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Q. 
Okay. 
If something happens, they know who is 
on the plane? 
A. 
Exactly, weight and balance. 
Q. 
Have you ever kept any flight logs that have 
names of people on the airplane? 
A. 
When you say "kept,' I have filled out flight 
logs or the passenger manifest, yes. 
Q. 
By "kept' I meant maintained to where they're 
in your possession either on paper or computer? 
A. 
We keep --
MR. REINHART: 
Can you differentiate a flight 
log from the pilot's log that we showed you 
earlier? 
MR. EDWARDS: 
Okay. 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
Q. 
I'm talking about -- I don't know that it's 
called a flight log, a pilot's log or any kind of log. 
A. 
They are different, yes. 
Q. 
Yeah. 
I'm asking about, have you kept or do 
you have any documentation that would indicate the names 
of passengers that have flown on any of Jeffrey 
Epstein's planes? 
A. 
No. 
Q. 
Either in the form of paper or on a computer? 
A. 
No. 
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Q. 
Makes that easy. 
A. 
Okay. 
Q. 
In 1991, were you the chief pilot? 
A. 
No. 
Q. 
Somebody else was the chief pilot? 
A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
Who's that? 
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Dave Rogers. 
Q. 
All right. 
At what point in time did you 
become chief pilot and switched with Dave Rogers? 
A. 
Six years ago; five, six years ago. 
Q. 
Why? 
A. 
Professionalism, technique. 
Q. 
What do you mean by that? 
A. 
The way Dave would operate an aircraft, 
Jeffrey knew the difference when I was flying and when 
Dave was flying. 
Q. 
How do you know he knew the difference? 
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Just --
Q. 
He told you? 
A. 
Yes. 
He knew the difference that if he never 
came up front, he knew who was flying, who landed. 
Q. 
And what was the conversation that he had with 
you that resulted in you becoming chief pilot, switching 
positions with Dave Rogers? 
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A. 
Jeffrey would always critique Dave's flying 
capabilities, and I tried to help Dave and explain to 
him what Jeffrey likes and doesn't like. 
And Jeffrey's 
also conveyed these likes and dislikes. 
And Dave 
maintained continuing with certain piloting techniques 
that were just not comfortable to passengers. 
And this 
went on through the years, and Jeffrey just got tired of 
it one day. 
Q. 
What specifically were Jeffrey Epstein's likes 
and dislikes with respect to the flight of the plane? 
MR. CRITTON: 
Let me put in a form here. 
But 
I don't know what this has to do with anything in 
this case. 
MR. EDWARDS: 
I understand that, Bob. 
MR. CRITTON: 
I want to use this for some 
other depositions where we -- we've gone beyond the 
scope. 
THE WITNESS: 
The case in point, the last 
straw was there was a technique called quiet flying 
where you would retard the throttles well short of 
the runway and pretty much glide the airplane in. 
Well, if you don't do that correctly, you have to 
spool the engines up just prior to touching down 
that -- because you're losing air speed and it's an 
uncomfortable sound and feeling for the passengers 
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thinking that you're not going to make the runway. 
And it was a continuous practice of Dave doing that 
to be neighbor friendly as opposed to being 
passenger-comfort friendly. 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
Q. 
Okay. 
A. 
Hence, the transfer of power. 
Q. 
Has he ever discussed with you where he wants 
you to be, whether that is "stay in the cockpit when I 
have people on the airplane," or don't intermingle with 
the passengers or anything else? 
A. 
He's never stated that to us. 
MR. REINHART: Could you clarify which "he" 
you're talking about? 
MR. EDWARDS: I'm talking about Jeffrey 
Epstein. 
MR. REINHART: Okay. 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
Q. 
You understood that? 
A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
It's my understanding that in the -- well, 
tell me other than the Hawker, what other airplanes have 
you flown for Jeffrey Epstein? 
A. 
A Gulfstream. 
Q. 
Does he still have that plane? 
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Yes, sir. 
Q. 
How big of a plane is that? 
A. 
Large corporate jet. 
Q. 
How long has he had it? 
A. 
Fourteen years; 13, 14 years. 
Q. 
And other than the Gulfstream, what other 
airplanes does he have? 
A. 
When you say 'he," obviously, these are 
company-owned --
Q. 
Jeffrey Epstein or his companies. 
A. 
A Boeing 727. 
Q. 
Well, I know that's a very large airplane. 
think that's been described by other people, so I'm not 
going to have you do that. 
