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Okay. When the second time you went, how did you, 
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Asked -- when he asked -- when he gave me $300 and 
asked me to come back, I had left him my cell phone number. 
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Okay. 
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And 
called me and told me that Jeff had 
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Okay. Do you recall when this was? 
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No. I know it started like this time last year 
because I think about January is the last time I went when I 
met my boyfriend and he didn't want me going down there. 
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So January of this year was the last time you 
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Yeah. 
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Okay. All right. So she calls you and tells you 
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(Inaudible.) 
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-- tells you to come to the house to provide, to 
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Uh-huh. 
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Did anything happen during that massage? 
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No. The only thing he ever did was he tried to 
grab my butt and I told him I didn't feel comfortable with 
that and he always said that if you didn't feel comfortable 
just to let him know. He didn't want you to feel 
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uncomfortable. 
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Was that on the second massage? 
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No. Probably about towards the end because I was 
fully clothed until the third massage. 
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Okay. 
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That was the massage. That's when just I did it 
in my bra and underwear. And then after that is when I 
started feeling uncomfortable with it because he was like 
why don't you take that off and I was like no. And then 
just -- he never pressured me. He never forced me to do 
anything. But he would like try to talk you into it and I 
didn't feel comfortable with it. 
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Okay. So you recall both -- the first two times? 
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Uh-huh. 
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Did he touch himself during the second massage? 
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I guess kinda he would sometimes. 
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What do you mean? 
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Well not -- like towards the end when I was in my 
bra and underwear like sometimes when I would be rubbing his 
chest then he would. 
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Okay. Did he do it on the second time you went? 
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No. 
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Okay. The third time you went, how were you 
contacted to go? 
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called me again. 
I 
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there's more to that. More to the massage. Okay? That's 
why I didn't want mom to be in here. And you can talk to me 
about anything. Okay? Like I said, I've interviewed other 
people already who have told me what transpired in that 
room. I know it's going to be difficult for you but... 
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Well, the first time I went there I did a massage 
and he was just asking me a lot of questions. He seemed 
like really nice. And then he kept like staring at me and 
stuff. And then like I did a massage and he just kept 
looking at me and he was like oh, you're being shy and I'm 
like yeah. And he's like do you feel uncomfortable and I 
was like yeah, a little bit. And he's like okay. And he 
said well do you want to stop, and I was like no, it's okay. 
And he was like why are you like being shy and : was like 
oh, I don't know. And then he would like change the subject 
and he started talking about other things. And then when we 
were done he said that if like I wanted to come back and do 
more then he would like pay me more and then I would have to 
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and I could come back. 
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Okay. What kind of questions did he ask you as 
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He was asking about -- it was a year ago. I don't 
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remember everything but... 
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Right. 
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He was just asking me if I had any friends that 
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Okay. At what point did he reach out to try to 
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While he just before he started to rub his nipples 
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he goes I'm going to touch you the way that I like to be 
touched and I was like I don't feel comfortable that way. 
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I'm fine. /ell continue to give you a massage but I don't 
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want -- I'm very uncomfortable. Because 
before she 
told me if I felt uncomfortable just tell him and he'd back 
off. So I told him that I was uncomfortable like after he 
started to touch me and he kept ejaculating after that. 
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Okay. He touched your buttocks? 
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Yes. 
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Did he touch your vagina area? 
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I would not let him. No. 
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Okay. And you mentioned your breast area. 
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Right. 
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Did he try 
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At first it was just outside my pants and then he 
tried to -- I had a belt on with my jeans so he tried to go 
like inside from behind but he could not and I was like I'm 
not comfortable. 
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Okay. He put his hands under you: shirt? 
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Correct. 
Q 
Okay. And you had a bra on, correct? 
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Yeah, just to bring a girl. 
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And the girl that was going knew that she would 
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She knew everythidg. She knew everything. 
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Because that was one of Jeffrey's rules-. 1' had a grobleth 
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wfth girls coming to the house that didn't know what thy 
were getting into. He would tell met yo.9, know, make sure 
these girls know what I expect. MAAce supp,ihey know what 
tkey want. Because when thWy. get Ali that witmea don't 
want -- they need to know. 
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case, she knew everything she 
was getting herself into. It was all volunteered. 
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Okay. What did you tell her that she was going to 
do? 
