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drugs or alcohol that might have an affect on your 
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memory? 
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A. 
No. 
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Q. 
Are you having any physical problems that 
09:49:19 
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might make it difficult for you to understand or 
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properly respond to my questions? 
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A. 
No. 
09:49:24 
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Q. 
Did you get a good night's sleep last 
09:49:25 
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night? 
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A. 
Yes. 
09:49:28 
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Q. 
What is the general condition of your 
09:49:28 
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health? 
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A. 
As a result of some of the tensions caused 
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by these false accusations, I've had a recurrence of 
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my atrial fibrillation and a recurrence of some 
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experiences of high blood pressure. But beyond 
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that, my general health is satisfactory. 
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Q. 
Has any healthcare provider attributed the 
09:49:58 
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recurrence of your atrial fibrillation to 
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involvement in the circumstances that gave rise to 
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this litigation? 
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A. 
My cardiologist asked me whether or not 
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there were any tense or tension-causing episodes 
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recently that might explain my recurrence of the 
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atrial fibrillation. And in response I did describe 
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the current false accusations against me in an 
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attempt to destroy my reputation by false and 
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malicious charges, yes. 
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Q. 
What is the name of your cardiologist? 
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A. 
Jeremy Ruskin, R-U-S-K-I-N. He's the 
09:50:41 
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chief of electro cardio physiology at Massachusetts 
7 
General Hospital. 
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Q. 
Has any healthcare provider attributed 
09:50:53 
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your high blood pressure to events that are the 
10 
subject of this litigation? 
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A. 
Again, when I complained about high blood 
09:51:01 
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pressure, one of the first questions that I'm asked 
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is whether or not there's any tension or any tense 
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experiences occurring in my life and the doctor 
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who's treated me for high blood pressure is 
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Dr. Harold Solomon, S-O-'-O-M-O-N, in Brookline, 
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Massachusetts. 
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Q. 
Has Dr. Solomon -- 
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A. 
Right. 
09:51:27 
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Q. 
-- attributed your high blood pressure to 
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events related to this litigation? 
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A. 
I think all of my doctors have 
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concluded -- you'll have to ask them -- that this 
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lawsuit has been a contributing factor to some of 
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the health issues -- let me withdraw that. That the 
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false accusations against me from your client have 
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contributed to some of my health problems, yes. 
3 
Q. 
When did your atrial fibrillation recur? 
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A. 
About a month ago. About a month ago. 
09:52:07 
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I -- I could get you the exact date because I keep a 
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record with a small cardiogram of my afib pretty 
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much every day. 
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Q. 
When did your blood pressure increase as a 
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result of events related to this litigation? 
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A. 
Well, it's been up and down. I've had 
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recurring episodes of high blood pressure. And I 
12 
think particularly since the beginning of the false 
13 
charges, not the litigation, but it's the false 
14 
charges, the outrageous allegations, baseless 
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outrageous allegations against me have certainly 
16 
contributed in my view to my variation in blood 
17 
pressure, yes. 
18 
Q. 
When were you initially diagnosed with 
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atrial fibrillation? 
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A. 
About two and a half years ago I had -- 
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let's see, December -- two and a half years ago 
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December I was admitted to Mount Sinai Hospital with 
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an episode. It then basically went away. And then 
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it returned as atrial flutter. 
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And then I had an ablation, which cured or 
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relieved any symptoms of atrial fibrillation or 
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atrial flutter, until they recurred -- until it 
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recurred about a month or maybe it's a month and a 
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half now. I can give you the exact dates. Because, 
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as I say, I have it on my -- on my machine. 
6 
Q. 
When did the atrial flutter occur? 
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A. 
I told you that I don't have the exact 
09:54:20 
8 
date, but it occurred about a month, month and a 
9 
half ago, I think sometime in August of this year. 
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But I can give you the exact date. As I said, I 
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have it on my machine. 
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Q. 
