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SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA 
CASE NO. 08-CIV-80119-MARRA/JOHNSON 
JANE DOE NO. 2, 
Plaintiff, 
vs-
JEFFREY EPSTEIN, 
Defendant. 
Related cases: 
08-80232, 08-08380, 08-80381, 08-80994, 
08-80993, 08-80811, 08-80893, 09-80469, 
09-80591, 09-80656, 09-80802, 09-81092, 
DEPOSITION OF JANE DOE $17 - VOLUME III 
(videotaped) 
Monday, March 15, 2010 
10:02 - 6:49 p.m. 
250 Australian Avenue South 
Suite 1500 
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 
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APPEARANCES: 
On behalf of the Plaintiffs in related cases 
Nos. 08-80069, 08-80119, 08-80232, 08-80380, 
0840381, os-so993, 08-86994: 
ADAM D. HOROWITZ, ESQUIRE 
MERMELSTEIN & HOROWITZ, PA. 
18205 Biscayne Boulevard 
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On behalf of the Defendant Jeffrey Epstein: 
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ROBERT D. CRITTON, JR., ESQUIRE 
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THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are back on the record 
at 4:08 pm. 
BY MR. CRITTON: 
Q. Jane Doe 7, in your supplemental answers to 
interrogatories, you listed the names and addresses and 
phone numbers, number 18, and I don't know whether I 
used that as an exhibit — this will be Exhibit 9. 
(The document was matted Defendant's 
Exhibit 9 for identification.) 
BY MR. CRITTON: 
Q. There area couple of supplements you filed 
which as things come to you, I think, or your attorneys. 
Anyhow, this one deals with males that you had sexual 
activity. You listed Mr. Evans, Bryant —
MR. HOROWITZ: You handed us two different 
things. This is a request to produce. 
MR. CRTITON: Oh, Tin sorry. 
MR. HOROWITZ: No problem. 
MR. CRT TON: Give this back. This will be 
number nine. 
(Discussion held off the record.) 
BY MR. CRITTON: 
Q. Is that the right one that has Mr. Evans? 
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There is a person listed as Bryant. Who is he? 
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A. He a friend from Orlando. 1 kind of dated 
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him. 
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Q. And so of the five individuals you have here, 
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Mr. Evans, Bryant, Mackenzie Russell, PJ Tao and Blake 
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Russell, are the only individuals with whom you have had 
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any type of sexual activity since the time you were ten 
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years old? 
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A. Yeah, other than like kissing. I don't 
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remember everybody I kissed and stuff like that. 
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Q. All right. 1 want to go back to a couple of 
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areas to make sure I got all the information on it. 
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At the time that you met with the officers 
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from Palm Beach, you said, do you remember one of them 
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being a person named Recarey, R-e-c-a-r-e-y, 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. I think you said there were two males. Do you 
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remember who the other male was? 
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A. I think his name was Joe something. 
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Q. Joe something, all right. And, Mr. Recarey's 
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first name, Detective Recarey's first name is Joe 
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Recarey. 
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Q. Do you remember what the other person looked 
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like? Not Mr. Recarey, but the other one. 
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A. He was like just an older man. He was kind of 
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bigger, gray hair, I think. 
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Q. All right. And in terms of that individual, 
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did he say anything or was it Officer Recarey who 
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conducted the interview with you? 
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A. I think it was Officer Recarey mostly. 
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Q. Did you eves have any subsequent contact with 
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him? Did you ever talk to him after the interview on 
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October 4th of 2005? 
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A. I don't think so. I don't remember. 
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Q. When he talked to you, that is, when he 
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introduced himself to you, did he explain to you how he 
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found you, that is, how he knew that you may have had 
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some involvement with Mr. Epstein? 
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A. I think it was somebody told him. 
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Q. Did he tell you who the somebody was? 
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A. No. 
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Q. Did he tell you when you met with him, and 
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again before he started the tape of the statement, did 
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he tell you that, that he had interviewed a number of 
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other females? 
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A. I don't remember if he told me that or not. 
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Q. Did he tell you, you know, tell us everything 
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because we've heard stories from other people, so we 
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car? 
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A. Yeah, I think so. 
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Q. So they actually showed you, was it a color 
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picture or black and white picture? 
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A. .Black and white. 
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Q. So they actually had a picture of what, the 
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rear of your car that had the license plate number? 
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A. I'm almost positive. 
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Q. So when they showed you the picture of your 
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car, and you had said that earlier in your testimony, 
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you recognized right away as they knew that you had been 
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there? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. All right Did you ask him how old the 
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picture was? 
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A. No, I didn't. 
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Q. And they just said that they had had him under 
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some surveillance fora period of time? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. Did they show you more than one picture of 
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your car so that, that suggested that they had taken a 
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picture of your car on a number of occasions? 
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A. No. 
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Q. Did they tell you whether they knew any other 
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people who had been to his house? That is, did they use 
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have an idea of what may have occurred at Mr. Epstein's 
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house? 
