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der who listened to the tape. Additionally, I am providing you the statement of 
which was taken by Jack Goldberger with Lily Sanchez present on March 
21, 2008. 
is demanding $250,000. I believe after you read her statement, 
you will be able to conclude she never should have been placed on the list in the first 
place and has no valid claim; her words, her sworn testimony and given in 2005. 
In reviewin 
statement, it is significant as to her willingness to lie 
about her age (wit 
insistence), she said that she was 17.9 years old; and 
everything she did, was 100% consensual. She said there was never force, coercion 
and she was always comfortable around Mr. Epstein. This leads one to belie 
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IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN ---
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as when you met Mr. Epstein. 
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As soon as (inaudible) house. And 
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a week later I had gone with 
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the room with him and it was kind of weird because he's 
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naked but she's like oh, he's always like that, don't worry 
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about it. And then we just gave him a massage and he gave 
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her $200 and he gave me $300 and he asked me to come back. 
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So I'm like okay. I came back about probably about five or 
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six times. 
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Okay. He gave you 300 to do a massage, right? 
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Uh-huh. 
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Okay. And that was about a year ago? 
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-- say nothing but the truth so help you God? 
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Yeah. 
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All right. So tell me from the beginning as far 
were (inaudible). I'm like what are you guys talking 
about? And I hadn't really hung out with them. I was kind 
of with the redneck crowd. They're the preppy girl crowd. 
And they were telling me about this guy and they would go 
and give him massages and he'd pay them $200 for giving a 
massage for an hour. And they said do you want to do it and 
I'm like yeah, $200 for an hour, let's go. So I think about 
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Uh-huh. 
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And I gave him a massage in my bra and underwear. 
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did the massage take place? 
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Valdez or Vas -- I don't know. It begins with a 
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beginning on the massage. He was naked on the massage? 
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Yes, with a towel over him. 
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Okay. How were you dressed when you were 
providing the massage? 
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I think jeans and a tank top. 
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Jeans and a tank top. At any time did he ask you 
to remove your clothing? 
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He did probably about the third time that I went 
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Just your underwear. Okay. 
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That's why I stopped going because he said if you 
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bathroom I guess like there's this big room with like a 
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sauna and a shower and in there. 
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Okay. Were there a table already set up? 
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Sometimes it was already set up and then sometimes 
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when we went up there there's like a little closet and the 
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table is in the closet and we'd bring it out and set it up. 
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Did you set it up or --
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Yes. 
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-- did somebody else set it up for you? 
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Sometimes it was already set up when we got there. 
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Sometimes I had to set it up. 
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Okay. How were you taken to the bedroom area? 
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Okay. All right. Let's get back to your first 
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massage you gave. He was wrapped in a towel. 
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Uh-huh. 
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Okay. At any time did he take off the towel? 
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Only when he got up and put a robe around him. 
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Laying on his stomach the entire time? 
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Okay. Did he ever ask you to rub his chest? 
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Yes. 
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Okay. 
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But not the first time. 
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Not the first time. You just massaged his 
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Okay. Feet and --
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Shasdy massaged his back and I massaged his feet. 
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Okay. So the first time Shasdy and you did the 
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massage? 
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Uh-huh. 
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Okay. All right. And you were completely 
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clothed? 
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Yes. 
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Okay. Did he touch you --
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-- during the massage? 
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No. Was there any massagers slash vibrators 
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No. Just like he had like this massage cream from 
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Okay. When the second time you went, how did you, 
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Asked -- when he asked -- when he gave me $300 and 
asked me to come back, I had left him my cell phone number. 
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Andillillicalled me and told me that Jeff had 
wanted me to come back and then I went down there. 
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Okay. Do you recall when this was? 
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No. I know it started like this time last year 
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-- tells you to come to the house to provide, to 
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work? 
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Uh-huh. 
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Did anything happen during that massage? 
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No. The only thing he ever did was he tried to 
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grab my butt and I told him I didn't feel comfortable with 
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just to let him know. He didn't want you to feel 
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So January of this year was the last time you 
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Okay. All right. So she calls you and tells you 
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uncomfortable. 
