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FBI VOL00009
EFTA00800508
343 pages
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181 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Whatever is easiest for you. MR. LINK: Okay. We can go off the record. THE VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 2:22 p.m. This is the end of tape two. We are going off the record. (A recess was had.) THE VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 2:34 p.m. This is the beginning of tape three and we are back on the record. BY MR. LINK: Q Okay. Mr. Edwards, you were going to go through the Exhibit Number 9, which was the December 7th, 2009 complaint filed by Mr. Epstein against Scott Rothstein, Bradley Edwards andllill and you were going to highlight the paragraphs that caused injury to your reputation. A The complaint as a whole. Q The entire complaint? A The entire complaint This is a complaint that says that Scott Rothstein and I ran a Ponzi scheme in which we together committed many federal crimes and state crimes and fabricated cases and committed bar violations and were guilty of conspiracy and RICO, and fraud and conspiracy to commit fraud. Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800688
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182 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 It reads like a federal indictment. And there's no way to take pieces out of it that would not injure somebody, because as a whole, this is about as damaging to any lawyer's reputation as it possibly could be, and it was intended to do that. When I read back over it, I just remember how unbelievably painful it was when I received it and how I still feel today as a consequence of the things that were put out there. This is a criminal indictment against me. That's what this is. Q Can you point to the paragraphs, please, that you just read through that contain the inaccurate statements you just referred to? A Start from the beginning. Q So if I read the summary of the action, tell me what's inaccurate about that. What's untrue about the summary of the action, sir? A These are statements that are consumed within the counts at the back, which I'm part of every one of those counts, so this applies to me. None of it is true as it pertains to me. Q I asked you to point out in the summary of the action what is untrue. Can you take a look at that and tell me -- Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800689
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183 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A Scott Rothstein aided by others. The clear implication is that the others are me and Q Does it say that there? A It does. That's what a complaint is. It's adopting everything into the count at back of this complaint. The whole thing is about me. Q It is? So is III. a lawyer? A No. She's one of the females that Mr. Epstein molested, and in this complaint alleges that she wasn't molested and she was somehow fabricating her claim against him. Q Did III. authorize the 234-page complaint we looked at that was Exhibit Number 7? A Yes. Q She authorized that filing? A Yes. Q So when I look at Summary of Action, first sentence, it says, "Attorney Scott Rothstein aided by other lawyers and employees at the firm" ... "for personal greed enrichment." Where does it talk about III. in there? Does it? A It's about me. Q Well, you said you and III. When you said how this impacts you, you said other lawyers like me Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800690
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184 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 and III. That's what you said. MR. SCAROLA: No. THE WITNESS: That's not what I said. That's fine. BY MR. LINK: Q Then I heard you wrong. So in the Summary of Action, do you see your name in there? A My name is in the style of the case. Q I know that, sir. I'm asking you about the summary of the action. A It speaks for itself. Whether my name is in there generally or specifically, that's what this complaint is talking about. And this complaint is clearly designed to talk about me throughout the entire case. Sometimes specifically, sometimes generally. Q No question you're a defendant. And I'm asking you what in the Summary of Action is an untrue statement? A Those things in the summary of the action, I did not do. Q I don't see that it says that you did in the summary of the action. MR. SCAROLA: Objection, argumentive. THE WITNESS: It does. You can't just Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800691
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185 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 take this piece. The whole complaint refers to itself. BY MR. LINK: Q So can you point to a single sentence in the Summary of Action that is an untrue statement? A Sure. Q Which one? A All of it as it pertains to me. Q Look at paragraph six. Can you tell me why you denied being an employee, agent or associate or partner, shareholder or other representative of RRA? A You have my answer? Q I do. Take a look at Exhibit 10, which is the answer and counterclaim of defendant Bradley Edwards, which was date stamped December 21st, 2009, and I believe it was filed with the clerk on the 17th of 2009. Okay? A I think this would invade the attorney-client privilege to tell you why. (Plaintiff's Exhibit Number 10 was marked for identification.) BY MR. LINK: Q Why you denied -- A Yes. Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800692