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A. Like front the very beginning of me going? 
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Q. No, no, no. When you first met with him after 
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you sent Mom back into the house, did Officer Recarey 
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say to you "Hey, lane Doe 7, you can tell us what went 
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on because we've heard stories from other people, so 
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tell us everything that happened"? 
That is, did he try to make you comfortable so 
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you would talk to him? 
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THE WITNESS: I don't exactly remember what he 
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said, but basically he showed me the picture of my 
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car or my license plate or something. He said that 
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they have been like watching Jeffrey and they know 
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I've been there because they saw my car there. 
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Q. Okay. Did they tell you how long they had 
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been watching Jeffrey? 
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A. No, I don't think so. 
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Q. Did you get the impression that over the last 
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few months they had been watching him? 
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Q. Okay. And so the picture they had, did they 
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any names? 
A. I think they j ust said other girls in my high 
school. 
Q. And the only name you gave them was Jane 
Doe 4? 
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too? 
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Q. Did they show you any other photographs of 
either his house, any other cars, any other vehicles, or 
was it just yours? 
A. I think tlisiright have -- yeah, they showed 
me a picture of = 
and they asked ra
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girl in the picture, and I identified her 
Q. Did you ever Imw what 
last name was? 
A. It began with al, something. 
Q. Did she ever introduce herself to you? 
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Asil=, or did she just say my name is 
A. I don't remember. 
Q. Was she nice to you? 
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Q. Friendly? 
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Q. How old did you thinavms? 
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A. She looked about in her nu twenties. 
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Q. All right. And did you tell them that? Did 
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they ask you about her at all? 
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A. Yes. I think they just asked if I recognized 
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her and just asked what I saw her doing there and stuff 
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like that. 
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called 
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you during the time, either just before or urmg the 
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time you were being interviewed by the police? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. And did you take her call? 
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A. No. 
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Q. Did you call her back? 
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A. No. I just listened to her voicemail. 
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Q. What did — did you play the voicemail for the 
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police? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. Okay. And did they record it? 
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A. I think so, yes. 
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Q. What did the voicemail say, to the best of 
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your knowledge or recollection? 
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A. Just that "Hi, Jane Doe 7, this is M." I 
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think she just asked if there was cops at my house and 
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if I was talking to them. And she said for me to call 
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he suggest things, like we know this, we know that? 
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Like your car, we know you were there because here's a 
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picture of your car and your license plate. Isn't that 
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your car and license plate? 
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THE WITNESS: The only thing he suggested is 
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he just kind of knew I was there, so —
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Q. Did he ever tell you what some of the other 
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females had said had occurred at Mr. Epstein's house? 
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A. I don't remember exactly what he said to me. 
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Q. Did they ever tell you that some of the other 
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females were saying that Mr. Epstein did X or Y with 
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them? X or Y could be anything, but did he say well, we 
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know Female ABC did such and such, or at least she says 
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she did such and such with Mr. Epstein or he did such 
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and such with her? 
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Did he suggest that? 
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A. I don't remember. 
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and I think they asked 
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you, because I asked you earlier and you had told them 
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that at least in the visit that you had under oath with 
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them is that you had, he had not masturbated when you 
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were there, correct? 
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her back. 
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A. No. They told me not to. 
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Q. They being the police? 
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Q. Did they tell you anything else to do or not 
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to do? 
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A. Just not really to talk about it with anybody. 
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Q. Did they tell you not to tell your parents? 
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A. No, they never said that. 
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Q. Did they tell you that if somebody called you 
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on behalf of Mr. Epstein not to talk to them? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. Did they mention at that time anything about 
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the US attorney or the FBI? 
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A. No. 
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Q. Did anyone else, did either Officer Recarey or 
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anyone else from Palm Beach ever try to recontact you 
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for a followup interview or to clarify something? 
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A. No. 
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Q. And I think you told me earlier they never 
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sent you anything? 
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A. No. 
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Q. When Officer Recarey was talking to you, did 
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he — and i don't mean this in a negative way, but did 
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Q. mars what you told them that day? 
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THE WITNESS: I believe so. 
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BY MR. CRITION: 
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Q. And did they say "Well, other females had said 
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that Mr. Epstein masturbated, did he do that when you 
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were there?" 
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Did they suggest things like that in askinr 
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questions? 
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A. !thinks*, yes. 
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Q. Okay. And did he reassert to you, did he tell 
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you at any time "You can tell us anything, you are not 
going to get in any trouble"? 
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THE WITNESS: I don't remember if he said that 
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or not. 
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Q. Well, did he ever say to you if in fact you 
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received money for having taken people to Mr. Epstein's, 
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you could be charged with a crime under Florida law? 
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Did he tell you that? 
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A. No. 
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Q. Okay. Did he ever read you your Miranda 
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A. No. 
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Q. Were you concerned that you might be charged 
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with a crime? 
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A. Yes. 
Q. Because you thought you had committed a crime? 
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get in trouble for going there. 
