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IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE FIFTEENTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT 
IN AND FOR PALM BEACH COUNTY, FLORIDA 
STATE OF FLORIDA 
STATE OF FLORIDA, 
VS. 
JEFFREY EPSTEIN, 
Defendant. 
TRANSCRIPT OF TAPED STATEMENT OF 
4-24-07 
Transcribed by: 
Vicki S. Woodham, Court Reporter 
Notary Public, State of Florida 
Consor & Associates 
COPY 
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(Taped statement as follows:) 
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AGENT 
: This is Special Agent 
3 
with the FBI along with Special Agent 
and Assistant United States 
5 
Attorney 
here to conduct an 
6 
interview with Ms. 
. Also present is 
7 
her attorney, 
and 
8 
MR. 
: And we are here -- This is 
9 
and my investigator, Ms. 
is here. 
10 
And we're here pursuant to a subpoena that was 
11 
served on me for 
and that's why we're 
12 
here. So Ms. 
it's your show. 
13 
MS. 
: Okay, great. 
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AGENT 
: I also want to add that the 
15 
date is 4-24-07, and the time by my watch is 4:21 
16 
p.m. 
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BY AGENT 
18 
Q. 
, we just want to start off and I'll lead 
19 
off first. We just want to get some basic info about 
20 
you, simple stuff. I've got your date of birth as 
21 IIIIIII/ is that correct? 
22 
A. 
Yes, sir. 
23 
Q. 
I just want to get like your basics like that 
24 
stuff first. Your current address? 
25 
A. 
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2 
Q. 
You have a cell phone or --
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A. 
4 
Q. 
And home phone? 
5 
A. 
Only cell. 
6 
Q. 
Only cell, okay. Now have you had other cell 
7 
phone numbers in the past and do you know any of those? 
8 
A. 
that's the only one I can remember. 
9 
Q. 
Okay. But you had some others? 
10 
A. 
Uh-huh. 
11 
Q. 
Okay. 
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BY MS. 
13 
Q. 
Who's your service provider? 
14 
A. 
Metro. 
15 
Q. 
Metro. And for that other number as well? 
16 
A. 
Yes. 
17 
BY AGENT 
18 
Q. 
Where did you go to high school? 
19 
A. 
20 
Q. 
And what year did you graduate? 
21 
A. 
22 
Q. 
What year was that that you dropped out, do you 
23 
remember? 
24 
A. 
No. 
25 
Q. 
What year were you supposed to graduate, your 
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class? 
2 
A. 
3 
Q• 
Okay. 
4 
A. 
5 
Q. 
When did you get that? 
6 
A. 
About three months ago. 
7 
Q. 
And are you going to college anywhere 
8 
currently? 
9 
A. 
Not right now. 
10 
Q. 
Plans? 
11 
A. 
I have plans. 
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BY MS. 
13 
Q. 
Where are you thinking about going? 
14 
A. 
I'm not positive what I want to do. There's a 
15 
lot of things on my mind, but right now 
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17 
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AGENT 
: He's a handful? 
19 
THE WITNESS: Yeah. 
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AGENT 
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THE WITNESS: Yeah. So in the future, I'm 
22 
definitely going to go to college. I'm going 
23 
definitely going to go to school. But I have, you 
24 
know, 
that's 
25 
hopefully going to -- some of you will notice me, 
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hopefully, and that would be great, but I don't 
2 
know. 
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BY MS. 
4 
Q. 
Where else are you working? 
5 
A. 
I work fo 
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7 
AGENT 
what was it? 
8 
THE WITNESS: 
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BY MS. 
10 
Q. 
And where are they located? 
11 
A. 
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13 
O. 
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15 
A. 
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BY AGENT 
17 
Q. 
Obviously, you know why we're here and what we 
18 
want to talk about. So let me just kind of lead into do 
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you know Jeffrey Epstein? 
20 
A. 
Yes. 
21 
Q. 
Yes, of course, you do. Now when did you meet 
22 
Jeff? Does he go by Jeff or Jeffrey or --
23 
A. 
Jeffrey. 
24 
Q. 
Okay. When did you meet him and who introduced 
25 
you to Jeffrey? 
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A. 
My girlfriend, 
introduced me to 
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Jeffrey. 
3 
Q. 
Do you know her last name? 
4 
A. 
