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FBI VOL00009
EFTA00226396
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14 1 there was sexual conduct between JefI rey Epstein and 2 as we described earlier in Count 7. 3 Q And you could do count 42. 4 A we have evidence that shows [light records, 5 that 'light records indicate that on March 18th, 2005 6 Epstein traveled to Palm Beach County on the Boeing 727, 7 there was telephonic contact between Kellen and 8 the day of or the day before travel , we 9 have the sexual conduct between Mr. Epstein and 10 Q And just referring to that count, 11 is named, although she was not on the flight that day, 12 is that correct? 13 A Yes. 14 Q And you said that she made the telephone calls 15 with correct? 16 A Yes, and we also do have -- we have 17 interviewed Mr. Epstein's pilots and one of the pilots 18 indicated that was the one that arranged all of 19 Mr. Epstein's travel arrangements and so she is 20 responsible for making his arrangements to travel to 21 Palm Beach as well as call the girls for the 22 appointments. 23 Q If I could take you to Count number 43, 24 please. 25 A Flight records indicate that on March 31st, OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE (954) 467-8204 EFTA00226616
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15 1 2005 Mr. Epstein traveled to Palm Beach County on the 2 Boeing 727, there was telephonic contact between 3 and the day before or the day of travel, 4 we also have the sexual conduct between Epstein as 5 described earlier in count 7. 6 Q Again, in Count 44, what is the evidence 7 related to that? 8 A Flight records indicate that on April 8th, 9 2005 Epstein and traveled to Palm Beach 10 County on the Gul stream and there was telephonic 11 contact between Kellen and on the 12 day before or the day of travel , we also have the sexual 13 conduct between Mr. Epstein and 14 Q And if you could go through 45, 46 and 47. 15 A Count 45 we have flight records that indicate 16 on April 27th, 2005 Epstein and Kellen traveled to 17 Palm Beach County on the Gulfstream, there is telephone 18 contact between Kellen and the day 19 before or the day of travel and we have the sexual 20 conduct between Jeffrey and 21 In Count 46 we have flight records that 22 indicate that on may 6th, 2005 Epstein, Kellen and 23 traveled to Palm Beach County on the 24 Gulfstream. 25 we have also telephonic contact between OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE (954) 467-8204 EFTA00226617
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16 1 Kellen and either the day before or the 2 day of travel and we have the sexual conduct between 3 Epstein and and in Count 47 on May 19th, 2005 4 we have flight records that indicate Epstein, ■ 5 Kellen and traveled to Palm Beach County on 6 the Gulfstream and we have telephone contact between 7 Kellen and the day before or the day 8 of travel. 9 we also have the sexual conduct between 10 Epstein and as described in the earlier 11 count, count 7. 12 Q NOw, if I could direct your attention to Count 13 number 51 which appears on page 33, that is the sex 14 trafficking of a minor involving Jane Doe number 3, and 15 could you briefly summarize that, the evidence related 16 to that. 17 A As we discussed earlier in Count 7, I told you 18 guys about the sexual conduct between Epstein and 19 the monies that were paid to by 20 Mr. Epstein, the phone activity we discussed between 21 Kellen and zylus, it began in December, 22 and we also have phone calls beginning in January Irom 23 Adriana Ross to at that time was 17 24 years of age, and we also have statements from 25 and regarding Mr. Epstein's knowledge of their OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE (954) 467-8204 EFTA00226618
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17 1 ages. 2 Q And with respect to the affect on interstate 3 commerce related to that count we have both the 4 telephone calls, correct? S A Yes. 6 Q As well as mr. Epstein actually traveling in 7 interstate commerce to engage in this activity, correct? 8 A Yes, we do. 9 Q is there anything else that you would like to 10 mention about Jane Doe number 3? 11 A Not at this time, no. 12 Q If I could direct you to Jane Doe number 4 and 13 if you could summarize for the Grand Jury the 14 information related to Jane Doe number 4's activities. 15 A Jane Doe number 4 is P, I think you 16 wanted their birth dates, her birth date is June 30th, 17 1987, she was 16 years old and attended Royal Palm Beach 18 High School. 19 we first have contact through phone calls from 20 to Fayth on April 25th, 2004 which 21 indicates and shows that was clearly 16 years of 22 age when she started going to Mr. Epstein's and 23 performing massages for mr. Epstein. 24 our Jane Doe number 1, was the one 25 who recruited she basically told Fayth that she OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE (954) 467-8204 EFTA00226619