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you described. 
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Did you know who she was before she called 
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you? 
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A. No. 
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Q. She just called you out of the blue one day? 
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A. I think she called me and — actually, I think 
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Agent Nezbit from the FBI might have told me something 
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that she, she was the attorney general maybe, I think 
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I don't 
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Q. Nezbit is the female FBI agent, correct? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. And then when she came to (bland° to meet with 
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you and you met at Starbuck's, she had a male agent with 
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her as well? 
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Q. Did she have the statement that you had given 
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to the Palm Beach police? 
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A. I think so, yes. 
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Q Did she ask you about the statement? That is, 
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did she quiz you from the statement? 
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Did it sound like she had a transcript of your 
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statement so she was asking you questions, did this 
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happen, did that happen? 
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A. Yeah, she basically asked me if what I told 
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the Palm Beach police was true. She said that she knew, 
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you know, a lot of girls did a lot more things with 
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them, what I have said, and she basically knew, you 
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know, I felt that she knew a lot more. 
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So 1 just told her the truth, that 1 lied to 
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them and that I finally, you know, broke down and told 
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her everything that happened. 
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Q. And did she encourage you to do that? I mean 
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did she tell you "A lot of other girls have come forward 
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and said XY, that XYZ happened at Mr. Epstein's, so 
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please tell us everything"? 
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THE WITNESS: Well, she kind of acted like she 
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already knew and she knew a lot more went on than 
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Q. And I think you said you spent an hour and a 
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half, two hours with them? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. And you recall that they took a taped 
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statement from you? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. Much like FBI did — Pm sorry, much like the 
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Palm Beach police did? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. Did they talk to you fora period of time 
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before they turned on their tape recorder? 
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A. I don't remember. 
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Q. You just remember them taking a taped 
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statement? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. Okay. Did they also take notes? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. And who was taking the notes, the male or the 
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FBI Agent Nezbit? 
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A. The male was. 
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Q. And was the Agent Nezbit, was she, did she 
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what I told the officers in Palm Beach. 
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Q. And whether she did or not, you don't blow, 
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that's how she played it, so to speak? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. All right. Did, after the hour or two that 
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you spent with Agent Nezbit, was she someone who — did 
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you get emotional with Agent Nezbit? 
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A. Yeah, I mean I felt like i could like open up 
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to her more than I could guys, you know. 
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Q. Did she give you a hug when you left? 
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A. No. 
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Q. Shake hands? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. Was she warm, comforting? 
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A. Yeah, she was nice. 
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Q. And did she give you her card and say "Jane 
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Doe 7, If you ever have any issues associated with this, 
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you can call me any time at this number"? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. All right. And did you ever call her? 
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A. Yes, I called her a couple of times. 
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Q. For what? 
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A. Just called her to ask what was going on with 
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the case and if she heard any news and things like that. 
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Q. Did you ever call her back to get the name of 
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an attorney? 
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A. No. 
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Q. And I think you told me she said if you ever 
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need the name of an attorney, she could give you one, 
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but you would have to call her? 
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said about the attorney stuff. 
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Q. Did Officer Nezbit ever call you independently 
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of you calling her? 
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A. About what? 
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Q. Whatever. 
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Q. You said you called her on two occasions to 
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find out status. 
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A. Yeah. 
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Q. Okay. And I think you told me you don't know 
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when you first talked to her. 
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A. She called me again to ask me if there were 
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any details that I left out or anything like that Just 
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A. Maybe a month maybe. 
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Q. Did they arrange that before they came back up 
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or did they call you out of the blue? 
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A. Well, no, they arranged it to come back up. 
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Q. Why did they tell you they needed to see you 
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again? 
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A. They just wanted to make sure everything was 
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correct and go over everything with me again. 
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Q. Did they have like a statement that they were 
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now reading ftom? 
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Did they have an outline that they were 
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reading from when they came to meet with you on the 
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second occasion? 
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A. I don't remember. 
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Q. How long did that meeting last? 
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A. I think about an hour. 
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Q. And It was just the two of them? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. Did they record you at that occasion again? 
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A. I think so, yes. 
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Q. So on both occasions that the FBI met with 
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you, you recall them taking a recorded statement from 
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you? 
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basically asked me if I remembered anything. She called 
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me about that. 
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Q. All right. And you told her what? 
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Did you add any details? 
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A. I don't remember. 
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Q. That's when she called you? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. Okay. And then, and that's the only time she 
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ever called you after the first interview? 
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A. Well, no, they came back up to Orlando. 
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Q. A second time? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. Oh, I didn't know that. All right, they came 
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back a second time. Meet at Starbucks again? 
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A. No, we met at the Radisson. 
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Q. All right. Were they staying there? 
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A. I think, yeah. Well, I don't know if they 
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were staying there or not actually. 
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Q. Where did you meet, in the restaurant? 
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A. No, we met like in a conference center. 
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Q. Who was t ere other than you? 