So, what you have described as a 
09:54:33 
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recurrence of atrial fibrillation you are now 
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describing as an atrial flutter? 
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A. 
You're confused, sir. Please listen to my 
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answers. What I've said was that I had atrial 
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flutter. Atrial flutter occurred after my initial 
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atrial fib. I then had an ablation. The flutter 
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and the fib both disappeared after the ablation. 
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And my atrial fib has returned. 
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Q. 
Given your superb memory, would you please 
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name for us each of the lawyers who has represented 
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you in this case? 
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MR. SCOTT: Objection, form. 
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Argumentative. 
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If you need a document or anything to 
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refresh your memory, please let us know. 
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A. 
Well, I'll start with the names of my 
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lawyers. I've been represented by Judge Scott and 
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his law firm, including several associates and 
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paralegals. I don't know their status, whether 
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they're partners, associates or paralegals, but I've 
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had contact with them. 
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I have been represented by Mr. Simpson's 
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law firm, including several partners, associates, 
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and paralegals. I've been represented by Kenneth 
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Sweder and presumably some of his partners and 
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associates. 
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I've been represented by Kendall Coffey 
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and several of his associates and partners. I would 
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say those are my main lawyers. But I've also had 
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others. 
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I have sought the legal advice of Mark 
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Fabiani, who was my former research assistant at 
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Harvard. I've sought the advice of Mitchell Webber, 
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who was my former research assistant at Harvard. 
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I was offered legal advice by Carlos 
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Sires, who was -- who is a partner in the Boise firm 
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who -- who volunteered to represent me along with 
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one of his partners, but then withdraw from the 
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representation when he discovered that I had a 
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conflict of interest. 
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I've had consultations with a variety of 
09:57:18 
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other lawyers over particular issues in the case, 
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Floyd Abrams, who is probably the leading lawyer in 
6 
the world on First Amendment, has advised me on my 
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First Amendment rights to have said what I said 
8 
truthfully and expressed my opinion about your 
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clients. 
10 
I mean, that's the very beginning. But 
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when the events first occurred, I got calls from 
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dozens of lawyers outraged by the unethical conduct 
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of your clients and offering to represent me 
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pro bono, offering to do anything they could to see 
15 
that these lawyers were appropriately punished and 
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disciplined. 
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David Markus, for example, of the Miami 
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Bar called and keeps calling asking if there's 
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anything he can do to help me. 
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There's a lawyer in Broward named Diner, 
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who has offered to represent me. It goes on and on 
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and on. The offers are still coming in. People are 
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just absolutely outraged by the unprofessional and 
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unethical conduct of your clients and are offering 
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to help me right a wrong and undo an injustice. 
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MR. SCOTT: Just hold it. Somebody's 
09:59:00 
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making noise on the phone and it's causing a 
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little disruption here. So, you know, I'm not 
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sure who it is, one of you-all on the phone. 
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Thanks. 
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BY MR. SCAROLA: 
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Q. 
Mr. Scott is obviously still representing 
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you now; is that correct? 
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A. 
That's correct. 
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Q. 
Richard Simpson is still representing you 
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now; is that correct? 
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A. 
That's correct. 
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Q. 
Ken Sweder is representing you now; is 
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that correct? 
15 
A. 
That's correct, yes. 
09:59:30 
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Q. 
Is Kendall Coffey representing you now? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
Is Mark Fabiani representing you now? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
And when I ask "are they representing you 
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now," they're representing you now in this 
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litigation; is that correct? 
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MR. SCOTT: I don't think that -- 
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objection, form. I don't think that was 
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specified. 
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MR. SCAROLA: Well, that's why I'm asking. 
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MR. SCOTT: As opposed to general advice. 
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A. 
Yes. Yes. 
09:59:52 
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BY MR. SCAROLA: 
09:59:53 
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Q. 
And Mark Fabiani is representing you with 
09:59:53 
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regard to this litigation; is that correct? 
