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Yes, he did. He did all the time. The wont one that I heard from his own mouth was this 
pretty 12 year old girls he had flown in for his birthday. It was a surprise birthday gift 
from one of his friends and they were from France. I did see them, I did meet them. 
Jeffrey bragged afterwards after he met them that they were 12 year olds and flown over 
from France because they're really poor ova there, and their parents needed the money 
or whatever the case is and they were absolutely free to stay and flew out. Those were 
the worst ones. He was constantly bragging about girls' ages or where he got them from 
or their past and how terrible their past was and good he is making it for them. 
Where were the 12 year old girls flown to from France? Where did they come to? 
Palm Beach. 
And were they flown in on Jeff's private plane or did they get transported? 
No. They were transported by somebody else. 
Ok. Was the sexual activity that went on on the airplane conducted in such a way so that 
any of the crew was aware of what was going on? 
They were told to knock if they had to come out, if the crew had to come out. They were 
told, you know, to come out as little as possible, so they weren't out there hanging out 
watching everything, no, but it doesn't take an idiot to put two and two together to say 
well there's a whole bunch of half dressed teenagers on board with this old man who is 
constantly being massaged by them and he wants me to keep the door shut for what 
reason? I mean, only they could put that together, but yeah, they knew. 
Did Mr. Epstein ever talk to you about people of power and influence owing him favors? 
He would laugh about it, you know, I never really knew what to take serious from Jeffrey 
because he was such a funny character at times. You never knew if what he was saying 
was true or not Yeah, lots of people owed him favors from what he told me. He's got 
everybody in his pocket, and he would laugh about he helps people for the sole purpose 
in the end they owe him something. That's why I believe he does so many favors in the 
first place. 
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When and how did you first become aware that Mr. Epstein was in trouble with the law? 
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I was first informed by, I think someone from the FBI called me first and started to ask 
me questions, and I started to answer the questions but then fear took over, and I just said 
look, I don't know what's going on, I've got a 
family that I don't want to risk, you 
know, please don't bother me about this again, and it was real short simple conversation, 
and within a week or 2, I had gotten a call from Jeffrey's attorney, and then a week later, 
Jeffrey himself. 
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Ok, well let's back up before we get to those conversations and tell me approximately 
when it was that you were contacted by the person who you believe was with the FBI. 
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Ok. It's hard for me to pinpoint, if I had to pinpoint it, it would be in 2007 sometime. 
Alright. And you were living in 
at that time, correct? 
Correct. 
You were contacted by telephone? 
That's correct, by my cell phone. 
Ok and do you have any idea how your name came up leading to that contact. 
No idea. No idea whatsoever. When I did ask, I was told that some girls had revealed 
my name, I guess, and that's how everybody, the FBI knew to contact me. 
OK. 
But I don't know offhand or sorry, I just walked into the wrong room. 
Ok. 
Sony go on. 
Yes & I'll never tell her you said that. 
how long was it after that phone call 
from the FBI person were you contacted by Mr. Epstein's lawyers. 
Like a week. It was back to back to each other. I remember being so scared after talking 
to the FBI thinking what's happening, what's going on. It's been like 
years at 
that stage, how did they fmd me & what do I have to do with this? So yeah, I do 
remember that very well, and it was only about a week later I was called by his attorney. 
Who was it that contacted you, do you remember? 
I want to say Bill Riley, but he might have been from the FBI. No, it was Bill Riley. Bill 
Riley. Not sure if that's his correct name, but that's what is coming to mind 
What do you remember about that conversation? 
I remember a Mr. Goldberger as well, I remember, there might have been two of them. 
Alright 
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I can't remember which one it was. I want to say Bill Riley is the good one. 
Alright, so either Bill Riley or a Mr. Goldberger or both of them contacted you, and what 
do you remember about that? 
I don't know if it was the same guy who contacted me that week later who put me in 
touch with Jeffrey. I think he was on the phone and he put speakerphone on with Jeffrey. 
So he connected me with Jeffrey. I don't know if it was the same guy or diffmciit, but I 
definitely know that Bill Riley was the first guy to contact me. I'm pretty sure about that. 
Ok. Tell me about that conversation. 