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A. The same two people, just me and her and the 
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same guy. 
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Q. How much time transpired between the first 
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Q. And on the second occasion did you provide 
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them any additional information? 
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A. I don't remember. 
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Q. Did they provide you any additional 
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information, such u we've talked to a number of other 
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females and they have told us X, Y and Z, did this 
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happen? Did that happen? 
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think they, yeah, said something like that, yeah. 
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Q. So they gave you some more at least 
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information. Again, you don't know whether it's true or 
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not, but they said "Well, we found out this or we found 
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out that. Did that happen to your 
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A. I believe so. 
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Q. All right. Did they, after that second 
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occasion, did they ever recontact you? 
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A. Agent Nezbit did, just, she would call me and 
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fill me in on what was going on. 
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Q. How many more times did Agent Nezbit call? 
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A. I think once or twice after that. She didn't 
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call me a lot. 
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Q. Did she ever ask you what your feelings were 
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about any criminal prosecutions directed to Mr. Epstein? 
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A. No. 
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A. No. 
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A. I want to say I don't remember. I think Agent 
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Q. And at the time, so if — and !know that, I 
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think you said that at the time that you spoke with Jane 
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attorney, a your recollection was you didn't think you 
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Q. And you said a lawyer to protect yourself. 
Protect yourself from what? 
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A. I don't, I don't know what she was referring 
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Q. Okay. Did she tell you you might have a civil 
claim or you would have a civil claim against 
Mr. Epstein? 
A. No. 
Q. Did she tell you the deal that the government 
had worked out or was attempting to work out would 
provide a civil remedy for individuals who had gone to 
Mr. Epstein, females who had gone to Mr. Epstein's 
house? 
A. No. 
Q. Do you ever remember receiving a letter from 
her that said you may have a civil remedy that you can 
pursue under a specific federal statute? 
A. I think I received a letter, but I don't 
remember what it said. It might have said something 
like that. 
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your dad, you disclosed to them, that is the day that 
Officer Recarey was there, October 4 of 2005, has your 
mom ever discussed it with you? Not necessarily the 
details, but how she feels about it. 
A. I mean she's read the newspapers and obviously 
she doesn't like him, but I mine she actually didn't 
want me to go ahead with the lawsuit. 
Q. She didn't? 
A. No. 
Q. Why not? 
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A. She thought it would bring more stress and 
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Q. Has it? 
A. I mean, of course, hearing everything, hearing 
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it, yeah. 
Q. Over the lawsuit? 
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lawsuit? Did he ever express any opinion? 
A. My dad just basically said it was up to me to 
do what I wanted to do. 
Q. Has your room ever said to you that she's angry 
with you for ever having gone there? 
A. I mean no. She was upset about it, and at 
first she like asked me how I could have been so stupid 
and why I would have went there. But I mean she 
understands that I was young and confiised at the time, 
so--
Q. Did your dad ever ask you? 
A. No. My dad didn't really talk about it. 
Q. Are you closer to your mom or your dad? You 
love them both, right? 
A. Yeah. 
Q. And they both love you? 
A. (Witness nods head up and down.) 
Q. Supportive of you? 
A. Yes. 
Q. And they are supportive of you getting a 
career, certainly a job? 
A. Yes. 
Q. Every parent wants their child to get a job, 
that's good. 
Do they want you to come back to Palm Beach 
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does what? 
A. They are liquor too. 
Q. But they are two different entities? 
A. Yes. One is just like a modeling agency. 
Well, its just like an agency where they have girls 
that they hire to like the liquor company, and that's 
out of Tampa, but they have jobs in jobs in Orlando that 
I do. I have driven to Tampa before. 
Q So you will go to Tampa to do this work too? 
A. Yes, sometimes. 
Q. How much do you get paid for doing that? 
A. $25 an hour. 
Q. 25 bucks an hour? 
A. Uh huh. 
Q. All you have to do is go to a bar, look 
pretty, have a cute outfit on, and hand out liquor? 
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hour, and bow long is the gig usually? 
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go to, sometimes ifs two. Sometimes it's five bars. 
Q. So it might be six to ten hours? 
A. Its neva ten hours, but ifs usually from 
lace three to five hours. 
Q. All right. Do they pay in cash? 
A. No, I get a paycheck. 
Q. So you get a 1099? 
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you have been to Tampa. 
A. Yes. 
Q. Have you been to any other cities other than 
Tampa? 
A. No. 
Q. If you have to go to Tampa, do they put you up 
overnight? 
A. No. 
Q. How long have you been doing this twice a 
week? 
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started picking up more shifts now that I only have 
three classes. Last semester I was taking six classes, 
sol didn't really have time to do that much. 
Q. Now you do it approximately two times a week? 
A. Yeah, I try to pick up as many shifts as I 
can. 
Q. And they just go to different ban in Orlando? 
A. Not just bars. Restaurants too. 
Do you have my Advil at all? 
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4:21 p.m. 
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Q. Ma'am, have you ever been treated in a drug or 
an alcohol program? 