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A. 
Yes, yes. 
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Q. 
Floyd Abrams is representing you now with 
09:59:58 
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regard to this litigation; is that correct? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
Mitch Webber is representing you now with 
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regard to this litigation; is that correct? 
13 
A. 
That's correct, yes. 
10:00:06 
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Q. 
Is Steven Safra representing you with 
10:00:11 
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regard to this litigation? 
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A. 
Yes. 
10:00:15 
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Q. 
Is Mary Borja representing you now with 
10:00:15 
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regard to this litigation? 
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A. 
Yes. 
10:00:19 
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Q. 
Is Ashley Eiler representing you now with 
10:00:20 
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regard to this litigation? 
22 
A. 
That's not a name that immediately comes 
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to my head, but I believe it's an associate in one 
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of the law firms. I don't know the names of all the 
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lawyers who are doing the background work on the 
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case for the law firms. 
2 
Q. 
Is Nicole Richardson representing you now 
10:00:37 
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with regard to this litigation? 
4 
A. 
Again, yes, yes. 
10:00:41 
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Q. 
Is Gabe Groisman representing you now with 
10:00:46 
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regard to this litigation? 
7 
A. 
Yes. 
10:00:49 
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Q. 
Is Ben Brodsky representing you now with 
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regard to this litigation? 
10 
A. 
Ben Brodsky? I would have to check on 
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that. 
12 
Q. 
Is 
Neely representing you now with 
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regard to this litigation? 
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A. 
Neely has been my assistant and 
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paralegal for the last some years and I have used 
16 
her to perform paralegal work for me in this 
17 
litigation. 
18 
Q. 
Is Nicholas Maisel representing you now 
10:01:27 
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with regard to this litigation? 
20 
A. 
Nicholas Maisel is my research assistant 
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and paralegal on this litigation, yes. 
22 
Q. 
Is your wife representing you with regard 
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to this litigation? 
24 
A. 
My wife has been instrumental in helping 
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me gather all the records and information. She 
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knows more about records and where my records are 
2 
kept and I've asked her to perform paralegal service 
3 
in addition to her loving service as my wife. 
4 
Q. 
Is Harvey Silverglate representing you now 
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with regard to this litigation? 
6 
A. 
Yes. 
10:02:08 
7 
Q. 
Is Mark Fabiani representing you now with 
10:02:09 
8 
regard to this litigation? 
9 
A. 
You've asked me that question and the 
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answer is --
11 
Q. 
No, I asked you, sir, if he was your 
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lawyer; but I haven't asked you whether he's 
13 
representing you now with regard to this litigation. 
14 
A. 
The answer is yes. 
10:02:20 
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Q. 
Is Floyd Abrams representing you now with 
10:02:22 
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regard to this litigation? 
17 
A. 
Yes. 
10:02:25 
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Q. 
Is Jamin Dershowitz representing you now 
10:02:26 
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with regard to this litigation? 
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A. 
Yes. 
10:02:30 
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Q. 
Is Nancy Gertner representing you now with 
10:02:32 
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regard to this litigation? 
23 
A. 
That requires a lengthier answer, if you 
10:02:36 
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will permit me. 
25 
Q. 
I haven't stopped you yet. 
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A. 
You've tried. 
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Q. 
Much as I may have liked to. 
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A. 
You've tried. 
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MR. SCOTT: Mr. Scarola, that's probably 
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one of the few times you and I agree on 
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something. 
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MR. SCAROLA: No, we've agreed on a lot, 
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Tom. 
9 
MR. SCOTT: Yeah, we -- I'm kidding you. 
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I'm kidding you. 
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MR. SCAROLA: I know you are. 
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A. 
Nancy Gertner is one of the attorneys who 
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called me immediately and expressed outrage at what 
14 
was happening to me and offered to help me. 