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Was that on the second massage? 
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That was the massage. That's when just I did it 
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why don't you take that off and I was like no. And then 
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Uh-huh. 
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Did he touch himself during the second massage? 
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I guess kinda he would sometimes. 
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What do you mean? 
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Well not -- like towards the end when I was in my 
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bra and underwear like sometimes when I would be rubbing his 
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chest then he would. 
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Okay. Did he do it on the second time you went? 
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Okay. The third time you went, how were you 
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called me again. 
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A thong. 
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A thong. 
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Uh-huh. 
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And this was the first time that he had you rub 
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But this is towards the end. 
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Okay. Towards the end of the massage? 
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No, like towards like the last time I went there. 
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That's okay. Do you know if he climaxed? 
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I don't know. He still had the towel over him. 
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He never removed the towel? 
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-- and climax? 
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Like it would start out as a normal massage and 
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he'd like sit down and talk to you and stuff and then he'd 
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Okay. when did he grab your buttocks? 
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I don't know. One of the times I was giving a 
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Okay. Did he ever grab more than just your 
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Okay. Did he ever touch your breasts? 
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The last time I went there because I told him that 
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Okay. So January 2005 approximately? 
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Yes. 
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The very last time you went, did he, did he 
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masturbate? 
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No, because I was giving him the massage and I 
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kept looking at the clock on the sink and I was looking at 
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the clock and he was like why do you keep looking at the 
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you don't want to do this then you don't have to do it and 
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that's when I told him I don't want to come back anymore 
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because I really don't feel comfortable and, you know, my 
boyfriend doesn't like that I'm coming here. And then that 
was it and I haven't spoken to him since. 
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On top of the $300 did he ever offer you more 
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For last Christmas? 
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What -- which Western Union did you pick that up 
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The one in Royal Palm and Okeechobee. I think 
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June that just passed. 
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June that just passed? 
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Yes. 
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-- okay, at the time? 
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Kinds. I kind of dropped out right in the middle. 
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Okay. Did you ever finish school? 
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No. Actually tomorrow is my GED test. 
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-Thank you. I fell in love, moved to Jupiter, it 
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This is the guy that didn't want you going back 
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Yeah. Yeah. 
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You guys aren't together anymore? 
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It's off and on. We got engaged. We were 
together off and on for nine years so (inaudible). 
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I guess the best thing he did was have you stop 
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Is there anything else you would like to add? 
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No. I actually have some questions as to what's 
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well, this is an ongoing investigation. We 
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received a complaint and we're following it up. Obviously 
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based on the questions that I've asked you, you can pretty 
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Yeah. Is Jeffrey in custody? 
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Not at this time. But this is an ongoing 
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investigation so I would appreciate that if anybody contacts 
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telling them oh my God, there's a cop here, whatever, asking 
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me questions. 
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Yeah, this is Royal Palm. That's big news in this 
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Well, I would appreciate it if you didn't, you 
know, say anything what we discussed. Especially if 
calls you or anybody else calls you, you could say that I 
Was here and if they have any questions they can give me a 
call. Obviously if anybody from the -- Jeffrey's house 
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Okay. 
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All right. 
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INESTATE OF R.ORIDA, 
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IN RE: 
JEFFREY EPSTEIN. 
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Friday, March 21, 2008 
4:00 p.m. - 4:20 p.m. 
Reported BY: 
Judith F. Caw, FPR 
Notary Public, State of Honda 
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JACK A. GOLDBEItGER, ESQ. 
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ALSO PRESENT 
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LILLY ANN SANCHEZ, ESQ. 
FOWLER WHITE, ATTORNEYS AT LAW 
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doing this for a lot of yean and sometimes I talk hire a 
lawyer too much, and if you don't understand what I'm —
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Q. I guess. But if you don't understand what 
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I'm saying at some point, just say, lack, say it in 
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English," and I'll make It better for you. OW 
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having been first duly sworn or affirmed, was examined 
and staled as follows: 
THE WITNESS: I do. 
BY MR. GOLDBER(ER: 
Q. Would you state your arra for the record, 
pkam. 