A. No. 
Q. Have you ever had an HIV test? 
A. No. 
Q. To the best of your knowledge, you are not HIV 
positive? 
A. No. 
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Q. Jane Doe? 
A. No. 
Q. Jane Doe 6? 
A. No. 
Q. Jane Doe 2? 
A. No. 
Q. L.L.? 
A. No. 
Q. K.H.? 
A. Yes. 
Q. How do you know K.H.? 
A. She goes to my school, or went to my school, 
high school. 
Q. How about Jane Doe 101? 
A. Sounds kind of familiar. 
Q. But you can't place her? 
A. I./ uh. 
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you? 
A. No. 
Q. Is K.H. your age or older? 
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she didn't really go into detail. 
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That's at the Soverel Marina? 
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A. Yes. 
Q. Did she ever go to Epstein's? 
A. Yes. 
Q. How do you know that? 
A. Because she told me. 
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A. Yes. 
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A. The last time I was down in Palm Beach. 
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A. No, I don't really remember. 
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Q. Did she know that you had been to Epstein's? 
A. Yes. 
Q. Did she know that you area plaintiff in a 
lawsuit? 
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THE WITNESS: Yes. 
BY MR. CRITTON: 
Q. How did she know you were a plaintiff in a 
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MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 
THE WITNESS: I don't know who told her. She 
asked me about it. 
BY MR. CRITTON: 
Q. Did you confinn to her that you had in fact 
brought a suit against Mr. Epstein? 
A. Yes. 
Q. If somebody asks you whether you are a 
plaintiff in a lawsuit against Mr. Epstein, do you tell 
them yes? 
A. If they are one of my close friends. If I 
don't know them, no. 
Q. Okay. Wein, is she a friend as you 
described earlier? 
A. Yes. 
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Q. Or a good friend? 
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A. She's a friend, yes. 
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Q. Someone you might trust or you might not? 
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A. She knew about it before when we were in high 
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school. 
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Q. She knew what, that you had gone there? 
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A. Yes. 
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THE WITNESS: Everybody knew. She was in our 
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Q. So ever/body who was in your Mend group knew 
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who had gone to Epstein's? 
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A. I mean basically it was me, Jane Doe 4,E, 
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lane Doe 3, we were all friends, so we all knew. 
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Q. And did J.S. ever describe her visits, visit 
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or visits to Epstein's? 
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A. I think she only watt once. 
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Q. Did she tell you why? 
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A. Yeah, she said that he like seared her or 
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something and tried to like make her do something and 
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she never went back. 
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Q. Okay. Were you still going to Epstein's at 
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the time you heard that? 
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A. Yeah. 
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Q. And she said she had given a deposition? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. Do you know if she's married? 
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A. She said she was divorced. 
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Q. She told you she was divorced? 
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A. Or they are separated, not divorced, I think 
Q. Which did she tell you? 
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A. !think separated. 
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A. I think she was kind of embarrassed about it, 
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so she didn't really go into detail with me. 
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Q. Did you go to her wedding %Olen she got 
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trawled? 
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A. No. 
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Q. Have you ever — she has a child, doesn't she? 
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A. No. 
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Q. She doesn't have a child? 
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A. No. 
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Q. Jane Doe 3, was she someone, Jane Doe 3, did 
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you see her do, when she drank with you all in high 
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school, alcohol? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. And did you see her do drugs in high school? 
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A. No. 
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A. I don't remember when it was. 
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Q. Did you say to her that never happened to me? 
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A. I don't remember exactly what I told her. 
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just remember her telling me that. 
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Q. Did she say that she has any interest in 
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bringing a lawsuit against him? 
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A. No. 
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Q. Did she ask you how your lawsuit was going? 
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A. Na 
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Q. When you saw Jane Doe 3, you went to Noce, 
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what time did you all meet? 
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A. I think around eleven. I was driving home 
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West. 
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Q. And how long did you stay? 
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A. Not long just like two hours. 
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Q. Had a couple of drinks and then headed home? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. Did Jane Doe 3 tell you that she had given her 
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deposition at that point? 
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A. [don't think she has given it yet, at that 
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point, no. 
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Q. But you subsequently talked to her? 
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A. Yes, recently. 
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Q. Over the phone? 
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hospital? 
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Q. Right? 
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A. Not that I can recall, no. 
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Q. I asked you what you told the Palm Beach 
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police the first time you went to Mr. Epstein's house. 
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what you told them as to how you ended up going to 
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Epstein's. I asked you what you had told them. 
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what you told the FBI. At this point I'm beyond that, 
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so let me ask this question. 
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How did you first hear that other people in 
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your grade or at school were going to Mr. Epstein's 
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home? Who did you hear that from? 
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about it w'
 asking me to go. And then after that, 
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remember Jane Doe 4 talking about it and then 
Q. And you said 
asked you to go. And at 
that time I think you said it was, you remembered it 
being in gym class or something like that. 
