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and 
were very good friends and 
would talk 
2 
about 
and Mr. Epstein would ask questions about 
3 
when 
was providing massages and as we will 
4 
talk about when we talk about Jane Doe number 4, which 
5 
is 
she told Mr. Epstein that she was a junior in 
6 
high school and that 
and her were in the same 
7 
classes together and that they were very good friends 
8 
and 
told us that at one point 
had come to 
9 
her because she had slipped about prom and she was 
10 
worried because Epstein was supposed to think she was 18 
11 
and she had talked about the prom an 
said she 
12 
never heard anything else about it and they never 
13 
brought it up. 
14 
Q 
Because, according to 
, Mr. Epstein 
15 
didn't care really how old the girls were? 
16 
A 
Exactly. 
17 
Q 
And she never mentioned he asked her for her 
18 
age or asked for any form of identification to show 
19 
whether she was or was not over 18? 
20 
A 
NO. 
21 
Q 
Now, if you could turn to the proposed 
22 
indictment and if I could ask you to look at overt act 
23 
number 59. 
24 
A 
we had a little knock at the door 
Do you 
25 
want me to get it? 
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number 
this is 
4, 
Yes. 
(Thereupon, 
I will 
there was a brief pause.) 
let you see a picture of Jane Doe 
who we were talking about earlier, and 
Is there anyplace you want to put it 
6 
right down here in front? 
7 
Q 
And just so the record is clear, those are the 
8 
photographs that we showed to the Grand Jury last week? 
9 
A 
Yes, it is. 
10 
Q 
So if you could turn to overt act number 59 
11 
which appears on page 12, and if you could explain to 
12 
the Grand Jury the evidence we have related to that 
13 
phone call or phone calls on December 6th, 2004. 
14 
A 
On December 6th, 2004 a review of the phone 
15 
records indicate that there was telephonic phone contact 
16 
between the numbers belonging to 
and 
17 
as well as we have evidence with 
18 
statements of the phone calls being made to 
19 
her by 
20 
Q 
And overt act number 60? 
21 
A 
A review of the phone records indicate 
22 
telephonic contact between the numbers belonging to 
23 
and 
on December 12, 2004. 
24 
Q 
And overt act number 64? 
25 
A 
A review of the phone records indicate 
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telephonic 
and 
Q 
Jury, when 
contact between numbers belonging to 
on December 14th, 2004. 
it is clear to the Grand 
says that defendant 
And just so that 
the overt acts 
5 
made one or more telephone calls, that means that the 
6 
7 
call is originating from 
correct? 
phone, is that 
8 
A 
Yes, it does. 
9 
Q 
And if you could turn to overt act number 71. 
10 
A 
On December 20th a review of the phone records 
11 
12 
indicate that there was  telephonic contact between 
and 
13 
Q 
And overt act number 797 
14 
A 
on January 6th, 2005 a review of phone records 
15 
indicate there was telephone contact between numbers 
16 
belonging to 
and 
17 
Q 
And number 83? 
18 
A 
on January 14th, 2005 a review of the phone 
19 
records indicate telephonic contact between numbers 
20 
belonging to 
and 
21 
Q 
And with respect to the other overt acts 
22 
related to the phone calls which would be 94, 100, 102, 
23 
24 
104, 112, 118, 125, 129 and 132 is the evidence the 
same? 
25 
A 
Yes, on or about each of those dates a review 
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of the phone records indicated telephonic contact 
between the numbers belonging to 
and 
as well as 
statements. 
Q 
Now, if I could direct your attention to count 
number 7 which appears on page 26 of the draft 
indictment, that is a charge of indictment of a minor 
during the period of December 6th, 2004 through June 2nd 
of 2005, could you summarize for the Grand Jury the 
evidence related to that count. 
10 
11 
12 
A 
interstate 
and 
on or about these 
commerce, the 
dates the facility of 
telephone, specifically 
were utilized to set up 
13 
appointments, massage appointments for Epstein. 
