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FBI VOL00009
EFTA00800508
343 pages
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141 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A No, it wasn't that long. It was within the first -- at least six, eight months of the lawsuit beginning. Q So then how did you create your time for the first six to eight months? A It could have been a month, then. You know, it could have been six months. Q I understand. A That's what I said. But then you said, How did you create it for the first six to eight months? I mean, there was a period of time that I had to go back and look at the documents that had been filed, what part -- what role I played in drafting those documents, those types of things that you would always do to go back and figure out how much time that you spent on anything. Q Well, if you're taking contemporaneous time records -- you're making contemporaneous time records, you don't have to do that. A And there came a point in time where I was keeping contemporaneous time records. Q You remember that point where you asked me to let you finish? A Yeah. Q Okay. Same deal, all right. Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800648
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142 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A Got it. Q So if you were keeping contemporaneous time records, you wouldn't have to go back and recreate your time, because it would be there day-to-day. A Agreed. Q So if you started you said, six to eight months. Let's say between one month and eight months -- the way you went back to recreate your time is to look at everything you did day-to-day and wrote down time for that, I take it. Is that right? A If you could just show me my time records, I will tell you exactly what I did to -- and I will probably be able to tell you when I started keeping contemporaneous time records Q I'm asking if you remember. A -- because it would be on a more regular basis. Q I'm asking you if you remember how you recreated the time, what you did? A Yeah. Sure. I would look at a docket. Pull up the pleading that had been filed, and say, Okay, I did -- I drafted this pleading. I know what work went into drafting that pleading. Probably took me two hours, I would say it's a .5. I will underestimate Q So you reduced your time? Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800649
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143 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A I would not exaggerate my time. Q I didn't say that. I asked if you reduced it. You said I spent two hours and I put down a .5. A I would make sure it was conservative, yeah. Q So when I look at your timeline here, you actually spent more time than you would have billed for? A I have spent so much more time on dealing with Jeffrey Epstein than I have put on any time record, yes. Q And in 2009, did you have any clients that paid you on an hourly-rate basis? A I don't remember. Q In 2010 did you have clients that paid you on an hourly-rate basis? A I just don't remember. Q Have you ever had a client pay you on an hourly-rate basis? A Yes. Q When was that? A I have clients right now that pay me on an hourly basis. Q When is the first one that you can remember that paid you on an hourly-rate basis? A Oh, God. I don't know. 2007. Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800650
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144 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q And how much did they pay an hour? A I don't remember that. Q Do you remember how much you billed when you were at Kubicki Draper -- hourly rate? A I don't. Q What hourly rate -- do you have clients that pay you hourly rate now? A Yes. Q What rate do they pay you? A Varying, but up to 500 an hour. Q What's the lowest amount you are being paid? A I believe 350. Q How long ago did the client that is paying you 550 (sic) an hour retain you? A I said 500. And if I didn't say 500, then I mean -- MR. SCAROLA: You did say 500 -- BY MR. LINK: Q Maybe I misheard it. MR. SCAROLA: -- and it was misstated as 550, I'm sure inadvertently. THE WITNESS: What was your question then? How long ago? Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800651
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145 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 BY MR. LINK: Q Yeah. How long ago did this client hire you and agreed to the $500 an hour? A Within the last year. MR. LINK: Let's go ahead -- are they going to bring the food here? BY MR. LINK: Q While we take our break, I will mark these and show them to you. We will do them as a composite exhibit. These are the November news articles we talked about. A Okay. (Plaintiff's Composite Exhibit Number 5 was marked for identification.) THE VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 1:06 p.m. We are going off the record. (A recess was had.) Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800652
