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FBI VOL00009

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there was sexual conduct between JefI rey Epstein and 
2 
as we described earlier in Count 7. 
3 
Q 
And 
you could do count 42. 
4 
A 
we have evidence that shows [light records, 
5 
that 'light records indicate that on March 18th, 2005 
6 
Epstein traveled to Palm Beach County on the Boeing 727, 
7 
there was telephonic contact between 
Kellen and 
8 
the day of or the day before travel , we 
9 
have the sexual conduct between Mr. Epstein and 
10 
Q 
And just referring to that count, 
11 
is named, although she was not on the flight that day, 
12 
is that correct? 
13 
A 
Yes. 
14 
Q 
And you said that she made the telephone calls 
15 
with 
correct? 
16 
A 
Yes, and we also do have -- we have 
17 
interviewed Mr. Epstein's pilots and one of the pilots 
18 
indicated that 
was the one that arranged all of 
19 
Mr. Epstein's travel arrangements and so she is 
20 
responsible for making his arrangements to travel to 
21 
Palm Beach as well as call the girls for the 
22 
appointments. 
23 
Q 
If I could take you to Count number 43, 
24 
please. 
25 
A 
Flight records indicate that on March 31st, 
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2005 Mr. Epstein traveled to Palm Beach County on the 
2 
Boeing 727, there was telephonic contact between 
3 
and 
the day before or the day of travel, 
4 
we also have the sexual conduct between Epstein as 
5 
described earlier in count 7. 
6 
Q 
Again, in Count 44, what is the evidence 
7 
related to that? 
8 
A 
Flight records indicate that on April 8th, 
9 
2005 Epstein and 
traveled to Palm Beach 
10 
County on the Gul stream and there was telephonic 
11 
contact between 
Kellen and 
on the 
12 
day before or the day of travel , we also have the sexual 
13 
conduct between Mr. Epstein and 
14 
Q 
And if you could go through 45, 46 and 47. 
15 
A 
Count 45 we have flight records that indicate 
16 
on April 27th, 2005 Epstein and 
Kellen traveled to 
17 
Palm Beach County on the Gulfstream, there is telephone 
18 
contact between 
Kellen and 
the day 
19 
before or the day of travel and we have the sexual 
20 
conduct between Jeffrey and 
21 
In Count 46 we have flight records that 
22 
indicate that on may 6th, 2005 Epstein, 
Kellen and 
23 
traveled to Palm Beach County on the 
24 
Gulfstream. 
25 
we have also telephonic contact between 
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Kellen and 
either the day before or the 
2 
day of travel and we have the sexual conduct between 
3 
Epstein and 
and in Count 47 on May 19th, 2005 
4 
we have flight records that indicate Epstein, ■ 
5 
Kellen and 
traveled to Palm Beach County on 
6 
the Gulfstream and we have telephone contact between 
7 
Kellen and 
the day before or the day 
8 
of travel. 
9 
we also have the sexual conduct between 
10 
Epstein and 
as described in the earlier 
11 
count, count 7. 
12 
Q 
NOw, if I could direct your attention to Count 
13 
number 51 which appears on page 33, that is the sex 
14 
trafficking of a minor involving Jane Doe number 3, and 
15 
could you briefly summarize that, the evidence related 
16 
to that. 
17 
A 
As we discussed earlier in Count 7, I told you 
18 
guys about the sexual conduct between Epstein and 
19 
the monies that were paid to 
by 
20 
Mr. Epstein, the phone activity we discussed between 
21 
Kellen and 
zylus, it began in December, 
22 
and we also have phone calls beginning in January Irom 
23 
Adriana Ross to 
at that time 
was 17 
24 
years of age, and we also have statements from 
25 
and 
regarding Mr. Epstein's knowledge of their 
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ages. 
2 
Q 
And with respect to the affect on interstate 
3 
commerce related to that count we have both the 
4 
telephone calls, correct? 
S 
A 
Yes. 
6 
Q 
As well as mr. Epstein actually traveling in 
7 
interstate commerce to engage in this activity, correct? 
