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• 1 2 3 4 16 Yes, sir. A GRAND JUROR: Is there something that ties in these travel itineraries to the actual fact that there was a meeting or 6 something planned? I mean, where does that tie together? Traveling is not against the 7 law. 8 Right. The way that we 9 had the indictment organized before was an 10 attempt to do this in chronological order, 1 1 which seems to be more confusing rather than 12 less confusing. 13 So when you look at the -- when you hear 14 the testimony from Special Agent 15 and when you look at the Overt Acts related 16 to the victims and when he went to see them, 17 you'll see that the dates of travel relate to 18 the dates of his meeting with the victims. 19 Does that make sense? 20 A GRAND JUROR: Yes. 21 BY 22 Q Is there anything else, Special Agent 23 that I should add to that? 24 A No. It will become clear once we 25 testify about the travel count. OFFICIAL mrn^nT7"^ nrnflYnE, LLC EFTA00085631
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• 17 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 BY A GRAND JUROR: Can I just ask which airport is ISM? THE WITNESS: You know, I can in the next session, I would be happy to bring the airport codes. A GRAND JUROR: Okay. THE WITNESS: Obviously, we focused in on his times when he traveled into the Palm Beach County area and that would be PBIA or PBI, but I can certainly provide all the airport codes at our next session. Q All right. Now throughout the Overt Acts portion where there are discussions of various Jane Does, there will be mentioned a telephone call. So, for example, if you look at Page Ten, Paragraph 17, it says on or about April 23rd, 2004, Defendant placed a telephone call to a telephone used by Jane Doe Number Two. Do you see that? A Yes. Q And Special Agent what is the evidence that we have related to the telephone calls that are mentioned in the Overt Acts? OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085632
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• • 18 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A We have issued administrative subpoenas to telecommunication companies for cell phone records for Mr. Epstein's assistants as well as many of the Jane Does. These specific Overt Acts are reflected in those telephone records and we have also prepared for the grand jury -- I brought with me today, and I will bring with me next time, all of the telephone records for -- that we have received via administrative subpoenas. Today I brought the ones pertaining to the Overt Acts and what we have done is we have taken those cell phone records and we have marked for the grand jury all the Overt Acts that are listed in the indictment. You'll note when you go to that page, there will be a little mark by the telephone call that we are specifically talking about in the Overt Acts. Q And can you just remind the grand jury what information will be on those records? A It will be telephonic contact between or , telephonic contact between his assistants and the Jane Does. OFFICIAL 7PORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085633
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q was called the call? It will show the telephone number that and the dates and time and length of A Yes, it will. Q All right. Any questions before we start talking about the sexual activity between the defendant and the victims? Okay. No questions. BY Q Let's talk first about Jane Does One and Two. They are grouped together in Overt Acts One through 18. Who is Jane Doe Number One? A Jane Doe Number One is a white female. Her name is She was born in and she lived in the Palm Beach County area during the time that she had contact with Mr. Epstein. Q Has she been interviewed? A Statements have been provided to the FBI by Jane Doe Number One. Q In addition to her statements, who else has provided information regarding Jane Doe Number One? A Jane Doe Number Two and Jane Doe Number OFFICIAL RPPC)RmTMC qFPVTCE, LLC EFTA00085634
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20 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 One's boyfriend at the time she had contact with Mr. Epstein, which is Q Who is referred to as in the indictment? A Yes. Q During what period of time, did Jane Doe Number One have contact with Mr. Epstein? A Jane Doe Number One met Mr. Epstein when she was 15. So that would be in the last half of 1998 until 2003 that we are aware of. Q How did she meet Jeffrey Epstein? A She met Mr. Epstein at age 15 and according to her boyfriend when she was 20, Mr. Epstein sent her to Thailand for massage therapy school. So she -- the time frame that she was with Mr. Epstein was from the age of 15 until we are aware of is age 20. never saw Jane Doe Number One again after she went to Thailand. She would contact him by telephone, but she never returned back. She never came back that he is aware of. So the time frame tiCat we had Jane Doe Number One with Mr. Epstein is from age 15 to 20. OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085635