A. Yes.. 
Q. AndM. was in your grade? 
A. She was a grade ahead of me, but anybody could 
have gym together. 
Q. So what specifically clid 
say to you, your 
best recollection? 
A. She asked me it if I needed a job and if I 
needed money, and then she asked me if I knew how to 
give a massage. And I said yes, but not professionally. 
And she told me that was fine. 
And then she told me how she knows a guy that. 
lives in Palm Beach and will pay me if I give a massage. 
Q. You had been to Palm Beach before? 
A Yes. 
Q. And I assume based on what you told me earlier 
you had been to the beach in Palm Beach? 
A. Yes. 
Q. And had your dad driven you over there in Palm 
Beach because this is where I work, this is the kind of 
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you want to make some money, you have to give a 
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massage." 
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You said, "I'm not a professional, but I've 
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given massages before"? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. Who had you ever given a massage to? 
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A. I don't remember, just girlfriends mainly, 
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like back massages. 
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Q. So did you este when she said, you know. 
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you can make some money, did she tell you how much you 
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could make? 
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A. Yeah, l think she said 5200. 
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Q. And did she say whether she was going to make 
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any money? 
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A. No. 
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Q. And did you say okay, did you say "Yeah, I'm 
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interested"; or "No, I'm not interested, let me think 
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*bout it"? 
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A. I told ha I was interested. 
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Q. Why were you interested in any way 
well, 
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is the massage going take place?" 
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houses i inspect? 
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A. He works like downtown. He doesn't work like 
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on Palm Beach island. 
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Q. Where does he work when you say downtown, West 
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Palm? That's where his office is? 
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A. Yeah, West Palm. 
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Q. Okay. Had he ever driven you over there? 
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A. I mean yeah, he's driven over there to go to 
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the beach and stuff. 
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Q. Had you walked up and down at times, you and 
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your mom at times walked up and down Worth Avenue and 
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then gone over to the beach just to look? 
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A. !mean yeah, i guess. 
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Q. It's a tourist spot? 
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A. Yes, I've been to Worth Avenue before. 
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you were familiar with Palm 
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said — so when she said there is a 
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and you had been on the island before, correct? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. And did she tell you how old the person was, 
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how old this guy yeas? 
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was interested in making money, I 
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on Tuesday or whatever? 
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A. I don't remember. 
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Q. On any of the times that you ever went to 
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Mr. Epstein's, did you ever miss school to go? 
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A I went on — no, I usually went after school. 
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Q. What time? What time did you get out of 
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school, like two, three o'clock? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. So you would go after you got out of school? 
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A. Yes. 
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that 
going to go a particular day? 
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told me. i guess she made plans with 
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Sarah or Jeffrey. 
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at you guess. St
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say to you? 
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asking me, and then I forget how we actually, when we 
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made plans to go there, like what day, but — and then I 
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rememberus 
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drove? 
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A. Yes. 
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car, a truck, SUV? 
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A. She had a truck. 
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Q. What did it look like, do you remember? 
A. Maroon. 
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Q. Maroon, all right. Now before you went, did 
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supposed to wear?" 
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A. No. That first conversation, she just told me 
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to dress cute. 
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Q. Dress cute? 
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A. Yeah. 
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Q. What's that meat to you or what did that mean 
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to you? 
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A. I don't know. f just wore like my bathing 
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suit, because she said -- like we were planning on going 
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to the beach after. And then I wore a skirt and a tank 
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top? 
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and like flip-flops? 
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A. Uh huh. 
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Q. Yes? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. What did you anticipate, and their arms and 
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their hands and their feet, necks, their head sometimes? 
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A. What did 1 anticipate I was going to do? 
Q. All right. If you — had you seen that on TV? 
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A. I mean yeah, !guess. 
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Q. Okay. So if you had seen that on TV, did you 
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assume that when you went over to earn money to do a 
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massage and you weren't, as you said, you weren't a 
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professional, that you were going to give some guy a 
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massage, so you would be massaging basically a large 
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part of his body? 
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seen it on TV, you understood that people who have 
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massages, males or females, oftentimes they are on 
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either their back or their stomach and then their 
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private parts are covered only with a towel, but they 
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are naked underneath? 
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A. Yes. 
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for giving a massage fora guy, so you knew it was a 
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Q. Did you say "Wait a minute, why do 1 have 
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Q. What's confusing about that? 
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professionally, like massage people dress cute, I don't 
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know. I was like 16. I don't remember. 
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Q. Okay. Where had you ever seen -- had you ever 
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had a massage yourself? 
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Q. Had you ever been to a spa? 
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A. No. I have seen spas before. I have never 
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actually been. 
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massage? 
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in person, but I have known the —
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massage, that is a professional massage, you are 
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massaging their legs and their thighs and their back and 
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their neck, and then they flip over and you do the front 
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Q. Why not? 
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asking her like why he doesn't just hire somebody to 
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give him a massage, and she told me he doesn't like 
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professional people, lace professional massages. 