No. She was a friend of one of my friends, so 
5 
I really didn't know her. 
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BY MS. 
7 
Q. 
When was that? 
8 
A. 
I really couldn't tell you. I don't even 
9 
remember. It's been so long ago. 
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BY AGENT 
11 
Q. 
So 
introduced you to him. Was it at a 
12 
party setting or how did you guys meet? 
13 
A. 
No. She came to me and she said hey, would you 
14 
like to make a couple dollars and I said sure. I said 
15 
doing what? She said, Well, I know this Jeffrey. He 
16 
lives on Palm Beach Island and I bring girls there and he 
17 
likes massages and I was like okay. So I asked her, I 
18 
said well, what about my age? And she said well, just 
19 
make sure that you tell him that you're 18. And I had a 
20 
fake ID at the time and we went there. 
21 
Q. 
Okay. And about what time period was it that 
22 
you went over there first, do you remember? 
23 
A. 
What time period? 
24 
Q. 
Yes. As far as what year was that that you 
25 
were in school? 
I 
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I 
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A.
Q. 
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BY MS. 
4 
Q. 
Were you a freshman or a sophomore, do you 
5 
remember? 
6 
A. 
I couldn't tell you. I couldn't tell you. 
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Probably a sophomore. 
8 
Q. 
Now you said that 
told you that he 
9 
likes massages. Did she elaborate on what types of 
10 
massages? 
11 
A. 
She said sometimes he likes topless massages, 
12 
but you don't have to do anything you don't want to do. 
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He just likes massages. 
14 
Q. 
And do you know whether 
had given him 
15 
massages? 
16 
A. 
Yeah, she said she's done it before. 
17 
Q. 
And do you know whether 
had taken any 
18 
other girls over to see Jeffrey? 
19 
A. 
Yes, she probably did. 
20 
Q. 
Did she tell how much you would make? 
21 
A. 
Yes. 
22 
Q. 
What did she tell you? 
23 
A. 
We go there and we make $200 in 30 minutes. 
24 
Q. 
Now you said that you asked her, you know, what 
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do I need to be worried about my age. Why did you ask 
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her that? 
2 
A. 
Because I don't want to be -- you know, it was 
3 
like I was underage and I was young and I was pretty 
4 
stupid and I didn't want to get -- I didn't want to get 
5 
in trouble, so I always made sure -- I had a fake ID, 
6 
anyways, saying that I was 18. And she just said make 
7 
sure you're 18 because Jeffrey doesn't want any underage 
8 
girls. 
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BY AGENT 
10 
Q. 
Now i 
did she -- where did you meet her 
11 
at? In school? What setting? 
12 
A. 
I was at a friend's house, my girlfriend's 
13 
house. I don't know what girlfriend's house it was. 
14 
Everybody was just hanging out. And she said -- she came 
15 
up to me and she asked me. She said, do you want to make 
16 
a couple bucks and I said sure. 
17 
Q. 
And after the first time that she took you over 
18 
there to meet Mr. Epstein, did she ever call you again to 
19 
set up any appointments with him or anything like that? 
20 
A. 
No. 
21 
Q. 
Did she ever call you on the phone is what I'm 
22 
asking? 
23 
A. 
No, I gave Jeffrey my number. And I said, you 
24 
know, any time you want me to give you a massage again, 
25 
I'll more than welcome to. 
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BY MS. ala 
2 
Q. 
So IIIIIIItook you that first time, but then 
3 
after that you communicated directly with Jeffrey? 
4 
A. 
Uh-huh. 
5 
Q. 
Tell us about that first time that you went to 
6 
his house. Who -- how did you get there? 
7 
A. 
One of 'I'll= friends and they dropped us 
8 
off and then we went. You know, we got escorted up to 
9 
the massage room and he told me everything. He said, 
10 
Listen, I like massages. And we had the whole massage 
11 
table laid out, the lotions and everything. And she was 
12 
in there for the first like five minutes. And the first 
13 
time I gave him a massage, she left the room and I gave 
14 
him a massage. And she told me, she says he likes women 
15 
topless massages. So I willingly the first time took off 
16 
my top when I gave him a massage and nothing more than 
17 
that. It was just a back massage and neck massage and I 
18 
was out of there. 
19 
Q. 
Okay. Let me just ask you a couple of 
20 
follow-up questions. You said that someone escorted you 
21 
up to the room. Do you know who that was? 
