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From: "Jeffrey E." <[email protected]> 
To: Deepak Chopra
Subject: Re: Clock synchronisation, Relativity, Retrocausality and the Paranormal 
Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2016 10:45:34 +0000 
what do you enjoy the most now? what type of experience? new people? learning. ? quiet.? you and i are 
able to put together quite an extensive catalouge of disappointments. 
we have another 20 years to play , 
actively. . how do you think about it. . the tiger restricts some choices. but carries you to places unknown to 
most. 
On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 12:45 AM, Deepak Chopra < 
> wrote: 
Ok :) 
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On Aug 5, 2016, at 4:18 PM, jeffrey E. <[email protected]> wrote: 
You already do 
On Friday, 5 
2016, Deepak Chopra < 
I've met Paul Selig 
I'd like to know your experience 
> wrote: 
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On Aug 5, 2016, at 11:56 AM, jeffrey E. [email protected]> wrote: 
i did like the fart in cosmic time. . it appears we know the same woman. :) 
fyI my concisouness guys are bringing around an empath called paul selig at noon. 
im going to push 
the woo envelope. 
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On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 2:26 AM, Deepak Chopra < 
$ He comes around nastily 
> wrote: 
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On Aug 4, 2016, at 10:42 PM, Deepak Chopra ci
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Jack --we are all fictional characters in a cosmic dream -not even a sneeze or fart in cosmic time --
time itself an illusion . 
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On Aug 4, 2016, at 9:26 PM, Deepak Chopra < 
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All causality is fiction in a non local universe . 
U r writing fiction 
The universe is not nonlocal 
The universe is locally retrocausal at the quantum level 
The appearance of causality is a result of veiled non locality and cosmic censorship . 
Muddled malapropism 
The observer is an activity of the total universe as is the observed . 
If that makes u happy believe it 
Get over it people 
You can't use an illusion to explain an illusion 
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Only psychotics cannot distinguish illusion from reality. 
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On Aug 5, 2016, at 3:09 AM, Michelle Kathryn McGee < 
> wrote: 
Remi, 
It has been a dream of mine to make the acquaintance of a capable and open-minded physicist 
who would review my work. Feel free to delve as you wish. Any and all feedback is welcome. 
I have met physicists over the years but none are willing to examine anything beyond the 
abstract. A good old fashioned Mexican stand-offl 
I am currently preparing a paper for Cosmos & History, the philosophy journal where the 
Foundation of Mind conference proceedings go. A late draft is attached. 
The title is "Notes from the existential underground: the universe as a complex emergent 
system." 
In it, I refer to Chris Langan's work from 2002 (CTMU) and my own from 2003 (Novel View): 
Implications of a novel view of the cosmological energy density and pressure relationship 
(Academia.edu link) 
Your daring sensibility in deconstructing Jack's pet retrocausality has been a pleasure to read. 
Many great teaching/leaming points and connections. 
Regards, 
michelle 
On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 4:12 PM, Remi Cornwall < 
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Yes of course but how are the measurements communicated? 
Say you have a box coupled electromagnetically to whatever its measuring and sending signals to control, 
how does the box communicate with the controller several miles away. By radio, yes, correct. What if the 
control communicates to the box by a quantum channel sending classical data with the measure/no-
measure protocol**? 
At the bottom of it, relativity is all about metrology/horology. You're communicating time and length 
standards. 
Lets look at a time standard (limit to SR). The usual thing is clocks in a frame are moved from the 
origin very slowly to their destinations in the frame. They ping off the seconds and a record of their time 
and we can say, although they all keep the same rate of time, the distant ones are retarded or delayed as 
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we read their times pinging every second back at the origin. We know full well that this is just the transit 
time but it is verboten to speak of distant observers having the same instant of time as oneself. This is the 
failure of simultaneity in time. 
What if now we communicate our clock standard by a quantum channel and the collapse protocol 
(discemable by an interferometer, 0: no measurement, 1: measurement")? We know that the collapse is 
instantaneous (let's not argue that, it's been measured, at least retrospectively"' ). We'd have 
simultaneity. 
Now we can compare putative retrocausal effects against this gold standard of simultaneity as, at least in 
one frame, we can say we have an absolute tick of the clock. To be truly retrocausal, with this time 
standard, I would need some phenomena where: variable = f( t1, t2, variable, d variable/dt, d this 
that/dt etc.) and not merely have some retarded time term t' = t - r/c because our gold standard quantum 
channel synchronised clocks would catch this (ha ha, light is "slow). 
And it just may be... a gifted psychic person gets into a trance in a laboratory (today) and says, "lets all 
not meet here next week because the security guard goes mad at 11.30 Friday and kills us all" (and he 
does tums up next week and has no-one to kill, as predicted and avoided). That would be truly 
retrocausal. The effect from next week just pops into that locale (that point in space and absolute time) 
and his head with no discernable causality (no wave equation no chugging of things through space-time, 
totally discontinuous). 
In fact the sine qua non of a retrocausal effect could only be this discontinuous  generation of events on a 
space-time diagram and the retrospective cognizance (or correlation) that it was connected to a future 
event WITH the absolute quantum channel time standard. 
Note, this rules out the "magic" of entanglement collapse as retrocausal, as we have gotten over this little 
miracle and now use it as technology for our clock standards. Ergo, retrocausal is something else beyond 
this. 
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