14 
During the massages and on more than one 
15 
occasion Epstein 
, he 
16 
used a massager directly on he 
and Epstein 
17 
directed 
to straddle him while he masturbated 
18 
and rubbed his penis between her legs, he would 
19 
masturbate, he would reach through her legs as she was 
20 
straddling him, there was no penetration of his penis in 
21 
though. 
22 
breasts, he would 
He touched 
23 
masturbate. He 
on multiple occasions $200. 
pai' 
24 
Both 
and Jeffrey Epstein have escorted 
25 
upstairs for these massages and Mr. Epstein gave 
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vibrator, Victoria Secret bra and panty sets 
rented her a car for several months. 
And just so that it is clear, you mentioned he 
on several occasions, he paid her every time 
and he also 
Q 
paid her 
5 
she performed these lewd acts, correct? 
6 
A 
ves, 5200. 
7 
Q 
And 
is listed as a defendant with 
8 
respect to Jane Doe number 3 as well, and can you 
9 
explain to the Grand Jury a little bit more about who 
10 
is and why she is charged in this count? 
11 
A 
is one of Mr. Epstein's personal 
12 
assistants as well and she made appointments for him for 
13 
these massages. 
14 
we have contact between 
phone
15 
and 
phone, she contacted 
approximately 
16 
25 times. 
17 
Q 
And that's why she is also charged with 
18 
someone who is either an aider or abetter or a 
19 
coconspirator with respect to this? 
20 
A 
ves. 
21 
Q 
okay. If I could direct your attention to 
22 
Count number 32 which appears on page 30, Count number 
23 
32. 
24 
A 
I got 32. 
25 
Q 
what is the evidence related to? 
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I am sorry, I didn't hear you ask me the 
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question, I thought you said refer to it. 
3 
The evidence is we have flight records that 
4 
indicate on December 13th, 2004 Epstein traveled to Palm 
5 
Beach County on the Gulfstream, there was telephonic 
6 
contact between 
and 
the day 
7 
before or the day of travel, we also have the sexual 
8 
conduct between Jeffrey Epstein and 
as we 
9 
described earlier in Count 7. 
10 
Q 
And just to refresh the recollection of the 
11 
Grand Jury, the Gulfstream aircraft is the one owned by 
12 
Hyperion? 
13 
A 
Air, Inc. 
14 
Q 
And when you said that there was telephone 
15 
contact, you recall that in overt act number 60 that we 
16 
discussed phone calls on December 12th, correct? 
17 
A 
we did. 
18 
Q 
Okay. If I could direct you to Count number 
19 
35 and if you could tell the Grand Jury about the 
20 
evidence according to that count. 
21 
A 
Again, we have flight records that indicate 
22 
that on January 6th, 2005 Epstein traveled to Palm Beach 
23 
County on the Gulfstream again, there was telephonic 
24 
contact between 
and 
the day before, 
25 
the day of that travel, we also talked about the sexual 
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conduct between Jeffrey and 
between Epstein and 
3 
Q 
And can you tell us again what aircraft they 
4 
flew on on January 6th? 
5 
A 
That was the Gulfstream which was owned by 
6 
Hyperion Air, Inc. 
7 
Q 
Okay. If I could direct you to Count 36 and 
8 
again if you could summarize that evidence. 
9 
A 
we have flight records that indicate that on 
10 
January 14th, 2005 Epstein, 
and 
traveled to 
11 
Palm Beach county on the Boeing 727 that Mr. Epstein 
12 
owns, there was telephonic contact between 
13 
one 
the day before, the day of that 
14 
travel, as well as we have the sexual conduct between 
15 
Jeffrey Epstein and 
as we described 
16 
earlier, and I will tell you that 
is --
17 
, Mr. Epstein's personal assistant, and 
is 
18 
we talked about just a few minutes ago, 
19 
Mr. Epstein, another of Mr. Epstein's personal 
20 
assistants. 
