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IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE FIFTEENTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT 
IN AND FOR PALM BEACH COUNTY, FLORIDA 
CASE NO. 50200BCA028051XXXXMB AD 
Plaintiff, 
JEFFREY EPSTEIN, 
Defendant. 
DEPOSITION OF LARRY VISOSKI 
Thursday, October 15, 2009 
10:18 - 3:37 p.m. 
515 N. Flagler Drive 
Suite P200 
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 
Reported By: 
Wendy Beath Anderson, RPR, CRR, FPR 
Notary Public, State of Florida 
Esquire Deposition Services 
West Palm Beach Office 
Job 8127542 
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APPEARANCES: 
On behalf of the Plaintiff: 
BRADLEY J. EDWARDS, ESQUIRE 
ROTHSTEIN, ROSENFELDT, ADLER 
401 East Las Olas Boulevard 
Suite 1650 
Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33394 
On behalf of the Defendant: 
ROBERT D. CRITTON, JR., ESQUIRE 
BURMAN, CRITTON & LUTTIER 
303 Banyan Boulevard, Suite 400 
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 
On behalf of the Witness: 
BRUCE REINHART, ESQUIRE 
250 South Australian Avenue 
Suite 1400 
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 
ALSO PRESENT: 
CARA L. HOLMES, ESQUIRE 
1220 N.W. 157th Avenue 
Pembroke Pines, Florida 33028 
ADAM D. HOROWITZ, ESQUIRE 
MERMELSTEIN & HOROWITZ, P.A. 
18205 Biscayne Boulevard, Suite 2218 
Miami, Florida 33160 
RICHARD H. WILLITS, ESQUIRE (VIA TELEPHONE) 
RICHARD H. WILLITS, P.A. 
2290 10th Avenue North, Suite 404 
Lake Worth, Florida 33461 
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WITNESS: 
LARRY VISOSKI 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
BY MR. CRITTON: 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
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PROCEED
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Deposition taken before Wendy Beath Anderson, 
Certified Realtime Reporter and Notary Public in and for 
the State of Florida at Large, in the above cause. 
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MR. EDWARDS: We're going to put something on 
the record about -- well, we'll do it this way --
MR. REINHART: Do it at the end, after we get 
him -- whatever you want. 
It's your show 
MR. EDWARDS: Okay. There were 
don't 
even think Mr. Willits is aware of this. There was 
a subpoena duces tecum for this witness, as well as 
the previous witness, which was another pilot, Dave 
Rogers, and that duces tecum was to bring the 
flight logs related from 1998 through 2005. What 
was produced at the previous deposition were flight 
logs from 2002 through 2005, and now Mr. Reinhart 
has agreed to produce the remainder of the flight 
logs requested, those going from 1998 through 2002. 
MR. REINHART: Correct. They're pilot logs, 
not flight logs. There are other records we 
indicated are corporate records, and with those you 
have to deal with Mr. Critton. 
MR. CRITTON: However, with the proviso, too, 
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that we're going to work out that these records are 
to be used within the confines of this litigation 
and not to be spread to the press or anyone else, 
because they do contain confidential information as 
to who may have been on the plane and other records 
of Mr. Rogers, which but for the subpoena would 
have been only available to the FAA or some other 
law enforcement agencies. 
MR. EDWARDS: 
Okay. 
Is that all you want to 
put on? 
MR. CRITTON: 
Yes. 
MR. EDWARDS: 
I'm not saying I necessarily 
agree or disagree with you. 
That's something that 
we'll deal with some other day. 
MR. CRITTON: 
Bruce, you'd better produce 
these records, but there has to be some sort of 
understanding before --
MR. REINHART: 
Correct. 
MR. EDWARDS: 
I won't do anything until you 
file whatever you 
until we work whatever it is 
out in court. 
I'll say that on the record, that 
I'm not doing anything with the records outside of 
my office until some judge deals with it. 
MR. REINHART: 
And for the record, I'll adopt 
what Mr. Critton said on this one limited occasion. 
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MR. EDWARDS: All right. 
Thereupon, 
(LARRY VISOSKI) 
having been first duly sworn or affirmed, was examined 
and testified as follows: 
THE WITNESS: 
Yes, I do. 
DIRECT EXAMINATION 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
Q. 
Can you tell us your name for the record. 
A. 
Lawrence Visoski, Jr. 
Q. 
And Mr. Visoski, have you ever had your 
deposition taken before? 