15 
Initially she wanted to help me by calling your 
16 
client, Professor Cassell, and explaining to him 
17 
that what I've been accused of could not possibly 
18 
have happened and there must have been a mistake or 
19 
something. And clearly she had confused me with 
20 
someone else. 
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And as I understand it, Nancy Gertner made 
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that phone call to your client, Professor Cassell, 
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and Professor Cassell reiterated his false 
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accusation against me. 
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Thereafter, Nancy Gertner volunteered to 
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become part of my legal team and to examine some of 
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the witnesses in this case. 
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BY MR. SCAROLA: 
10:03:55 
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Q. 
Did you ever accept that offer from Nancy 
10:03:56 
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Gertner --
6 
A. 
Yes. 
10:03:59 
7 
Q. 
-- so as to establish an attorney-client 
10:03:59 
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relationship with --
9 
A. 
Yes. 
10:04:04 
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Q. 
So she is one of your lawyers -- 
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A. 
She is currently -- I regard her currently 
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as one of my lawyers, yes. 
13 
Q. 
And is Mitch Webber one of your lawyers in 
10:04:08 
14 
this case? 
15 
A. 
Yes. 
10:04:11 
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Q. 
But if I just give you a name without 
10:04:12 
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repeating the second part, "is that one of the 
18 
lawyers in your case," will you understand 
19 
A. 
I understand. 
10:04:21 
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Q. 
-- that I'm asking you with regard to 
10:04:22 
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these -- each of these individuals whether they are 
22 
a lawyer representing you in this case? 
23 
A. 
Yes. 
10:04:30 
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Q. 
Okay. Anthony Julius? 
10:04:30 
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A. 
Anthony Julius is a British barrister and 
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solicitor who I conferred with regarding the 
2 
possibility of filing lawsuits against your clients 
3 
in Great Britain. I continue to confer with him on 
4 
matters relating to defamation. 
5 
Q. 
So you consider him to be one of your 
10:04:54 
6 
lawyers representing you with regard to matters 
7 
relating to this lawsuit? 
8 
A. 
I'll stand by -- 
10:05:00 
9 
MR. SCOTT: Objection, form. 
10:05:01 
10 
A. 
-- my answer. I'll stand by my answer. 
10:05:02 
11 
BY MR. SCAROLA: 
10:05:04 
12 
Q. 
Charles Ogletree? 
10:05:05 
13 
A. 
Charles Ogletree is a close personal 
10:05:06 
14 
friend and colleague at the Harvard Law School with 
15 
whom I have conferred about this case. I always 
16 
have regarded him as a personal attorney and 
17 
continue to confer with him about this case and the 
18 
general picture. So, I do regard him as one of my 
19 
lawyers in this litigation, yes. I certainly regard 
20 
him as having been given privileged information as 
21 
part of a lawyer-client privilege, yes. 
22 
Q. 
There -- there may be a time when I need 
10:05:47 
23 
more than just an answer to the question that I'm 
24 
asking as to whether these individuals are or are 
25 
not your lawyers in this case. That's not now. 
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So if you would, please, I would 
10:06:01 
2 
appreciate it if you would tell me only whether 
3 
these individuals are or are not your lawyers in 
4 
this case. 
5 
A. 
I'm sorry, but I cannot comply with that. 
10:06:09 
6 
I'm --
7 
Q. 
Well, you can but you refuse to. 
10:06:12 
8 
MR. SCOTT: Let's not interrupt him. 
10:06:14 
9 
A. 
Let me complete my answer, please. 
10:06:16 
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MR. SCOTT: It doesn't help the court 
10:06:17 
11 
reporter or the record. 
12 
A. 
I've been teaching legal ethics for close 
10:06:19 
13 
to 40 years. I understand the complexity of the 
14 
lawyer-client relationship. And it's impossible as 
15 
to some of the names you've mentioned to simply give 
16 
a yes or no answer to whether they are representing 
17 
me in this case. 