22 
A. 
One of -- what's her name? Actually, 
23 
just said, you know, it's up there and she just told 
24 
me where it was. 
25 
Q. 
And then you said that you and 
went
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upstairs together? 
2 
A. 
UhThuh. 
3 
Q. 
And UMstayed 
in there for the first few 
4 
minutes? 
5 
A. 
Uh-huh. 
6 
Q. 
Was Jeffrey already in the room by the time 
7 
left? 
8 
A. 
Yeah, he was in the room. 
9 
Q. 
Okay. Was he there when you guys showed up in 
10 
the room or did he come in after you were already there? 
11 
A. 
He was in the room already. 
12 
Q. 
And you said that you took your top off. Did 
13 
anybody ask you to take it off, like did 
say it's 
14 
time for you to take it off? 
15 
A. 
No, she wasn't in the room. 
16 
Q. 
By the time you took it off, okay. 
17 
A. 
I said, I told Jeffrey, I heard you like 
18 
massages topless. And he's like, yeah, he said, but you 
19 
don't have to do anything that you don't feel comfortable 
20 
with. And I said okay, but I willingly took it off. 
21 
Q. 
Okay. And during that first massage, you said 
22 
that you gave him a shoulder and neck massage? 
23 
A. 
Neck, back, shoulder, yeah. 
24 
Q. 
Was he face down the entire time that he got 
25 
his massage? 
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A. 
Yeah. 
2 
Q. 
And what did you do during the massage? Did 
3 
you talk or --
4 
A. 
Yeah, we talked. 
5 
Q. 
And what would you talk about with him? 
6 
A. 
Well, we were just getting to know each other. 
7 
We talked about how my lifestyle was, what he did for a 
8 
living and just all positive things, really nice things. 
9 
Q. 
Okay. What was he wearing when you first came 
10 
in the room? 
11 
A. 
I'm sorry. When he first -- when he first came 
12 
in the room, he was fully clothed. And then he said, you 
13 
know, wait a second. I'm going to go on the massage 
14 
table and he put a towel over him just like a normal 
15 
masseuse would do. 
16 
Q. 
Did he undress and put a towel around him? 
17 
A. 
Uh-huh. 
18 
Q. 
Okay. 
19 
A. 
Yeah, I didn't see anything. It was just back, 
20 
neck and shoulders. 
21 
Q. 
And after the massage was over, you received 
22 
the $200? 
23 
A. 
He gives money right away. 
24 
Q. 
I'm sorry. Was that before you started the 
25 
massage or after the massage he gave you? 
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A. 
The first time, he gave me the money right 
2 
away. 
3 
Q. 
Okay. And he's the person that paid you the 
4 
S2007 
A. 
No, it's always IS 
6 
Q. 
ME gave you the money? 
7 
A. 
Uh-huh. 
8 
BY AGENT a 
9 
Q. 
What's MI 
last name, do you know? 
10 
A. 
I don't know. 
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MR. 
: You can't look at papers. If 
12 
you think you know, you know. If you don't know, --
13 
THE WITNESS: No, I don't know. I don't know 
14 
last name. He does. 
15 
BY MS. 
16 
Q. 
Okay. The only thing I'm confused about is you 
17 
said that 
didn't even take you upstairs. She just 
18 
told you where you should go? 
19 
A. 
Uh-huh. 
20 
Q. 
So when did she pay you the money? 
21 
A. 
She paid me then and there when I first walked 
22 
in the door, me and 
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BY AGENT. 
24 
Q. 
She paid you before you went upstairs? 
25 
A. 
Yes. 
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BY MS. =MS 
2 
Q. 
And how much was Mil 
paid? 
3 
A. 
Everybody got paid $200. 
Q. 
And after -- So after the massage was finished, 
5 
you said that you had already been paid. Who asked you 
6 
for your name and telephone number? 
7 
A. 
Jeffrey said, Well, I'd like to see you again. 
8 
Can I have your number? From what I remember, I'm pretty 
9 
sure he asked me for my number and I gave him my number. 
10 
Q. 
Okay. 
11 
BY AGENT 
12 
Q. 
Did he write it down upstairs? He had a pen 
13 
handy, I hope? 
14 
A. 
Uh-huh. 
15 
BY MS. 
16 
Q. 