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146 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE FIFTEENTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT, IN AND FOR PALM BEACH COUNTY, FLORIDA Case No. 502009CA040800XXXXMB JEFFREY EPSTEIN, Plaintiff, vs. SCOTT ROTHSTEIN, individually; BRADLEY EDWARDS, individually, Defendants/Counter-Plaintiffs. VOLUME II VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF BRADLEY EDWARDS Taken on Behalf of Plaintiff Friday, November 10th, 2017 10:02 a.m. - 6:16 p.m. 2139 Palm Beach Lakes Boulevard West Palm Beach, Florida 33409 Examination of the witness taken before Sonja D. Hall Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. 1665 Palm Beach Lakes Boulevard, Suite 1001 West Palm Beach, FL 33401 Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800653
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147 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 1:45 a.m. We are back on the record. BY MR. LINK: Q Mr. Edwards, take a look at Exhibit 6, which is the Razorback complaint. We were talking about it 50 minutes ago, before we broke. And I would like you to turn to page nine in the complaint, paragraph 25. A Okay. (Plaintiff's Exhibit Number 6 was marked for identification.) BY MR. LINK: Q During the six months that you worked at Mr. Rothstein's firm, were you aware that he owned an 87-foot yacht? A I knew he had a boat. I knew he had a yacht, but I didn't know it was 87 feet. I had been to his house one time. Q I'm going to get to his house. Had you been on his yacht? A No. Q Had you seen it? A It was in the backyard of his house the time I went over. Q So you saw the 87 -- you didn't know it was Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800654
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148 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 87 feet. However many feet the yacht was, you saw it. A I saw a boat back there, yeah. I mean, there was a canopy that was kind of blocking what I could see and what I couldn't, but yeah. Q And which house was it that you went to? A I only knew of one house, so I don't know. It was in Fort Lauderdale. Q It was in Fort Lauderdale. You see here it says he owned 16 different real estate properties, paragraph 25? A Yes. Q The house you went to was in Fort Lauderdale? A Yes. Q Did you go there during the time that you were employed by Mr. Rothstein? A Yes. Q What was the purpose of going to his house? Was there a function? A Yeah, it was a function. Q For employees, or was it a fundraiser? A No, it was a fundraiser of some sort. Q Do you remember for whose benefit the fundraiser was? Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800655
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149 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A He had his hands in so many things. Hospitals and -- you know, heart associations and whatever it was. But I don't remember which one it was. He had things at his house all the time. This is the only one I went to, but I don't remember what it was. Q Big house? A Oh, yeah, it was a big house. Q You see here it mentions 25 cars. Were you aware he had multiple cars? A I think I knew he had two. Q Which ones? A I don't remember. The one I can picture was either a Bentley -- I think it was a Bentley. Q Were you aware that he owned interest in some of the restaurants in town? A I knew he owned Bova. Q What was Bova? A It was the restaurant downstairs of the law firm. Q I know you had mentioned before that there was security -- somewhere I read that there was security in Mr. Rothstein in the offices? A There was. Q Everywhere? I never went to his offices, Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800656
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150 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 so I don't know. A So there were uniformed, armed police officers on every floor. Actual, police officers. BSO, Fort Lauderdale police officers all the time, every single floor, all day, every day from the day that I first got there until the last day. Q Did you think that was odd? A Well, I thought it was different, for sure, because you don't see police officers walking around here. But it was actual police. It wasn't, like, the mob dressed as police. It was police. Q I understand. A If anything, it was -- it's crazy -- has more security. I did ask somebody about it one time and they said that a lawyer had been murdered, before I got there, that was a partner at that firm, and that Rothstein's feeling was that he doesn't want that to ever happen again. So if he has the money for additional security, why not hire Fort Lauderdale police and secure everybody, which was the response I got. Q Had you ever been in an office before or since that had armed police security guards? A Not like that. Maybe I have been to a bank and there's been one police officer there, but Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800657
