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FBI VOL00009
EFTA00588667
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11 G3hdgium 1 When we get through with the rest of this stuff, we'll find out 2 if there is something in particular that you want prior to next 3 Friday and see what that is and see if we can get it. How is 4 that? 5 (Pause) 6 OK. Who pays for what and counsel, all of that? 7 Those are interesting problems and who knows how they all come 8 out. I think all of that is best served by reserving them 9 until the conclusion of the case, which is what I shall do. 10 The plaintiff wants to produce on a rolling basis and 11 to amend or add to the privilege log as the production goes 12 forward. I don't see any problem with that. 13 MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, that's actually the issue 14 I was just alluding to. I understand -- and I have said I 15 don't have a problem with plaintiff producing her documents 16 over the course of the month because she has said that it is a 17 hardship for her to produce them all last night, which is when 18 they were due. However, she's trying to take our client's 19 deposition in the middle of her rolling production, in other 20 words, show up at the deposition with the documents she happens 21 to get -- 22 THE COURT: That's what I'm saying. Maybe what we'll 23 do is to deal with the document production issue separately. 24 MS. MENNINGER: OK. 25 THE COURT: And if there are some documents that SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. EFTA00588687
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12 G3hdgium 1 really seem to be important and they cannot be produced, then 2 maybe we'll put over the -- we'll see how that works. 3 MS. Your Honor, I may be able to short 4 circuit this. 5 THE COURT: Pardon me? 6 MS. I may be able to short circuit this a 7 little bit. We produced 3,000 pages last night. We are 8 continuing that production. We are moving as fast as we can. 9 We produced a privilege log with over 134 entries on it. We 10 are continuing to move that forward as quickly as we can. 11 With respect to her deposition, your Honor, I'm happy 12 to provide them in advance every document I will be using at 13 her deposition. In other words, if that is their issue, if it 14 means I can get her deposition next Friday, I will share with 15 them any document I intend to use at that deposition. 16 THE COURT: That seems to solve the problem, don't you 17 think? 18 MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, I have to disagree. I got 19 this responsive objection last night at 9:30 p.m., while I was 20 here in New York. I've taken a look at it, and I can give your 21 Honor a sense of the types of objections that plaintiff has 22 lodged to our document request. For example, their client sold 23 her diary to Radar Online. It was published on Radar Online. 24 This diary contains plaintiff's allegations against my client. 25 So I asked for the diary that was sold to Radar Online. SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. EFTA00588689
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13 G3hdgium 1 THE COURT: You get it. 2 MS. MENNINGER: It is copyright and proprietary 3 protected. We're not going to produce it. So that's the kind 4 of example -- 5 THE COURT: No. You get it. 6 MS. She doesn't have a diary. She might be 7 referring to something else. I mean, my client doesn't have a 8 diary to produce. She doesn't have one. Those were 9 handwritten notes that she gave a reporter. She doesn't have 10 one. 11 THE COURT: So you are saying -- 12 MS. That request is broader. I mean -- 13 THE COURT: No. 14 MS. I didn't know we were going to be 15 addressing my requests today -- 16 THE COURT: as to the diary, you say it doesn't 17 exist. There is no diary, there are no notes, and whatever 18 there is has been the subject of the printed material? 19 MS. Yes. 20 MS. MENNINGER: Excerpts -- excerpts, your Honor, with 21 my client's name on them in plaintiff's handwriting were sold 22 to Radar Online, not the entire document. And when I asked for 23 the entire document, I was told that it is proprietary and 24 copyright protected. 25 THE COURT: What is "proprietary"? SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. EFTA00588691
