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FBI VOL00009
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Case 9:08-cv-80804-KAM Document 1 Entered on FLSD Docket 07/21/2008 Page 85 of 100 sor & Associates Repanimp, and Transaipdan. inc. Page 59 1 MR. LEOPOLD: I'll certify it. 2 CERTIFIED QUESTION 3 She's answered that question. She's explained it five 4 tines already. The fact that Counsel doesn't like the 5 answer, that's a different query. 6 MR. TEIN: Stop making speaking objections. 7 MR. LEOPOLD: I'm not. I'm not going to 8 put up with it, because it's in appropriate, Jack, 9 and you know it. I will not allow Counsel to 10 berate a witness, whether it's in a criminal case 11 or a civil case, whether my client or -- 12 MR. TEIN: Calm down. 13 MR. LEOPOLD: Excuse me. 14 No, I'm not going to allow it. That is not 15 proper. 16 MR. GOLDBERGER: Okay. 17 MR. LEOPOLD: If he wants to say that she's 18 lying after asking it five times and her 19 explaining in great detail, he can do that. But 20 I'm not going to allow her to answer, nor be 21 harassed by him. It's improper. 22 MR. GOLDBERGER: Okay. But your response . 23 that Counsel doesn't like the question -- or 24 doesn't like the answer -- just let me finish. 25 N.R. LEOPOLD: Absolutely. I wasn't going pasta Ph. - Fax. 1655 Palm Beach Lakes Blvd., Suite 500 - West Palm Beach, FL 33401 EFTA00232217
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Case 9:08-cv-80804-KAM Document 1 Entered on FLSD Docket 07/21/2008 Page 86 of 100 sor & Associates • Rept-inns end Tali< ti pncm, Inc Page 60 of 316 20 21 22 23 24 25 1 to interrupt you. 2 MR. GOLDBERGER: Just requires us to say we 3 like the answer to that question. And it's not 4 you and I or you and Mr. Tein who are testifying 5 here. It's the witness. 6 MR. LEOPOLD: Fine. But after the sixth 7 time of asking the same question and then coming 8 back and pointing a finger at her and saying, 9 "You're a liar" -- 10 MR. TEIN: That didn't happen. 11 MR. LEOPOLD: That's fine. But I'm not 12 going to allow her to answer that question, 13 because she's answered that same question and has 14 explained it. 15 Now Counsel might be sitting there rubbing 16 his head with a migraine. That's his problem. 17 But if he can't ask a question appropriately in a 18 professional manner, we will leave. I will not 19 allow her to be berated like that. MR. GOLDBERGER: Actually, we're very happy with the answer. MR. LEOPOLD: That's great. MR. GOLDBERGER: Do you want us to get into that? MR. TEIN: Ted -- Ph. - Fax. 1655 Palm Beach Lakes Blvd., Suite 500 - West Palm Beach, FL 33401 EFTA00232218
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Case 91)8<v-80804-KAM ment 1 EnteredonFLSDDocket07/21/2008 Page87of100 nsor & Associates Stspornig and Transcaptiem, loc.... $7 of 316 Page 61 1 2 3 your question and move on. But do it one time. 4 If you don't understand it, I'll let you follow MR. LEOPOLD: This is really big stuff that you're going through. But that's fine; just ask up, but I'm not going to allow you to ask the same 6 question time and again and then call her a liar. 7 Just ask the question, get the answer and move to 8 the next subject matter. 9 MR. TEIN: Ted, I'm sitting right across 10 the table from you. 11 MR. LEOPOLD: Yes, sir. 12 MR. TEIN: Please be quiet. Don't yell. 13 MR. LEOPOLD: I will not be quiet. 14 MR. TEIN: Stop yelling. 15 MR. LEOPOLD: Lewis, when I'm yelling 16 you'll know it. I will not -- 17 MR. TEIN: My name is not Lewis. 18 MR. LEOPOLD: I thought your first name was 19 Lewis, Mr. Tein. 20 MR. TEIN: You watched me for three days at 21 the evidentiary hearing where you sat in the back 22 of the courtroom. You should know who I am. 23 MR. LEOPOLD: Well, that's the impression 24 you must have made in the courtroom. 25 I will not be quiet. Ph. - Fax. 1655 Palm Beach Lakes Blvd., Suite 500 - West Palm Beach, FL 33401 EFTA00232219