21 
Q 
And if I could direct your attention to Count 
22 
37 and ask you to summarize the evidence related to that 
23 
count. 
24 
A 
we have flight records that indicate that on 
25 
February 3rd, 2005 Mr. Epstein and 
traveled 
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to Palm Beach County on the Boeing 727, there was 
2 
telephonic contact between 
and 
3 
the day before or the day of travel and we have 
4 
the sexual conduct between Epstein and 
5 
Q 
And if 1 could direct your attention to Count 
6 
number 38. 
7 
A 
In Count number 38 we have flight records that 
8 
indicate on February 10th, 2005 Mr. Epstein, 
9 
and 
traveled to 
10 
Palm Beach County on the Gulfstream, there was telephone 
11 
contact between 
and 
the day 
12 
before or the day of travel, we also have the sexual 
13 
conduct between Mr. Epstein and 
14 
Q 
Now, I am sorry, on Count number 38, which 
15 
airline were they on? 
16 
A 
They were on the Gulfstream. 
17 
Q 
Can 1 ask you to double-check that? There is 
18 
an inconsistency between the chart and the indictment or 
19 
we can save that for a later date. 
20 
A 
It is right here. 
21 
Q 
1 will mark that we need to check on Count 
22 
number 38. 
23 
A 
I have the flight manifest with me if you want 
24 
me to check, I don't know if you want me to do that now. 
25 
Q 
Yes, if you don't mind. 
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February 
(Thereupon, there 
In Count 38, 
10th, 2005 that 
and 
was a 
flight records 
Mr. Epstein, 
brief pause.) 
indicate on 
were in fact on the 
5 
Boeing 727. 
6 
Q 
So the draft indictment contains the correct 
7 
information? 
8 
A 
Yes, it does. 
9 
Q 
what company owns the Boeing 727? 
10 
A 
JEGE, Inc., Incorporated. 
11 
Q 
And if I could take you to Count number 39. 
12 
A 
Evidence shows through flight records that on 
13 
February 21st, 2005 Epstein, 
14 
and 
traveled to Palm Beach County on 
15 
the Boeing 727, there was telephonic contact between 
16 
and 
the day before or the day 
17 
of travel, there was also the sexual conduct between 
18 
Epstein an 
19 
Q 
And if I could take you to Count number 40, 
20 
please. 
21 
A 
we have flight records that indicate on 
22 
February 24th, 2005 Epstein, 
23 
traveled to Palm Beach County on the Boeing 
24 
727, there was telephonic contact between 
25 
and 
the day before, the day of travel, and 
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there was sexual conduct between Jeffrey Epstein and 
as we described earlier in count 7. 
And if you could do Count 42. 
we have evidence that shows flight records, 
2 
3 
Q 
4 
A 
5 
that flight records indicate that on March 18th, 2005 
6 
Epstein traveled to Palm Beach County on the Boeing 727, 
7 
there was telephonic contact between 
and 
8 
the day of or the day before travel , we 
9 
have the sexual conduct between Mr. Epstein and 
10 
Q 
And just referring to that count, 
11 
is named, although she was not on the flight that day, 
12 
is that correct? 
13 
A 
Yes. 
14 
Q 
And you said that she made the telephone calls 
15 
with 
correct? 
16 
A 
Yes, and we also do have -- we have 
17 
interviewed Mr. Epstein's pilots and one of the pilots 
18 
indicated that 
was the one that arranged all of 
19 
Mr. Epstein's travel arrangements and so she is 
20 
responsible for making his arrangements to travel to 
21 
Palm Beach as well as call the girls for the 
22 
appointments. 
23 
Q 
If I could take you to count number 43, 
24 
please. 