On that first massage, you said that you worked 
17 
on him topless. But when you first started, did you take 
18 
what were you wearing? 
19 
A. 
I was wearing a shirt, a normal shirt and 
20 
jeans. And I started to do a massage and I said well, I 
21 
heard you like topless massages. And, of course, he 
22 
thought I was 18. And he's like yeah, I do. I prefer 
23 
that. And who wouldn't, you know? So I said okay and I 
24 
took it off. 
25 
Q. 
And you took off your bra as well? 
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A. 
Yes. 
2 
Q. 
And you left your jeans on? 
3 
A. 
Yes. 
4 
Q. 
Okay. So you gave him a massage. Did he 
5 
request you do anything special in the massage? 
6 
A. 
No. 
7 
Q. 
And he never turned over in that first massage? 
8 
A. 
No. 
9 
Q. 
So you said that that day you gave your name 
10 
and number to Jeffrey. When was your next contact from 
11 
him or anybody who worked for him? 
12 
A. 
The next day, he had called me and he said 
13 
would like to come out again and I'd like to see you 
14 
again. I said sure. I took a taxi there and I went 
15 
there again. 
16 
Q. 
The following day? 
17 
A. 
The next day. 
18 
Q. 
Okay. And you said that Jeffrey is the person 
19 
who called you for that appointment? 
20 
A. 
No, Jeffrey did not, no. 
actually 
21 
called me. From what I remember, 
actually called 
22 
me. 
23 
Q. 
Okay. And she said Jeffrey says he wants to 
24 
see you again? 
25 
A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
And then you said you took a taxi? 
2 
A. 
Yes. 
3 
Q. 
Is that how you would normally get to and from 
4 
his house? 
5 
A. 
Uh-huh, if I didn't have friends because I 
6 
don't drive, yeah. 
7 
BY AGENT 
8 
Q. 
How did you get home the first time when 
9 ill' took you over? Did she get a taxi? 
10 
A. 
No, our friend came back and picked us up. 
11 
Q. 
Which friend was that? 
12 
A. 
His name was 
I don't know his last 
13 
name. I really didn't know 
and I didn't know her 
14 
friends or whatever, but I met Jeffrey. And once I met 
15 
Jeffrey, he was a very awesome guy and I just -- I don't 
16 
know. I ended up giving him my number so I could -- I 
17 
didn't want 
or 
to drive me anymore. I 
18 
would rather go to him on my own. 
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BY Ms. 
20 
Q. 
When you would take the taxis to and from, 
21 
would he pay for them? 
22 
A. 
Uh-huh. 
23 
Q. 
And he would pay when you arrived? 
24 
A. 
Uh-huh. 
25 
Q. 
And then he would just give you extra money 
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when you left to pay for the taxi? 
2 
A. 
No, no. I never asked him for extra money, so 
3 
I just paid for my own taxi. 
4 
Q. 
Okay. So from the money that he paid you for 
5 
the massage? 
6 
A. 
Two hundred, yeah. 
7 
Q. 
Where were you living at the time? 
8 
A. 
I was living at 
It's 
9 
located on-So 
I would take, you know, 
10 
straight IMMIdown 
to where I lived. 
11 
Q. 
Do you remember about how much that taxi fare 
12 
was each..? 
13 
A. 
Twenty dollars. 
14 
Q. 
And did you always use the same taxi service 
15 
or --
16 
A. 
No, I used different taxis all the time, so --
17 
Q. 
And you would just call and have them come to 
18 
your house? 
19 
A. 
Uh-huh. I used a whole bunch of different 
20 
taxis, whatever is available. 
21 
Q. 
So you mentioned that the second massage, was 
22 
it any different than the first one? 
23 
A. 
Yes. 
24 
Q. 
How was it different? 
25 
A. 
When I went there, I went there by myself. And 
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I went up to the massage room and Jeffrey was just like 
ogular like he was before on his stomach and he had a 
3 
towel over and we started the massage and I had my top 
4 
off willingly. And after the massage, he asks me the 
5 
whole time. He says, Are you comfortable with me doing 
6 
this and I said yes and he turned around. And this was 
7 
like at the end of the massage, our 30-minutes massage, 
8 
usually it was even shorter than that. And he 
9 
masturbated at the end of the massage and it was like two 
10 
seconds and I was just topless. 