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Case 9:08-cv-80804-KAM t 1 Entered on FLSD Docket 07/21/2008 Page 88of 100 Domen sor & Associates Redd inp and ItAtasctijI:lay Page 62 1 MR. TEIN: That's obnoxious. Stop being 2 obnoxious. It's stupid. Let's go ahead with the 1111e4311 23 24 25 3 questions. 4 MR. LEOPOLD: I will make the record. 5 MR. TEIN: Let's get on with the questions. 6 MR. LEOPOLD: Do you need a break? 7 (Thereupon, a recess was taken.) 8 BY MR. TEIN: 9 Q. Okay. grAff after you told your manager 10 at the Quarterdeck Tavern everything that was going on 11 and he told you he would help you any way he could, he 12 hid you in the kitchen from the process servers, correct? 13 A. Incorrect. 14 Q. Isn't it true that lying to avoid service 15 is a meaningless lie to you, 16 A. Incorrect. 17 Q. What is your manager's name? 18 A. I have three. Would you like to know 19 all -- 20 Q. Who's the one who lied for you? 21 A. IIIIIIII, 22 Q. And what did do to lie for you? A. Said I wasn't there. Q. And who did he tell wasn't there? A. Ask him. Ph. - Fax. 1655 Palm Beach Lakes Blvd., Suite 500 - West Palm Beach, FL 33401 EFTA00232220
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Case 9:08-cv-80804-KAM Document 1 Entered on FLSD Docket 07/21/2008 Page 89 of 100 Gtof MG nsor & Associates Reparnaa and ltaascrinnon. Inc 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Page 63 Q. Where were you when IIIIII,told this soreone that you were not at the Quarterdeck Tavern? A. Eating nachos. Q. At the Quarterdeck Tavern? A. Yes. Q. What did you do so that would lie to the process servers for you? A. Nothing. Q. You just got him to lie for you, didn't 10 you? 11 A. No. i had no influence on him saying I 12 wasn't there. 13 Q. He took that upon himself? 14 15 servers had to ask the police to get you out of the 16 restaurant so that they could serve you? 17 18 foundation, predicate. 19 BY MR. TEIN: 20 Q. You can answer the question. 21 Isn't it true that Mr. Epstein's process MR. LEOPOLD: Objection. Lack of MR. LEOPOLD: If you know. Don't guess. 22 THE WITNESS: No. Can you repeat the I 23 question? 24 MR. TEIN: Don't coach. 25 MR. LEOPOLD: Don't guess. Ph. - Fax. 1655 Palm Beach Lakes Blvd., Suite 500 - West Palm Beach, FL 33401 EFTA00232221
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Case 9:08-cv-80804-KAM Doc ment 1 Entered on FLSD Docket 07/21/2008 Page 90 of 100 sor & Associates ROpOrtillg mJ TOLIIIICripliall, Page 64 1 MR. TEIN: That's a coaching. 2 MR. LEOPOLD: No. That's an instruction to 3 the client. 4 MR. TEIN: No. You don't do that. 5 THE WITNESS: Can you repeat the question? 6 MR. LEOPOLD: Let me just state for the 7 record -- 8 BY MR. TEIN: 9 Q. Once the police -- isn't it true that 10 Mr. Epstein's process servers had to ask the police to 11 get you out of the restaurant so that they could serve 12 you? 13 A. Incorrect. My boss called the police. 14 Q. And once the police showed up, to stop you ; 15 from lying to avoid service, you made up another lie that 16 the process servers had harassed you. Isn't that 17 correct? 18 A. Incorrect. 19 Q. You lie all the time, don't you? 20 MR. LEOPOLD: Objection. 21 THE WITNESS: Incorrect. 22 BY MR. TEIN: 23 Q. You have a MySpace page, don't you? 24 A. No longer do I have a MySpace page. I 25 deleted it. Ph. - Fax. 1655 Palm Beach Lakes Blvd., Suite 500 - West Palm Beach, FL 33401 66 of 316 EFTA00232222