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151 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q I am talking a law firm. Any other law firms? A No. Q And the bank has usually one armed police officer. A Right. Q Bank where they keep money and stuff like that? A I go to the same kind of banks you do, so yes. MR. SCAROLA: You walked right past our security guard when you came in today. MR. LINK: And I was intimidated. I'm sure I saw him -- him, her. Just one? MR. SCAROLA: Just one. At the front door. MR. LINK: I saw the lions. But that's not the security guard. THE WITNESS: They transform. BY MR. LINK: Q The security -- in addition -- how many armed guards on each floor? Two? Multiple? A Multiple. Q Other than multiple armed guards on each floor -- Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800658
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152 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A Police officers. Q Police officers. A Right. Q On-duty police officers. A Appeared to be, yes. Uniformed. Q Uniformed -- okay, got it. Multiple on-duty, uniformed police officers in the building. There was also electronic security and cameras and stuff like that? A I think there was signage that said that there was cameras. Whether there was actually cameras, I just can't remember anymore, but I think so. Q Everywhere? A I just don't remember anymore. I don't know. But if you could imagine what looks like the most secure place, that is what the law firm looked like. I say that -- I remember the signage -- because I remember there being a sign that said there's video or audio surveillance on one of the doors -- one of the main doors to the building. And there might have actually been or there might have been fake cameras or something. I don't know. Q But as far as you could tell, and the sign -- A I believe there was surveillance everywhere. Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800659
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153 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q So you worked at a law office that had surveillance everywhere and armed uniformed police guards on every floor? A The perception of surveillance everywhere, and yes, police officers on every floor. Q Did you ever go into Mr. Rothstein's -- as I understand it, he had a personal office on his own floor, and more secure than any banks that you and I go into. A Yes. There were multiple levels of security to ever get into his office. Q Did you ever go into his office? A I did. I had a back surgery sometime that summer in 2009. And because I needed time off for the back surgery, I went in there that time. Q To ask -- A To tell him, look, I need a couple weeks off because I'm having back surgery. That's the time I remember talking to him. Q He said okay? A Yeah. Q So you said multiple levels. How would I get to him? What did you have to go through? A I remembered it better then than I do now. Let me think about this. He had somebody sitting Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800660
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154 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 outside of doors, kind of like would be normal -- probably like your offices, there's a secretary or paralegal or somebody there. That person would have -- if you didn't have an appointment with that person, whoever that person was, you could not get past that level. Q So that's the first level, the scheduling person? A Yeah. And that's kind of, like, normal. Like most -- then there was a door. I think it had -- I think you needed a key or -- like a fob to get into. That just got you into a hallway. It didn't really lead you anywhere. If you only got past that first level, you are just stuck for life. Q Let me make sure I've got this. I get past the typical reception-type person. I then, with a fob, get into the hallway. A Hallway. Q Then what happens? A There's another double set of doors. Looks like that, but just bigger doors. Looks like the doors that you come in through here. Q So that the jury will understand, you are pointing to typical wood doors -- double doors going into a conference room. Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800661
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155 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A And behind that would be his office. Q And what was in front of the doors? How did you get to those doors? Do you remember? A I think you could just walk. Q But from the hallway -- you're in the hallway A Yeah, I mean -- you know, it's kind of like you're in a corridor that's, from recollection, 12 feet by 15 feet. And if you walked straightforward 15 feet and his doors were unlocked, you could open the doors and you could walk in. Q And you could walk in? A Yes. Q And there he was? How big was his office? A As big as this room or -- yeah, as big as this room. Q So we're sitting in Mr. Scarola's library conference room. I don't know the dimensions of it, but maybe 30 by 30ish. Close? MR. SCAROLA: Thirty by 20. THE WITNESS: Thirty by 20. BY MR. LINK: Q At least that size? A From my recollection, that's pretty accurate. Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800662