18 
What I can do is give you the facts and 
10:06:39 
19 
then you and others can draw legal conclusions from 
20 
those facts. But I -- I cannot, under my oath to 
21 
tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the 
22 
truth, respond to questions with yes or no answers 
23 
when those questions do not call for simplistic yes 
24 
or no answers. 
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BY MR. SCAROLA: 
Q. 
Is Philip Heymann a lawyer representing 
you in this case? 
A. 
I have conferred with Philip Heymann on 
several occasions about several aspects of this case 
and I regard him, for purposes of lawyer-client 
privilege, as one of my lawyers on this case. 
Q. 
David Oscar Markus, same question? 
MR. SCOTT: We covered him, didn't we? 
A. 
David Oscar Markus is a former student and 
research assistant of mine. Lives in Miami and 
practices law. And he has repeatedly called and 
offered me legal representation. Has offered to 
help me in the legal context of this case. And I've 
conferred with him on lawyer-client confidential 
basis about this case on several occasion. 
BY MR. SCAROLA: 
Q• 
Thomas Wiegand? 
A. 
Thomas Wiegand is a litigator in Chicago 
with whom I worked along with Carlos Sires and 
Sigrid McCawley on the Guma Aguiar case in Florida. 
And as soon as this case occurred, Thomas Wiegand 
was one of those lawyers who called and offered to 
represent me and do whatever he could to help undo 
the injustice that had been perpetrated on me by 
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10:07:18 
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your clients' false and mendacious allegations 
2 
regarding me and 
3 
Q. 
Jeanne Baker? 
10:08:30 
4 
A. 
Jeanne Baker is a long-term associate, 
10:08:32 
5 
legal associate and friend who also called and 
6 
offered me legal help, legal representation, and I 
7 
continue to confer with her on a privileged basis. 
8 
Q. 
Rick Pildes? 
10:08:51 
9 
A. 
Rick Pildes is a professor at New York 
10:08:53 
10 
University law school and I sought his legal advice 
11 
on a particular issue in this case. And continue to 
12 
seek his legal advice. 
13 
Q. 
Susan Rosen? 
10:09:03 
14 
A. 
Susan Rosen is a prominent lawyer in 
10:09:04 
15 
Charleston, South Carolina and a cousin of my 
16 
wife's. And she has offered me legal advice about 
17 
this case as recently as two days ago. 
18 
Q. 
Alex MacDonald? 
10:09:24 
19 
A. 
Alex MacDonald is my personal lawyer in 
10:09:25 
20 
several instances in Massachusetts and he has 
21 
offered me advice and consultation on this case, 
22 
again volunteering in an effort to undo the horrible 
23 
injustice that was done to me by your clients' 
24 
mendacious willful and unprofessional conduct and 
25 
leveling of false charges, sexual misconduct against 
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me at a time when they knew it wasn't true and 
2 
seeking to repeat that charge after they knew that 
3 
it was impossible that I could have engaged in any 
4 
of the conduct that they have accused me of. 
5 
Q. 
Barbara Gillers? 
10:10:05 
6 
A. 
Barbara Gillers is at professor at NYU law 
10:10:06 
7 
school and also the wife of Steven Gillers and she, 
8 
along with Steven Gillers, have advised me and 
9 
conferred with me about the legal ethics aspects of 
10 
this case. 
11 
Q. 
So you consider her to be one of your 
10:10:19 
12 
lawyers in this case, is that --
13 
A. 
I can -- 
10:10:22 
14 
MR. SCOTT: Object to the form. Go ahead. 
10:10:23 
15 
Let me make an objection. I know you're just 
16 
trying to answer, but go ahead, you can answer, 
17 
sir. 
18 
A. 
Sorry. I regard my conversations with her 
10:10:29 
19 
as having come within the lawyer-client privilege. 
20 
We've conferred on a number of occasions about the 
21 
ethical misconduct of your clients. 