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18 1 could make $200, she needed to dress cute, he might try 2 to touch you, but it you eel uncomfortable just let him 3 know and he will stop, and the first massage that ■ 4 did he repeatedly told and I mentioned this to 5 you in the last Grand Jury session, she was very shy and 6 he would repeatedly tell her not to be so shy, that she 7 didn't have to be so shy. 8 Epstein asked her to remove her clothing and 9 she told him no, and throughout the massage he would 10 repeatedly grab at her, he grabbed her butt, he did 11 masturbate through this first massage and pulled her 12 clothes, she would pull away and she was paid $200 for 13 that. 14 15 told that was willing to do more she 16 would get paid more. He also informed that if she 17 would bring her pretty friends he would also pay her for 18 bringing her pretty friends. He told that 19 would get her phone number. 20 says that she performed 21 massages for Mr. Epstein. We have with 22 approximately a hundred phone calls between 23 and 24 25 when we got to the sexual massages that she did for upon leaving the first massage Mr. Epstein three to four When I interviewed she became very upset OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE (954) 467-8204 EFTA00226620
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19 1 Mr. Epstein. At this point, this is as much as we know 2 at this point of what occurred with Mr. Epstein and 3 . 4 She did three to four massages and those last 5 massages they became more sexual in nature, he asked her 6 again to remove her clothing, this time she took her 7 shirt off, he asked her to take her bra off, she said 8 no. 9 He again would touch her breasts, he would 10 touch her butt, he did continue to masturbate, this time 11 she believes he ejaculated. He continued to compliment 12 her, tell her she had a nice body and that she was 13 pretty. 14 says that he was very nice and engaged 15 her in conversation, asked her, you know, if she had a 16 boyfriend. In the last massage she discusses with me, 17 and this massage Mr. Epstein told her to stop being shy 18 and asked her to take her clothes off and Fayth said 19 that she had a boyfriend and she didn't feel comfortable 20 taking her clothes off and he told her you should know 21 what to expect by now when you come here, and he jerked 22 on her pants as to like jerk them down, so she did on 23 this last massage get down to her bra and underwear. 24 She describes his tone at this time being 25 frustrated and irritated, she stayed in her bra and OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE (954) 467-8204 EFTA00226621
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20 1 underwear, but during the massage he grabbed her bra and 2 pulled it down and fondled her breasts, he had 3 instructed her to pinch his chest, his nipples while she 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 was massaging his chest, he tried to grab her all over, he knew that she was upset with this massage. At one point Mr. Epstein asked her if she had sex with her boyfriend, informs him that she is still a virgin and he responds what, you don't like sex? And that's pretty much the way that last massage went. Q Now, Special Agent Kuyrkendall , just to 11 interrupt you, you mentioned that Jane Doe number 4 12 became very upset as you were asking her about the 13 massages, 14 A 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 reticent at first to tell the entire story until a 25 rapport is built? correct? Yes. And when she was describing this incident with him grabbing at her breast and trying to pull her pants down and instructing her to remove her pants, correct? A Yes. Q You had talked last week about the expert that you had spoken with about interviewing victims of these types of offenses? A Right. Q And you had told us about how a victim may be OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE (954) 467-8204 EFTA00226622
