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IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE FIFTEENTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT IN AND FOR PALM BEACH COUNTY, FLORIDA CASE NO. 50200BCA028051XXXXMB AD Plaintiff, JEFFREY EPSTEIN, Defendant. DEPOSITION OF LARRY VISOSKI Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:18 - 3:37 p.m. 515 N. Flagler Drive Suite P200 West Palm Beach, Fl...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 2 APPEARANCES: On behalf of the Plaintiff: BRADLEY J. EDWARDS, ESQUIRE ROTHSTEIN, ROSENFELDT, ADLER 401 East Las Olas Boulevard Suite 1650 Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33394...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 WITNESS: LARRY VISOSKI BY MR. EDWARDS: BY MR. CRITTON: BY MR. EDWARDS: BY MR. CRITTON: I NDEX DIRECT CROSS 6 214 EXH IB ITS REDIRECT RECROSS 220 221 3 NUMBER ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 4 PROCEED I NGS Deposition taken before Wendy Beath Anderson, Certified Realtime Reporter and Notary Public in and for the State of Florida at Large, in the above cause. -...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 5 that we're going to work out that these records are to be used within the confines of this litigation and not to be spread to the press or anyone else, because they do co...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 6 MR. EDWARDS: All right. Thereupon, (LARRY VISOSKI) having been first duly sworn or affirmed, was examined and testified as follows: THE WITNESS: Yes, I do. DIRECT EXA...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 22 23 24 25 7 the question and you need to wait until I finish asking the question. A. So you're not allowed to interrupt me? Q. And you're not allowed to interrupt me. A. Like I just ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 S 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 8 Q. A. Q • Who's your employer right now? A. NES, LLC. Q. How long has NES, LLC been your employer? A. I'm guessing. I'd say back 1991. I have to do the math, but 17, 18 year...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 9 helicopters. Q. And do you have a specific boss or somebody you answer to at NES, LLC? A. Several people would call to schedule flights from the office, being it either M...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 10 Q. And it's my understanding from other depositions that there are also apartments in that building? A. Yes. Q. And Mr. Epstein either owns or leases or rents certain of ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 S 6 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 11 Q. What floor or suite number is NES, LLC in? A. I believe -- well, I don't know that NES, LLC has an office there. I know that's where Leslie has the phone number where...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. I only assume she lives there. I don't know .or a fact. I'm trying to be honest and factual for So I couldn't honestly say if I knew she lived - here or not. O. Wher...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 13 •close." Define that. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Well, more so than just a pilot that takes him from Point A to Point B? A. That is my job. Q. Right. But you know him on a per...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 14 BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Other than picking up luggage, have you been to his home to visit or socialize with him? A. Not to socialize, no. Q. Have you been to his Palm Bea...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 15 you know, televisions and such. Q. Is that another hobby or job or something of yours? A. Both. Q. Does he pay you for that? A. Not any more than my salary. Q. What...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 16 last time that you were making an amount different than 180,000? A. Last year. Q. That would be 2008? A. That would be correct. Yeah, we all took a salary cut, I don'...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 17 about? MR. EDWARDS: 2008. THE WITNESS: That year, I think we skipped Christmas bonuses that year. The last bonus might have been 2007. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. If you eve...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 18 Q. Something pretty close to that? A. Yes, sir. Q. Okay. So with the bonus it was 210,000, roughly? A. Right. Q. Okay. And how long were you making that salary?...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 19 my paycheck. So I don't even know what's written on the top of it. Q. That would be something that only your wife would see, I'm assuming? A. You're right, since she ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 20 Q. Okay. So whether it was NES, LLC or some other company, it was all of a sudden a company name, to the best of your knowledge? A. Exactly, yes. Q. And back in 1991...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 21 A. Yes. Q. Okay. Tell me what some of those items are. A. I remember one specifically was a pool heater. Q. Excuse me? A. A pool heater. Q. When was that? A. ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 22 A. Again, you're going back a long ways. Q. I understand. We're talking about 1995 right now. A. Yes. Q. You're having a conversation with Jeffrey Epstein. Who i...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 23 Q. But more so than that, if there's going to be a casual conversation about a pool or a pool heater or whatever, it's going to be with you most likely if he's going to be...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 24 A. I think so. Q. All right. What makes you think that? MR. CRITTON: Speculation. THE WITNESS: He's always been kind and respectful. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Ever invi...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 25 assumption that he owns the home in Palm Beach? A. He goes there, but I don't assume -- you don't have to own a house to go to it. Q. And not only does he go there, yo...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: I assume. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. That's where his luggage is when you pick it up? A. Doesn't mean he owns it. Q. Right. But that's whe...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 27 Q. Are those private airports? A. Public. Q. Public, okay. Are there any private landing places where you would land any airplanes in New Mexico? A. There are. Q....