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186 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q -- being a partner at RRA? A Okay. I wasn't a partner at RRA, so that's one reason. Q So you weren't a partner at RRA? A I was not. Q So for the six months that you were employed there, you did not hold yourself out as a partner of the Rothstein firm; is that true? A You are asking a different question. What I'm saying is -- Q Okay. A I don't understand the faces, but -- Q Let me start over. Did you hold yourself out as a partner of the Rothstein law firm? A This is something that we have gone over in prior depositions. We are just rehashing what other lawyers have asked me and I've explained this in detail. MR. SCAROLA: And because that is in fact the case, and because that is clearly outside the scope of the admitted areas of inquiry for this deposition, I am going to instruct Brad not to answer. BY MR. LINK: Q Were you an employee of the Rothstein firm? Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800693
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187 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. SCAROLA: Same objection. Same instruction. BY MR. LINK: Q Were you an associate of the Rothstein firm? MR. SCAROLA: Same objection. Same instruction. BY MR. LINK: Q Did you get paid by the Rothstein firm for the six months that you worked there? MR. SCAROLA: Same objection. Same instruction. BY MR. LINK: Q Were you paid as a W-2 employee or a 1099 employee? MR. SCAROLA: Same objection. Same instruction. BY MR. LINK: Q Did you have a website for Jeffrey (sic) Edwards & Associates? MR. SCAROLA: Did you mean that question as you asked it? MR. LINK: I think so. MR. SCAROLA: No, I don't think so. Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800694
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188 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 BY MR. LINK: Q Your answer is no? MR. GOLDBERGER: Change the first name. MR. LINK: I'm sorry. You're right. Thank you. BY MR. LINK: Q Did you have a website for Bradley Edwards & Associates? A I don't think so. Q When you would sign letters while you were at the Rothstein firm, did you ever sign as a partner of that firm? MR. SCAROLA: Same objection. Same instruction. BY MR. LINK: Q Do you agree that it would have been reasonable for a person who was not within the Rothstein firm to conclude that you were a partner of that firm? MR. SCAROLA: Question calls for speculation and is an incomplete hypothetical. THE WITNESS: I don't know what would have been reasonable for somebody to infer in terms of how anyone was paid or whether Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800695
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189 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 they shared equity according to any title. BY MR. LINK: Q I am going to show you Plaintiff's Exhibit Number 11. (Plaintiff's Exhibit Number 11 was marked for identification.) BY MR. LINK: Q Can you tell us what Exhibit 11 is, please? A It's a letter about depositions that were already set by other plaintiff counsel and depositions that we intended to take, in addition to those that were already set. Q What day is this letter? A July 22nd, 2009. Q Is it referencing any particular cases you were working on. A I don't see it, but it's representing it's Epstein -- it's Epstein related. Q Epstein related. All right. And how did you sign that letter? A Um. Q What does the signature block say, sir? A That's my signature, but -- Q What does the signature block say? A Rothstein Rosenfeldt Adler, Bradley J. Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800696
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190 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Edwards, Esquire, Partner for the Firm. Q And who signed that letter for you? A I don't know. Q Take a look at Exhibit 12 and go to page five, please. (Plaintiff's Exhibit Number 12 was marked for identification.) BY MR. LINK: Q Exhibit 12 is the Rothstein Rosenfeldt Adler Firm Directory Updated: October 23rd, 2009. Do you see your name listed under Attorneys and Staff on page five. A Yes. Q What is your title, sir? A It says partner. I have never seen this document before, but that's what it says. Q Did you have an employment with the Rothstein firm? A Again, something else that has been asked in previous depositions, but the answer, again, is no. Q Take a look at Number 13. (Plaintiff's Exhibit Number 13 was marked for identification.) BY MR. LINK: Q This is a May 22nd, 2009 email from Bradley Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800697