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Case 9:08-cv-80804-KAM Dcyment1 Entered on FLSD Docket 07/21/2008 Page 91 of 100 sor & Associates Raporsins and Trauctiptian, Page 65 1 Q. When did you delete your MySpace page? 2 A. A couple days ago. 3 Q. Who told you to take your MySpace page down 4 a couple of days ago? 5 A. Nobody. I'm sick and tired of MySpace. 6 Q. You all of a sudden got sick and tired of 7 MySpace and just a few days before this deposition you 8 decided to delete your MySpace page, correct? 9 A. Correct. 10 Q. Is that your testimony under oath? 11 A. Yes. 12 Q. Did you take your MySpace page down because 13 you thought the government might subpoena it? 14 A. Incorrect. 15 Q. Hadn't your MySpace page been up for over 16 three months before you took it down? 17 A. Correct. But I also had made tons of 18 MySpaces over the last years. I just get tired of them 19 and delete them because -- drama -- and make new ones. 20 Q. We're going to talk about that. 21 So you deleted your MySpace page after you 22 were already under subpoena for this deposition, correct? 23 24 25 A. Correct. Q• What about the MySpace page didn't you want us to see,'"lilt Ph. - Fax. 1655 Palm Beach Lakes Blvd., Suite 500 - West Palm Beach, FL 33401 91 of 314 EFTA00232223
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92 o1916 Case 9:08-cv-80804-KAM uncument 1 Entered on FLSD Docket 07/21/2008 Page 92 of 100 sor & Associates Reporting-and Transcripnrm. Inc. 1 2 3 in a second. Page 66 A. Nothing. Q. Well, we're going to come back to MySpace 4 A. You do that. 5 Q. I'm going to ask you some questions 6 abort why you lie about your age so often, okay? 7 MR. LEOPOLD: Objection to the form. 6 Argumentative. 9 BY MR. TEIN: 10 Q. You lie about your age all the time, don't 11 you? 12 N.R. LEOPOLD: Objection, argumentative. 13 THE WITNESS: Incorrect. 14 BY MR. TEIN: 15 Q. You lie about your age to get body 16 piercings, don't you? 17 A. Incorrect. 18 Q. You have body piercings, don't you? 19 A. Yes. 20 Q. You have four body piercings; isn't that 21 right? 22 A. Five. 23 Q. Other than the piercings on your ears 24 I'm not talking about that -- 25 A. Oh, then no; just one. Ph. - Fax. 1655 Palm Beach Lakes Blvd., Suite 500 - West Palm Beach, FL 33401 EFTA00232224
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Case 9:08-cv-80804-KAM Dgpyypent 1 Entered on FLSD Docket 07/21/2008 Page 93 of 100 sor & Associates Reporting and Tresscriptiecloc Page 67 . 1 Q. And where is the one body piercing? A. Belly. Q. When did you get that? 4 A. For my birthday, with my stepmother and my 5 father. 6 Q. And when was that? 7 A. When I was 14. 8 Q. Okay. So you had that body piercing when 9 you met Epstein, correct? 10 A. It might have been, or maybe that -- yeah, 11 either my 14th birthday or my 15th. I honestly don't 12 remember. 13 Q. Now you've lied about your age to get into 14 bars by using driver's licenses that aren't yours, 15 correct? 16 A. Incorrect. 17 Q. Are you swearing under oath that you've 18 never done that? 19 A. Yes, I swear under oath. 20 Q. And you've lied about your age to buy beer, 21 correct? 22 A. Incorrect. 1 I 23 0. You're swearing under oath that you've 24 never lied to stores about your age? 25 A. I've never lied to a store about my age or Ph. - Fax. 1655 Pa,m Beach Lakes Blvd., Suite 500 - West Palm Beach, FL. 33401 9304316 EFTA00232225
