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FBI VOL00009

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(561) 832-7500 
PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
(561) 832-7506 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401.377-676.2895) 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401.377-676.2895) 
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(561) 832-7500 
PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
(561) 832-7506 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401.377-676.2895) 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401.377-676.2895) 
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(561) 832-7500 
PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
(561) 832-7506 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401477476-2895) 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401477476-2895) 
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PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
(561) 832-7506 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401-377476-2895) 
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PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
(561) 832-7506 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401.377-676.2895) 
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(561) 832-7506 
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Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401.377-676.2895) 
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PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
(561) 832-7506 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401477476-2895) 
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(561) 832-7500 
PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
(561) 832-7506 
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BY MR. 
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Q. 
When is the first time that you ever had any 
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contact with Jeffrey Epstein? 
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A. 
When? 
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Q. 
Yes. In other words, what grade were you in 
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or how old were you? However you can peg the time in 
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your mind. 
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A. 
About 16. 
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Q. 
So would you have been in about tenth grade at 
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that point? 
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A. 
Tenth going into my junior year, like, towards 
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the end, beginning of 11th. 
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Q. 
And how was it that you came to know who 
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Jeffrey Epstein was? 
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A. 
I was approached by 
a: 
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Q. 
At that point had you just turned 17? 
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A. 
No. 
5 
Q. 
You were still 16 at that point? 
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A. 
Yes. 
7 
Q. 
And III, is ill.? 
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A. 
I don't know. 
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Q. 
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all? 
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not friends. 
Okay. How did you know 
A. 
We went to middle school together, but we were 
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Q. 
Do you know where she is today? 
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A. 
No. 
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Q. 
What were you doing at 
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A. 
I don't know. 
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Q. 
Well, is it a members only type of place? 
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A. 
No. 
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Q. 
Do you just --
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MR. 
: Wait until he finishes his 
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question. 
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BY MR. 
(561) 832-7500 
PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
(561) 832-7506 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401477476-2895) 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401477476-2895) 
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Q. 
Q. 
How do you get in there? 
A. 
You walk in. 
Q. 
Is there a charge to get into 
A. 
Not the day I met 
no. 
Q. 
Had you been there before? 
A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
How many times had you been there before? 
A. 
I can't recall. 
Was it a place that you went to regularly at 
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that point in your life? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
Why would you go there? 
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Q. 
Okay. Can you describe 
to me? I 
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we talking about 
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somewhere? Are we 
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place? 
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A. 
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or was at that point on the beach 
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They had on Sundays live music. 
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A. 
To go swimming, listen to music. 
mean, are we talking about a club? Are 
a -- somewhere just on the beach 
talking about a bar? What is this 
is a tiki bar on the beach 
had a bar. It had a restaurant. It had a pool. It was 
a hotel room. I mean, they had hotel rooms available. 
Q. 
Okay. When you would go there in the past, 
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would you go with friends? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
Who? 
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A. 
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Q. 
Anyone else you can think of? 
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A. 
Not that I can think of. 
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Q. 
Would you go with 
or would you go with 
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A. 
Not 
. I did go with 
and 
at. 
one point. 
Q. 
Okay. When you would go to the beach 
resort -- and I'm talking about the day before 
III approaches you now. 
A. 
Uh-huh. 
Q. 
In the past when you would go there, is it a 
place you would go just yourself and with friends of 
would your parents take you there? 
A. 
friends. 
Q. 
day that you talked to 
A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
So they were 
been there before? 
A. 
Uh-huh, yes. 
Usually a place that I would go with my 
Had your parents ever been there before that 
familiar of the location and had 
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(561) 832-7506 
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Q. 
And they would also let you go to this place 
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alone? 
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A. 
With friends. 
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Q. 
How would you get there? 
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A. 
Drive. 
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Q. 
You? 
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A. 
Yes. 
8 
Q. 
So you would have -- you had a driver's 
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license at 16? 
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A. 
Yes. 
11 
Q. 
Just going back to what we had asked at the 
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beginning. 
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Did you have your own car? 
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A. 
Yes. 
15 
Q. 
What kind of car were you driving back then? 
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Was it the same pickup truck that you had later? 
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A. 
I don't remember. 
(561) 832-7500 
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(561) 832-7506 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401477476-2895) 
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PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
(561) 832-7506 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401477476-2895) 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401477476-2895) 
1f88f113-5663-4dad-94e7-90ftb7174075 
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before the day that 
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time for right now. 