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 28 A. Yes. MR. CRITTON: Form to the last question. MR. REINHART: Can you clarify, the physical ranch or the residences or the structures on the ranch? MR. EDWARDS: I do...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 29 A. Yes. Q. Does that seem like it's feasible, approximately 40,000 -- A. I think so, yes. Q. What else do we have on it? A. There is a compound that has kind of mo...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 30 a guesstimate. Q. Is that over -- when was the first time that you went to that ranch? A. A guess, I don't know when it was, actually, our first trip, but 1995/'94. ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 31 A. Yes, sir. Q. And he sleeps there? A. Yes. Q. Okay. A. I assume he does. Q. You assume he sleeps? A. I do. I think. Q. Okay. MR. CRITTON: This is really ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 32 Q • And did you talk to him about that? A. Yes. He knew I -- he was aware I was looking for a home and he says, "Well, I have so much land, I could give you a spot to...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 33 Q. Okay. But that's on the Zorro Ranch? A. Yes. Q. So in addition to the 50 or so times you've been to the Zorro Ranch, you've been to your property that's on the Z...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 34 40-acres?" I thought your answer was, "I don't know, I'd have to go back and look." Are you saying now that you did pay for that land? A. I don't remember. If there was...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 35 A. 1800 square feet. Q. Were you ever at that house at the same time when he's at his house that's on that Zorro Ranch? A. Yes. Q. All right. We started back in 19...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 you feel was compensation for you working for him? A. I drive a company car. I mean.. . Q. Okay. What kind of car? A. A Hummer. L LC? 36 Q. You say 'a company car." T...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 that I drive. Q. All right. You've worked for him for 18 37 years. I don't even know how long the Hummer would last, but presumably, that's not the car you've had over ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 38 Q. Yes. A. A Mercedes. Q. And is that something that was also a gift from Mr. Epstein? A. No, sir. Q. What type of Mercedes is that? A. A ML 430, ten years old....

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. And which airplane was that? A. The Hawker. Q. Does he still have the Hawker? A. No. Q • How long did he have that plane? 39 A. Five years, guesstimate; four or ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 40 MR. REINHART: That was a compound question. You might want to split it in half. MR. EDWARDS: Okay. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. What documents do you believe exist that indicate...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 .7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 41 Q. Okay. If something happens, they know who is on the plane? A. Exactly, weight and balance. Q. Have you ever kept any flight logs that have names of people on the ai...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 42 Q. Makes that easy. A. Okay. Q. In 1991, were you the chief pilot? A. No. Q. Somebody else was the chief pilot? A. Yes. Q. Who's that? A. Dave Rogers. Q. A...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 43 A. Jeffrey would always critique Dave's flying capabilities, and I tried to help Dave and explain to him what Jeffrey likes and doesn't like. And Jeffrey's also convey...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 44 thinking that you're not going to make the runway. And it was a continuous practice of Dave doing that to be neighbor friendly as opposed to being passenger-comfort friendl...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 45 A. Yes, sir. Q. How big of a plane is that? A. Large corporate jet. Q. How long has he had it? A. Fourteen years; 13, 14 years. Q. And other than the Gulfstream,...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 46 hear you. THE WITNESS: Oh. MR. REINHART: And so Mr. Willits can hear you. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Other than the Gulfstream and the Boeing and the Hawker, what other airpla...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 47 and who was on the flights? A. One flight I believe we went to Sebring and another flight we went to Nassau, Bahamas. Q. And who did you go to Nassau, Bahamas with? A...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 48 Little St. James in a helicopter. Q. And do you fly the helicopter as well? A. Yes. Q. How many helicopters are owned or controlled by Jeffrey Epstein and/or corporation...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 lunch. The passengers showed up and we came back. Q. Have you ever stayed at the home that is on Little St. James? A. No. Q. home? 49 Have you known Jeffrey Epstein t...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 50 Q. -- for what period of time are we talking about? A. During what period of time? Q. Right. A. Let's see, when did all this happen? What, 2007? So eight years prior...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 51 to his island?" We never landed on his island. We landed in St. Thomas. Q. Got it. A. I was just trying to be exact. Q. Thank you. A. It's a small island. Q. O...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. I don't. I mean -- Q. Well, he either stays there or someone else picks him up in a helicopter or he swims away? A. Correct. Q. Okay. You stay on St. Thomas? A. Yes....

