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Mr. Epstein's instructions. She was 17 at the 
time all this activity occurred. 
Q 
And what did 
say about Mr. 
Epstein's knowledge of her age? 
A 
She told Mr. Epstein how old she was. 
She told him that she was 17. 
Q 
Now 
was interviewed shortly after 
the activity ended, correct? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
Do you remember the approximate date 
when Mr. Epstein left Palm Beach County and has 
returned only for court appearances? 
A 
I believe it was October 6th. It was 
the beginning of October was the last time we have 
him -- or when he left the area. 
Q 
And 
was interviewed by the police 
shortly after that time? 
A 
Yes, she was interviewed on November 8. 
Q 
And during that interview, did she 
explain when the last time was when she had seen 
Mr. Epstein? 
A 
She had said shortly before her 
birthday. 
Q 
And she said it was actually the first 
week in October? 
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A 
Yes. 
Q 
Now was 
later called to appear 
before the State Grand Jury? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
And during that testimony, did she 
did she confuse the last day that she saw Mr. 
Epstein? 
A 
Yes. She stated -- and this was done I 
believe in July of '06, so this would have been 
over a year and some months. She did state that 
the last time she saw Mr. Epstein was the day 
before her birthday and that is when the sexual 
intercourse took place. 
Q 
Okay. So she thought it was the day 
before her birthday, but based on her earlier 
statement and the records that we have, we know it 
was a few days before her birthday? 
A 
The first week of October. 
Q 
Okay. 
Let's -- actually, 
before we go to the Overt Acts, do you mind 
if I ask the agent a question outside? 
I 
think I caught another error. Excuse us for 
a moment. 
and the witness exit the 
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Grand Jury Room.) 
Grand Jury Room.) 
and the witness enter the 
There is a discrepancy 
in Overt Act Number 138. The chart that I 
provided to you says -- has the name 
the relevant defendant and in the indictment 
So we are trying to confirm 
who the right caller was. 
A GRAND JUROR: Can I ask a question? 
Sure. 
A GRAND JUROR: You had said that he had 
not been in Florida? 
Uh-huh. 
A GRAND JUROR: How do they know that he 
has not come into Florida? 
Okay. 
We can address 
that withaed the agent. 
A GRAND JUROR: Could I ask a question? 
Sure. 
A GRAND JUROR: Is there any way that he 
might have been filming this? Does anybody 
know about it, I mean, you know? 
Okay. 
We will answer 
those after we finish going through these 
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items. 
A GRAND JUROR: 
I knew there was a 
reason you were hauling all those records 
back and forth. 
A GRAND JUROR: 
After the case is over, 
how long do you actually have to keep all 
that? 
This is all on the 
record. 
A GRAND JUROR: Yeah. It's curiosity. 
Okay. All right. 
BY 
Q 
So from your review of the phone 
records, Special Agent 
Overt Act 
Number 138 relates to 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
Okay 
All right. 
Now let's run through 
Overt Acts 110, 128, 133, 136, 138, 139, 141 , 142, 
145, 152, 154, and 156. 
Could you let the grand jury know what 
the evidence is supporting those Overt Acts? 
A 
A review of the phone records indicate 
on those dates there was telephonic contact 
IIIIIIIIIIIII 
between the 
and 
as well as 
statements that 
called her 
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1 
and in advance as to when Mr. Epstein was in town 
2 
to set up appointments. 
3 
Q 
And if you could look at Overt Acts 124, 
4 
146, and 149. 
5 
A 
A review of phone records between 
and 
indicates there was 
telephonic phone contact on those dates. 
Q 
Phone calls originating with 
ending with 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
And Overt Act Number 147? 
A 
Overt Act 147, a review of the phone 
records indicate that there was telephonic contact 
between 
and 
on that 
date as well. 
Q 
And then Overt Act Number 150, says that 
on September 8, 2005, Defendant 
received a 
telephone call from Jane Doe Number Eight, and 
what is the evidence related to that? 
A 
The evidence on that date is that a 
review 
Q 
of those phone records indicates that 
contacted 
So with respect to that one, the phone 
call originated with 
as opposed to being 
win 
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A 
Yes. 
2 
Q 
Okay. 
Now if you could turn to Count 
3 
Number 12 and summarize for the grand jury the 
evidence supporting that charge of the enticement 
of a minor? 
A 
On or about these dates, a facility of 
interstate commerce was used, specifically the 
telephone, specifically 
and 
phones were 
utilized to set and arrange massages, massage 
appointments for Mr. Epstein. 
During the massages, Epstein would ask 
to remove her clothing. She would perform 
the massages either in her underwear or completely 
Milli
nude. Epstein masturbated while 
performed 
these massages. 
Epstein used a massager on a 
vagina with her panties on and with them off. 
Epstein had intercourse with 
He 
ejaculated outside her vagina. 