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21 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 I'm sorry, the question you asked me was: How did they meet? They met by a friend of Mr. Epstein's. Jane Doe Number One was working at and a friend of Mr. Epstein's, Ghislaine Maxwell. Would you like the spelling? THE REPORTER: Yes, please. THE WITNESS: G-H-I-S-L-A-I-N-E, Maxwell, who was a friend of Mr. Epstein, met Jane Doe Number One at Mar-a-Lago and Jane Doe Number One soon after began working and providing massages for Mr. Epstein. BY 0 What sexual activity was Jane Doe Number One involved in with Jeffrey Epstein? A Through the statements provided by Jane Doe Number Two, when Jane Doe Number Two was 14 years of age, she saw Jane Doe Number One naked and engaged in what she believed to be sexual intercourse with Mr. Epstein. Q Now did Jane Doe Number One recruit any one else to go to Jeffrey Epstein's home? A At this time, the only Jane Doe that we are aware of is Jane Doe Number Two or the only individual we are aware of is Jane Doe Number Two. OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085636
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22 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q Okay. So let's talk about Jane Doe Number Two. Who is she? named A Jane Doe Number Two is She was born in a white female She lived in Palm Beach County, Florida, at the time she had contact with Mr. Epstein. Q And how has she been interviewed? A Yes. Q During -- how old was she during the time frame that Jane Doe Number Two was involved with Mr. Epstein? A She was 14 at the time that she first met Mr. Epstein. Q And she was involved with him until she was 17? A We have in or about the beginning of 2001 , which would make her 14 up until 2004. Q And how did she come to meet Mr. Epstein? A Jane Doe Number One brought Jane Doe Number Two to Mr. Epstein's residence for the first time. Mr. Epstein was introduced to Jane Doe Number Two by Jane Doe Number One. There was a massage that took place with the two of them and then Jane Doe Number One OFFICIAL RFPORml - Nr SFRVTCE, LLC EFTA00085637
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• 23 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 1 engaged in sexual activity that I mentioned earlier where Jane Doe Number Two informed us that she sat on the couch and observed what she believed the two of them to engage in sexual intercourse. Q And at the time, Jane Doe Number One was 17 and Jane Doe Number Two was 14? A Yes. • All right. A And I'm not sure if that was actually the first or second visit that she went. So it was either the first visit or the second that the sexual activity that I described took place. They may have gone there the first time and just performed a massage for Mr. Epstein, but on the second occasion the sexual activity that I described took place. Jane Doe Number Two stated that, you know, the three years that we discussed from 2001 to 2004, she provided Mr. Epstein with over, in that three-year period, over 100 massages and all but three of the massages were sexually in nature. Q How much was she paid for performing sexual massages for Epstein? A She was paid between 200 and $400. OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE LLC EFTA00085638
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2 •E 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A would schedule Jane Doe Number Two and sometimes would be out of town and be in New York and scheduled her to come and work, but guess she was Number Q primary role was to schedule or the one that would schedule Jane Doe Two to come and perform the massages. Did ever actually lead Jane Doe Number Two upstairs up to the bedroom? A Yes. After Jane Doe Number One took Jane Doe Number Two, Jane Doe Number Two started going by herself. The first time that Jane Doe Number Two arrived at Mr. Epstein's by herself, took Jane Doe Number Two from the kitchen and took her upstairs for the massage that was to be performed for Mr. Epstein. Q Now you mentioned the sexual activity that Jane Doe Number two observed between Jane Doe Number One and Mr. Epstein. Was there ever any other females involved in the sexual activity? A Yes. Mr. Epstein introduced an unidentified female who performed oral sex on Jane Doe Number One -- I'm sorry, on Jane Doe Number Two while Mr. Epstein had sexual intercourse with the unidentified female. Q Now you mentioned that at some point, OFFICIAL REPORTING ERVICE, LLC EFTA00085640
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26 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Mr. Epstein asked Jane Doe Number Two to start bringing girls; is that correct? A Yes. Q And did he describe what exactly he wants, the type of person that he wanted her to bring? Did she report that he asked her if she had any younger friends that would be interested in performing massages? A Yes. He asked her -- can I just have a moment? Q Of course, yes. A I'm sorry. Jane Doe Number Two, Mr. Epstein asked her if she had any friends that would be interested in performing these massages and then he also inquired if she had any younger friends that would -- that she could bring to him and then he offered to pay her $100 for each person that she brought. Q In addition to the sexual activity with Mr. Epstein, did ever involve Jane Doe Number Two in any specific activity? A Yes. contacted Jane Doe Number Two by telephone and asked her to come to Mr. Epstein's residence that Mr. Epstein wanted to take pictures of Jane Doe Number Two. OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085641