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 22 23 24 25 or a stereo. Q • And do you know Les Wexler? A. No, I don't. Q. Have you ever met him before? 53 A. I have met him. Q. Do you know of any relationship between Les Wexler a...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 54 A. I'm guessing, six years. I mean, don't hold me to it. I'm not the greatest on length of times, but six, seven years, I think. Q. How did you meet her? A. I gues...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 55 Q. It seems to be -- I mean, you seem like somebody who has common sense. It seems like somebody that knows Jeffrey Epstein? MR. CRITTON: Form. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Corre...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 56 Q. And have you ever called her? A. Yes. O. When's the last time you talked to A. A week ago. O. What was the occasion? A. We were discussing carpet for one of the ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 57 helicopter. Q. In the last two years, did you tell me the helicopter has flown? A. Yes. O. And where to? A. I have flown the helicopter to Fort Lauderdale on several...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 helicopter with Mr. Epstein? you. A. I'd have to look at the book to be exact for Q. 58 Okay. But it's either the end of September or the beginning of October? A. Yeah...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. How long have you known A. I don't know, five years. A guess again, four, five years. Q. Do you know what her relationship is, if any, with Jeffrey Epstein? A. I d...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 60 BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Okay. Well, as his pilot and the person who travels with Jeffrey Epstein on the majority of his flights, who are the people who travel most frequently ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 61 Q. What's your understanding between the relationship of Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein? A. I don't really know. Q. All right. So when you say you're guessing ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 62 MR. REINHART: Can we clarify? You mean with Mr. Epstein or -- MR. EDWARDS: No. BY MR. EDWARDS: 0. Did you ever bring from some foreign country into the United States...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 63 Miami? A. Twenty-five minutes. Q. And did they talk to one another during that flight? A. No. Q. They were both completely silent during that flight? A. Yes. Q. ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 64 Q. But you don't remember a single specific conversation between Jeffrey Epstein and A. An honest answer, no. Q. Okay. And the same for ; have you seen or have yo...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 65 he is fascinated or infatuated or appreciates or loves or likes massages? A. I have no knowledge of that. Q. All right. How about Ghislaine Maxwell, has she ever tal...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. All right. When you read in the newspapers ehe allegations that Mr. Epstein was involved with numerous underage girls for sexual reasons, were you surprised? A. I did...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 67 women? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: No. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. You think that this is just a story that a bunch of underage women have made up? A. Speculation. MR...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 68 BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. I need an answer. Do you believe it? Do you believe these girls made this up? MR. CRITTON: Form. MR. REINHART: I'm going to instruct him not to an...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 69 alleging associated with this criminal enterprise are certainly reasonably calculated to lead to the discovery of admissible evidence. And if you're still instructing th...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 70 thoughts are on something which he has no factual basis or even an assumption to know one way or another is irrelevant. That's ultimately for a fact-finder in this case....

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 71 A. It's an opinion, and I believe that he has not. Q. Okay. Isn't it true that at some point in time you learned that Jeffrey Epstein has -- strike that. MR. CRITTO...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 72 would classify as Jeffrey Epstein's friend? 2 3 4 5 A. I would classify it. I don't know if it's true. Q. But that's only because they were on the airplane together? 6 I A. Yes. 7I Q. Do you know what Jeffrey Epstein does for a 8 living in your...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 73 Q. I was produced this flight log -- tell me if I'm using the wrong term. What is this called, this book that I've been provided by Dave Rogers? A. I've never seen that b...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 74 you know who they are. This person right here is It seems like she flew on numerous flights. Do you know who that is? A. No. I heard the name, but I don't know who that ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 75 Q. But it's evident that the plane is being used, at least for this time period, January of 2002 through 2005, on a fairly regular basis. I mean, we're looking at Janu...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 $ 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 76 MR. EDWARDS: This is it? MR. CRITTON: Who took it from the deposition the other day? MR. EDWARDS: I have this one right now. MR. REINHART: That's the only copy? MR. ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 77 want to -- if you give me a copy, I'll put a sticker on it. MR. REINHART: Or just copy the page that has the exhibit sticker on it. MR. CRITTON: Sorry. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 78 Q. That's pretty typical of the amount of passengers that you would have on a flight? A. It varied, sure. Q. Okay. But it varied between -- if we look a few lines d...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 that is, does it? A. No. Q. Okay. Do you know what the purpose of her 79 being on the airplane flight along with Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell and would be? A. N...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 80 Bill Clinton's going to be a passenger on the flight? A. Yes. Q. And how do you know? How do you get that information? A. The day before I'd get a phone call from, say...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 81 BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Okay. Do you know what his relationship was with Jeffrey Epstein? A. No. Q. Do you know if they were friends? A. Assuming. Q. But you're assum...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 82 onboard a flight. Q. Does Jeffrey Epstein charge these people as passengers? A. I don't know. Q. Okay. Are these people such as Bill Clinton, does that mean that B...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 83 this time with Doug Band, three Secret Service agents, Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell and . Do 3 you remember that flight? 4 A. Where did we go? 5 0. Starts in JFK. 6 A. Right. 7 Q. Where is that? 8 MR. CRITTON: Do you have a date? 9 MR....