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with friends? 
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Yes. 
Q. 
Okay. Once again, this is the period of time 
approaches you about 
Jeffrey Epstein. I just want to focus on that period of 
When you would go to this 
what was the main purpose of you going there; in other 
words, why were you going? 
A. 
To have fun. 
Q. 
Go hang out on the beach, get a tan, hang out. 
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(561) 832-7506 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401477476-2895) 
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Would you ever drink there at the 
MS. 
: Objection. I've already 
instructed her not to answer this question. You're 
just using this example as a back doorway into the 
same question. We're still prior to her meeting 
If you have a specific question 
with regard to that day, please go ahead; 
otherwise, it's the same objection. 
MR. 
: Okay. 
BY MR. 
Q. 
When you would go to the 
don't answer this because she's going to 
object -- while you were there prior to that day that 
approached you with Jeffrey Epstein, had 
anyone 
ever provided you with any 
drugs? 
MS. 
: Same objections. 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
MS. 
: Do not answer. 
BY MR. 
Q. 
Same thing, don't answer this until she 
objects, if she's going to object, which she will. 
Had 
prior to that day ever 
provided you with any drugs? 
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MS. 
: Same objections. 
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Do not answer. 
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BY MR. 
4 
Q. 
And by "drugs," I meant, obviously, illegal 
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drugs or drugs that were not prescribed to you by a 
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doctor. Okay? 
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MR. 
: Same objection? 
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MS. 
: Same objection. 
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Do not answer. 
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BY MR. 
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Q. 
All right. When you would go to the 
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prior to that day that we're going to get. 
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to in a minute, how old were the people that you were 
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going with? 
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A. 
My age. 
16 
Q. 
All right. Anyone that would go with you that 
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was older than you, boys or girls? 
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A. 
Yes. 
19 
Q. 
Who? 
23 
Q. 
Any boys that would go? 
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A. 
I don't remember. 
25 
Q. 
Any boys that would meet you there? 
(561) 832-7500 
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A. 
Don't remember. 
2 
Q. 
The times that you went to the 
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can you remember any boys that happened to show 
up there or meet you there or hang out with you while 
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you were there? 
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A. 
I don't remember. 
7 
Q. 
Were there any boys that you socialized with 
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at that point in your life? Just friends? 
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At that point in my life, yes. 
Q. 
Who? 
A. 
Q • 
Hang on one second. 
A. 
, I think. 
Q. 
A. 
Q. 
A. 
Q. 
A. 
And the other name? I'm sorry. 
Can you spell that last name? 
Anyone else? 
Not that I can remember. 
Q. 
Were 
and 
about your age? 
A. 
No. 
Q. 
How old were they? 
A. 
This is going back when I was 16? 
Q. 
Yep. We're still at that same point in your 
is that 
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life right before the day 
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approaches you 
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about Jeffrey Epstein. 
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A. 
They had already graduated high school, so at 
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least 18. 
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Q. 
How did you know 
and 
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A. 
lived the street up from me on the corner 
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house. 
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Q. 
Okay. 
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BY MR. 
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Q. 
All right. When you would go to the 
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, were there ever any other boys that would 
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show up there and hang out with you guys, other than, 
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say, 
or 
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A. 
I don't remember. 
2 
Q. 
Any boys that you can remember that would come 
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there your age; in other words, from school that you 
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knew? 
S 
A. 
I can't recall. 
6 
Q. 
All right. You had mentioned that 
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you knew, but she wasn't a close friend at that 
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point, correct? 
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A. 
Yes. 
10 
Q. 
How did you know her, just from school? 
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A. 
Just from 
12 
Q. 
All right. Had you had her in classes before? 
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Was she in social activities and you just knew her? How 
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is it that you knew her? 
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A. 
I can't remember. 
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Q. 
Okay. I want you to describe for me and go 
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back to that day in which she approached you, as best 
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you can, exactly how that incident happened. 
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A. 
I was at the 
with a couple friends. 
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was walking around and me and her were standing and we 
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were talking. And she had asked me if I wanted to make 
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any money, what my situation was. We exchanged 
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information and we went on our separate ways. 
24 
Q. 
Okay. Let me ask you just a couple questions 
25 
about that. 
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