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27 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 paid Jane Doe Number Two $500 to take naked photographs of Jane Doe Number Two at Mr. Epstein's residence in and around the house and pool area at the request of Mr. Epstein. Q And approximately how old or how old does Jane Doe Number Two believe she was at the time? A Jane Doe Number Two informed us that she was 16 years old when took the photographs of her naked. Q What did Jane Doe Number Two say about whether Jeffrey Epstein knew her true age? A Jane Doe Number Two was informed by Jane Doe Number One to say if asked her age that she was -- she should respond that she was 17. When they went -- and went to Mr. Epstein's residence and were upstairs performing massages, Mr. Epstein asked Jane Doe Number Two her age. She responded four --. And then he said, so you're 14? And Mr. Epstein informed Jane Doe Number Two that they would just keep that between them. Q So in other words, he knew that she was 14 when she started seeing him? A Yes. She did not remember to say 17 and OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085642
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28 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 just naturally came out four --. And then he finished that statement for her, so you're 14? And then stated that they would keep that between them. Q Now is the -- can you summarize -- does your testimony cover the evidence supporting the allegations in Overt Acts One through 18? A Yes, it does. Q And if I could ask you to refer to Count Two, which appears on Page 38. Is the evidence that you have just summarized the basis for the allegation that Jeffrey Epstein and procured Jane Doe Number Two to engage in commercial sex acts knowing that she was under 18? A Yes. Q So is there anything else that you wanted to mention with respect to either Jane Doe Numbers One or Two? A The only other thing I didn't bring up was the gifts that Mr. Epstein provided to Jane Doe Number Two and Mr. Epstein would provide her with lingerie. He gave her tickets to a concert, a local concert. He would also send her via FedEx packages to her residence, and in one of those OFFICIAL PrprIPTIMr c rnuTrE, LLC EFTA00085643
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29 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 packages Jane Doe Number Two informed us that there was a Massage for Dummies book that she received by FedEx from Mr. Epstein. And the grand jury should know that we have received records from FedEx which corroborate Mr. Epstein's address and packages going to Jane Doe Number Two's residence. Q And those records relate to Mr. Epstein's personal Federal Express account? A Yes. A GRAND JUROR: Jane Doe Number Two, do we know how old she was when Mr. Epstein asked her to bring younger friends? Was she already in his eyes up there and he wanted them younger? THE WITNESS: When Jane Doe Number Two was 16, about midway through her 16th year, and at that point she did not provide Mr. Epstein with anymore massages. So I know she went away for a time period and when she came back, you know, she and did not want to do massages anymore. So at that point, she may have brought her friends as well as prior to that. OFFICIAL PPDAPTTNC crpvirE, LLC EFTA00085644
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30 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 BY Q Do you know exactly when she started bringing other girls? A I don't know that I want to say that it was before or after. We just know that she was asked by Mr. Epstein to bring other females and he would pay $100. The only other thing we haven't talked about is we have message pads that were recovered in the execution of the state search warrant on Mr. Epstein's residence, and I think the grand jury has seen copies of some of those message pads. We do have a message pad for Jane Doe Number Two that gives you an example of -- and I can pull that out and read that to the grand jury, if you would like? Q Sure. A This particular message pad is basically -- it's a carbon copy message that again was recovered during the execution of the state search warrant at Mr. Epstein's residence and this shows that this was dated on March 11 , 2003. It's from with her phone number and it's marked that she telephoned and it's OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC (954) 467-8204 EFTA00085645