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 .7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 84 A. No. Q. Did you ever hear that Doug Band and Ghislaine Maxwell were the people attributed to introducing Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 85 pilot of these flights, you're not sure what their relationship is or whether any of them were socially connected in any real way? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: No. When ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 86 Q. Okay. Jean Luc Brunel, is that a name that you know? A. Yes. Q. How do you know that name? A. Only because it's a unique name and his attire is very unique. So...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 87 we're referring to the same flight on June 21st of 2002, that includes Jean Luc Brunel, , Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, -• those are the passengers of this flight, ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 88 frequent passenger? A. Who are you referring to? Q. A. No. Q. Dr. Jarecki, is that somebody that you remember flying? A. I know the name. He may have been on the a...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 89 A. No. The name that would launch it first -- MR. CRITTON: Could I ask you a question? You have the original exhibit marked at the deposition. It looks like it's been h...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 90 you -- that name jogs your memory a little better than some of these other people? A. He dresses uniquely. Q. In what way? A. Just loud clothes, so something that yo...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 91 see her name, that doesn't change your opinion as to whether or not you remember her or what -- A. I remember the name, you know, that's all. Q. Do you remember about w...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell? A. Yes. Q. From JFK to what is this, LPAZ? A. LPAZ, that is -- Q • South Africa or something? 92 A. No, it's the Azores Islands, Sant...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. No. Granted, I'm seeing this for the first time, so I'm trying to -- Q. Let me ask you that. Because this was given to me at a deposition of Dave Rogers, who I understan...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 94 airplane was kept by Dave Rogers? A. Yes, in his log book. Q. Okay. And it's my understanding when you fly back into the country through Customs, you have to report the...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 95 BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Okay. You don't remember which flights it would have been where there would have been girls under the age of 18? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: Wel...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 96 Q. She flew frequently at least for a period of time. Do you remember that? A. Yes. Q. Is that somebody that you thought was familiar with the modeling industry or r...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 97 that he kept anybody's names was today, right? A. Well, I didn't know he kept them in his log book. We would fill out the passenger manifest as we're -- having passeng...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 when you say -- we would just send them up to New York. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Did you ever keep a copy of them? A. No. Q. Why did you keep a passenger manifest? 98 A. J...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 99 at the airport office that I had turned into counsel that has the passenger names on them. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Okay. A. It's called a passenger manifest. Q. Okay. M...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 100 to Jeffrey Epstein? A. I currently have, which counsel has now, 2005, I believe, until the present time. And the records previous to that I believe were turned into co...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 you were visiting and you happened to bump into each other. You actually went to see him while he was an inmate in jail? A. Right, yes. Q• Okay. So when we're talking ab...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Who first made you aware of that? 102 A. The newspaper. Q. Were you ever questioned by the police? A. I don't know who questioned me, actually. I ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 103 Q. And for the passenger manifest prior to 2005, how far do those passenger manifests go back in time? A. They should go back, I guess, to 1991 or whenever we started ex...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 104 MR. REINHART: If you know. THE WITNESS: I don't know who possesses them right now. They were turned into Jack Goldberger's office a year and a half or two years ago. ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Do you know A. Yes. Q. How do you know her? A. She was on the airplane. Q. How old is she? 105 A. I have no idea. Q. Age range? A. Twenty-ei...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 106 A. If you want me to guess -- Q. No, I don't want you to guess. A. I don't know then. Q. Well, if I say between ten and fifty? A. That's a range. Q. If I say bet...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 107 hello. Q. That's somebody who was on the airplane multiple times? A. More than once. I mean, I have no account for how many times. Q. Well, I've asked you about a...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 108 this line, PEI, left out of Palm Beach? A. Palm Beach to Nassau. I'm sorry, I don't remember that one. Q. When we're saying we're going down to Nassau, is that a place...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 109 A. No. Q. Do you remember Naomi Campbell, picking her up from St. Thomas along with Jean Luc Brunel? A. I remember her being on board. I don't remember the flight....

