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321 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 federal action have anything to do with any factor, other than those that you have just described, the potential expiration of the statute of limitations and your desire to take advantage of the provisions of the non-prosecution agreement as a potential alternative to the state court claim? A That is the only reason that we filed it at that time. Q Did Scott Rothstein have any role whatsoever in that decision-making process? A He never had any role in any decision-making process with anything to do with any of these cases, so no. Q Did you become aware of the fact that your Epstein-related files at some point in time had been requested by Scott Rothstein? A Yes. Q How did you become aware of that? A I think Mike told me -- Fisten. Q Was there any explanation offered as to why Scott Rothstein wanted to see the Epstein-related files? A That if these cases went to trial, he wanted to try the cases with me. Q He who? Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800828
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322 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A He, Scott Rothstein, wanted to try the case with me. That's the explanation that I was given. Q And was there anything suspicious about the head partner in the firm telling you that in this high-profile case he wanted to be part of the prosecution team? A No. If my associate brought in a high-profile case right now, I would be the one to try the case, despite the fact that she may be the only one who knows anything about it. So there's nothing suspicious about that. Q Files got returned to you? A Yes, files did get returned to me. Q And -- was there anything about the request for review of the files on the basis that Scott Rothstein was considering participating in the prosecution of those claims that aroused any suspicion on your part? A No. Q Was there anything else that went on in the short period of time that you were in that law firm that gave any cause for you to suspect that your files were being used in any way, directly or indirectly, in connection with any illegal activity of any kind? Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800829
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323 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A No. I was just a lawyer just working my case and trying to prove my case. That's it. I wasn't concerned with whatever other signals or signs there were. But there weren't any. The most suspicious thing was, there were police officers walking the hallway. But police officers in the building didn't give me that type of suspicion. It was an unnecessary degree of security over the law firm, at best. But with these files or any of the files, no suspicion whatsoever. Q Who were your coworkers in that law firm? Who were the other lawyers that you were working with? A Just generally who was in the law firm? Q Yeah. Give us a general description of the quality of the people that were working for Rothstein, Rosenfeldt & Adler during the period of time that you became associated with the firm. A Well, while I was at the firm, I worked with Bill Berger, who had just come off the bench. He was a judge. Q There's been a number of references to Bill Berger having just come off the bench. Was Judge Berger a respected member of the judiciary in Palm Beach County? Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800830
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324 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A Very much so, and that's why I welcomed him to help with the file. Q Did he leave under any circumstances that gave rise to any suspicion whatsoever? MR. LINK: Object to the form. THE WITNESS: Not at all. BY MR. SCAROLA: Q Who were the other people that you were working with? A Like I said, I conducted -- I ran the files. But other people -- Q When I say working with, I'm not talking about limiting that question to people who worked on the Epstein files. Who were the other folks that were a part of this firm? A Steve Jaffe, Gary Farmer, Matt Weissing. Gary's Farmer's father was an appellate judge. In fact, I think he was still on the bench then when we were working there together. Gary is a senator now. Matt Weissing, who became my partner. Steve Jaffe, same. Mark Fistos, same. These are high-quality people. Good lawyers. The people that I associated with there, good lawyers, good people, not doing anything bad. They're just lawyers who are good lawyers. That's Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800831
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325 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 it. Q Did any of these high-qualify, respected, good lawyers ever express any suspicion to you about any of the activities that were being conducted within that law firm? A Not at all. Q Did the unraveling of the Ponzi scheme come as a total and complete surprise to you? A Of course, yes. Q Did you speak to anybody within the firm, among those respected lawyers that you have described, who indicated to you that the unraveling of the Ponzi scheme did not come as a total and complete surprise to them? A All of them were just as surprised. MR. SCAROLA: I have no further questions. MR. LINK: I have couple follow-ups on it. REDIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. LINK: Q So, in your evaluation of the plaintiffs' cases, generically, I didn't hear you describe any aspect of the plaintiffs' past. Did you consider the plaintiffs' past? Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800832