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31 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 marked, please call, and it was signed by one of Mr. Epstein's employees. So again the date that the contact here is March 1 1 , 2003. Q And Jane Doe Number Two was still under the age of 18 at that time? A Yes, she was. Q Okay. Now if we could turn to Jane Doe Number Three and who is she? A Jane Doe Number Three is a white female named She was born and she lived in the Palm Beach County area. Q Has she been interviewed? A Yes. Q And during what period of time did Jane Doe Number Three have contact with Jeffrey Epstein? A Beginning in or around 2003 to up 2005. Q And how old was she during that time frame? A She was 15 when she first met Mr. Epstein. Q And how did she meet him? A Jane Doe Number Two brought Jane Doe Number Three to Mr. Epstein's house. They traveled by taxi there. Jane Doe Number Two took OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085646
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32 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Jane Doe Number Three upstairs to meet Mr. Epstein. They provided Mr. Epstein a massage in their underwear. Mr. Epstein asked Jane Doe Number Two to leave and Jane Doe Number Three finished the massage. Mr. Epstein masturbated in front of Jane Doe Number Three on that first occasion, and Jane Doe Number Three, after the massage, she was paid $200 and she left the residence. Q All right. A On other occasions after that, would be the one to contact Jane Doe Number Three to come to the residence to provide massages for Mr. Epstein. Q And you have phone records showing calls from Three's A phone? Yes, I do. phone to Jane Doe Number Q In addition to that, the masturbation during that massage, was there other sexual activity that occurred between the two of them? A Yes, there was. Mr. Epstein requested that Jane Doe Number Three rub his chest and nipples while he masturbated. He also used a OFFICIAJ REPORTTNn SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085647
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33 1 3 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 massager slash vibrator on Jane Doe Number Three's He touched Jane Doe Number Three's He also instructed Jane Doe Number Three to straddle an unidentified female and fondle the unidentified female as he used she believed it was a vibrator or a massaging device on the unidentified female's Q And on each of those occasions was she paid? A Yes, she was. Q And did she tell you about the range of of money that she would receive for each visit? A She received $200 for the time period when she would provide Mr. Epstein during the massages. Q Did Jane Doe Number Three recruit anyone to go Mr. Epstein's house? A Yes. Q And did she tell you anything about what Epstein's requests were in terms of who she should bring? A Yes. Mr. Epstein asked her to bring other females. Jane Doe Number Three stated that Mr. Epstein's preferences were short little white OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085648
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34 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 girls. Jane Doe Number Three brought girls ages 15 to 25 years of age. Q Were there girls whom Jane Doe Number Three brought to Mr. Epstein's home whom he did not like? A Yes. Mr. Epstein informed Jane Doe Number Three that he didn't want girls with tattoos, older girls, or black girls. He also expressed frustration with Jane Doe Number Three when she didn't have new females for him. Q And how would he express that frustration? A He hung up on her. He telephoned her. He also would telephone her. and Mr. Epstein would call Jane Doe Number Three and on this particular occasion when she didn't have a female for him, he hung up. Q Now if we could go back to the girls whom Mr. Epstein didn't like. You said older girls, girls with tattoos, and black girls. When Jane Doe Number Three brought those girls to his home, did he allow them to massage him? A No. Q So those girls were just sent away? OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085649
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35 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A They were, but they were paid for coming. Q Now if I could just refer you to Overt Acts 29 and 31 , which are on Page 12. There is a reference to two written telephone messages and could you just remind the grand jury of where that information comes from? A I actually have copies. Overt Acts 29 and 31 are message pads or carbon copy messages that were found at Mr. Epstein's residence when the Town of Palm Beach Police Department executed a state search warrant on his residence. The first one, Overt Act 29, is a message dated November 8, 2004. It was taken at 1 :15 p.m. The message is for Mr. Epstein from Cortney with her cell phone number and in quotations it says, I have a female for him. At the bottom is an employee of Mr. Epstein, the house manager, Overt Act 31 is a message for Mr. Epstein dated January 29, 2005. It looks like the time was 4:10 p.m. It is from with her phone number on it and in quotations, I have a female for him. Again, initialed by Mr. Epstein's house manager, OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085650