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14 G3hdgium 1 MS. I think she's referring to a broader 2 request. My client doesn't have a diary, which is what she's 3 addressing right now. I don't have my requests in front of me, 4 your Honor. We were here on their requests. But if you want 5 to read the whole request, I can try and remember what 6 THE COURT: What are we talking -- 7 MS. Did they say I was withholding 8 documents? I don't think I said I was withholding documents on 9 that request. But, again, I don't have it in front of me and I 10 apologize. 11 MS. MENNINGER: The request number 16 reads: "Any 12 diary, journal, or calendar concerning your activity between 13 '96 and '02." 14 Response: Ms. objects to this request to the 15 extent it seeks proprietary- and copyright-protected material. 16 Ms. objects in that it seeks information protected by 17 the attorney-client privilege, the attorney work product 18 privilege, the joint defense, interest privilege, the agency 19 privilege, the investigative privilege, the spousal privilege, 20 the accountant/client privilege, and any other applicable 21 privilege." 22 THE COURT: Hot dog. I tell you, that's great. 23 MS. But did I say I didn't have -- 24 THE COURT: Shall we use that as the standard 25 objection to every document request and then let's forget about SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. EFTA00588693
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15 G3hdgium 1 it? OK, let's do this. 2 MS. Your Honor, may I be heard on just one 3 point on this issue? 4 If the standard were that someone could wait in a case 5 to request documents and then push off depositions by 6 continuing to file new requests, it's apparently -- 7 THE COURT: Yes. I hear you. I understand that 8 point. Look, obviously if there are documents that are covered 9 by the privilege, they have to be identified and logged. So 10 that's the privilege. 11 I don't know, what is this proprietary thing? What is 12 that all about? 13 MS. To the extent she has commercially 14 valuable material that she has written, that's covered by -- 15 it's covered by the protective order basically, that it would 16 be produced in a confidential format with a copyright-protected 17 format. So it is a general objection 18 THE COURT: So she will produce that, she will produce 19 everything -- 20 MS. If she has something like that, yes. 21 Like I said, we produced 3,000 pages yesterday. 22 THE COURT: And calendars and all of the rest of them? 23 MS. To the extent she has any of that, we 24 will produce it, your Honor. 25 THE COURT: All right. In other words, you are going SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. EFTA00588695
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16 G3hdgium 1 to produce everything except anything that you have that you 2 claim privilege as to which you will log? 3 MS. Yes. We have been logging -- 4 THE COURT: Well -- 5 MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, on this particular one, 6 she says her client does not have any nonprivileged documents 7 created during the time period responsive to this request, and 8 then there are no privileged documents related to this log on 9 the privilege log. So I don't have any way to read this 10 request in a privilege log and figure out whether there are 11 noncopyright materials that weren't withheld or there are 12 privileged because all of these privileges were raised -- 13 THE COURT: I take it that what's being said is that 14 she has no privileged documents that would be covered by that 15 request? 16 MS. MENNINGER: That's not what the objection says. 17 And, your Honor, since she sold her handwritten notes about my 18 client to Radar Online, I know they exist because they were 19 excerpted on the Internet. 20 THE COURT: Yes, but she said she doesn't have them. 21 She said -- I mean, correct me if I am wrong. 22 MS. No, she doesn't have them. But, your 23 Honor, I am happy to have -- first of all, she hasn't conferred 24 on these issues that we are talking about here today. I am 25 happy to address them fully. I feel very comfortable with our SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. EFTA00588697
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17 G3hdgium 1 discovery production in this case. We will continue to roll it 2 out; we have done it timely. Unlike like the defendants, who I 3 served their discovery requests October 27th, your Honor. We 4 are now in March. I received two emails, two emails in 5 response. I produced 3,000 pages -- 6 MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, she is 7 (Unintelligible crosstalk) 8 THE COURT: Ladies, we're not going to get anywhere if 9 we "who struck John." 10 MS. I understand, your Honor. 11 I think I proposed something very fair by saying that 12 I would share with her any document I intend to use at that 13 deposition. I just need the deposition. 14 THE COURT: I understand. I got you. OK. 15 Now, you will identify any document -- I mean, you 16 tell them -- give them any documents that you are going to use 17 in the deposition. 18 MS. Yes. 19 THE COURT: OK. Now, is there -- the business of this 20 production on -- you are going to have to -- well, wait a 21 minute. Let me put it this way. The objections to this 16 are 22 overruled except for the privilege. OK? 23 MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, I've proposed dates for my 24 client to be available in two or three weeks, once we have 25 received a complete document production, which was due last SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. EFTA00588699