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Case 9:08-cv-80804-KAM D ment 1 Entered on FLSD Docket 07/21/2008 Page94 01100 l i k41 sor & Associates Roraniap anti Transcriptive, Inc. 1 anything. 2 Q. You try to look much older than you are, 3 don't you? 4 A. Incorrect. 5 Q. And you've lied about your age on your 6 MySpace pages, don't you? 7 A. Incorrect. 8 Q. All right. Let's look at Exhibit 26-01 9 one. 10 MS. BELOHLAVEK: 26-001? 11 MR. TEIN: Yes. 12 BY MR. TEIN: 13 Q. On this page you lied to everyone that you 14 were 18, didn't you? 15 A. Correct. 16 Q. Let's go to Exhibit 33. 17 MS. BELOHLAVEK: That's 33-001? 18 TEIN: Correct. 19 BY MR. TEIN: 20 Q. On this page you lied to everyone that you 21 were 19, didn't you? 22 A. Incorrect. 23 MR. LEOPOLD: Just answer the question. 24 THE WITNESS: Oh, incorrect. 25 BY MR. TEIN: Ph. - Fax. 1655 Palm Beach Lakes B!vd., Suite 500 - West Palm Beach, FL 33401 140311 EFTA00232226
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Case 9:08-cv-80804-KAM D ument 1 Entered on FLSD Docket 07/21/2008 Page 95 of 100 sor & Associates Repnninp bat! Transcription, Mr Page 69 1 Q. Now you can explain your answer. 2 A. I know that I have seen all of these and I 3 know that this one is mine. 4 Can you go down? 5 MR. LEOPOLD: Just for the record, you're 6 pointing to the photo. 7 THE WITNESS: I'm pointing to -- 8 BY MR. TEIN: 9 Q. You're pointing to the one where it says 10 your age is 18? 11 A. Correct. 12 Q. That's yours, right? 13 A. Correct. That's mine from a couple years 14 ago that I have not been on, because I don't use that. 15 Please keep going down, please. And I think that's it, 16 because there's no one -- just that one is mine. 17 Q. So the one you pointed to where it says 18 your age is 18, that's yours, correct? 19 A. Correct. 20 Q. And when you wrote 18 as your age on your 21 MySpace page, that was a lie, wasn't it? 22 A. Correct. I 1 23 Q. Did you lie about your MySpace page back 24 then because you couldn't post on MySpace unless you were 25 18? Ph. - Fax. 561.682.1771 1655 Palm Beach Lakes Blvd., Suite 500 - West Palm Beach, FL 33401 1601016 EFTA00232227
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Case 9:08-cv-80804-KAM Docyrnent 1 Entered on FLSD Docket 07/21/2008 Page 96 of 100 nsor & Associates Roportinp and Trauctipoon, )nc. 2 3 4 post on MySpace, right? 5 A. Yes. Page 70 A. Correct. There was a rule many years ago that you had to be 18 to have a MySpace. Q. So you lied about your age so you could 6 7 33-01. 8 Q. Let's go back to the top one on this page, Are you testifying now under oath that this 9 'MySpace page where the headline says, 'Sills do have more 10 fun," and the location is given as Lox, abbreviation for 11 Loxahatchee, and the age is 19, and it saysjillill, 12 is it your testimony that you did not post 13 that? 14 A. Correct. 15 Q. Now let's go back to the one that you were 16 pointing to before on this page, where it says your age 17 is 18 and you lied about your age to post MySpace, okay? 18 A. Uh-huh, yes. 19 Q. All right. Why did you finally put your 20 true age on your MySpace profile four days before you 21 were scheduled to testify before the Grand Jury? 22 A. I don't know what you're talking about. 23 MR. LEOPOLD: If you don't understand, ask 24 him to ask the question again. 25 MR. TEIN: Don't coach. Ph. - Fax. 1655 Palm Beach Lakes Blvd., Sulte 500 - West Palm Beach, FL 33401 No/316 EFTA00232228
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Case 9:08-cv-80804-KAM D ent 1 Entered on FLSD Docket 07/21/2008 Page 97 of 100 sor & Associates itoponios nil Transcription, Mc. Page 71 THE WITNESS: I don't know which MySpace 2 you're talking about. 3 BY MR. TEIN: 4 Q. The MySpace page that you're just pointing 5 to, where it says you were 18. 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. And you were lying about your age, right? 