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. That's Jeffrey's mom. Q. She's passed away? A. Yes. Q. At least that's your understanding, right? A. That's what I heard, yes. Q. Okay. , do you know her? A. I...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 111 him around Jeffrey Epstein? A. No. 4• All right. A. No. O. , do you know that name? A. No. O. She was on several flights. You don't remember seeing her? A. ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 112 A. He usually drops Jeffrey off at the airport. Q. In fact, you've called him directly before, right? A. Yes. Q. You still have his number? A. I haven't -- yes, ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 113 A. I don't know what his role is. Q. Have you ever worked for a company called Air Ghislaine? Do you know that company? A. Yes. Q. Do you know what that company does?...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 114 with Jeffrey Epstein? A. I don't know. He doesn't talk much. Q. Okay. And Sandy Berger, do you know who that is? A. I don't know. Q. Do you know any reason why you...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 115 Q. Do you know -- did you tell me, do you know what Leslie Gruff does for Jeffrey Epstein? A. I don't know her exact title. Q. You talked to all of these individuals at...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 116 Q. Okay. So you're calling her related to Jeffrey Epstein? A. Sure. Q. Okay. So you know that she plays some role in some aspect of Jeffrey Epstein's life, whatever th...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 117 Q. What would be a reason you called MR. CRITTON: Object to form. Probably the same reasons he said two hours ago, for scheduling purposes. But you've covered that. ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 118 whatever he does? A. I'd only can speculating. I don't know. Q. All right. Do you know the number MR. CRITTON: Could you say it slowly. III? MR. EDWARDS: . Thank...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Do you remember making that phone call after reading the message? A. Let me look at the date here. Okay. March. MR. REINHART: The question is, do yo...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 120 Jeffrey Epstein. So that's how I have these documents. I'm not trying to pull out old documents. MR. CRITTON: What's the date? MR. EDWARDS: March 19th. MR. REINHART:...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 121 Q. Okay. When you say "you help out with boat purchases," what do you mean? A. Give my opinion, whether or not whether to buy a certain boat. It's just a hobby. I hav...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 122 testimony has been, you know, you're just the pilot for him -- it looks like there's some other role that you're playing here in his life. I'm not suggesting that you a...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 123 Q. And has he consulted with you on each of those purchases? A. Not every one of them, no. Q. Does he own any boats now that you're aware of? A. I don't know if h...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 124 Q. Is there any other boat that you know of Jeffrey Epstein being the primary user of or the primary controller of? A. I mean, there's boats in St. Thomas. I mean, ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. 125 In the 18 years and all the travels you had with him, do you know anything about Jeffrey Epstein's sex life? A. No. Q. Do you know who he has sex with? A. No. ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 126 Q. -- and the use of a company car? A. Yes. Q. That's it? A. (Nodding.) Q. Okay. A. Yes, I'm sorry, yes. Q. And the flight to Miami that was recently taken, ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 127 Q. Did he ever fly anywhere else with you either by helicopter or airplane in the last two years? A. We flew one time to the Sikorsky plant. Q. What's the Sikorsky p...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 128 but they're corporate documents. So you'd have to request it from Mr. Critton, who I understand represents all the corporations. THE WITNESS: Yes. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 129 A. They have a new helicopter being developed there, so they're trying to look for investors in it. So they were just kind of pushing their product. Q. Do you know what ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 130 Q. Talk to who? A. Jeffrey. Q. Jeffrey just happened to be at the Florida Science Foundation? A. Yes. Q. How did you know that he was going to be at the Florida...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. Back in his office? 131 A. Yes, sir. Q. What was that conversation? A. Give me a time frame. I mean, I've been there several times. Q. Okay. How many times do y...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 132 Q. What was the purpose of the conversation? A. We were sometimes talking about TVs, you know, the latest plasma that's out there, LCD, you know, setting up a stereo ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 133 standing next to it or the salesperson. So I mean, there's a reason to visually show him something reference to that. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Did you ever communicate with...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 134 frequently? A. Exactly. Q. So when you didn't see him on the airplane frequently, then some of your correspondence was by e-mail, other times by telephone? A. Mm-h...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 135 A. We've landed in Paris. Q. You're aware that he has some control over another piece of property over there? A. I know we've picked up luggage at a residence. I do...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 136 Q. So I thought there was no need for that? A. Okay. I just wanted to see. Q. Where do you stay when Jeffrey Epstein is in Paris? A. A hotel. Q. Okay. And in New ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 137 BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. The Manhattan house. A. Yes. Q. Mansion or whatever we want to call it, the Zorro Ranch, the island of St. James, the Palm Beach house. A. Mm-...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 138 keeps a list of underage girls to service Jeffrey Epstein for sexual purposes? A. I am not aware of them. MR. CRITTON: Form to the last question BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 139 BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. And ask you about some of the allegations in here and see if you know anything about them. It indicates he owns a flight of aircraft that includes ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. What does the company NES, LLC, do to your knowledge? A. I have no idea. Q. know? 140 How does that company generate profit, if you A. I have no idea...