But there's partitions in 
that airplane -- in the back rooms of that airplane, 
right? 
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Yes. 
Q. 
Several different partitions to where if the 
pilot comes out of the cockpit, you don't necessarily 
see all the passengers? 
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Yes. 
Q. 
That's true? 
A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
Okay. 
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hear you. 
THE WITNESS: Oh. 
MR. REINHART: 
And so Mr. Willits can hear 
you. 
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Other than the Gulfstream and the Boeing and 
the Hawker, what other airplanes has Jeffrey Epstein 
owned over the years? 
A. 
That is it. 
Q. 
And currently still owns -- or the companies 
associated with him own the Gulfstream and the Boeing? 
A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
And in the past two years, have you flown 
those two airplanes? 
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Just for routine flights to keep them loose 
or, you know -- you know what I mean. 
Q. 
Have those two airplanes been flown by anyone 
else in the last two years? 
A. 
No. 
Q. 
Have those two airplanes been flown in the 
last two years for any reason other than routine 
maintenance-type flights? 
A. 
We've had one -- two flights I think in the 
past two years. 
Q. 
And what were the purposes of those flights 
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and who was on the flights? 
A. 
One flight I believe we went to Sebring and 
another flight we went to Nassau, Bahamas. 
Q. 
And who did you go to Nassau, Bahamas with? 
A. 
I'd have to look at the flight log, but I 
think it was 
, I believe. 
I think 
that was the three passengers, to the best of my 
knowledge. 
Q. 
And it's my understanding that little 
St. James is an island that Jeffrey Epstein owns or 
controls? 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
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I don't know that he owns it. 
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O. 
Has he ever been to an island called Little 
St. James? 
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Yes. 
Q. 
And have you been there with Jeffrey Epstein? 
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I've been there when he was there. 
Q. 
Have you flown on an airplane with him to that 
destination? 
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No. 
Q. 
All right. 
When you say you've been there 
when he was there, how did that come about? 
A. 
We flew into St. Thomas and then we flew to 
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Little St. James in a helicopter. 
Q. 
And do you fly the helicopter as well? 
A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
How many helicopters are owned or controlled 
by Jeffrey Epstein and/or corporations associated with 
him? 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
THE WITNESS: At this time, one. 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
Q. 
And has that helicopter been flown in the last 
two years? 
A. 
Just for routine maintenance. 
Q. 
And when you and -- let's say when 
and 
and 
flew to Nassau, do 
you know the purpose of that trip? 
A. 
No. 
Q. 
How long did you stay? 
A. 
Five hours. 
Q. 
Did you pick anybody up there? 
A. 
No. 
Meaning passengers? 
Q. 
Yes. 
A. 
No. 
Q. 
What happened? 
You landed the airplane and 
then what? 
A. 
The passengers left. Dave and I went and had 
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lunch. 
The passengers showed up and we came back. 
Q. 
Have you ever stayed at the home that is on 
Little St. James? 
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No. 
Q. 
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Have you known Jeffrey Epstein to stay at that 
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I don't know that for a fact. 
Q. 
Okay. Do you believe that he is the owner or 
controller or has some interest in the home or the 
island of Little St. James? 
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being a fact. 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
Q. 
And you have no belief that that is a fact? 
A. 
Exactly. 
Q. 
When you say you've been there when he was 
there, how many times has that occurred? 
A. 
Estimating, a hundred times. 
Q. 
Okay. 
A. 
Trying to give an honest answer. 
Q. 
Okay. 
And in the approximate -- I'm not going 
to hold you to a hundred times, but in the approximately 
hundred times --
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Sure. 
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-- for what period of time are we talking 
about? 
A. 
During what period of time? 
Q. 
Right. 
A. 
Let's see, when did all this happen? 
What, 
2007? So eight years prior to whenever he stopped 
flying. 
Q. 
'98/'99? 
A. 
Yeah, I guess, yes. 
Q. 
I mean, that sounds like a right 
A. 
Sounds about right, yeah. 
Don't hold me to it 
again. 
Q. 
All right. 
A. 
You're going back a long way. 
Q. 
So from approximately the '98/'99 time frame 
when Jeffrey Epstein would fly to Little St. James, 
would you be the pilot? 
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Yes. 
Q. 
Okay. 
And you say that you've been there -- I 
thought that you just told me that you've been there the 
same time he was there, but then I thought the 
subsequent question was well, were you on the flight 
with him, and I thought your answer was no. 