A. 
No. 
Q. 
Okay. 
Here's the process: I'm going to ask 
you questions. You're going to give us answers. Try to 
give us answers that we all understand and that the 
court reporter can take down, such as yes, no, or some 
other verbal answer that we can understand. It's easy 
when we get in a casual conversation to nod or shake 
your head, and the court reporter is not writing 
pictures or anything else. 
A. 
I understand. 
Q. 
The other thing is, and I've been accused of 
this in other depositions -- I don't know if it's true 
or not -- but I need to wait until you finish answering 
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the question and you need to wait until I finish asking 
the question. 
A. 
So you're not allowed to interrupt me? 
Q. 
And you're not allowed to interrupt me. 
A. 
Like I just did? 
Q. 
Right. 
MR. CRITTON: Cara just snickered when you 
said you've been accused because she recognizes 
it's true. 
MR. EDWARDS: 
I don't know what the meaning of 
her snickering was. 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
Q. 
But for what it's worth, if you don't 
understand the question or I've asked a bad question, I 
don't want you to guess. Give me the best answer to the 
best of your knowledge and if you need me to rephrase 
it, I will. 
A. 
Okay. 
Q. 
A. 
Okay. Tell me your current address. 
Q. 
How long have you lived there? 
A. 
Approximately nine years. 
Q. 
Okay. 
Who do you live there with? 
A. 
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Q. 
A. 
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Who's your employer right now? 
A. 
NES, LLC. 
Q. 
How long has NES, LLC been your employer? 
A. 
I'm guessing. 
I'd say back 1991. 
I have to 
do the math, but 17, 18 years. 
Q. 
Has that been your only employer since 1991? 
A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
And has that been your only source of income 
since 1991? 
A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
And what is NES, LLC? 
A. 
I don't really know. 
I mean, it's the company 
that my check comes from. 
Q. 
What do you do for NES, LLC that results in 
them paying you? 
A. 
I am chief pilot for the aircraft and 
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helicopters. 
Q. 
And do you have a specific boss or somebody 
you answer to at NES, LLC? 
A. 
Several people would call to schedule flights 
from the office, being it either Mr. Epstein or, you 
<now, I would just get a phone call and they would 
schedule a trip. 
Q. 
Okay. 
Aside from Mr. Epstein, who else would 
there be that would call to schedule flights? 
A. 
Leslie. 
Q. 
Leslie who? 
A. 
Leslie Gruff. 
Q. 
When's the last time you talked to Leslie 
Gruff? 
A. 
Probably two weeks ago, three weeks ago. 
Q. 
And where is she currently? 
A. 
I believe in New York, is where I spoke to her 
on the phone last. 
Q. 
What's the telephone number you call to reach 
Leslie Gruff? 
A. 
Q. 
And what address is Leslie Gruff at? 
A. 
Do you mean where the office is located? 
Q. 
Correct. 
A. 
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Q. 
And it's my understanding from other 
depositions that there are also apartments in that 
building? 
A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
And Mr. Epstein either owns or leases or rents 
certain of those apartments. 
Is that your 
understanding? 
MR. CRITTON: Form; speculation. 
THE WITNESS: I'm only speculating. 
I 
don't -- to my understanding, I don't know. 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
Q. 
Do you know other people that live in that 
building? 
A. 
Well, it would be myself, Dave Rogers -- well, 
when you say "live,' explain. 
Q. 
When you're saying yourself and Dave Rogers --
A. 
See, we don't live there. 
I mean, we have --
we would stay there when we would have a trip. 
Q. 
Okay. 
When you would fly up to New York and 
land in New York, the place where you would stay, is 
that 
A. 
Yes, that's correct. 
Q. 
That's also a location you've indicated in 
this deposition that is the office for NES, LLC? 
A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
What floor or suite number is NES, LLC in? 
A. 
I believe -- well, I don't know that NES, LLC 
has an office there. 
I know that's where Leslie has the 
phone number where I call. So I don't know for a fact 
If NES, LLC has an office there. 
Q. 
And what suite number, then, would Leslie 
:ruff sit in to answer that telephone number at 
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I think it's III. 
Q. 
And when you stay at 
what suite number or what apartment number do you stay 
in? 
A. 
Q. 
And how about Dave Rogers, where does he stay? 
A. 
I'm guessing, because it's been some time 
since we've been there, 10B, but don't quote me on it. 
Q. 