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 141 years old? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: No. BY MR. EDWARDS: O. Never? A. Never. Q. Have you ever seen any photographs in any of his homes depicting young-look...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. No. Q. I know that you helped set up some of the -- 142 A. Computers are not my expertise. Q. All right. Have you ever been told that Mr. Epstein committed sex acts...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 143 about that? MR. REINHART: Hold on. The question is have you ever been told that fact that he just read to you? BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Right. A. I have never been tol...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 144 A. No, I did not. Q. Have you ever known Mr. Epstein to get a massage while on an airplane? PHONE ATTORNEY: This is everybody in Boone, Charles and the witness is he...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 145 A. Can you be more specific? Q. Well, I know that you've indicated earlier in the deposition that you remember some girls under the age of 18 on the airplane. And so...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 146 referring to? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: No, sir. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. And you don't remember being a pilot of an airplane where he was transporting a 15-year-ol...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 147 Q. To Santa Fe? A. Yes. Q. To Los Angeles? A. Yes. Q. To San Francisco? A. Yes. Q. To St. Louis? A. Yes. Q. All right. Continuing to international destin...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 148 to have her available to him at all times whenever he wanted, including while transporting the minor plaintiff on his private jet.• That's something that you had no kno...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 149 defendant transported minor girls from Turkey." Did you ever leave in one of his airplanes out of Turkey? A. I'd have to look at the records. I don't recall Turkey. ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 150 THE WITNESS: I do not know who has them today. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Who did you give them to? A. Actually, I didn't give them to anybody. Dave Rogers was in possessi...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 151 ever flown to or from in a Jeffrey Epstein airplane? A. We have flown to Prague. Q. Okay. Have you picked people up in Prague and flown out of Prague? A. I don't r...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 152 THE WITNESS: Never occurred to me. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Did you ever hear that he maintained some of these underage girls as sex slaves -- A. Never heard of such a thi...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 153 meet with Prince Andrew? A. I don't remember. I know that happened, but I couldn't be accurate. Q. Has Prince Andrew ever been on the airplane at the same time as a...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 154 Q. Where is Teterboro? A. In New Jersey. Q. And what was the purpose of that flight, do you know? A. I don't know. Q. Was Jeffrey Epstein on the flight? A. I'd ha...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 155 BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Okay. Do you remember who else was on that flight that left after 10 p.m.? A. No, I do not. 0. Do you remember why it left after 10 p.m.? A. No...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 156 professional acquaintances of Jeffrey Epstein also sexually abusing or exploiting little kids or underage girls on your airplane? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: No....

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 157 A. Okay. Q. And I'm just asking you if you did have knowledge that Jeffrey Epstein was having sex with little girls either on the plane or at a place that you were t...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 158 to be a pilot for somebody who's traveling to and from destinations with the goal of having sex with underage girls? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: It could be any p...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 THE WITNESS: Never heard of such a thing. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Do you know of any friends that he has in France that would send him birthday -- a birthday present? A. No....

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 160 and during an entire day? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: I don't remember , so I couldn't answer the question. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. "In September 2002, Defendant E...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 161 pretty much after 10. But we've been here since 10:00. I want to take a lunch break. MR. EDWARDS: Let's do it. MR. CRITTON: For an hour? MR. EDWARDS: Sure. (A break w...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. Yes. Q. 162 Okay. Jeffrey Epstein's plea, I believe, was June 30th, 2008. I think that's when he was taken in custody from there. Your first visit is July 3rd, 2008. ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 163 just talked about general happenings that go on in there. Q. What did he say? A. It's terrible; it's cold; he can't sleep. They wake him up every two hours. You know...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 164 Q. And did Igor talk to him as well? A. Briefly. I mean, not that much. You're going back a little ways again to remember exactly what was discussed. You know, he ask...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 165 MR. CRITTON: Form; move to strike. Sounds like a guess. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. To the best of your knowledge, that's how most of the items that you've discussed -- that b...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 166 see him in jail again, and again, Igor Zinoviev is listed as a visitor. Did you go with him together on that occasion? A. I didn't even realize it was two days after ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 .7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 167 facility that was holding Jeffrey Epstein, they're accurate, your name is the first one listed on the top of the sheet? A. Right. There may have been earlier dates. I ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 168 100 percent, so conversation with somebody that doesn't fully understand you, you know, you get lost in translation a little bit. So I don't Q. So on these three visi...