8 
A 
Yes, we do. 
9 
Q 
is there anything else that you would like to 
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mention about Jane Doe number 3? 
11 
A 
Not at this time, no. 
12 
Q 
If I could direct you to Jane Doe number 4 and 
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if you could summarize for the Grand Jury the 
14 
information related to Jane Doe number 4's activities. 
15 
A 
Jane Doe number 4 is 
P, I think you 
16 
wanted their birth dates, her birth date is June 30th, 
17 
1987, she was 16 years old and attended Royal Palm Beach 
18 
High School. 
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we first have contact through phone calls from 
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to Fayth on April 25th, 2004 which 
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indicates and shows that 
was clearly 16 years of 
22 
age when she started going to Mr. Epstein's and 
23 
performing massages for mr. Epstein. 
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our Jane Doe number 1, was the one 
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who recruited 
she basically told Fayth that she 
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could make $200, she needed to dress cute, he might try 
2 
to touch you, but it you eel uncomfortable just let him 
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know and he will stop, and the first massage that ■ 
4 
did he repeatedly told 
and I mentioned this to 
5 
you in the last Grand Jury session, she was very shy and 
6 
he would repeatedly tell her not to be so shy, that she 
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didn't have to be so shy. 
8 
Epstein asked her to remove her clothing and 
9 
she told him no, and throughout the massage he would 
10 
repeatedly grab at her, he grabbed her butt, he did 
11 
masturbate through this first massage and pulled her 
12 
clothes, she would pull away and she was paid $200 for 
13 
that. 
14 
15 
told 
that 
was willing to do more she 
16 
would get paid more. He also informed 
that if she 
17 
would bring her pretty friends he would also pay her for 
18 
bringing her pretty friends. He told 
that 
19 
would get her phone number. 
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says that she performed 
21 
massages for Mr. Epstein. We have with 
22 
approximately a hundred phone calls between 
23 
and 
24 
25 
when we got to the sexual massages that she did for 
upon leaving the first massage Mr. Epstein 
three to four 
When I interviewed 
she became very upset 
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Mr. Epstein. At this point, this is as much as we know 
2 
at this point of what occurred with Mr. Epstein and 
3 
. 
4 
She did three to four massages and those last 
5 
massages they became more sexual in nature, he asked her 
6 
again to remove her clothing, this time she took her 
7 
shirt off, he asked her to take her bra off, she said 
8 
no. 
9 
He again would touch her breasts, he would 
10 
touch her butt, he did continue to masturbate, this time 
11 
she believes he ejaculated. He continued to compliment 
12 
her, tell her she had a nice body and that she was 
13 
pretty. 
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says that he was very nice and engaged 
15 
her in conversation, asked her, you know, if she had a 
16 
boyfriend. In the last massage she discusses with me, 
17 
and this massage Mr. Epstein told her to stop being shy 
18 
and asked her to take her clothes off and Fayth said 
19 
that she had a boyfriend and she didn't feel comfortable 
20 
taking her clothes off and he told her you should know 
21 
what to expect by now when you come here, and he jerked 
22 
on her pants as to like jerk them down, so she did on 
23 
this last massage get down to her bra and underwear. 
24 
She describes his tone at this time being 
25 
frustrated and irritated, she stayed in her bra and 
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underwear, but during the massage he grabbed her bra and 
2 
pulled it down and fondled her breasts, he had 
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instructed her to pinch his chest, his nipples while she 
4 
5 
6 
7 
8 
9 
10 
was massaging his chest, he tried to grab her all over, 
he knew that she was upset with this massage. 
At one point Mr. Epstein asked her if she had 
sex with her boyfriend, 
informs him that she is 
still a virgin and he responds what, you don't like sex? 
And that's pretty much the way that last massage went. 
Q 
Now, Special Agent Kuyrkendall , just to 
11 
interrupt you, you mentioned that Jane Doe number 4 
12 
became very upset as you were asking her about the 
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massages, 
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A 
15 
16 
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18 
19 
20 
21 
22 
23 
24 
reticent at first to tell the entire story until a 
25 
rapport is built? 
correct? 