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191 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 J. Edwards to somebody at the Palm Beach Post, right? A It appears to be a writer, I'm assuming, at the Palm Beach Post. I don't remember her. Q So back in May 2009, you were corresponding with a writer at the Palm Beach Post about the lawsuit, Jane Doe versus United States of America? A Yeah. I'm telling that person that the non-prosecution agreement was released pursuant to protective order, so I can't discuss the contents of the non-prosecution agreement. I'm assuming that reporter called asking about the contents. Q What does the signature block say? A I'm not contesting that the signature block probably always said Bradley Edwards, Partner, Rothstein Rosenfeldt Adler. I would guess everything that was signed there probably said that. Q So you held yourself out as a partner in the law firm, true? A What does partner mean between us? I mean, a partner is an equity partner. In a business, I was not, nor did I ever tell anybody that I was. Lawyers in the law firm, all -- almost all went by either partner or shareholder, with very few exceptions. So partner was an informal title that indicated I carried my caseload as opposed to I Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800698
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192 1 2 3 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 worked on somebody else's cases. I was never an equity partner. I never acted like I was an equity partner. I never told anyone I was an equity partner, which in the sense of a business is what an actual partner is. So that's the full and complete answer. Did it say partner as opposed to just mere employee or whatever else it would say? Yes, that's what it said. Q Did you ever clarify when you were having conversations with these folks that you just mentioned that you never said I'm an equity, I'm an owner, so on and so forth; that you were simply an employee of the firm? A Sure. With anyone that I had these discussions with, including Michael Pike, who was one of Mr. Epstein's lawyers. We talked about the arrangement there, and including whether he would want to come over to RRA at some point in time. Q Tell me what you told him about the arrangement there and why he might want to come over? A It's a good law firm. It's a good law firm. You get a lot of help. There's sufficient staff. You will like it. You don't have to represent pedophiles. You can actually be on the other side of the cases. Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800699
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193 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 And at the time I didn't think that he was a bad guy, and he -- and we had those types of conversations. Q And you said to him, they will give you the title partner but it doesn't really mean you're a partner, but you get to hold yourself out to the public as though you're a partner? Did you talk to him about? A Nobody says that. Q The conversation you had with Mr. Pike must have been before the lawsuit was filed against you in December. A I said it was while I was at RRA, which was before the lawsuit was filed against me in December. Q Now, if you would, please, turn to page -- A Which exhibit are we looking at? Q Huh? A Which exhibit? Q We are on Exhibit 9, the complaint, which you said the entire thing has caused damage to your reputation, right? And did it -- Let's back up for a second. When did you receive a copy of this complaint? A I don't remember. Q Were you personally served with it? A Yes. Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800700
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194 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q Where were you served at? A I believe at a restaurant. Q Which restaurant? A I don't remember. Q How many times have you been served by -- have you been served with a complaint? A This is the only one that's memorable to me. But we talked about a complaint previously. Q Talked about several. A I presume that I was served. I don't remember being served, but I'm sure there's a certificate of service where I was. Or if there was substitute service at a law firm or something else, that's possible too. This complaint, though, I remember that I was personally served. I am not sure exactly where I was. Q the 7th? A Your guess is as good as mine on that. Q If you look at the counterclaim that was prepared, do you remember when you started drafting that? Were you served on the 7th or was it after A No. Q How long after you received a copy of the Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800701
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195 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 complaint that was filed on December 7th did you start drafting the counterclaim? If we're looking at the counterclaim -- do you have that in front of you? I believe that's Exhibit Number -- MR. SCAROLA: I don't know that it was marked. MR. LINK: Did we not mark it? THE WITNESS: Yeah, it's 10. BY MR. LINK: Q So we're looking at Exhibit Number 10 -- let me back up. Did you draft the counterclaim that's attached to the answer? A No. Q Who did? A I don't know. Q Mr. Scarola's office? A Yes. Q So Mr. Scarola's office drafted an abuse of process counterclaim based on the filing of a complaint? Is that true? A It appears that way. I mean, the document speaks for itself. There's a signature for that office, so it looks like that's what happened. I only know what you are knowing right now. Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800702