Who are the other people in that building that 
you know to stay there on a regular -- fairly regular 
basis? 
A. 
I've seen people in the elevator that, you 
know, have been on the airplane. Case in point, maybe 
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but I don't know for a fact that she lives 
there, or anybody else for that matter. 
Q. 
Okay. 
When you say you've seen 
on the elevator --
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I only assume she lives there. 
I don't know 
.or a fact. 
I'm trying to be honest and factual for 
So I couldn't honestly say if I knew she lived 
- here or not. 
O. 
Where do you think 
lives? 
A. 
I would think she lives there. 
Q. 
You don't have a better location? 
A. 
I don't have another location. 
Q. 
Anybody else? 
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Not to my knowledge. 
I mean, I'd only be 
guessing that people live in that building that -- you 
know, I don't have any facts to prove that they actually 
live there. 
I mean, I don't think you want me to guess. 
Q. 
Well, NES, LLC, would you say that the owner 
or controller of that company is Jeffrey Epstein? 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
THE WITNESS: 
I don't know that for a fact. 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
Q. 
Jeffrey Epstein is somebody you've indicated 
that you've worked for for 17 or 18 years, right? 
A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
And over the 17 or 18 years you've become 
personally close with him as well, correct? 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
THE WITNESS: 
I don't understand how you mean 
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•close." Define that. 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
Q. 
Well, more so than just a pilot that takes him 
from Point A to Point B? 
A. 
That is my job. 
Q. 
Right. But you know him on a personal level 
and that you've had personal conversations that don't 
necessarily deal with flying from Point A to Point B; 
isn't that right? 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
THE WITNESS: More specific, meaning we talk 
about cars. 
I mean, does that make you a personal 
friends? 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
Q. 
Have you ever gone to his house to eat? 
A. 
No. 
Q. 
Have you been to his New York home? 
A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
How many occasions have you been to his New 
York home? 
MR. CRITTON: Object to form. 
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We normally pick up luggage in 
the lobby, so it would probably be quite often. 
Any time we depart out of New York, we stop by the 
house and pick up luggage and head to the aircraft. 
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BY MR. EDWARDS: 
Q. 
Other than picking up luggage, have you been 
to his home to visit or socialize with him? 
A. 
Not to socialize, no. 
Q. 
Have you been to his Palm Beach home? 
A. 
To? 
Q. 
To Mr. Epstein's Palm Beach house? 
A. 
Right. 
Q. 
Have you been there? 
A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
Have you been inside? 
A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
And how many occasions have you been inside 
that home? 
A. 
The same, as far as picking up luggage, and 
that would be on a regular basis, you know, for a 
Aeparture. 
We wouldn't always go to the house to pick 
up luggage, but it made it easier for loading the 
aircraft, getting it done prior to departure. 
Q. 
Is that the only reason that you have ever 
gone to the Palm Beach home over the last 18 years, is 
to pick up luggage? 
A. 
No. 
Q. 
What other reasons have you gone there? 
A. 
I've set up several home theater equipments, 
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Q. 
Is that another hobby or job or something of 
yours? 
A. 
Both. 
Q. 
Does he pay you for that? 
A. 
Not any more than my salary. 
Q. 
What's your current salary? 
A. 
At this time, 180,000. 
Q. 
And what are you paid $180,000 to do? 
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To manage his aircraft. 
Q. 
What does that entail? 
A. 
Scheduling maintenance. 
Anything that has to 
do with any flight, whether it be weather, flight 
planning, time and distance to and from a location, any 
logistics involved in running an operation that has 
aircraft. 
Q. 
In addition to the 180,000, does he give you 
bonuses as well? 
A. 
There have been Christmas bonuses. 
Q. 
Over the years, you mean, there have been 
Christmas bonuses? 
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Q. 
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Q. 
Yes. 
Is 180,000 the most he's ever paid you? 
No. 
All right. 
Were you making -- when was the 
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last time that you were making an amount different than 
180,000? 
A. 
Last year. 
Q. 
That would be 2008? 
A. 
That would be correct. 
Yeah, we all took a 
salary cut, I don't know the exact date. 
It might have 
been 2008, last year. 
It was last Christmas we all took 
a 10 percent salary cut. 
Q. 
Do you know why? 
A. 
Economic reasons. 
Q. 
And who told you that you were going to have 
to take the salary cut? 
A. 
Darren Indyke. 
Q. 
And did you ask for an explanation? 
A. 
He explained it was due to economic reasons 
throughout the country. 