Yes. 
And when she was describing this incident with 
him grabbing at her breast and trying to pull her pants 
down and instructing her to remove her pants, correct? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
You had talked last week about the expert that 
you had spoken with about interviewing victims of these 
types of offenses? 
A 
Right. 
Q 
And you had told us about how a victim may be 
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A 
Right. 
2 
Q 
can you tell the Grand Jury your impressions 
3 
of your interview with Fayth? 
4 
A 
She became so lisibly upset, and a lot of the 
5 
girls are embarrassed of what took place, but when she 
6 
talked about the last massage and him grabbing her 
7 
breasts and fondling her breasts she was in tears and we 
8 
stopped the massage and we calmed her down, trying to go 
9 
back there was just too difficult, 1 could not get her 
10 
back to discussing anything Iurther that had taken 
11 
place. 
12 
I have since then -- I have since talked to 
13 
again and 1 feel there is more there, but I just 
14 
don't think she is ready to disclose what took place. 
15 
Q 
so based upon the more than 60 telephone calls 
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as well as --
17 
A 
Approximately a hundred. 
18 
Q 
-- 100 telephone calls and your conversations 
19 
with 
you think there is probably more than [our 
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massages that happened? 
21 
A 
YeS, I do 
22 
Q 
was there anything else that you wanted to 
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discuss with the Grand Jury? 
24 
A 
Just, as I stated in the beginning of those 
25 
massages, they engaged in conversation and throughout 
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that conversation, you know, she did inform Mr. Epstein 
2 
that she was a junior in high school and again she is 
3 
one of the girls that talks about 
being Mr. 
4 
Epstein's favorite, so because Mr. Epstein knew they 
5 
were friends they would engage in conversation about 
6 
and Fayth would mention they were in the same 
7 
classes at school and they would discuss the friendship 
8 
they had between the two girls with Mr. Epstein and I 
9 
think that's it. 
10 
Q 
All right. If we could turn to the 
11 
post-indictment to overt act number 4 which appears on 
12 
page number 5. 
13 
Did you obtain telephone records for Jane Doe 
14 
number 4? 
15 
A 
Yes. 
16 
Q 
And did you compare those with the phone 
17 
records of 
Kellen and others? 
18 
A 
Yes, I did. 
19 
Q 
And can you tell us with respect to overt act 
20 
number 4 what evidence you have related to that? 
21 
A 
A review of the phone records indicate that 
22 
there was telephonic contact between the numbers 
23 
belonging to 
and Fayth as well as 
24 
statements that 
would call her to make 
25 
appointments. 
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Q 
And if we could go through overt acts 6, 8, 9 
2 
and 11, all of which appear on page 6. 
3 
A 
A review of the phone records on May 3rd, 
4 
2004, may 14th, 2004, may 20th, 2004 and lune 3rd, 2004, 
5 
a review of those phone records indicate that there was 
6 
telephonic contact between numbers belonging to 
7 
Kellen and 
as well as 
statements. 
8 
Q 
If I could take you to overt acts 14, 15 and 
9 
19 which appear on page 7. 
10 
A 
A review of the phone records on June 11th, 
11 
2004, June 20th, 2004 and July 10th, 2004, they indicate 
12 
that there is telephonic contact between the numbers 
13 
belonging to 
Kellen and 
14 
Q 
And if I could ask you to turn to page 8 and 
15 
if you could address overt acts 24 and 25. 
16 
A 
A review of the phone records on July 18th, 
17 
2004 and July 22nd, 2004, a review of 
Kellen's and 
18 
phone records indicate there is 
19 
telephonic contact belonging to both of them as well as 
20 
statements that Kellen would arrange 
21 
appointments with her. 
22 
Q 
If I could take you to page 9 of the draft 
23 
proposed indictment and ask about overt acts 29 and 30. 
24 
A 
A review of the phone records indicate there 
25 
is telephonic contact on July 22nd, 2004 and August 4th, 
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2004 between numbers belonging to 
Kellen and 
2 
as well as 
statements. 