25 
A 
Flight records indicate that on March 31st, 
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2005 Mr. Epstein traveled to Palm Beach County on the 
2 
Boeing 727, there was telephonic contact between 
3 
and 
the day before or the day of travel , 
4 
we also have the sexual conduct between Epstein as 
5 
described earlier in Count 7. 
6 
Q 
Again, in Count 44, what is the evidence 
7 
related to that? 
8 
A 
Flight records indicate that on April 8th, 
9 
2005 Epstein and 
traveled to Palm Beach 
10 
11 
12 
County on the Gulfstream and there 
contact between 
and 
day before or the day of travel, 
was telephonic 
on the 
the sexual 
we also have 
13 
conduct between Mr. Epstein and 
. 
14 
Q 
And if you could go through 45, 46 and 47. 
15 
A 
Count 45 we have flight records that indicate 
16 
on April 27th, 2005 Epstein and 
traveled to 
17 
Palm Beach County on the Gulfstream, there is telephone 
18 
contact between 
and 
the day 
19 
before or the day of travel and we have the sexual 
20 
conduct between Jeffrey and 
21 
In Count 46 we have flight records that 
22 
indicate that on may 6th, 2005 Epstein, 
and 
23 
traveled to Palm Beach County on the 
24 
Gulfstream. 
25 
we have also telephonic contact between 
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2 
3 
4 
and 
day of travel 
Epstein and 
we have flight 
either the day before or the 
the sexual conduct between 
in Count 47 on May 19th, 2005 
indicate Epstein, 
and we have 
and 
records that 
5 
and 
traveled to Palm Beach County on 
6 
the Gulfstream and we have telephone contact between 
7 
and 
the day before or the day 
8 
of travel. 
9 
we also have the sexual conduct between 
10 
11 
12 
13 
Epstein and 
as described in the earlier 
count, Count 7. 
Q 
Now, if I could direct your attention to Count 
number 51 which appears on page 33, that is the sex 
14 
trafficking of a minor involving Jane Doe number 3, and 
15 
could you briefly summarize that, the evidence related 
16 
to that. 
17 
A 
As we discussed earlier in Count 7, I told you 
18 
guys about the sexual conduct between Epstein and 
19 
the monies that were paid to 
by 
20 
21 
Mr. Epstein, the phone activity we discussed between 
and 
, it began in December, 
22 
23 
and we also have phone calls beginning in January from 
to 
at that time 
was 17 
24 
years of age, and we also have statements from 
25 
and 
regarding Mr. Epstein's knowledge of their 
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ages. 
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3 
4 
5 
6 
7 
8 
9 
10 
11 
12 
13 
14 
15 
16 
17 
18 
19 
20 
21 
22 
23 
24 
25 
Q 
And with respect to the affect on interstate 
commerce related to that count we have both the 
telephone calls, correct? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
AS well as Mr. Epstein actually traveling in 
interstate commerce to engage in this activity, correct? 
A 
Yes, we do. 
Q 
Is there anything else that you would like to 
mention about Jane Doe number 3? 
A 
Not at this time, no. 
Q 
If I could direct you to Jane Doe number 4 and 
if you could summarize for the Grand Jury the 
information related to Jane Doe number 4's activities. 
A 
Jane Doe number 4 is 
I think you 
wanted their birth dates, her birth date is 
she was 16 years old and attended 
High School. 
We first have contact through phone calls from 
to 
on April 25th, 2004 which 
indicates and shows that 
was clearly 16 years of 
age when she started going to Mr. Epstein's and 
performing massages for Mr. Epstein. 
our Jane Doe number 1, was the one 
who recruited 
 she basically told 
that she 
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could make S200, she needed to dress cute, he might try 
2 
to touch you, but if you feel uncomfortable just let him 
3 
know and he will stop, and the first massage that 
4 
did he repeatedly told ■, 
and I mentioned this to 
5 
you in the last Grand Jury session, she was very shy and 
6 
he would repeatedly tell her not to be so shy, that she 
7 
didn't have to be so shy. 