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 169 A. I think Igor and I discussed on trying to be upbeat and not look at the position that he's in sitting across the table from us, to be upbeat and uplift his spirits. Q...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 170 Q. Okay. And you were doing that as a friend of his, not just his pilot, right? A. I felt honored that he asked me to come and give support like that, because prior ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 171 Q. And in the course of that conversation, again, the allegations and the unusual I'll call it case against him, that didn't come up between you and Mr. Epstein? A. I n...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 172 BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Okay. And then before you visited him again, the visitors are listed as or A. Mm-hmm. Q. Mainly those two individuals. And they list as addre...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 173 I'm sorry. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. I was talking right now about in the conversations that you had with him that we've discussed with you and him in the jail facility. Did...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 174 don't remember which one it was. It was either the 9 or the 16, and then the other one I met everybody there. So I can't be accurate on which time we all drove togethe...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 at the house. Q. Those are cars that Jeffrey Epstein owns, to your knowledge? A. I don't know who owns them. Q. What cars are there that -- I know with this 175 case we'r...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 176 or whatever there. I've seen driving a Mercedes convertible. Q. Is that different than the Mercedes S500 sedan? A. Yes, I think it's different. Q. When you say th...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 177 A. Right. Q. And I've identified a Mercedes convertible? A. Right. Q. In addition to that, are there any others that you're aware of? A. That he's in control of?...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 178 BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Have you been led to believe that by anybody? A. No. MR. CRITTON: Form. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Do you have any -- based on your observations, do y...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 179 he utilizes various people, schedulers, pilots, handlers and other associates and co-conspirators that have a similar mentality; that is, people that do not agree with ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 180 state of Florida should be complied with? THE WITNESS: I don't know what the law is. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Okay. The laws in place to protect children under the age of...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 181 which he pled guilty to MR. CRITTON: Form. MR. REINHART: Can we -- for purposes of your hypothetical, what facts do you want him to assume are true? You said the fact...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 182 and I have to discuss it with my wife long and hard. I don't think I could give you a correct and honest answer at this time. BY MR. EDWARDS: O. Okay. Given the all...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 183 against him and the allegations contained within many of these civil complaints on behalf of girls who were under the age of 18? Is there any reason why you haven't di...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 184 MR. REINHART: Again, if it was a discussion you had with any lawyer, then you can just give a name, don't give a discussion of the conversation you had. THE WITNESS: I...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 different periods. Was there ever a time when they 185 allowed you to stay for more than an hour? A. No, not to my knowledge. Q. Okay. So again, it's and , same questions...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 $ 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 186 A. Well, that's true. Q. Right? A. Yeah. Q. So the next times you would have gone to see him would have been at the Florida Science Foundation, where we talked ab...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 187 telephone, how frequently would you talk to him? A. How frequently during a given week? O. Yeah. A. More specific? D. Sure. A. Depends upon what's going on that ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 188 looking at new items that are out there, you know, what's the biggest LCD flat screen out there. Q. Okay. And since he's been out of jail and on community control or ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Structural modifications, architectural modifications? A. Starting what date? Q. June 30th, 2008. MR. REINHART: I think the question on the table w...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 190 MR. REINHART: I think Mr. Visoski can expand on his previous answer. Why don't you expand. THE WITNESS: Can we go back to that one? BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Sure. The ques...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 191 A. No, I don't. It's not my airplane. Q. We still don't know whose airplane it is yet. The time when you took Mr. Epstein to Miami in the last month, do you know which a...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 192 affiliated or related to Jeffrey Epstein in some way? A. I have no definition. I don't know who it is. Q. Do you know how you heard about it? A. I don't remember. That...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 193 O. All right. And were you deeded the property that we spoke about earlier on the New Mexico ranch? Is that deeded to you? A. Yes. O. And has it been since back i...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 194 A. I'm guessing. It was probably two years old when I got it. Maybe '99. Maybe '01, '02. Q. Something you still drive? A. Occasionally. It's kind of a beat up car now,...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 195 Q. Well, we've just described this wide array of cars that Jeffrey had for people to use -- A. Well, you said for him to use. MR. CRITTON: Hold it. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 196 house drive it as a grocery shopping car or something, or just as extra transportation. Q. Okay. But when you go to park the car at somebody else's house, you have to ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 197 A. Yes. Q. Registered in your name? A. Yes. Q. And whose car is that? A. That's another extra car for the household to use at Jeffrey's house. Q. And when was ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 198 A. I don't recall exactly how the conversation came about. He just says we want to buy an '08 Land Rover and put it in my name. So we did. I didn't ask any further q...