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said you arc of above average intelligence, so did you 
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say to her at that time wait a minute, why doesn't — 
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you had certainly the common sense to say why doesn't he 
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hire a professional masseuse, and she said well, he 
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doesn't like those. 
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to go gee, why am I going and getting paid $200 versus a 
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professional massager, masseuse? 
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he get a professional, right? 
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A. Yeah. 
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Q. Did you say okay —1 assume when you have 
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been in basically in uniform, sometimes they are in a 
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white uniform or may have a polo shirt on and pants or 
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shorts, right? 
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THE WITNESS: Yes. 
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Q. Have you ever seen people again separate and 
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about from — well, let me strike that. 
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Have you ever seen people give massages in the 
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movies, other than when a guy is giving a girl a massage 
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that they have a relationship, where someone shows up in 
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a swimsuit or a cute little tank top and a skirt? 
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tells you to dress cute. 
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You are going to give a guy who doesn't want 
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professional massage a massage, and you arc not 
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masseuse, right? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. And you didn't ask how old he is, correct? 
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A. Correct 
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Q. Okay. Did you ask who was going to be there? 
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A. No. 
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Q. Did you ask where it's going to be done? 
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A. I think she might have said that. 
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Q. Did she, did you express any concern, like is 
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this guy going to be pushy? Is he nice? Is he an angry 
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kind of person? You know, is he going to be physical 
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with me or verbally abusive in any way? 
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Did you ask any of those questions? 
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A. No. 
Q. Did she say anything when you said — I said 
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did she say anything about that she he was nice and you 
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wouldn't have to worry, and you said you remember her 
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saying something about him being nice, right? 
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A. Yes. 
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physical force or violence or any kind of coercion, that 
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you could feel safe? 
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A. When she said he was 
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done it, I assumed it 
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A. Yes. 
Q. And she said? 
A. At his house. 
Q. Okay. Did you say "Why are we doing it at his 
house?" 
A. I don't remember. 
Q. Did you say "Where are you going to do it in 
the house?" 
A. I don't remember. 
Q. Did you ask her "Am I going to M., are 
you going to be there too?" 
A. She was the one that was bringing me, so yeah, 
I obviously assumed she was going to be there. 
Q. So you assumed she was going to be there. So 
what, did you say "What parts of his body do I have to 
massage?" 
A. Uh uh, 
ask She told me like —
Q. Go ahead. 
A. She told me his legs and his feet is what she 
usually does, but I then never 
really. 
Q. Okay. Do you remem 
telling you that, 
in fact, it was an older man, late miles, fifties? 
A. No. 
Q. Do you remember her telling you he was a nice 
guy? 
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A. No, that would be a lie. 
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Q. Kind of like what you told the Palm Beach 
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A. I guess you would say that. 
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Q. Did she ever say anything that you might be 
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asked to remove your clothes or take off an article of 
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clothing? 
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A. No, not the first time I went. 
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Q. Did she ever give you any indication that you 
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should be — well, let me strike that. 
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Okay, so she makes an arrangement for a time. 
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You don't know how, but she tells you we're going over 
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there at such and such a time, dress cute, right? 
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A. Uh huh. 
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Q. Yes? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. She pit you up? 
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A. I don't — we 'night have left after school. 
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Q. So you might have left right from school? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. Did you just take clothes with you from 
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school? 
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A. Well, we were going to the beach after, so I 
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probably, l remember wearing my bathing suit. 
Q. Did you in fact go to the beach afterwards? 
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A. Yes. 
Q. In Palm Beach? 
A. Yes. 
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year it was now? In thinking of that, it had to have 
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decent. 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. And it was just the two of you? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. On the way over there, did you discuss what 
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you were going to be doing? Were you nervous at all? 
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A. I mean f was a little bit nervous, but I — we 
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didn't really talk about what we were going to be doing. 
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Q. So you got to the house. Did she park on the 
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driveway or on the street? 
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A. The driveway. 
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like offering food. He was cooking. 
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Q. Art 
went upstairs. Did Mr. Epstein come 
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down? 
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A. No, I think she just came back down and told 
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me to go upstairs. 
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Q. Told you to go upstairs? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. Tice first time that you went to the 
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A. Yes, I think that was the first time. 
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Q. So the first time you were there --
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A. Or actually — I don't remember correctly. 
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And then — 
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A. Yes. So yeah, I remember the first time 1 
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tell you she had been there before? 
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A. Yes. 
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don't want to do it"? 
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conflated by everything, but I didn't really say that to 
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her. 
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Q. Why not? 
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A. I mean I didn't know what was going to go on. 
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Q. Well, you could have 
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around and said, "You know 
I don't really feel 
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like doing this," right? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. So you had to -- again, it was your decision. 
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You could either say yes or no, and you said yes, I'm 
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going to go into the house, right? 
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A. Yes. I mean the first time she didn't tell me 
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what was going on at all, so — 
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Q. You go in the house. Was
 there? 