Q. 
Okay. So in 2008, how much was -- were you 
being paid by NES, LLC? 
A. 
200,000. 
Q. 
And is 200,000 the most that you've ever made 
from NES, LLC? 
A. 
Yes, sir. 
Q. 
And on top of that $200,000, did you get a 
bonus that year as well? 
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Which year are you talking 
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MR. EDWARDS: 2008. 
THE WITNESS: That year, I think we skipped 
Christmas bonuses that year. 
The last bonus might 
have been 2007. 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
Q. 
If you ever got a bonus from Mr. Epstein 
and I'm only deriving this from you using the term 
"Christmas bonus." 
A. 
Holiday bonus. 
Q. 
-- am I correct to assume 
sorry. 
Am I 
correct to assume that if you got a bonus, there was 
only one and it was at the end of the year, around the 
holidays? 
A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
Okay. 
And how much was the 2007 holiday 
bonus? 
A. 
I'd have to ask my wife, to be honest. 
I 
haven't seen my paycheck in 27 years, so I believe it 
was $10,000. 
Q. 
And in 2007 you also made $200,000? 
A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
Okay. 
A. 
With a question mark. 
I'm trying to be as 
accurate as I can, but yes. 
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Q. 
Something pretty close to that? 
A. 
Yes, sir. 
Q. 
Okay. So with the bonus it was 210,000, 
roughly? 
A. 
Right. 
Q. 
Okay. 
And how long were you making that 
salary? 
A. 
Probably -- he was very religious about giving 
annual increases, so I would probably say 2006, you 
know, it was -- we would get increment -- increases of 
five or $10,000 each year. So I would say 2006. So it 
graduated, you know, progressive. 
Q. 
Okay. Do you remember the progression if we 
start at 1991? 
Do you remember roughly what the 
progression was up through 2007/2008, when you were 
making $200,000? 
A. 
No, I wouldn't know the progression. 
Q. 
Okay. Do you remember what you were making 
from 
and was NES, LLC the company paying you back in 
1991? 
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I don't know. 
I don't remember. 
Let me say 
it that way. 
I don't remember. 
Q. 
Okay. 
When -- how long do you remember NES, 
LLC being the payer of your check? 
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Personally, two years, because I've never seen 
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my paycheck. So I don't even know what's written on the 
top of it. 
Q. 
That would be something that only your wife 
would see, I'm assuming? 
A. 
You're right, since she probably wouldn't know 
the answer either, because she's looking at the right 
column and not the top column. 
Q. 
Right. 
When is the first time that you had 
heard the name NES, LLC, that company? 
A. 
Five, six years, and even questioned what it 
stood for. 
And I think to this day I couldn't answer 
that honestly, what it stands for. 
Q. 
Okay. 
But it's your understanding that the 
NES, LLC is paying you for the work that you do as a 
pilot or maintain the planes for Jeffrey Epstein? 
A. 
To my understanding, yes. 
Q. 
And back in 1991, do you know if it was a 
different company that was paying you or if it was 
Jeffrey Epstein directly paying you? 
A. 
I don't remember. 
I mean, I don't. 
Q. 
Okay. Throughout your career with -- as a 
pilot for Jeffrey Epstein, since 1991, has there ever 
been a time when you believe you were paid directly from 
Jeffrey Epstein personally versus some company? 
A. 
Not to my knowledge, no. 
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Larry Visoski 
October 15, 2009 
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Q. 
Okay. So whether it was NES, LLC or some 
other company, it was all of a sudden a company name, to 
the best of your knowledge? 
A. 
Exactly, yes. 
Q. 
And back in 1991, do you remember 
approximately how much you were being paid that year? 
A. 
Fifty-five or 60,000, is maybe what I started. 
Q. 
Okay. 
A. 
You're going back a long ways. 
Q. 
Yes. 
A. 
I'm trying. 
Q. 
Your relationship goes back that far. 
That's 
why I chose that year. 
A. 
Right. 
Q • 
Okay. 
Did you get bonuses even back that far? 
A. 
Yes, sir. 
Q. 
And do you remember what your bonuses were 
approximately? 
A. 
5,000. 
I mean, that was kind of the -- the 
starting point. 
Q. 
Okay. 
In addition to monitary bonuses, were 
- here ever gifts or any other type of compensation that 
NES, LLC or Jeffrey Epstein provided you? 
A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
And is that over the span of the 18 years? 
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