3 
Q 
If I could take you to page 10 of the draft 
4 
proposed indictment and ask you about overt acts 37 and 
5 
43. 
6 
A 
A review of phone records indicate telephonic 
7 
contact on August 25th, 2004 and October 3rd, 2004 
8 
between numbers belonging to 
Kellen and ■ 
9 
10 
Q 
And it you could turn to page 11 of the draft 
11 
proposed indictment and if you would address overt acts 
12 
47 and 48. 
13 
A 
A review of the phone records indicate 
14 
telephonic contact on october 30th, 2004 and November 
15 
4th, 2004 between numbers belonging to 
Kellen and 
16 
P, as well 
statements. 
17 
Q 
okay. And i 
you could go to page 14 of the 
18 
draft proposed indictment and address overt act number 
19 
77. 
20 
A 
A review of phone records indicate that on 
21 
January 4th, 2005 there was telephonic contact between 
22 
Kellen and 
as well as 
23 
statements. 
24 
Q 
I'm sorry. If you could turn to page 16 of 
25 
the draft proposed indictment and address overt act 
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number 87. 
2 
A 
A review of the phone records indicate that on 
3 
January 22, 2005 there is telephonic phone contact 
4 
between numbers belonging to 
Kellen and 
and 
5 
I believe I said on January 22nd, 2005. 
6 
Q 
Okay. And it you could go to page 17 and 
7 
address overt act number 101. 
8 
A 
On February 14th, 2005 a review of the phone 
9 
records indicate that there was telephonic contact on 
10 
that day between numbers belonging to 
Kellen and 
11 
P, as well as 
statements. 
12 
Q 
If you could turn to pages 18 and 19 and it 
13 
you would address overt acts 106, 114 and 116. 
14 
A 
A review of the phone records indicate that 
15 
there is telephonic contact between 
Kellen and 
16 
on February 24th, 2005 as well as Fayth's 
17 
statements. 
18 
Q 
overt act number 114 says on March 18th, 2005 
19 
defendant Kellen prepared a written message to defendant 
20 
Epstein regarding Jane Doe number 4, could you tell the 
21 
Grand Jury what the evidence is related to that? 
22 
A 
we have a review of the message pads that were 
23 
recovered during the search warrant that the state 
24 
served that showed that 
Kellen wrote a message to 
25 
Epstein regarding Fayth and that was done on March 18th, 
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2005. 
2 
Q 
Do you happen to remember what the message 
3 
said? 
4 
A 
I have those with me. 
5 
Q 
would you mind getting them out? 
6 
A 
Do you want to mark it? 
7 
Q 
If you could just read it to the Grand Jury. 
8 
A 
It is a message written by 
for Jeffrey 
9 
on 3/18/2005, it looks like 4:21 p.m., and the message 
10 
reads is it okay if 
will come at 5:00 and there is 
11 
a question mark. 
12 
Q 
And if i could direct you to overt act number 
13 
116, what the evidence is related to that. 
14 
A 
A review of the phone records on march 29th, 
15 
2005 indicate that there is telephonic contact between 
16 
Kellen and 
as well as her --
17 
statements. 
18 
Q 
And il I could take you to overt act number 
19 
127 which is on page 20. 
20 
A 
A review of phone records on April 11th, 2005 
21 
indicate that there is telephonic phone contact between 
22 
the numbers belonging to Adriana Ross and 
as well 
23 
as 
statements. 
24 
Q 
Now, if you could go to Count number 8, which 
25 
alleges that between April 25th, 2004 and June 29th, 
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2005 Jeffrey Epstein, 
Kellen, Adriana Ross enticed 
2 
Jane Doe number 4 to engage in sexual activity or 
3 
prostitution. 