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A. There was a cook there
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Q. And you were in the kitchen? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. And what happened then? 
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They just like offered me food and water and 
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Milinlintroduced herself to rne. And she went up and got 
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Jeffrey. 
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Q. Okay. Did you eat anything when you were 
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where she went up and gave the massage and you just sat 
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in the kitchen? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. Do you remember that being the first time or 
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another time? 
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A. I think it was 
no, it was the second time, 
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because I didn't know the first time what — 
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and she said you can go upstairs? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. Did she take you upstairs? 
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A. Yeah, she walked up there with me. 
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Q. So you followed her? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. Did you go up a stairway, I assume? 
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A. Stairway, yeah. 
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boobs, pictures of like weird drawings. 
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Q. Describe — you said there were some art 
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pictures on the wall that had what, naked people or 
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portions of torsos or something? 
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picture where women were, didn't have tops on? 
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A. And I saw a picture of a little girl. 
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A. She had like a dress on. 
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more pictures there of girls and weird art pictures. 
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just -
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A. Just I don't know, weird torso and boob 
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pictures, I guess. 
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Q. Of different parts of bodies, pictures? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. And there were other pictures of girls? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. Anyone that you recognized? 
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A. No. 
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A. She said there was like massage oil, and she 
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like pointed to the massage oil. And that's all I think 
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I can remember her saying. 
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general, I already said I would do it. 
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A. Yes. 
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you got up there, she shows you the lotions. Does= 
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A. I don't think so. 
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Q. Were they clothed or unclothed? 
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A. I think they were undressed. 
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Q. Completely or just tops? 
A. I remember their breasts were showing. 
Q. That's what you remember seeing? 
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A. Yes. 
Q. And you don't know who they were? 
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A. No. 
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walks you into a 
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A. There was a shower, like a vanity, the massage 
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table. She like already had it set up. 
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Q. Had you ever seen a massage table before? 
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A. Just not 
l mean in movies. 
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A. She just said that Jeffrey would be in 
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shortly. 
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A. I think so, yes. 
Q. Okay. So you are what, just standing by the 
table? 
A. Yeah. 
Q. And what happens? 
A. And then Jeffrey comes in. 
Q. And what's he do? How is he dressed? 
A. I think he just had a towel around him. 
Q. Okay. What color was the towel? 
A. White. 
Q. And describe it. 
A. He just had it like around his waist. 
Q. Describe Mr. Epstein. 
A. Like his body? 
Q. Yes. Tall, short? 
A. He's a taller guy, has gray hair, kind of 
hairy, kind of bigger, not fat, but like bigger build, 
blue eyes, like a longer face. 
Q. All right Did he introduce himself? 
A. Yes. 
Q. What did he say? 
A. Just said "Hi, I'm Jeffrey." 
Q. And you said? 
A. I said, "Hi, I'm Jane Doe 7, Es friend." 
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Q. Did you shake hands? 
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A. And then that's when he got on the massage 
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table and he, that's when basically like the first time 
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and his calves massaged, and he was turned over. 
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Q. About 30 minutes? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. All right. And did you massage his feet? 
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A. Yes. 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. Had you ever used massage oil before? 
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A. No. 
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A. Yes. 
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A. Well, I mean if you are looking at him this 
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way, I was over here. 
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Q. Well, you say he was lying down, so as he was 
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lying down, were you near his right shoulder or his left 
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A. When he was lying down, l was near his left 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. So you were near his right shoulder? 
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A. His left shoulder. 
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standing at his side er were you standing at the top of 
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his head, massaging his chest? 
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A. On the side. 
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and then what happened? 
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A. And then he just started reaching under his 
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towel and then he kind of like grabbed, he grabbed me 
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towards him and pulled me towards him. 
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Q. Did he turn over then? 
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A. Towards the end, yes. 
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Q. So after what, you are 90 percent done, then 
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he turned over? 
A. Yeah. 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. Okay. And when he turned over, what did 
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A. He turned over and then he asked me if I could 
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like massage his chest. 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. All right. And then what? 
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A. And then I was massaging his chest, and I 
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don't know, he started making noises. 
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A. Just like humming noises. 
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Q. Hununing? 
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A. He grabbed my buttocks and pulled me to him. 
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behind your buttocks and pulled you toward him? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. Which hand? 
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A. His left hand. 
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A. Felt really awkward arid got really scared. I 
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think he could tell I was scared. And I got nervous and 
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he, he kind of asked me if I was okay. 
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And I just told him I felt, I felt nervous. 
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And that's, that's when he like started to masturbate, 
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and that's when — 
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Q. How do you know he was masturbating? 
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A. Because I could, I could tell. 
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Q. Had you ever seen a guy masturbate before? 
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A. .Yes. 
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Q. Where? 
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A. Die on TV. 
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Q. On what, like a porno movie or something like 
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that? 
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A. I don't know, I knew what it was. 
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Q. Everybody learns about it at some point in sex 
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education, right, male and female masturbation, right? 
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