejudice analysis. I'm suggesting as the first basis, and I will now get to the second basis, that you need not conduct Binger based on the parties' agreement. Now, in talking about Binger -- in talking about Binger, Your Honor, there are three categories of documents that are listed on our Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00804598
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29 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 exhibit list that this Court struck before the March hearing. And Your Honor's ruling was, essentially, we're starting trial on a Monday, there were -- I can tell you the numbers, because we reduced it greatly. There were 360 different items, 700 different items, we have reduced that greatly on our exhibit list. You've seen the ones, we've cut them out and gone right to the core. So in looking at the Binger analysis, there are three categories. Category number one are emails that are from Brad Edwards and his team at the Rothstein firm, which they voluntarily produced, which are not the 47 on the privileged log, and which they can have no prejudice to because they were written or received by Mr. Edwards. There is no need to redepose Mr. Edwards by Mr. Scarola, because he never did depose him. I deposed him. He has his clients, he can talk to his client about the emails. There is simply nothing that needs to be done as it relates to those emails. So, for example, if Your Honor -- with Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00804599
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30 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Your Honor's permission we have a book with all of these exhibits, and I'd just like to show you a few examples -- THE COURT: Okay. MR. LINK: -- if I might. May I approach, Judge? THE COURT: Yes. MR. LINK: Thank you, sir. I know I'm loading you with paper, but... THE COURT: I really don't know what you think I'm going to be able to do with these thousands of documents that you're handing me now, but I'll do the best I can. MR. LINK: Yes, sir. I'm going to take you to specific ones, so we can talk about them. THE COURT: I'm just looking for something here. MR. LINK: Is this okay to sit right here? Can you reach it, Judge? THE COURT: Yes, thank you. Okay. Go ahead. MS. ROCKENBACH: May I approach, Your Honor, just to -- MR. LINK: Tab 211. Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00804600
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31 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 THE COURT: Okay. Thank you. MR. LINK: So this is an example of one category of the exhibits that were listed. And this is an email -- THE COURT: What number is this? MR. LINK: Tab 211. THE COURT: I have that, but I'm talking about what numbered exhibit are we talking about corresponds -- MR. LINK: That's it, 211. THE COURT: 211? MR. LINK: Yes, sir. THE COURT: Thank you. I'm sorry. I didn't realize that they correlated. All right, thank you. MR. LINK: Yes, sir. This is an email, and if you will start at the bottom, it's an email from Scott Rothstein to all staff telling them that he's available to come talk to. And you will see at the top there's an email from Mr. Edwards to Russell Adler where he says, "Mr. Edwards, do you want me to go talk to him," meaning Rothstein, "about our Epstein information today, or do you want to also be involved and set up some other time?" So one Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00804601
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32 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 of the issues in this case is Mr. Rothstein's involvement in the Epstein cases, that's one. Two, under -- see, if I do this right, for my appellate lawyer -- 90.608, Mr. Edwards testified in his deposition, Your Honor, that he spoke to Mr. Rothstein, he believed, on two brief occasions, one in a restaurant in passing where Mr. Rothstein said "Go get them," and then he really had no -- Mr. Rothstein had no involvement in the case, and Mr. Edwards had no involvement with Mr. Rothstein. This exhibit, among others, that we'll get to when we get to the 47, go to credibility of whether that testimony is true and what involvement Mr. Rothstein had. The second category -- sorry, Your Honor -- let Your Honor finish reading. I was going a little quick. THE COURT: No, that's fine. MR. LINK: The second category of exhibits, if you turn to page 27 of the yellow and blue. These are in yellow, Your Honor. THE COURT: Okay. I'm with you. MR. LINK: This category has to do with public records of Mr. Edwards' three clients. Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00804602
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 One of the issues now in this case, and I want to make sure the Court understands the timing, in November, the end of November, you might remember, we had two days of hearing where this Court made rulings that significantly changed how both sides were going to try the case. And one of the rulings that this Court made was that Mr. Edwards would be able to get on the stand and talk about his three clients and how strong their cases were. The public information that we found, we started gathering after this hearing. We did not look for it before. After this Court's ruling, we did public record searches and found information about the three clients of Mr. Edwards, so that we would be prepared to cross-examine him when he gets on the stand and if he, in fact, says, MR. SCAROLA: Excuse me. May I request Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00804603