Maybe I 
misunderstood that. 
A. 
No, you said the question "Have you ever flown 
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to his island?" 
We never landed on his island. 
We 
landed in St. Thomas. 
Q. 
Got it. 
A. 
I was just trying to be exact. 
Q. 
Thank you. 
A. 
It's a small island. 
Q. 
Okay. So how is it that when Mr. Epstein 
"ants to go to Little St. James, what is the path that 
take to get actually to the island of Little 
St. James? 
A. 
I don't understand the question. 
Q. 
Well, you just told me you fly the airplane to 
St. Thomas? 
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Right. 
Q. 
And then what? 
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Then sometimes I would go get the helicopter 
or he could also take a boat to the island. 
But 
normally the helicopter's located on St. Thomas. 
I'd 
fire up the helicopter, come pick him up, drop him at 
the island and I come back to St. Thomas. 
Q. 
And when he stays on St. James, you drop him 
off on St. James. 
I suppose you're going to tell me you 
don't know if he stays there or not? 
A. 
Exactly. 
Q. 
But do you stay --
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I don't. 
I mean --
Q. 
Well, he either stays there or someone else 
picks him up in a helicopter or he swims away? 
A. 
Correct. 
Q. 
Okay. 
You stay on St. Thomas? 
A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
Okay. 
Is there a place that you've stayed on 
St. James, ever? 
A. 
No, I've never. 
Q. 
So in the hundred or more times that you've 
been to the island, is it my understanding that each of 
those times you've been there to drop off Jeffrey 
Epstein and/or any passengers and you've immediately 
left and gone to St. Thomas? 
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Yes, sir. 
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You never been inside that home that's located 
on St. James? 
A. 
Yes, I've been inside the home. 
Q. 
How many times have you been inside the home? 
A. 
I mean, ten, fifteen times. 
Q. 
And for what occasion? 
A. 
I've set up the theater system that's in the 
living room. 
Q. 
Okay. 
A. 
So it would be there to work to hook up a TV 
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or a stereo. 
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And do you know Les Wexler? 
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No, I don't. 
Q. 
Have you ever met him before? 
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I have met him. 
Q. 
Do you know of any relationship between Les 
Wexler and Jeffrey Epstein? 
A. 
I don't know what -- to what extent they have 
a relationship, no. 
Q • 
Do you know if they know one another? 
A. 
I don't know that for a fact. They talk to 
one another, so I would assume. But I don't know to --
Q • 
How do you know they talk to one another? 
A. 
I've seen them speak to one another at the 
foot of the airplane. 
Q. 
All right. 
Have you ever flown the 
airplane 
any of the airplanes with Les Wexler as a 
passenger? 
A. 
No. 
Q. 
Have you ever flown the airplanes with -
as a passenger? 
A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
And do you know 
A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
And for how long have you known 
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A. 
I'm guessing, six years. 
I mean, don't hold 
me to it. 
I'm not the greatest on length of times, but 
six, seven years, I think. 
Q. 
How did you meet her? 
A. 
I guess I was introduced. She was on a flight 
of ours 
Q. 
You were introduced to her by whom? 
A. 
She may have introduced herself. 
I mean, 
you're going back a ways. 
I don't know the official 
introduction, how it went. 
Q. 
And to your knowledge, what is her -- is she 
associated or affiliated in some way with Jeffrey 
Epstein? 
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THE WITNESS: 
I would assume so. 
I don't know 
to what level or what actually her job description 
is 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
Q. 
All right. 
Well, how many flights have you 
flown where she and Jeffrey Epstein have been passengers 
together on one of the airplanes that we've been 
discussing? 
A. 
I'd only be guessing again. 
Q. 
We're talking hundreds of flights, though? 
A. 
Sure, sure, a lot of flights. 
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Q. 
It seems to be -- I mean, you seem like 
somebody who has common sense. 
It seems like somebody 
that knows Jeffrey Epstein? 
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Correct, 
A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
All right. 
And do you believe that there is a 
business relationship there or a personal relationship 
there, from your observations? 
A. 
I'd only be speculating. 
When they get on the 
airplane, my focus is forward and flying safely. 
So I 
don't -- you know, I'd only be guessing at either one of 
those two. 
Q. 
Okay. 
Have you ever socialized with 
A. 
No. 
Q. 
Other than speaking with her on the airplane, 
have you spoken with her elsewhere? 
A. 