8 
Epstein asked her to remove her clothing and 
9 
she told him no, and throughout the massage he would 
10 
repeatedly grab at her, he grabbed her butt, he did 
11 
masturbate through this first massage and pulled her 
12 
13 
clothes, she would pull away and she was paid $200 for 
that 
14 
upon leaving the first massage Mr. Epstein 
15 
told 
that if 
was willing to do more she 
16 
would get paid more. He also informed 
that if she 
17 
would bring her pretty friends he would also pay her for 
18 
bringing her pretty friends. He told 
that 
19 
would get her phone number. 
20 
says that she performed three to four 
21 
massages for Mr. Epstein. We have with 
22 
23 
approximately 
and 
a hundred phone calls between 
24 
When I interviewed 
she became very upset 
25 
when we got to the sexual massages that she did for 
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Mr. Epstein. At this point, this is as much as we know 
2 
at this point of what occurred with Mr. Epstein and 
3 
4 
She did three to four massages and those last 
massages they became more sexual in nature, he asked her 
6 
again to remove her clothing, this time she took her 
7 
shirt off, he asked her to take her bra off, she said 
8 
no. 
9 
He again would touch her breasts, he would 
10 
touch her butt, he did continue to masturbate, this time 
11 
she believes he ejaculated. He continued to compliment 
12 
her, tell her she had a nice body and that she was 
13 
pretty. 
14 
says that he was very nice and engaged 
15 
her in conversation, asked her, you know, if she had a 
16 
boyfriend. In the last massage she discusses with me, 
17 
and this massage Mr. Epstein told her to stop being shy 
18 
and asked her to take her clothes off and 
said 
19 
that she had a boyfriend and she didn't feel comfortable 
20 
taking her clothes off and he told her you should know 
21 
what to expect by now when you come here, and he jerked 
22 
on her pants as to like jerk them down, so she did on 
23 
this last massage get down to her bra and underwear 
24 
She describes his tone at this time being 
25 
frustrated and irritated, she stayed in her bra and 
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sex with her boyfriend, 
8 
9 
10 
11 
12 
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massages, correct? 
14 
A 
Yes. 
15 
16 
17 
down and 
18 
A 
19 
Q 
20 
21 
22 
23 
24 
25 
rapport is built? 
underwear, but during the massage he grabbed her bra and 
pulled it down and fondled her breasts, he had 
instructed her to pinch his chest, his nipples while she 
was massaging his chest, he tried to grab her all over, 
he knew that she was upset with this massage. 
At one point Mr. Epstein asked her if she had 
informs him that she is 
still a virgin and he responds what, you don't like sex? 
And that's pretty much the way that last massage went. 
Q 
Now, Special Agent 
just to 
interrupt you, you mentioned that Jane Doe number 4 
became very upset as you were asking her about the 
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And when she was describing this incident with 
him grabbing at her breast and trying to pull her pants 
instructing her to remove her pants, correct? 
Yes. 
You had talked last week about the expert that 
you had spoken with about interviewing victims of these 
types of offenses? 
A 
Right. 
Q 
And you had told us about how a victim may be 
reticent at first to tell the entire story until a 
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Right. 
2 
Q 
Can you tell the Grand Jury your impressions 
3 
of your interview with 
? 
4 
A 
She became so visibly upset, and a lot of the 
5 
girls are embarrassed of what took place, but when she 
6 
talked about the last massage and him grabbing her 
7 
breasts and fondling her breasts she was in tears and we 
8 
stopped the massage and we calmed her down, trying to go 
9 
back there was just too difficult, I could not get her 
10 
11 
12 
back to discussing anything further that had taken 
place. 
1 have since then -- 1 have since talked to 
13 
again and I feel there is more there, but I just 
14 
don't think she is ready to disclose what took place. 
15 
Q 
so based upon the more than 60 telephone calls 
16 
as well as --
17 
A 
Approximately a hundred. 