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326 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A I did. Q You didn't say that when Mr. Scarola asked you. MR. SCAROLA: I disagree with you. I think that that was identified. But the record will speak for itself. That question is argumentive. THE WITNESS: I considered their past. BY MR. LINK: Q Okay. Talking generically. A Sure. For a bunch of reasons, not the least of which was how vulnerable were they before Mr. Epstein abused them, how easy pry were they. That factored big time into my assessment of the value of the cases. Q Did you factor into consideration other sexual activity that they may have had? A Sure. I took everything about them. Q Whether they had worked as prostitutors before? A Before meeting Jeffrey Epstein? Q Yeah. A I don't remember that ever being the case with any of them before meeting Jeffrey Epstein. That might have been right after. Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800833
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327 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q Any of them ever worked at strip clubs before meeting Mr. Epstein? Those kind of factors -- A All of those things I will take into consideration. Every single one of these. These were just little girls, so, yes, into consideration. Q Did you take into consideration any of them having fake IDs that expressed an age of 18 or older? Did you take that into consideration? A That's ridiculous? That's just not true. Q You didn't? A There's, like, 100 underaged girls. That was not a factor in this case. It might be -- Q I'm asking if it's a factor you'd take into consideration generically. I didn't think Mr. Scarola asked you about a specific case. I said is this generic, and he said, yes, this is generic. A Are you talking about any case or just Jeffrey Epstein? Q No. He asked you about a generic case. A With Jeffrey Epstein? Q Yes. A Yes. Somebody having a fake ID, I think that that was, like, one of the defenses that somebody ran I took all of those things Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800834
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328 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 early on, but it's not a factor to consider in this case. Q Okay. So that's not a factor you would have considered? A No. I would have considered it if that was true across the board. It just wasn't a factor in any case related to Jeffrey Epstein. Q Would you consider it a factor of any of the victims changing their testimony from when they spoke with the FBI until when they were -- when they retained a lawyer? Would that impact your evaluation of cases? A I took into consideration all of those circumstances. Q All of those kinds of things. How much did net from the settlement proceeds? A I don't remember. Q Of the gross amount of the 5.5, which portion was allocated to MR. SCAROLA: Excuse me. That assumes that there was a lump-sum settlement that involved an allocation among the three. MR. LINK: I was not suggesting it was a lump-sum at all. I just know the total Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800835
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329 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 number is 5.5. MR. SCAROLA: When you talk about allocating a portion of the 5.5, that suggests -- MR. LINK: I will ask the question again. MR. SCAROLA: Okay. Thank you. BY MR. LINK: Q What was the settlement amount for A You know it as well as me. I believe $1 million. I could be wrong on that though. Q Mr. Scarola asked you a bunch of questions about the federal lawsuit and the statute of limitations. Are you telling us that you filed a 245-page complaint to simply toll the statute of limitation? A It's only as long as it is because of the number of times that Jeffrey Epstein molested her. As you will see, it's just count after count after count, so that we captured the number of counts that would incorporate what he did to this particular person. If it was one of the females who had only gone to his house one or two times, it would be a much shorter complaint. It's being held against me that he molested so many times. Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800836
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330 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q I asked you if it's true that you filed that complaint simply to toll the statute of limitations. That's what I asked. A And I've already explained that, yes, that's why we filed it, to toll the statute of limitations. Q And by filing it and not serving it, did that accomplish the goal you set out? A It did. Although, I ordered it to be served. I mean, I wanted that complaint served. Q Did you do anything -- did you believe it had been served? Was it your mental state when you left the Rothstein firm that that complaint had been served on Mr. Epstein? A I think I knew at that point in time that it hadn't been served yet. But the intention was to serve it, and I wanted it served on him at his house when he was in town. It just wasn't always easy to serve Mr. Epstein. Q Did you -- tell me what efforts you made to serve that complaint. A I don't remember. What I usually do is serve Q I don't want to know what you usually do. What did you do to serve that complaint? A I, like you, don't walk around serving Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800837