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34 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 that we try to deal with these issues one at a time? Just looking at the volume of materials, it's going to be very difficult for me, and I suggest probably for the Court, as well, to keep track of each of the arguments, and it would be better if we address them in the order in which they're made. THE COURT: All right. Well, let me -- go ahead and finish this. There's only one email thus far that's been identified, I presume to be at issue here today in that chain, but... MR. LINK: Yes. I was providing that simply -- THE COURT: You wanted to move on to this because -- MR. LINK: I want to cover the broad topics. I assume at some point, Your Honor, you may want to go through this book and look at it. I didn't think in an hour and a half we could cover every exhibit, so I want to give you my broad argument and some examples as part of my presentation. THE COURT: All right. MR. LINK: Okay? So if you turn to Tab 56 in the big -- I'm sorry, in the big binder of Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00804604
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 exhibits -- MR. VITALE: Which tab was that? MR. LINK: 56. THE COURT: All right. Yes, sir. MR. LINK: You'll see this is an FBI investigation or recording of a statement from one of Mr. Edwards' clients. And one of the things that Mr. Edwards, I believe, is going to say -- I mean, honestly, Judge, I don't know what I'll use until he gets on the stand, for purposes of cross-examination. One of the things he said is that Mr. Epstein is responsible for -- these are strong cases because he's responsible for all their anxiety and troubles. And if you look at the third paragraph, she tells the FBI in life was not going well during the time she was providing Epstein with massages. She was buying and taking drugs: Xanax, Lorcets, Percocets. She stayed on pills, explained she wanted to feel numb, Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00804605
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 There are multiple criminal records for all three of Mr. Edwards' clients. There are multiple criminal records, some of them have done time, some have been in drug rehab. One is an arrest record for one of Mr. Edwards' clients where All of these exhibits, Your Honor, go to the strength that Mr. Edwards wants to get on the stand and tell the jury, that that's why there was not probable cause. These three clients of his cases were strong. You will remember the sentence in the complaint that they focused on, and we had a long discussion about this, because our view is that you are not allowed in a malicious prosecution action to cherry-pick a sentence. Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00804606
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 You have to look at the time the complaint was filed, what was known at that time. The litigation privilege covers every sentence in the complaint, otherwise, in every case we would be flyspecking allegations to find the one we couldn't prove to bring a malicious prosecution action. But the ruling this Court made, based on this sentence that Mr. Scarola showed you, which was that the Rothstein and litigation team should have known that their three filed cases were weak and had minimal value. Your Honor ruled, at the end of November, that Mr. Edwards could get on the stand and explain that the cases were not weak, they were strong. So this information that we have found and have asked to add to the exhibit list goes directly to the issue they injected into this litigation, and this Court said they could testify to, and because it's in the public records under Binger, it can't cause prejudice. THE COURT: Well, how much is in the public record? MR. LINK: A lot. THE COURT: For example, this FBI Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00804607
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38 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 investigation, would -- I don't know if it's in the public record because of the redactions here, and... MR. LINK: The arrest record -- THE COURT: For example -- MR. LINK: Yeah, the arrest records that I'm talking about, I'll show you are in the public record. And we can look at those. If you turn to tab, for example, 446 in the big book... THE COURT: Okay. MR. LINK: And you look, flip through a few pages, a few of those exhibits. MR. SCAROLA: I'm sorry, which tab, Counsel? MR. LINK: 446. MR. SCAROLA: Thank you. MR. LINK: And you look at the next few exhibits. THE COURT: These are photographs? MR. LINK: Yes, sir. The photographs, they're on the Internet, of two of Mr. Edwards' clients. THE COURT: Okay. The photographs of these young women in bikinis, T-shirts -- Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00804608
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39 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. LINK: Shirtless. THE COURT: Well, shirtless, but with -- MR. LINK: With coverup, yes, sir. THE COURT: -- something covering up their private areas. Okay. MR. LINK: If you turn to Tab 462, you'll find the public arrest record that I was describing of one of Mr. Edwards' clients THE COURT: I presume this is when this person was an adult. MR. LINK: Well, this was in 1988, this one, in particular. There are arrest records in here, and incident reports, from when some of THE COURT: Okay. Well, let's -- MR. LINK: So this is the one -- THE COURT: Let's not skip around. And I understand that you're trying your best to use the time in an efficient manner, but as I said, I don't know who this -- well, I guess I do Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00804609
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40 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 know, this is it's given as the last MR. LINK: This is for the way we refer to it. But you'll see her names as out in the public record. THE COURT: All right. And it's is the date of birth, the arrest -- MR. LINK: THE COURT: Okay. The date of birth is ■ and I thought I heard it was in is when -- MR. LINK: I think your math is right. MR. LINK: I believe your math is right. THE COURT: Okay. MR. LINK: And this is the paragraph I wanted to show the Court that I was describing Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00804610