4 
A 
On or about these dates we have a facility of 
interstate commerce, specifically the telephones, ■ 
6 
Kellen, 
and 
which were utilized to 
7 
set up, arrange massage appointments for Epstein, we 
8 
have 
'ellen taking 
upstairs to set up the 
9 
massage table, she would set the massage table up as 
10 
well as set up the lotions and the oils, we have during 
11 
those massages Epstein would grab and pull 
closer 
12 
to him as he masturbated, he repeatedly would ask her to 
13 
remove her clothing, wearing her bra and underwear, 
14 
Epstein would pull down her bra and grabbed at her 
15 
breast, he attempted to touch her vagina at one point 
16 
but she stopped him, he masturbated, she believes that 
17 
he ejaculated, he paid her $200, he told her that he 
18 
would pay her to bring her pretty friends and would pay 
19 
her more if she would do more. 
20 
Q 
And just so that this is clear to the Grand 
21 
Jury, June 29th of 2005 is the day before Jane Doe 
22 
number 4 turned 18, is that correct? 
23 
A 
Yes. 
24 
Q 
so was there activity that continued past her 
25 
18th birthday? 
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2 
3 
4 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
If I could direct you to 
which appears on page 28, and tell 
related to that. 
Count number 17, 
us about the evidence 
5 
A 
we have evidence through light records that 
6 
indicate on May 21st, 2004 that Epstein and 
7 
traveled to Palm Beach County on the 
8 
Gulfstream, we have telephonic contact between 
and 
9 
Kellen the day before or the day of travel and we 
10 
have the sexual conduct between Epstein and 
as we 
11 
described earlier in Count 8. 
12 
Q 
And 
you could go through Counts 18 and 19. 
13 
A 
we have 'light records that indicate on June 
14 
4th, 2004 Epstein and Nadia Marcinkova traveled to Palm 
15 
Beach County on the Gulfstream, we have telephone 
16 
contact between 
Kellen and 
the day before, 
17 
the day of travel, we have sexual conduct between 
18 
Mr. Epstein and 
as discussed earlier. 
19 
we have also Count 19 on June 20th, 2004 we 
20 
have light records that indicate that Epstein and Nadia 
21 
traveled to Palm Beach County on the Boeing 
22 
727. 
23 
we have the telephone contacts between 
24 
Kellen and 
the day before, the day of travel, we 
25 
also have the sexual conduct between Jeffrey and 
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as we described earlier in Count 8. 
2 
Q 
Could you do the same for Counts 22 and 23, 
3 
please. 
4 
A 
Count 22 we have flight records that indicate 
5 
on July 22nd, 2004 Epstein, 
Kellen, Nadia 
6 
traveled to Palm Beach County on the Boeing 
7 
727, we have the telephonic phone contact between ■ 
8 
Kellen and 
the day before or the day of travel, we 
9 
also have the sexual conduct between Jeffrey Epstein and 
10 
as we described earlier, and Count 23 we have 
11 
flight records that indicate on August 6th, 2004 Epstein 
12 
and 
Kellen traveled to Palm Beach County on the 
13 
Boeing 727, we have telephonic contact between 
14 
Kellen and 
two days prior to Epstein and 
15 
traveling to Palm Beach County, we have sexual 
16 
conduct between Jeffrey Epstein and 
as we 
17 
described earlier. 
18 
Q 
And if you could do the same for Count number 
19 
28, please. 
20 
A 
Count number 28 we have flight records that 
21 
indicate on November 5th, 2004 Epstein, 
Kellen, 
22 
Nadia Marcinkova traveled to Palm Beach County on the 
23 
Guli stream, we have telephonic contact between 
24 
Kellen and 
P the day before or the day of travel, 
25 
we have the sexual conduct between Epstein and 
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Q 
And if I could direct you to Count number 35, 
2 
you testified previously about the people who were 
3 
aboard the plane. 
4 
was there also telephone contact on January 
5 
6th 
excuse me, shortly before the flight on January 
6 
6th, 2005 between MIN 
and this Jane Doe? 
7 
A 
Yes, two days before. 
8 
Q 
And if you look at Count number 40, again, you 
9 
had previously told us about who was on board the plane. 
10 
Can you tell us whether there was also telephone contact 
11 
shortly before that? 
12 
A 
There was telephone contact the day of or the 
13 
day before. 