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18 G3hdgium 1 night, and I have been told we're not going to talk about dates 2 in two or three weeks. We haven't asked to set them out into 3 May or June. We've just asked for the documents that were due 4 last night to be produced to us before our client's deposition. 5 This isn't some kind of game. It's just she's been litigating 6 this case for seven years -- 7 THE COURT: OK. Well, we've dealt with the first 8 objection. Now, is there another one? 9 MS. Right. So we're here on my motion to 10 compel production of documents. I am just getting a little 11 confused because I don't -- we are here -- my motion to compel 12 production of documents from her based on my request that -- 13 THE COURT: Let's not worry about the -- 14 MS. OK. I just wanted to be clear. I 15 don't have in front of me the request that she is referring to. 16 THE COURT: OK. Anything else that you think you need 17 besides the documents she is going to use, the response to 16? 18 Anything else -- 19 MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor -- 20 THE COURT: -- that is critical for the deposition? 21 MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, these were filed last 22 night at 9:30 p.m., the 3,000 pages were produced to my office, 23 which is in Colorado. I haven't looked at the 3,000 pages that 24 were produced last night. I will have to ask leave of the 25 Court to go back, look at the documents that were produced and SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. EFTA00588701
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19 G3hdgium 1 see what I am missing. 2 THE COURT: All right. If you want to, you can come 3 back on Thursday next week and we can argue about whether or 4 not the deposition should go forward on Friday. 5 MS. MENNINGER: OK. 6 THE COURT: That is all right with me. 7 MS. MENNINGER: That is acceptable, your Honor. 8 THE COURT: OK. So maybe we've solved that problem. 9 OK. Maybe. 10 Now, on the improper objections by the defendants. I 11 suppose I can assume that the defendants' objections are just 12 exactly the same as the plaintiff's objections. 13 MR. PAGLIUCA: No, your Honor. They are not. 14 MS. Oh, I'm sorry. This is my motion to 15 compel. Can I just address it initially so that I can lay out 16 for the Court what the issues are that we are raising on the 17 motion to compel? 18 THE COURT: I'm sorry. 19 MS. This is my motion to compel now. Can I 20 address -- am I able to address that? 21 THE COURT: Yes. 22 MS. So with respect to our motion to compel 23 the documents from the defendant, as you know, your Honor, 24 there are two main objections that I think have to be overcome 25 in order for us to get that production properly. The first SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. EFTA00588703
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20 G3hdgium 1 main objection is the fact that they are objecting to the time 2 period. So we have sought requests from 1999, which is in 3 around the time when my client contends she was involved with 4 these individuals, to the present. They objected that that 5 time period is overly broad. They only agreed to produce for 6 the period of 1999 to 2002 and for one month, from December 31, 7 2014 to January 31, 2015. So they cut out all the years in 8 between and anything post January 31, 2015. 9 Now, with respect to your Honor maybe saying why would 10 that time period be relevant, the entire time period is 11 relevant for a number of reasons. First, in 1999, that's when 12 my client first recalls being -- 13 THE COURT: We can agree think we can agree at 14 the outset that '99 to what is it? 15 MS. 2002. 16 THE COURT: 2002 is relevant. 17 MS. Right. 18 THE COURT: So what we're talking about is the what 19 happened in 2002? 20 MS. My client was sent to by 21 Mr. Epstein and Ms. Maxwell for a training and to pick up 22 another -- 23 THE COURT: So she is no longer -- 24 MS. And she left. She fled to Australia. 25 THE COURT: OK. SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. EFTA00588705
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