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I told her the same thing. I told her I -- you 
know, this guy Jeffrey -- she came to me saying she needed 
money, da da da da da. I basically told her about it. She 
was like, you know, what do you have to do. I told her, I 
was like, you know, the more you do the more you make. 
That's It. You're going to have to take -- you're going 
in order to make money you're going to have to go up there, 
you're going to take your clothes off. But the more you do 
is the more you make. She walked out of there with $300 so 
she obviously and evidently let him do a little more. Plus 
on her way home she kind of told me what she did. 
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calls us when she gets in town. 
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I've called him maybe once or twice to see if he 
was in town when I used to work for him but primarily 
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So she would call you and say okay, he's coming in 
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Friday at 7 he wants someone to work for him. 
Saturday around 12. 
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Okay. Let's talk about 
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Okay. 
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at the time was dating your cousin, right? 
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Uh-huh. 
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Okay. She told you she needed to make money. She 
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I told her. 
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You had told trer you worked for Jeffrey? 
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Uh-huh. 
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And did you tell her what it entailed? 
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(Nods head yes.) 
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Okay. So she knew that? 
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She knew everything before she even agreed to it. 
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Contact. Pldbtty tech, yeah? L.edld her. I told 
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on.with the girls 'that go-up:there/It- . I told her likW it's 
your call. I was 1-iRe l.e ydu wart to do this, fine. If 
not, fine. gut ellen you go•im ttat room fdan't want to 
hear you say oh, T didte:b. know he- As going to do all that 
because I'm telling you not whet he'eaxpect4ng. 
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And basIcally itti:teuchigg? 
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Fondling. 
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Fondling? 
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Looking, whatever. And I told her just remember 
the more you do, the more you make. But that's up to you. 
She asked me and I flat out told her I wouldn't, I wouldn't 
do more. 
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Okay. Yeah. You made that clear that you 
wouldn't do more. 
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No. Screw that. 
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But as far as 
is concerned --
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Yeah. 
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-- what did she tell you that happened in that 
room? 
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Exact words? If I can recall when she came 
downstairs, when she came downstairs me and her and I 
believe it was Serina I was with, we all walked out. We got 
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What do you mean? 
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Like if they, they wanted to work, how did you 
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For the most part because like I said, two were my 
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friends. The others were like my acquaintances. It was a 
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them. 
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Just take a deep breath. Take a deep breath 
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because I can see you working up again. You're working up 
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the tears. I can see it. I don't want to get you like 
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I pretty much would just ask them. 
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Straight up? 
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If you're looking for extra money let me know. 
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This guy down in Palm Beach, he's really, really, really 
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wealthy. You have to give him a massage. That's all I 
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yes, I want to do it, I would gb in detail with them before 
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Did you tell them that you were going to make 
money for bringing them over? 
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Most part I believe they knew. 
knew. 
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you're breaking me off more. And they did. And 
after that Jeffrey said he didn't want her working 
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Yes. 
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Yeah. 
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I think I remember 
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know what I mean? He would -- something to the extent where 
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like hey, if he's like will you do this feel free to say no 
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Okay. And what you mean by he wants to do this, 
it's more than a massage? 
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Right. 
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Okay. What do you know of that goes on up in the 
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Nobody ever wanted to tell me anything. Just that 
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to be true. And as I found out it wasn't quite what she 
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Uh-huh. 
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talk to me without any problems. Trust me, there's nothing 
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you're going to say that's going to shock me. I've talked 
to a lot of girls that visited the house. So this girl 
took you. 
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Uh-huh. 
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And told you for -- a massage for $200. Did she 
tell you you'd have to provide the massage naked? 
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She said that I might have to take off my clothes 
but that I'd be able to leave on my underwear which was 
true. 
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Okay. So talk to me about the first time you went 
to the house. 
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I went -- 
went in with me and brought me 
upstairs to the room that's like off to the side of his 
bedroom and showed me how to set up the table and where all 
the lotion is and everything. And then she went outside to 
wait for me. 
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Okay. 
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Um, a couple of days later, I believe it was a Saturday night. I'm 
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almost positive it was, cause I know I didn't have to go to school 
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Saturday night after that. She set it up, and I picked her up from 
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the her apartment, and we drove to the island and I worked, urn, 
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Maybe two, I'm not sure, I didn't really keep track 
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She said that he wanted cute girls, so I looked cute, did my best, I 
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crazy? Like, this guy's not gotma pay you money for not doing 
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anything, not letting him copa feel or nothing. You know? So I 
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