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331 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 complaints, so I don't make efforts to serve anybody. I'm not a process server. I tell somebody I want it served, and hopefully they get a process server to serve the complaint. Q Who did you tell to hire a process server, sir? Who did you tell to hire a process server? A I don't remember who was doing that at RRA at that time. We are talking about eight years ago. Q Well, when you went -- started your own firm, the Farmer Jaffe firm, did you make efforts to serve the complaint? A I don't remember. Q Well, if you did, there would be some correspondence or communication, I assume, with a process server or somebody -- A I would think so. Q Do you still have the communications and files that relate to the federal court complaint during the time period at Farmer Jaffe? A I don't know. It is so not important to me right now. I don't know. Q But it was really important to you at the time, because of the statute of limitations and her 21st birthday -- A We filed the complaint. We tolled the Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800838
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332 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 statute of limitations. I don't need to serve it before then. Q You would have to serve it to prosecute it, right, and to recover under it? If the ultimate goal, based on what you told me, is to recover damages, then you can't accomplish that unless you serve the complaint, agreed? A You can accomplish that, but all you need to do is file the complaint before the statute of limitations run. That tolls the statute. Q Sir, I'm asking about recovering the damages. You gave us this whole litany of the damages that you wanted to recover, and that by doing this federal complaint you could recover money for on the statutory counts. And I'm asking you in order to accomplish the goal that you have told the jury during Mr. Scarola's questioning, didn't you have to first serve the complaint? A If we were going to go to trial on the federal case and not the state case, we would have had to serve the complaint, and we would have had to drop the state court case, go to trial on that complaint because we would have had to proceed against him exclusively under that count. So, yes, we -- Q You don't usually have to serve the Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800839
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333 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 complaint until right before trial? A I didn't say that. MR. SCAROLA: He didn't say that. BY MR. LINK: Q You said if you were going to try it you would have to serve it. A You're just making things up. MR. SCAROLA: He didn't say anything like that. BY MR. LINK: Q So let me ask you this. When you filed that complaint, was it your intent to prosecute that action -- to move that action forward? A When I filed that complaint it was to preserve the statute of limitations in case we wanted to go forward on that case and not the state case. We were weighing, tactically, which way is better for III Q And did you make the decision to not pursue the federal court case before service was effected? A We ultimately made the decision to go forward on the state court cases with and with Q When was that decision made, sir? A I don't remember when that decision was made. Q Can you tell me approximately how long Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800840
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334 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 after the complaint was filed that you made the decision to abandon it? A I don't know that we ever made the decision to abandon it. Like I said, it was all premised on this argument as to whether or not you are going to get a multiplier by the number of events. And I seem to remember that we started getting into the legal pleadings on that debate where Jeffrey Epstein was saying, no, it's $150,000, regardless of the number of times I molested anybody. And we were saying, No, you get the multiplier. You can't molest somebody one time, pay $150,000, and then get 99 free molestations. That was, at least, our argument. It was briefed in early 2010, I think, in the Jane Doe case, in response to a motion for summary judgment. And when that case settled, I don't believe that Judge Marra had yet ruled on that issue. In fact, I know that it was never ruled upon. We never got the answer to that question. So by that point in time, we had decided we're going forward on the state court cases with respect till.' and and we will go forward on the federal case with respect to Jane Doe. And if we win on that argument with Jane Doe, it may prompt Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800841