18 
Q 
-- 100 telephone calls and your conversations 
19 
with 
you think there is probably more than four 
20 
massages that happened? 
21 
A 
Yes, 1 do. 
22 
Q 
was there anything else that you wanted to 
23 
discuss with the Grand Jury? 
24 
A 
Just, as I stated in the beginning of those 
25 
massages, they engaged in conversation and throughout 
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that conversation, you know, she 
that she was a junior in high school 
did inform mr. Epstein 
and again she is 
3 
one of the girls that talks about 
being mr. 
4 
Epstein's favorite, so because Mr. Epstein knew they 
5 
were friends they would engage in conversation about 
6 
and 
'would mention they were in the same 
7 
classes at school and they would discuss the friendship 
8 
they had between the two girls with Mr. Epstein and I 
9 
think that's it. 
10 
11 
12 
Q 
All right. If we could turn to the 
post-indictment to overt act number 4 which appears on 
page number 5. 
13 
Did you obtain telephone records for Jane Doe 
14 
number 4? 
15 
A 
Yes 
16 
Q 
And did you compare those with the phone 
17 
records of 
and others? 
18 
A 
Yes, I did. 
19 
Q 
And can you tell us with respect to overt act 
20 
number 4 what evidence you have related to that? 
21 
A 
A review of the phone records indicate that 
22 
there was telephonic contact between the numbers 
23 
belonging to 
and 
as well as 
s 
24 
statements that 
would call her to make 
25 
appointments. 
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Q 
And if we could go through overt acts 6, 8, 9 
2 
and 11, all of which appear on page 6. 
3 
A 
A review of the phone records on may 3rd, 
4 
2004, may 14th, 2004, may 20th, 2004 and June 3rd, 2004, 
5 
a review of those phone records indicate that there was 
6 
telephonic contact between numbers belonging to 
7 
and 
as well as 
statements. 
8 
Q 
If 1 could take you to overt acts 14, 15 and 
9 
19 which appear on page 7. 
10 
A 
A review of the phone records on June 11th, 
11 
2004, June 20th, 2004 and July 10th, 2004, they indicate 
12 
that there is telephonic contact between the numbers 
13 
belonging to 
and 
14 
Q 
And if I could ask you to turn to page 8 and 
15 
if you could address overt acts 24 and 25. 
16 
A 
A review of the phone records on July 18th, 
17 
2004 and July 22nd, 2004, a review of 
and 
18 
phone records indicate there is 
19 
telephonic contact belonging to both of them as well as 
20 
statements that 
would arrange 
21 
appointments with her. 
22 
Q 
If I could take you to page 9 of the draft 
23 
proposed indictment and ask about overt acts 29 and 30. 
24 
A 
A review of the phone records indicate there 
25 
is telephonic contact on July 22nd, 2004 and August 4th, 
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tween numbers belonging to 
and 
2 
as well as 
statements. 
3 
Q 
If I could take you to page 10 of the draft 
4 
proposed indictment and ask you about overt acts 37 and 
5 
43. 
6 
A 
A review of phone records indicate telephonic 
7 
contact on August 25th, 2004 and October 3rd, 2004 
8 
between numbers belonging to 
and 
9 
10 
11 
Q 
And if you could turn to page 11 of the draft 
proposed indictment and if you would address overt acts 
12 
47 and 48. 
13 
A 
A review of the phone records indicate 
14 
telephonic contact on October 30th, 2004 and November 
15 
4th, 2004 between numbers belonging to 
and 
16 
as well 
statements. 
17 
Q 
okay. And if you could go to page 14 of the 
18 
draft proposed indictment and address overt act number 
19 
77. 
20 
A 
A review of phone records indicate that on 
21 
22 
23 
January 4th, 2005 
and 
statements. 
there was telephonic contact 
as well as 
between 
24 
Q 
I'm sorry. If you could turn to page 16 of 
25 
the draft proposed indictment and address overt act 
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