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196 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q Do you remember earlier you told me about how much time you had to spend on this doing the legal work because you were the one who knew and that you were the one doing the drafting, not Mr. Scarola or his firm? MR. SCAROLA: That's an inaccurate representation of the earlier testimony. THE WITNESS: The record will speak for itself just how badly you just bastardize what I just said. BY MR. LINK: Q So this counterclaim that was filed, you didn't draft it. Did you approve it before it was filed? A I'm sure. Q Had there been any other pleadings or anything done since December 7th and when this counterclaim was prepared? A Your question is had there been anything done -- Q In this lawsuit -- A Oh, in this suit. Q -- that you sued for abuse of process, other than the filing of the complaint? Anything else happen? Any other papers filed? Anything take Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800703
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197 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 place? A Did anything happen? Did anything take place? Or were any papers filed? Q Yeah. All the above. A Which one is your question? Q All of the above. A I'm sure things happened. MR. SCAROLA: Objection, compound. BY MR. LINK: Q Okay, what happened? A You want me to recall what I did every day between December 7th and December 21st? Q No, sir. I want you to tell me what was the abuse of process. What took place after the complaint was filed to justify this counterclaim. MR. SCAROLA: Excuse me. Can you tell me where within the Court's defined area of inquiry those questions fall? MR. LINK: Uh-huh. I can. MR. SCAROLA: Where? MR. LINK: Probable cause and damages. MR. SCAROLA: Filing of the federal lawsuit, interaction with Rothstein and knowledge of the Ponzi scheme, $14 million bond -- Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800704
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198 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. LINK: That's your reading of it, not mine. I sent you an entire email with all of the Court's statements about starting over -- MR. SCAROLA: I read every one. MR. LINK: -- and probable cause -- MR. SCAROLA: I read every one -- MR. LINK: -- and damages -- MR. SCAROLA: You're wrong. MR. LINK: And this relates to damages. MR. SCAROLA: How does it relate to damages? MR. LINK: Because he's claiming damages in this lawsuit. And he is seeking damages from when he filed this. And I want to find out what his damages were. MR. SCAROLA: He's seeking damages from the point at which he was maliciously named in a false and fraudulent claim by a serial pedophile. MR. LINK: Good statement. I'm sure the jury will enjoy that. But for my purposes and today, are you instructing him not to answer? MR. SCAROLA: Yes. Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800705
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199 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 BY MR. LINK: Q So, are the damages you are seeking in this case related to the complaint that was filed on December 7th, 2009? A They are related yes, they were proximally caused by the complaint. Q This is the complaint we're talking about, right? A Yes. Q December 7, 2009. A Yep. Q And now we are looking at your answer and the counterclaim to that complaint, right? A Okay. Q And through the counterclaim is how you seek damages, isn't it, sir? A I don't think this is the operative counterclaim. Do you? Q I didn't say it was the one operative today. It's the one that you filed as soon as you received the lawsuit in less than 14 days. A Your statement is the counterclaim that we are looking at is the one through which you are seeking damages? Q Yeah. When you first filed the Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800706
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200 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 counterclaim you sought damages, correct? MR. SCAROLA: This is an abuse of process counterclaim. MR. LINK: I know. And I am trying to find out what the damages are. MR. SCAROLA: The case that is being prosecuted currently is a malicious prosecution claim that relates back to the December 7th, 2009 case. As you are well aware, a malicious prosecution claim cannot be filed until the underlying action has been disposed of in favor of Mr. Edwards. MR. LINK: I actually thought that was true, but you didn't wait that long. I do agree with that statement. You're right. But this is the pleading that was filed that seeks damages, and it is the response to the complaint. If you won't let me ask him questions about it, then instruct him not to answer and we will go see what Judge Hafele says. MR. SCAROLA: Well, let me hear what the question is. MR. LINK: I just asked it. Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800707