He asked me what I knew about what's going on with Jeffrey and apparently, there was 
an investigation being held about some of the girls who had come out and said that 
Jeffrey had sexual contact with them under the age of a minor and that he was 
discrediting lot of these girls and making them out to be drug addicts and prostitutes and 
what have you so they wouldn't be looked upon as worthy in the court's eyes so to speak. 
And you know, he told me in the first five minutes that, you know, if I stay quiet, that 
"I'll be looked after" . And that was the exact way it was said. It wasn't like you know, 
I'm gonna pay you a zillion dollars or anything if you be quiet, but if I stay quiet, I would 
looked after". And I remember saying I don't want ans 
to do with this. You know, 
this is not something I want to be a part of, I've got a 
family. I wish the best for 
everybody in this, you know, take care kind of thing. A week later, I was called after the 
hearing by one of Jeffrey's lawyers. I can't tell you exactly which one it was but he had 
Jeffrey on the other line and he connected Jeffrey and I, and Jeffrey tried to make some 
simple conversation, "How are you? How have things been?" You know what I mean, 
catching up. 
Do you know if the lawyer, did the lawyer stay on the line while Jeffrey was speaking to 
you? 
I'm pretty sure he did. That's why I think Jeffrey was on speaker phone because it 
sounded a lot different, and I was never taken off the line to begin with or connected to 
another line, so I was pretty sure Jeffrey was on speaker phone and the lawyer was 
making the call. After the simple conversation, it led to what was going on again and you 
know, Jeffrey couldn't believe it. You know, he thought he helped all these girls out. He 
didn't think he was wrong in any circumstance here at all. A lot of these girls were drug 
addicts and just after drug money. You know, he was really putting down these women 
or these girls I should say, not giving them the credit they deserved, and then he exactly 
repeated what the lawyer said the week before is that he would look after me if I stayed 
quiet, and if I need any help, you know, his lawyers would represent me and he would get 
legal help form whatever I need, he would do, and I told him exactly, I said, "Jeffrey, 
I'm the mother 
at that stage. I'm away from everything there, I don't 
want to be a part of it. I'm not going to speak to anybody and I don't want to speak to 
anybody, I don't want to be involved." That was the last time I heard from him. And the 
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next thing I knew, I was sent my victim's letter, my notification of being a victim through 
the US Attorney's Office and that's when I knew it was well out there enough not to have 
Jeffrey's lawyers come back on me and discredit me in the same way he had done to all 
the other girls. So, I called up Joseph Bird who was the recommended lawyers on my 
paperwork that they had given me and started going from there. 
So you contact Mr. 
office and then you were dealing with his office from 
that point forward. 
That's correct. 
Tell me about the ending of your relationship with Jeffrey. That is, at what point in time 
did your full time employment end and how did that happen? 
Ok. So, it hadn't really ended. I walked away from it all. 
Hoorn o months pnor to mat,he came up with a proposition that I thought was really 
disgustingly sick. And it really showed me for the first time in 4 years I had been with 
him that nothing was going to change and I was always just going to be used by him(?) 
which I did not like. He offered me a mansion and some of his money every month, I 
forget what he called it, a monthly income of what he made to bear one of his children. 
The proposition was that if anything ever happened between Jeffrey and I, that I would 
have to sign my child over to him basically and that the child would be his and 
Ghislaine's, and I would be looking after it as long as nothing happened between Jeffrey 
and I. So, I was kind of freaked out by all of that. I pushed Jeffrey more 
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Ok. 
, is there anything else that you would like to add to what you have told us 
up to this point in time? 
I'd like to know that this time around something's going to be done about it and that 
Jeffrey and a lot of his colleagues, no matter how rich they are, will know that there is 
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law and that there is people that still believe in it So that's it. Thank you guys for 
listening to me, hearing me out and helping me. It's kind of hard to get through. 
Thank you very much. Yes, I'm sure it has been very difficult and I am very appreciative 
of the courage you have shown in doing what you have done, which really brings me to 
the last subject, and that is what was it that motivated you to go public with all of this? 
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contacted me. I like her, I do, I like her a lot. 