22 
BY MR. SCAROLA: 
10:10:43 
23 
Q. 
Rana Dershowitz? 
10:10:43 
24 
A. 
Rana Dershowitz is my niece and Harvard 
10:10:45 
25 
law school graduate, former chief counsel for the 
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U.S. Olympic Committee and a prominent lawyer in 
2 
Colorado. And I've conferred with her on numerous 
3 
occasions about litigation and strategy and aspects 
4 
of this case. 
5 
Q. 
Ella Dershowitz? 
10:11:05 
6 
A. 
Ella Dershowitz is my daughter and she has 
10:11:06 
7 
served as a paralegal helping me gather material. I 
8 
don't think I regard her -- I certainly don't regard 
9 
her as a lawyer in the case. But I regard her as 
10 
somebody who has been a part of our kind of legal 
11 
team. 
12 
Q. 
Ellen Dershowitz? 
10:11:29 
13 
A. 
Ellen -- 
10:11:32 
14 
Q. 
Elon? 
10:11:33 
15 
A. 
Elon Dershowitz is my oldest son, child, 
10:11:34 
16 
and he has served repeatedly in a paralegal capacity 
17 
in this case helping me to gather information and 
18 
evidence and doing some investigative work for me. 
19 
Q. 
Nathan Dershowitz? 
10:11:52 
20 
A. 
Nathan Dershowitz is my brother. He's a 
10:11:52 
21 
distinguished attorney in New York, had his own law 
22 
firm. And he and I did a lot of our legal cases 
23 
together and as soon as this case emerged, I 
24 
conferred with him and have conferred with him on 
25 
numerous occasions about this case. 
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Q. 
You consider him to be one of your lawyers 
10:12:14 
2 
in this case? 
3 
A. 
Yes. 
10:12:16 
4 
Q. 
Ben Brafman? 
10:12:17 
5 
A. 
Ben Brafman is one of the leading criminal 
10:12:19 
6 
lawyers and general lawyers in the City of New York? 
7 
He has volunteered to help me in any way he could in 
8 
this case and we have conferred and I have sought 
9 
legal advice from him in this 
in this matter. 
10 
Q. 
Arthur Aidala? 
10:12:36 
11 
A. 
Arthur Aidala is a distinguished member of 
10:12:38 
12 
the who's president of the Brooklyn Bar Association 
13 
and a former district attorney in Brooklyn. He has 
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volunteered to help me. He was outraged at the 
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unethical behavior of your clients and has sought 
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the opportunity to do everything in his power to try 
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to undo the injustice perpetrated on me by your 
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clients' mendacious and false and unethical 
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allegations against me, and I continue to confer 
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with him. 
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Q. 
David Zornow? 
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A. 
David Zornow is the senior litigating 
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partner at Skadden Arps in New York. He has offered 
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to assist me in this matter and I've conferred with 
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him and sought his legal advice. 
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Q. 
Charles Johnson? 
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A. 
Charles Johnson is my former research 
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assistant and paralegal. I think we've taken his 
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name off the list of lawyers because he now, I 
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think, performs more of a journalistic job than a 
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legal one, though he has offered to help me gather 
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information on your clients. 
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Q. 
When did you cease considering Charles 
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Johnson to be your lawyer with regard to matters 
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relating to this case? 
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A. 
After a conference with my attorneys in 
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Washington, D.C. about ten days ago or so. We went 
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through the list and that was one that I said was 
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too close a question and I would regard him more as 
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a blogger and a journalist than as a lawyer. But 
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it's a close question. 
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Q. 
David Efron? 
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A. 
David Efron is a prominent lawyer in 
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Miami, Florida and Puerto Rico. He was one who 
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called me immediately and offered his assistance, 
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the assistance of his law firm. I've conferred with 
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him repeatedly about this case. 
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Q. 
In an attorney-client capacity; is that 
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correct? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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