11 
Q. 
And when he turned over, then did he touch you 
12 
at all or was he just --
13 
A. 
No. I did not touch him. He did not touch me. 
14 
He didn't even want --
15 
Q. 
You didn't like continue the massage while he 
16 
was masturbating or anything? 
17 
A. 
No. 
18 
Q. 
Okay. I cut you off. You said he didn't even? 
19 
A. 
He didn't want me to touch him and he didn't 
20 
touch me at all. 
21 
Q. 
Did he ever ask you to rub his chest or rub his 
22 
nipples during the massage? 
23 
A. 
Actually, later on -- because I saw him for a 
24 
long time. Later on, I asked him, you know, and I asked 
25 
him -- I would give him -- you know, I would rub his 
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chest or whatever and massage him while he was 
2 
masturbating, yeah. 
3 
Q. 
So eventually you would continue the massage 
4 
and he would masturbate at the same time? 
5 
A. 
Yeah, but it wasn't on his lower area. 
6 
Q. 
No, you never touched his penis? 
7 
A. 
Right. 
8 
Q. 
Okay. So that was during the second massage. 
9 
You were paid 8200 again? 
10 
A. 
Always. 
11 
Q. 
Always? Every time you went there? 
12 
A. 
Always. 
13 
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Q. 
Was it always 
that paid you? 
15 
A. 
Sometimes Jeffrey would and sometimes 
16 
would. 
17 
BY MS. 
18 
Q. 
Was it usually before or after the massage? 
19 
A. 
After the first time, it was always after. I 
20 
would go downstairs and I'd get paid. 
21 
Q. 
So just sort of tell us, when a massage ended, 
22 
which I assume was after he ejaculated? 
23 
A. 
It wasn't all the time that he did, though. 
24 
Q. 
Okay. 
25 
A. 
It wasn't like every time we went there he 
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released. Sometimes he just wanted his feet massaged. 
2 
Sometimes he just wanted a back massage. 
3 
Q. 
Okay. But when the massage was over however it 
4 
ended, you would just get dressed and go downstairs by 
5 
yourself or did take you downstairs? 
6 
A. 
Yeah. The chef would make us food and it'd be 
7 
great. And Jeffrey would get dressed and he'd come down 
8 
with us sometimes or, you know, it wasn't -- we had fun. 
9 
It was all positive. 
10 
Q. 
Okay. How many massages do you think that you 
11 
gave Jeffrey? 
12 
A. 
I gave Jeffrey a lot of massages. I can't tell 
13 
you. I saw him for a good year. 
14 
Q. 
And how many times 
would you see him weekly 
15 
or more than once a week? 
16 
A. 
Yeah. 
17 
Q. 
More than once a week? 
18 
A. 
I personally would or I'd bring girls. 
19 
Q. 
Okay. But either you would or either a girl 
20 
that you brought? 
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22 
23 
24 
25 
A. 
Yeah, uh-huh. 
Q. 
Okay. 
A. 
But after a while, it wasn't me anymore. I had 
brought girls, but I got paid $200 to bring girls. 
Q. 
Okay. So let's talk just about when you were 
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performing the massages. What other sorts of things 
2 
would happen? You said that sometimes he would just like 
3 
his feet massaged. What else would happen during those 
4 
massage sessions? 
5 
A. 
Nothing. Everything I told you. 
6 
Q. 
Okay. So sometimes a back massage? 
7 
A. 
Sometimes he liked back massages. Sometimes he 
8 
like feet massages. Sometimes he like his head massaged. 
9 
He liked his head massaged a lot. Sometimes leg 
10 
massages, yeah. And it wasn't every time that we went 
11 
there he masturbated. 
12 
Q. 
Okay. Any idea half and half or less than half 
13 
the time that he masturbated? 
14 
A. 
Less the time he masturbated. 
15 
Q. 
Did you always perform topless? Did you ever 
16 
get completely naked towards the end or in the middle and 
17 
remove all of your clothing? 
18 
A. 
I would wear panties. Willingly one time 
19 
because we were making jokes and everything and willingly 
20 
one time I had, yes, I was totally nude, but I was fine 
21 
with it. 
22 
Q. 
Okay. 
23 
A. 
Totally fine with it. 
24 
Q. 
And how did that massage go? 
25 
A. 
Actually, it was a foot massage and he was 
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