She told me a lot about what was still going on, and she 
showed me a picture of Jeffrey with a little girl who looks like she could have been 12 
years old. I mean it was disgusting. I agreed to talk with her, I never agreed to do 
anything until she showed me some pictures, and at that stage, being a mother of 
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children 
knowing all of this, and knowing that he's still out there doing the same exact thing with 
no regrets, no remorse, no worry about what he's doing to those girls, and all those girls 
feeling the same way that I did, so I, you know, I'm doing it because I believe in my heart 
of hearts it's the right thing to do. It's what I would want somebody to do for my 
daughter or my sister or my friend, and it saddens me to know that it's still going on right 
now. It's like the seashell story. I don't know if you're heard the story about the little kid 
who throws back a starfish, you know, the little brother tries to ask his sister, "why do 
you throw them in, they're all gonna die anyways, the little girl says "well, it's this one 
that I can help, and this one that I can help," and that's what I feel like I'm doing. I'm 
making a small dent in this big world we live in. 
I certainly appreciate that courage, and I have heard that story, and you're absolutely 
right, that one person may not be able to make a difference for everyone, but one person 
can make a difference for someone, and hopefully, you are making a difference for 
someone, and we're gonna do the best we can to make sure you are making a difference 
for as many people as possible. 
Thanks. 
Just a few other follow up things I want to ask you and again, if any of these questions 
are questions that you're uncomfortable in responding to, then don't hesitate to tell me 
that. Do you have any recollection of Jeffrey Epstein's specifically telling you that "Bill 
Clinton owes me favors"? 
Yes. I do. It was a laugh though. He would laugh it off. You know, i remember asking 
Jeffrey what's Bill Clinton doing here kind of thing, and he laughed it off and said well 
he owes me a favor. He never told me what favors they were. I never knew. I didn't 
know if he was serious. It was just a joke. 
Where was here? 
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He told me a long time ago that everyone owes him favors. They're all in each other's 
pockets. 
When you say you asked him why is Bill Clinton here, where was here? 
On the island. 
When you were present with Jeffrey Epstein and Bill Clinton on the island, who else was 
there? 
Ghislaine, 
and there was 2 young girls that I could identify. I never really knew 
them well anyways. It was just 2 girls from New York. 
And were all of you staying at Jeffrey's house on the island including Bill Clinton? 
That's correct. He had about 4 or 5 different villas on his island separate from the main 
house, and we all stayed in the villas. 
Were sexual orgies a regular occurrence on the island at Jeffrey's house? 
Yes. 
If we were to take sworn testimony from the people I am going to name, and if those 
people were to tell the truth about what they knew, do you believe that any of the 
following people would have relevant information about Jeffrey's taking advantage of 
underage girls? So I'll just name a name, and you tell me yes if they told the truth, I 
think they'd have relevant information or no, I don't think they would, or I don't know 
whether they would or not. Ok? You understand? 
Yes. 
Ok. Les Wexner. 
I think he has relevant information, but I don't think he'll tell you the truth. 
Ok. Alan Dershowitz. 
Yes. 
David Copperfield. 
Don't know. 
Tommy Matola. 
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Prince Andrew. 
Yes, he would know a lot of the truth. Again, I don't know how much he would be able 
to help you with, but seeing he's in a lot of trouble himself these days, I think he might, 
so I think he may be valuable. I'm not too sure of him. 
Ok. M, 
I think that's all I have for you. Let me tell you what I would like to do. 
As I told you in the beginning of this conversation, we've been recording it, and 
hopefully, we've got a clear enough recording so that we've taken down everything 
accurately and when it's transcribed, it will be clear and accurate, but what I would like 
to do is transcribe it, send it to you, have you take a look at it, and if there's anything that 
we got wrong in the statement, you can write back and you can make changes in the 
transcript so that the transcript is accurate. Is that fair? 
No worries. That is fair. No problem. 
Alright, great. I really do appreciate that and tell me what the best way is to send the 
transcript to you. 
Email. If you just want to send it by email or if you want to send it by mail, either or. 
Ok. Give me your email address if you would please. 
Let me read that back to you: 
Yep that's it. 
Thank you =, 
appreciate it. 
No problem, n. 
Thank you very very much. Bye Bye now. 
Take care 
Nicc meeting you. 
You too. 
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