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 199 2005 registered in your name? A. Yes. Q. And whose car is that? A. That car also is a Palm Beach house car to be used at the house. Q. What does that mean, 'a Pal...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 in Palm Beach. Q • But why put it in your name? A. I don't know. Q. You didn't ask any questions about that? 200 A. No, I didn't. Q. Okay. Are you aware of a Jaguar...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. I did not. Q. So your suspicions were never -- your 201 curiosity was never piqued at all as to why these cars are being placed in your name? A. My curiosity was piq...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 202 Q. Okay. So if that's registered in your name, that would be a shock to you? That would be a surprise to you? A. Yes, it would be. Q. There should be no documentat...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 LLC. 203 Q. Who drives that car, Ford F-250? A. That was shipped to St. Thomas. Q. For who to use and for what purpose? A. Well, that car should have been put under LS...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 204 MR. CRITTON: Form. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Again, that's not a car that you use, the Ford F-250? A. No, it's not even here. Q. And when you say on St. Thomas, is it on ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 205 A. They need a work truck. Q. To do what? A. I don't know what the detail or the -- you know, what the job detail was for the truck. They just needed a work truck. ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. 34-foot JVC Powerboat, 2000, owner LSJ, LLC, registered to Larry Visoski. Do you know that? A. Yes. name? Q. 206 You knew that that boat was registe...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. Okay. And by "Jeffrey's boat," it was purchased with Jeffrey's money? A. That is correct. cost? Q • Do you know how much that cost? A. I think it was 60,000. Q • ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 208 your name? A. No. Q. Did you know that in let me ask you this: Do you have a 2003 Ferrari F75-M? A. No. Q. Any reason why the car is registered in your name and...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 209 A. No. MR. CRITTON: Say that again. MR. EDWARDS: The 2orro Trust winning an 85 million-dollar -- claiming the ticket for 85 million-dollar Power Ball ticket in 2008. ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 210 that I work for and never really associated myself with NES, LLC as my realistic employer. So when I go to a convention, an aviation convention, and somebody says who ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 211 MR. REINHART: Mr. Edwards, he needs to expand upon one earlier answer he gave when you asked him if he knew anybody else who worked at the Florida Science Foundation. ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Foundation does? A. No, because she doesn't. Q. She doesn't know what it does either? A. We never talked about it. Q. You never talked to your wife about what she did?...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 213 knowledge at this point. Q. What flight records would you have to look at? A. The passenger manifests. Q. Passenger manifests would have the date of birth on it? A...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 214 I didn't even know were on the airplane. Our focus is up front. Q. Was there a massage table on the airplane? A. Which aircraft? Q. On any of them? A. The Boeing us...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 215 leave? A. Us as the crew. Q. Okay. So if a massage table had ever been used, it would have been you and the crew who would have been responsible for either taking to...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 216 A. Three. I had a short career as far as transferring of owners. Q. In terms of transferring to the other owners, separate and apart from Mr. Epstein, again, every ...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 217 regard to if you bought boats or you bought cars on his behalf, that's very similar to your prior experience with working with another private individual? A. That is c...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 218 snacks or liquids. Maybe I'm not on the same flights that some of the other lawyers here are, but I assume you fly commercial from time to time? A. Sure. Q. Do you e...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 219 A. No, I have not. D. Did Mr. Edwards, in approximately four hours, little over four hours of questioning, ever ask you one question about that you can recall? A. Not...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 REDIRECT (LARRY VISOSKI) BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. You said you had three other people that you've flown for? A. Three other previous jobs. I'm trying to be as accurate. Q. T...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 221 BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Even the one who had trouble with the law, you didn't go visit him in jail? A. No, I did not. Q. And did any of them put vehicles or other boats...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 222 A. The longest period of time was five years and the shortest being two years. MR. CRITTON: Thank you. MR. EDWARDS: We'll order. MR. REINHART: We'll read. MR. CRIT...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 $ 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 223 CERTIFICATE OF OATH THE STATE OF FLORIDA COUNTY OF PALM BEACH I, the undersigned authority, certify that LARRY VISOSKI personally appeared before me and was duly swor...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 224 CERT I F I CATE THE STATE OF FLORIDA COUNTY OF PALM BEACH I, Wendy Beath Anderson, Certified Realtime Reporter and Notary Public in and for the State of Florida at la...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 DATE: TO: IN RE: October 22, 2009 LARRY VISOSKI Job #127542 c/o Robert D. Critton, Jr. via transcript vs. Epstein 225 Please take notice that on Thursday, the 15th o...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 226 CERT I F I CATE THE STATE OF FLORIDA COUNTY OF PALM BEACH I hereby certify that I have read the foregoing deposition by me given, and that the statements contained he...

Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 227 ERRATA SHEET IN RE: VS. EPSTEIN CR: WMB DEPOSITION OF: LARRY VISOSKI TAKEN: 10.15.09 JOB NO.: 127542 DO NOT WRITE ON TRANSCRIPT - ENTER CHANGES HERE PAGE f LINE ...