8 A. Qh-huh. 9 Q. Why did you finally post your true age on 10 your MySpace profile -- 11 A. Uh -- 12 Q. -- four days before you were scheduled to 13 testify before the Grand Jury? 14 A. I honestly don't know which MySpace, 15 because I've had like a bazillion MySpaces, and in that 16 year, I had two, that one and another one, and that one's 17 been deleted. So I don't know which one you're referring 18 to. 19 Q. You remember that you changed your age on 20 your MySpace page from 18 to your true age just four days 21 before you went and testified in the Grand Jury? 22 A. No. 23 Q. You don't remember that. 24 A. No. 25 0. Do you remember Detective Recarey? Did you Sale M.I .,.••• MOVE. Ph. - Fax. 1655 Palm Beach Lakes Blvd., Suite 500 - West Palm Beach, FL 33401 NOM, EFTA00232229
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Case 9:08-cv-80804-KAM Dgcujnent 1 Entered on FLSD Docket 07/21/2008 Page 98 of 100 sor & Associates • Reporting and Transcription. Inc Page 72 ever meet a Detective Recafey? 2 A. I don't know the names. 3 Q. How many different detectives have you met 4 with on this case from Palm Beach? 5 A. Probably a good six or seven, maybe. 6 Q. Did one of the detectives tell you before 7 you testified in the Grand Jury that you should take your 8 MySpace age and put your true age? 9 A. No. 10 Q. Didn't Detective Recarey have to come to 11 your house to pick you up to get you to testify in front 12 of the Grand Jury? 13 A. Possibly; maybe because I didn't have a 14 rice; I was only 14 or 15 at the time. 15 Q. Your mom didn't drive you? 16 A. No. 17 Q. Stepmom didn't drive you? 18 A. I think my dad. Oh, my dad; my dad drove 19 me. 20 Q. Your dad drove you? 21 A. Yes, sir. 22 Q. So your testimony is Detective Recarey did 23 not drive you, correct? 24 MR. LEOPOLD: Objection. /asked and 25 answered. Ph. - Fax. 1655 Palm Beach Lakes Blvd., Suite 500 - West Palm Beach, FL 33401 III a100 EFTA00232230
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Case 9:08-cv-80804-KAM Dq ent 1 Entered on FLSD Docket 07/21/2008 Page 99 of 100 sor & Associates Reponota and Transcription, Inc. Page 73 THE WITNESS: No. I'm pretty sure my dad 2 drove me, because he was there with me. 3 BY MR. TEIN: Q. Did any detective tell you to change your 5 age on your MySpace page, to put your true age? 6 A. No, sir. 7 Q. Now you also lied on your MySpace page 8 about your income, didn't you? 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. And you lied, saying that you made a 11 quarter million dollars a year and higher, correct? 12 A. As a joke, yes. 13 Q. That was a lie, wasn't it? 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. And you also lied on your MySpace page, 16 saying that you were married, didn't you? 17 A. Possibly. And that might have been an 18 error on my part. 19 Q. Now you also lie to the police, don't you? 20 A. No. 21 Q. Well, you lied to the police in your 22 tape-recorded statement that you gave to Detective 23 Pagan three years ago, didn't you? 24 A. To my knowledge, no, I did not. 25 Q. Well, you lied to the police when you Ph. - Fax. 1655 Palm Beach Lakes Blvd., Suite 500 - West Palm Beach, FL 33401 19 64 314 EFTA00232231
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Case 9:08-cv-80804-KAM ent1 Entered on FLSD Docket 07/21/2008 Page 100 of 100 Dionsor & Associates Ropartinp and "franscription, inc Page 74 1 accused Mr. Epstein of attempting to murder your father, 2 didn't you? 3 A. No. I never heard a statement saying that 4 Mr. Epstein tried to murder my father. 5 O. You made that statement, didn't you? 6 MR. LEOPOLD: Do you have a statement to 7 show her? That's been asked and answered. 8 MR. TEIN: I'm sorry. I didn't hear the 9 witness' answer, Mr. Leopold. 