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156 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 I mean, it was big. Q Biggest law office you have been in for an individual lawyer? A I don't know. Top of my head you know. I think so. As big any I have been in. Q Bigger than the office you had? A Oh, yeah. Cubbyhole. Q Bigger than Mr. Scarola's office? A Mr. Scarola has a very nice office, too, but -- Q It's not that big. I have been in it, too. A Right. Q And I remember reading somewhere about there's a private elevator or some special elevator. A I didn't know that until after the news article and something came out. I never saw the private elevator. Q But you know what I'm talking about? A I heard about it. I think that afterwards there was something on the news where Kendall Coffey was talking about there being a private elevator, and that's where I learned it. Q Turn to page 12, if you would, please. So I apologize, but I don't think that I mentioned that we are looking at Exhibit Number 6, Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800663
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157 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 which is the Razorback Funding versus Rothstein lawsuit filed November 20th, 2009. A Now I am on page 12. Q Now you are page 12, yes, sir. We are looking -- this is November 20th -- so the Razorback -- putting this in context for the jury, the Razorback Funding lawsuit against Rothstein was filed November 20th, 2009. Do you see that? box? A Where do you see -- Q Look at the very first page. You see the A Yeah. Okay. Q November 20th, 2009? A Yes. Q And the lawsuit that Mr. Epstein filed against Mr. Rothstein and you was filed December 7th, 2009. A Taking your word for it. Q I will show you my copy. We are going to mark it. But you see in the middle, December 7? A Yeah, says December 7. That's when it's stamped into the clerk. Q So before Mr. Epstein's lawsuit, first came the Razorback lawsuit against Mr. Rothstein Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800664
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158 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 chronologically? A Correct. Q If you turn -- you're on page 12, paragraph 40. Do you see that in the Razorback lawsuit, paragraph 40, page 12, it talks about the Ponzi scheme and how one of the settlements that was being offered to potential investors related to Jane Doe versus Jeffrey Epstein pending in the Southern District of Florida? Do you see that? MR. SCAROLA: Excuse me. THE WITNESS: I read the paragraph. That's not that it says, though. BY MR. LINK: Q What does it say? A Well, it says, "In incertain instances, the purported settlements" -- talking about the Rothstein's fraudulent settlements -- "were based on actual cases being handled by RRA. For example, one of the settlements involved herein was based upon facts surrounding Jeffrey Epstein, the infamous billionaire financier. In fact, RRA did have inside information due to its representation of one of Epstein's alleged victims in a civil case styled Jane Doe versus Jeffrey Epstein pending in the Southern District of Florida." Q Keep reading up to the next -- you didn't Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800665
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159 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 finish the paragraph where it says -- A I was still reading, though. Q Okay. A "Representatives of D3 were offered, quote, the opportunity, end quote, to invest in a pre-suit $30 million court settlement against Epstein arising from the same set of operative facts as the Jane Doe case, but involving a different underaged female plaintiff." Q Keep going, please. A Keep going? Q Yeah. Where it starts with, "To augment." A There's an attachment, too. But, "To augment his concocted story, Rothstein invited D3 to his office to view the 13 banker's boxes of actual case files in Jane Doe in order to demonstrate that the claims against Epstein were legitimate and that the evidence against Epstein was real." Keep going? Q No. I just -- the statement that I made -- that I thought you disagreed with -- was that the actual Jane Doe lawsuit that you were the lead lawyer for was used by Rothstein to try and induce folks to make an investment in his Ponzi. Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800666
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160 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A I guess where we are having a disagreement is the word used. To me that's an implying that Rothstein is selling something related to the legitimate cases. It's pretty obvious or clear from this that what Rothstein was doing was using the fact that real legitimate cases against Epstein were actually being litigated in his law firm to, as this says, concoct a story about some other situation, and ask investors to buy into some made up fictitious story. Q I think we are saying the same exact thing. A Right. So we are not in disagreement. Q I think we are saying the exact same thing. The way I read Razorback, I believe, is the way you read it, which is that, yes, there are real -- three real lawsuits. A Right. Q That you are in charge of. A Yes. Q And those -- A They say one. But you are right, three. Q I know, three. A Yes. Q The three real lawsuits that you are in charge of, that Rothstein, to raise money, makes up additional information about other clients that the Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800667