14 
Q 
All right. Between who and who? 
15 
A 
Between 
Kellen and 
16 
Q 
okay. And i 
you could look at Count 43, you 
17 
also had testified previously about who was aboard the 
18 
plane on that day. 
19 
was there also telephone contact between Jane 
20 
Doe number 4 -- excuse me, Jane Doe number 4 and 
21 
Kellen? 
22 
A 
Yes, two days before. 
23 
Q 
And if I could direct you to Count number 52, 
24 
which is the sex trafficking offense, and if you could 
25 
summarize again for the Grand Jury the evidence related 
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to that. 
2 
A 
we discussed in count 8 the sexual conduct 
3 
that occurred between Fayth and Epstein during the 
4 
massages that took place, we talked about the money that 
5 
was paid to her by Mr. Epstein and the offer of more 
6 
money if she would do more as well as if she would bring 
7 
her friends. 
8 
Through 
statements we have also that 
9 
Kellen has paid her in the past for bringing a 
10 
riend, we have the phone acti II 
.ty between
Kellen 
11 
and 
which started in April, 2004, we know 
12 
was 16 at the time, we also have phone activity between 
13 
Adriana Ross and Fayth beginning in the spring of 2005 
14 
when 
would be 17, with the statements of 
and 
15 
the knowledge that Mr. Epstein knew their age, 
16 
and we have gone through that regarding 
informing 
17 
Mr. Epstein that she was a junior in high school, that 
18 
she was classmates with 
and then 
19 
statements that Fayth was concerned because she was 
20 
discussing prom with Mr. Epstein, and both girls at that 
21 
time of the phone calls were under the age of 18. 
22 
Q 
Just again so it is clear for the Grand Jury, 
23 
neither 
nor 
ever specifically said hey, 
24 
Jeffrey, I am 17, but they provided information that 
25 
should have caused him to try to figure out whether in 
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fact they were adults? 
2 
A 
Yes. 
3 
Q 
Any questions about Jane Doe number 4 before 
4 
we turn to Jane Doe number 5? Yes, ma'am. 
5 
A GRAND JUROR: I have to say something here, 
6 
it it is a stupid question forgive me if it is, 
7 
from what I heard, maybe I heard wrong, there were 
8 
three to four massages that Jane Doe, 
or 
9 
Fayth P said that she had and you enumerated quite 
10 
a few sexual contact. 
11 
How do you know about this, do you have 
12 
records, how do you know they were sexual contact? 
13 
THE WITNESS: Through interviewing 
14 
A GRAND JUROR: She said she only had three to 
15 
four massages. 
16 
A GRAND JUROR: Her question is more like 
17 
there is 20 phone calls. 
18 
A GRAND JUROR: There is tons of them. 
19 
THE WITNESS: Exactly, that is what we were 
20 
discussing earlier when we discussed that there is 
21 
more than what 
is willing to admit at this 
22 
time. 
23 
A GRAND JUROR: I got it. So she said she 
24 
only had three to four. 
25 
A GRAND JUROR: There is a hundred phone 
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calls. 
2 
A GRAND JUROR: You said you found out through 
3 
i am a little bit confused about that. 
4 
THE WITNESS: Through interviewing ■ 
, she 
5 
stated that she had three or four massages from 
6 
Mr. Epstein. 
7 
BY MS. VILLAFANA: 
8 
Q 
Special Agent 
the sexual activity 
9 
that you described that 
went through, that is what 
10 
she said happened during those three to four massages, 
11 
correct? 
12 
A 
Right. 
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Q 
Does that answer your question? 
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A GRAND JUROR: Not really. How do we know 
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like about all these 25, 30? 
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A GRAND JUROR: There is more dates that match 
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up with the amount of massages. 
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A GRAND JUROR: There were a hundred phone 
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calls. 
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A GRAND JUROR: Are we supposed to assume a 
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phone call was made each time they had sexual 
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contact? 
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THE WITNESS: No. There are lots of phone 
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calls made arranging appointments between the 
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girls, that doesn't mean that every phone call that 
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