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where do you live now? 
A. Address? 
Q. Sure. 
Q. Do you live there alone or do you live with 
somebody there? 
A. My father. 
Q. Very good. And arc you working now or not 
working? Sometimes you murk and sometinrs you dont? 
A. When I want to. 
Q. Okay. And bow old are you today? 
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A. Yes. 
Q. Okay. And tell me a link bit about the 
introduction, has= introduced you to Jeffrey. 
A. Well, she told me that I amid go over 
there and give him a massage --
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A. — and be'd pay me for it and that he was a 
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Q. Okay. So let's break that down a little 
bit. 
She told you you could go ova them to 
Jeffrey Epstein's house and give a massage? 
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Q. When she said go give & massage did she 
tell you what she meant by that? 
A. Jost am— no. Just a message She didn't 
really give me my details. 
Q. Okay. Let me ask it to you another way. 
A. Okay. 
Q. Was there any suggestion that what you were 
being offered the oppatuniy to do would be sexual in 
any way? 
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A. No. 
Q. And she didn't e-mil you oboe that? 
A. No. 
Q. She didn't send you a text message like you 
guys do? 
A. No. 
Q. Okay. Shejam simply saw you in person 
one day and said, "Do you wane go over to 
Mr. Epstein's home and do a massager 
A. Yes. 
Q. And I take it you said okay and you went 
over there? 
A. Yes. 
Q. Ail right. Now at the time that you went 
over there, you were not yet 18, but you were ahnost 18? 
A. Yes. 
Q. You were within *couple of months of being 
18 years old? 
A. Yes, I do believe so. 
Q. Okay. And what didMedi you about if 
asked, how old you should tell anyone you were when you 
were ova to his house? 
Was that a bad question? 
A. Repeat that. 
Q. Sure. Okay. 
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Mr. Epstein's house and just giving him a normal 
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theraponie massage? 
A. Right. 
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be paid fair? 
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paid? 
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went tolefty Epeteln's house? Was it after you spoke 
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to Alex? 
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Before you twat over to Jeffreys house 
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A. Yes. 
Q. What did she tell you? 
A. Yes. She told me to say that l was 181f 
it was asked. 
Q. She didn't &he you a saipt and say as 
moo as you walk to the house you're supposed to say, 
'ho 18,• right? 
A. No. 
Q. She just said that if anyone ever asked, 
you should say that you were 18 years of age. 
A. Right. 
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to be convincing that you \v at over the age of 18, 
because you wanted to do the work, right? 
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A. It was probably Jeffrey. I don't remember 
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A. Oh-huh. 
Q. And you were very believable in saying that 
you Imre over 18? 
A. Yes. 
Q. Okay. Now the first time that you went to 
Jeffrey's house did you give him a massage that dry? 
A. Lit-inah. 
Answer yes or no so the 
record is clear. 
THE WITNESS: Yes. Okay. 
(Discussion held off the record.) 
BY MR. GOLDBERGER: 
Q. Okay. So you go to Jeffrey's house and you 
moat him and you're going to do a massage that day, 
right? 
A. Yes. 
Q. Now were you -• you were not forced to give 
a massage, correct? ' 
A. No. 
Q. You were not forced to do anything that you 
didn't want to do? 
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A. No. 
Q. In any way? 
A. No way. 
Q. There was no text mail message from him? 
A. No. 
Q. There was no fax from him? 
A. No. 
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Mr. Epstein, by the way, solo there ever a time when that 
didn't play out, when he tried to force you to do 
something that you didn't want to do? 
A He never tried to force me to do anything. 
Q. If you said no to something. whatever that 
might be, he would respect that? 
A Yes. 
Q. Affright 
Now the first time that yea went there do 
you remember whether you gave Jeffrey a massage with your 
clothes on or your clothes off? 
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my bra and panties. 
Q. Okay. The whole time? 
A. Yes. 
Q. Right. 
A. I'm pretty sure, yes. 
Q. Did you see during that manage -. did he 
try and touch you in wry way during that massage? 
A. No. 
Q. Did he use any kind of device on you in any 
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