10 BY MR. TEIN: ll Q. you told the police, didn't you, 12 that Mr. Epstein almost killed your father, didn't you? 13 A. No. 14 Q. Three years ago, before Mr. Epstein even 15 knew about this investigation, you told the police that 16 Epstein had "already come to my dad's house and did 17 something to my dad's tires and my dad almost died. didn't want my dad to get hurt, because Jeff already 19 almost killed him." 20 Didn't you say that? 21 A. Not to my knowledge or recollection. I 22 have never said anything like that. 23 Q. That would have been a complete lie, 24 wouldn't it have been? 25 A. Yeah. Ph. - Fax. 1655 Palm Beach Lakes Blvd., Suite 500 - West Palm Beach, FL 33401 100 et 316 EFTA00232232
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JUN-26-2009 FRI 02:28 P11 FAX NO. 5618358691 P. 01 Date: 6/26/09 ATTERBURY, GOLDBERGER & WEISS, P.A. ATTORNEY. LAW SUITE 400 250 AUSTRALIAN AVENUE SOUTH WEST PALM BEACH FLO 01-5066 TELEPHONE FAX- FAX COVER SHEET To: R. Alexander Acosta, Esq. USAO Barbara Burns, Esq. ASAO Bradley J. Edwards, Esq. William J. Berger, Esq. Robert D. Critton. Esq. Spencer T. Kuvin, Esq. Subject: State of Florida v. Epstein Pages: 3 , including this cover sheet. See attached letter. ORIGINAL WILL BE SENT: YES X NO IF THERE ARE ANY PROBLEMS WITH SSION, PLEASE CONTACT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. The information contained In this facsimile message Is attorney privileged and confidential information Intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify us by telephone. Thank you. EFTA00232234
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JUN-26-2009 FRI 02:28 PM TELECOPIED THIS DATE The Honorable Jeffrey Colbath Palm Beach County Courthouse 205 N. Dixie Highway Room 11F West Palm Beach, FL 33401 FAX NO. 5618358691 June 26, 2009 Re; State of Florida v. Jeffrey Epstein Dear Judge Colbath: P. JOSEPH R.ATTERBURY ' JACK A.GOLDBERGER JASON! S. WEISS Ulan' CCrtalIWI CrintoorPOI tome., ! MendKr of Now Jersoy A hot Hors On behalf of Mr. Epstein, we strongly object to the proposed order submitted by Deanna Shullman on behalf of the Palm Beach Post. The court has already entered an order dated June 25, 2009 on: a) Non-party,E's Motion to Vacate Order Sealing Records and Unseal Records b) Palm Beach Post's Motions to Intervene and petition for Access c) Motions to Intervene and for an order to Unseal Records d) Jeffrey Epstein's Motion to Make Court Records Confidential. The only matter before the court today was Defendant Epstein's Motion for a Stay which the court denied. Contrary to the assertions in the proposed order submitted to you by the Palm Beach Post, the court made a_specific finding-that the-Defendant - -Epstein-has met-his burden of Irreparable harm. Additionally, all of the other matters contained in the proposed order were addressed in the court's Order of June 25, 2009. It is the position of Defendant Epstein that the order on today's Motion to Stay should simply state that the Defendant's Motion to Stay is denied. In this way, the court's order of June 25, 2009 on the merits of the issue and the order of the court One ClearlAke Contre,Suito 1400 230 Australian Avenue South Wftsr NMI Reach. FL. 3340i www.agwpa.com EFTA00232235
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P. 03 JUN-26-2009 FRI 02:28 PM The Honorable Jeffrey Colbath June 26, 2009 Page 2 FAX NO. 5618368691 denying the stay motion can properly be reviewed by the Fourth District Court of Appeal. Very truly yqurs, ACK A. GOLDBERGER JAG:cg cc: U.S. Attorney's Office (via facsimile) State Attorneys Office(via facsimile) Deanna K. Shullman, Esquire (via facsimile) Bradley J. Edwards, Esquire (via facsimile) Spencer t. Kuvin, Esquire (via facsimile) EFTA00232236