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Senders: Jeffrey Epstein · Lawrence Krauss · Noam Chomsky

Messages are sorted chronologically when every timestamp in the thread can be parsed; otherwise they appear in the archive's original order. Appearing in correspondence is not an indication of involvement in any crime. Source: Epstein Files archive (House Oversight Committee).

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From: jeffrey E. <[email protected]>
Date: Sep 10, 2015, at 12:02 PM
I think religion plays a major positive role in many lives. . i dont like fanaticism on either side. . sorry
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From: Lawrence Krauss
Date: Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 4:10 PM
Ps. My piece argued against fanaticism.
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From: Noam Chomsky <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 7:52 PM
Thanks for sending. A wide area of agreement, but not total.

On confronting dogma, | of course agree — though in my opinion the secular religions — nationalist fanaticism, etc. —
are much more dangerous. And if some find rational discussion offensive — as, for example, mainstream academics
find dismantling myths of “American exceptionalism” or “Israeli self-defense” or Obama’s mass murder campaign,
etc., offensive — so be it.

But | don’t see why that should extend to ridicule. That includes astrologists. Astronomers can refute astrology, while
recognizing that perfectly honest and deluded people may believe it and should be treated with respect, while their
beliefs are confronted with evidence. | also don’t see why we should ridicule religious dogma, just as | don’t think we
should ridicule the much more pernicious secular dogmas. Rather, we should respond to irrational belief with
argument and evidence, while recognizing that their advocates (like most of the intellectual world in the case of
secular dogma) are people who we should be responding to but without ridiculing them. It may be hard

sometimes. For example, when the icon and founding father of sober non-sentimental Realism in International Affairs
informs us that the US, unlike other countries, has a “transcendental purpose,” and the fact that it constantly acts in
contradiction to its purpose doesn’t matter because the facts are just “abuse of history” while real history is “the
evidence of history as our minds reflect it,” then it’s hard to avoid ridicule. But we should. There’s no point ridiculing
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From: jeffrey E. [[email protected]]
To: Lawrence Krauss
Date: 9/18/2015 4:08:16 PM
you can invite depp to visit us when you are in the caribean