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335 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 us to dismiss the counts that are not 2255 with respect to Jane Doe. That was what was going on in our mental processes with respect to how we were going to process -- prosecute these cases. Q So when did you withdraw the federal court action foil.? A I believe it was dismissed by stipulation as part of the settlement when Jeffrey Epstein paid III. a million dollars for molesting her. That's what I believe. Q So it sat there -- even though it wasn't served, you didn't dismiss the case until there was a settlement? You filed it, but you didn't serve it? A Right. I think that's right. It got dismissed in 2010 when he settled the cases, when he settled her -- Q So it just sat there without being prosecuted, the federal court case? A Yes. I think it got joined with the other 15 or 16 cases for discovery purposes and whatever else, so I don't know about just sit there. It's not like a normal case where it just sits. Q Can you conduct discovery in a case before you serve it? Can you do that? Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800842
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336 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A What would discovery look like? It's still taking the same depositions of the same people, the same time. So we were conducting discovery on behalf of In the state court action, it would have looked exactly the same over here, which all would have been together with all of the other victims that he molested. So it wasn't like a single-act case where you are not getting to do anything. Everything else was happening. We weren't hamstrung. Q There wasn't anything happening for in the federal court, was there? A She's still the same person. Whether she has a case in the state court or the federal court, we still needed to conduct discovery against Jeffrey Epstein to prosecute the same type of case. Q So Scott Rothstein, what was his trial experience in the fall of 2009? A I was told from the time that I got there that he was this amazing employment lawyer, trial lawyer, and that's how -- that's how he had built this reputation as -- that he was the best employment trial lawyer in South Florida. Q So you practiced in Fort Lauderdale for Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800843
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337 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 seven years before you joined the firm -- before you joined Rothstein's firm? A I mean, I was a prosecutor for three of those years, so you don't really know anybody. When you're a prosecutor you know -- that's a different world. Q You know criminals? A Yeah, you know criminals. Exactly. And then I was insurance defense attorney for the next three years. Q So you don't really know anybody? A Well, you just know a different world of people. It's not the same thing. I didn't run into Scott Rothstein. Q Had you ever heard of him? A No. I had not really heard of him. I mean, I heard of him from -- I had heard of the firm from Russ Adler. I worked out of the same gym as Russ, so he would tell me all the time how great the firm was and how great Scott was. Personally, I had no experience with the guy. Q When Mr. Rothstein decided he was going to be the lead trial lawyer, which case was that? A He didn't decide he was going to be the lead trial lawyer. You just make things up in questions all day long. Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800844
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338 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 I was told that he was going to try the case with me. Period. Not more than, not less than that. That's just it. Not be the lead, not be the second, not be the third. Q Just try the case with you? A That's what I was told. Q And that was okay because he was head of the firm and he owned the files, right? A Correct. Q You were an employee, in your mind, and he was the lawyer ultimately at the firm responsible for the three clients, true? A There's seventy lawyers at the firm. They all work for him. Hundreds of files. He's still the equity partner of the firm, so they are the firm's files. They are not -- Q I understand. You told me earlier. And I didn't realize that, that the interest that Bradley Edwards, PA had in three files, you gave up to Mr. Rothstein and became a salary employee, essentially. A Gave up to RRA. Q Mr. Rothstein's firm, correct? A Right. We've established this. Q And so that Mr. Rothstein was the lawyer at Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800845
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339 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 that firm as the -- one of two equity shareholders who was ultimately responsible for the three Epstein matters? A For every case in the entire firm, including those -- Q Including the three Epstein matters? A Every case, yeah. MR. LINK: I have no further questions. MR. SCAROLA: I have nothing further. We will read. THE VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 6:16 p.m., and that concludes this deposition. - - - (The deposition was concluded at 6:16 p.m.) Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800846
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340 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CERTIFICATE OF OATH STATE OF FLORIDA : SS COUNTY OF PALM BEACH ) I, the undersigned authority, certify that BRADLEY EDWARDS personally appeared before me and was duly sworn. WITNESS my hand and official seal this 13th day of November, 2017. Sonja D. Hall Commission No.: FF 082994 Notary Public - State of Florida My Commission Expires: 2-01-18 Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800847