Over the phone, in passing, I mean, walking 
down the street in New York. 
I mean, yes. 
Q. 
Why would you call 
or why would 
she call you? 
A. 
She would call me to schedule the aircraft for 
a departure. 
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Q. 
And have you ever called her? 
A. 
Yes. 
O. 
When's the last time you talked to 
A. 
A week ago. 
O. 
What was the occasion? 
A. 
We were discussing carpet for one of the 
aircraft. 
Q. 
And where was she when you were talking with 
her? 
for? 
A. 
I don't know. 
It was over the phone. 
Q. 
Did she call you or you call her? 
A. 
No, I called her on her cell. 
Q. 
Okay. 
And that's a New York number? 
A. 
I don't know. 
It's on speed dial. 
Q. 
Do you have your phone with you? 
A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
Could you tell me what that number is? 
A. 
Sure. 
Q. 
Thanks. 
A. 
Sure. 
Q. 
Which airplane were you discussing carpeting 
A. 
Was actually -- actually, it was for the 
helicopter. 
Now that I'm thinking about it, the 
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helicopter. 
Q. 
In the last two years, did you tell me the 
helicopter has flown? 
A. 
Yes. 
O. 
And where to? 
A. 
I have flown the helicopter to Fort Lauderdale 
on several occasions for maintenance. 
I've flown it to 
Miami. 
And I try to fly the helicopter at least every 
two weeks just either by myself to run it up to its --
it's important that it keeps moving. 
Q. 
Other than maintenance-type flights, have you 
flown the helicopter in the last couple of years? 
A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
And who was on the helicopter? 
A. 
I flew to Miami with Mr. Epstein. 
Q. 
When was that? 
A. 
It was a couple weeks ago or a month ago, I 
think. 
Q. 
For what? 
A. 
Sorry? 
Q. 
For what occasion? 
A. 
I think he had a meeting with his attorneys in 
Miami. 
Q • 
Today is October the 15th. 
Is this during the 
month of October that you had this flight in the 
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you. 
A. 
I'd have to look at the book to be exact for 
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Okay. But it's either the end of September or 
the beginning of October? 
A. 
Yeah. 
Q. 
How do you know that he was meeting with his 
attorneys? 
A. 
I believe that he had mentioned that he was 
meeting his attorneys. 
Q. 
Did he tell you why? 
A. 
No. 
Q. 
Why did he tell you he was meeting with his 
attorneys? 
Did you ask him? 
A. 
No. 
Q. 
Okay. That's just something that he said to 
you in conversation? 
A. 
Yes, sir. 
Q. 
Was there anyone else on the airplane besides 
you and Mr. Epstein? 
A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
Who was that? 
A. 
Q. 
who? 
A. 
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How long have you known 
A. 
I don't know, five years. 
A guess again, 
four, five years. 
Q. 
Do you know what her relationship is, if any, 
with Jeffrey Epstein? 
A. 
I do not know. 
Q. 
Do you know if she knows Jeffrey Epstein? 
A. 
I would assume so. 
They talk. 
I would 
imagine she knows him. 
Q. 
And how many times has she been on the 
airplane or the helicopter on flights at the same time 
as a passenger with Jeffrey Epstein? 
A. 
Many. 
I'd have to look at the logs. 
Q. 
Hundreds of times? 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
THE WITNESS: Sure. 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
Q. 
If you were going to, as somebody who has been 
Jeffrey Epstein's pilot for 18 years, tell me today who 
the five closest people are to Jeffrey Epstein, would 
be one of them? 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
THE WITNESS: I'd only be guessing and 
speculating. 
I have no idea. 
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BY MR. EDWARDS: 
Q. 
Okay. 
Well, as his pilot and the person who 
travels with Jeffrey Epstein on the majority of his 
flights, who are the people who travel most frequently 
with Jeffrey Epstein? 
A. 
I'd have to look at the logs. 
MR. REINHART: Can we get a time period? 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
Q. 
In the last ten years, which people travel 
most frequently with him? 
A. 
I'd have to look at the flight logs to give 
you an accurate answer. 
Q. 
You can't give me one single name of somebody 
who you would say is a frequent flyer? 
A. 
Q. 
A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
Anybody else? 
A. 
Q. 
A. 
Yeah. 
Q. 
Okay. 
Anybody else? 
A. 
Just mainly those two. 
Q. 
How about Ghislaine Maxwell? 
A. 
Not for some time. 
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