On one occasion, Epstein brought 
into the sexual activity, introduced 
into the sexual activity. They performed 
sex acts on each other, that being 
and Jeffrey Epstein, in front of 
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and she continued to massage Mr. Epstein. 
At Mr. Epstein's request, 
and 
did kiss as well as 
touched 
breasts. Epstein paid 200 to 300 to $350 to 
and that depended on the sexual activity. 
Epstein gave 
a book on 
photography as well as a digital camera provided 
to her by 
as well as bra and underwear sets, 
told Mr. Epstein that she was 17 years 
of age. 
Q 
All right. And is that the same 
evidence with respect to Count Number 56? 
A 
Yes, it is. 
Q 
Okay. 
Before we go to those 
other two questions that were posed, are 
there any questions that relates to Jane Doe 
Number Eight? 
Yes, sir. 
A GRAND JUROR: Is there any explanation 
from any of the girls about the number of 
calls versus the number of times they say 
they went there? 
I'm sorry. Say it one 
more time. 
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BY 
A GRAND JUROR: The number of times they 
went to visit versus the number of phone 
calls. There seems to be a big difference. 
THE WITNESS: Yes. There's a lot of 
phone calls and we have phone calls showing 
up prior to his arrival and during his 
arrival and some of the phone calls are 
lengthy and some of them are, you know, 
seconds. 
So either maybe they didn't get through. 
We are looking at a cell phone bill and 
getting those totals from looking at the cell 
phone bill and the calls just vary in time 
length and, you know, the only explanation I 
guess, you know, would be -- and that's just 
me giving you my opinion -- is that, you 
know, either they didn't reach each other, so 
they would continue to call back and forth. 
There was a lot of calls between these 
teenage girls or these adolescent girls as 
well as the phone activity between
 and 
and 
with the girls. 
Q 
All right. And also Special Agent 
I know that you testified about this 
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earlier in terms of the tendency of victims of 
this type of offense to minimize the number of 
visits, for example, minimize the conduct that 
they engaged in? 
A 
That is true as well. 
Q 
So it is possible that the girls went 
more than five times or ten times? 
A 
Yes. 
I mean, it's difficult to try to 
get them to tell you an exact number and that's 
why we have approximated, and, again, they have 
minimized either with local law enforcement and 
now when we go back either through time or just 
being able to -- you know, the approach, they have 
been able to tell us a little more of what took 
place. 
Again, 
stated she went hundreds of 
times. Can we put her down to a number? Two 
hundred and twenty-five phone calls. 
You know, we 
just know that she went a lot of times. 
You can look at the phone activity of 
seeing the phone calls that are made prior to his 
arrival and during his arrival to try to gage when 
they were there. 
All right. 
Any other 
questions related to Jane Doe Number Eight? 
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Okay. 
BY 
Q 
Then we have two questions that were 
raised earlier. One of which was whether there is 
any evidence to suggest that Mr. Epstein filmed 
any of these encounters? 
A 
We don't have any evidence at this time. 
Some of girls were asked that question but there's 
no evidence to show that he did or indicate that 
he did. 
Q 
All right. And then the second one was 
we had talked earlier about Mr. Epstein leaving 
Florida and not returning. 
What evidence do you 
have regarding where Mr. Epstein has been since 
October of 2005? 
A 
He has -- and I may have misspoke if I 
said he has not ever come back. 
He has come back 
because of the state charges he has faced. He has 
had to come into Palm Beach County for that. 
We do not believe that he has been here 
other than that since the investigation broke in 
October of '05, other than having to appear before 
the state charges. 
We know where Mr. Epstein resides and we 
have a partner, ICE, Immigration and Customs 
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Enforcement, who can -- is helping us monitor his 
plane activity, and, although, we were not privy 
to all of his domestic flights when he comes in 
and out of the country, we are alerted to that. 
Q 
And you mentioned earlier that you 
interviewed Janusz Banasiak, correct? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
Who currently serves in what position of 
Mr. Epstein? 
A 
He is currently the house manager for 
Mr. Epstein and maintains the property over in 
Palm Beach. 
Q 
And what did he tell you about Mr. 
Epstein? 
A 
He also said that Mr. Epstein has not 
been back. 
Q 
Okay. 
Any other questions? 
All right. You guys get a break next. 
All 
right. 
We will see you -- I will be out of 
town next week and I will probably see you 
the week after that. 
(Witness was excused.) 
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CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER 
I, Paula E. Angelocci, Certified Court 
Reporter and Notary Public, do certify that the 
transcript is a true and correct transcription of 
my stenotype notes of the testimony of 
SPECIAL AGENT 
, taken before 
the Federal Grand Jury, West Palm Beach, Florida. 
PAULA L
A-
ANGET CCI, CSR #4869 
Certified Cou t Reporter 
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