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21 1 A Right. 2 Q can you tell the Grand Jury your impressions 3 of your interview with Fayth? 4 A She became so lisibly upset, and a lot of the 5 girls are embarrassed of what took place, but when she 6 talked about the last massage and him grabbing her 7 breasts and fondling her breasts she was in tears and we 8 stopped the massage and we calmed her down, trying to go 9 back there was just too difficult, 1 could not get her 10 back to discussing anything Iurther that had taken 11 place. 12 I have since then -- I have since talked to 13 again and 1 feel there is more there, but I just 14 don't think she is ready to disclose what took place. 15 Q so based upon the more than 60 telephone calls 16 as well as -- 17 A Approximately a hundred. 18 Q -- 100 telephone calls and your conversations 19 with you think there is probably more than [our 20 massages that happened? 21 A YeS, I do 22 Q was there anything else that you wanted to 23 discuss with the Grand Jury? 24 A Just, as I stated in the beginning of those 25 massages, they engaged in conversation and throughout OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE (954) 467-8204 EFTA00226623
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22 1 that conversation, you know, she did inform Mr. Epstein 2 that she was a junior in high school and again she is 3 one of the girls that talks about being Mr. 4 Epstein's favorite, so because Mr. Epstein knew they 5 were friends they would engage in conversation about 6 and Fayth would mention they were in the same 7 classes at school and they would discuss the friendship 8 they had between the two girls with Mr. Epstein and I 9 think that's it. 10 Q All right. If we could turn to the 11 post-indictment to overt act number 4 which appears on 12 page number 5. 13 Did you obtain telephone records for Jane Doe 14 number 4? 15 A Yes. 16 Q And did you compare those with the phone 17 records of Kellen and others? 18 A Yes, I did. 19 Q And can you tell us with respect to overt act 20 number 4 what evidence you have related to that? 21 A A review of the phone records indicate that 22 there was telephonic contact between the numbers 23 belonging to and Fayth as well as 24 statements that would call her to make 25 appointments. OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE (954) 467-8204 EFTA00226624
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23 1 Q And if we could go through overt acts 6, 8, 9 2 and 11, all of which appear on page 6. 3 A A review of the phone records on May 3rd, 4 2004, may 14th, 2004, may 20th, 2004 and lune 3rd, 2004, 5 a review of those phone records indicate that there was 6 telephonic contact between numbers belonging to 7 Kellen and as well as statements. 8 Q If I could take you to overt acts 14, 15 and 9 19 which appear on page 7. 10 A A review of the phone records on June 11th, 11 2004, June 20th, 2004 and July 10th, 2004, they indicate 12 that there is telephonic contact between the numbers 13 belonging to Kellen and 14 Q And if I could ask you to turn to page 8 and 15 if you could address overt acts 24 and 25. 16 A A review of the phone records on July 18th, 17 2004 and July 22nd, 2004, a review of Kellen's and 18 phone records indicate there is 19 telephonic contact belonging to both of them as well as 20 statements that Kellen would arrange 21 appointments with her. 22 Q If I could take you to page 9 of the draft 23 proposed indictment and ask about overt acts 29 and 30. 24 A A review of the phone records indicate there 25 is telephonic contact on July 22nd, 2004 and August 4th, OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE (954) 467-8204 EFTA00226625
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24 1 2004 between numbers belonging to Kellen and 2 as well as statements. 3 Q If I could take you to page 10 of the draft 4 proposed indictment and ask you about overt acts 37 and 5 43. 6 A A review of phone records indicate telephonic 7 contact on August 25th, 2004 and October 3rd, 2004 8 between numbers belonging to Kellen and ■ 9 10 Q And it you could turn to page 11 of the draft 11 proposed indictment and if you would address overt acts 12 47 and 48. 13 A A review of the phone records indicate 14 telephonic contact on october 30th, 2004 and November 15 4th, 2004 between numbers belonging to Kellen and 16 P, as well statements. 17 Q okay. And i you could go to page 14 of the 18 draft proposed indictment and address overt act number 19 77. 20 A A review of phone records indicate that on 21 January 4th, 2005 there was telephonic contact between 22 Kellen and as well as 23 statements. 24 Q I'm sorry. If you could turn to page 16 of 25 the draft proposed indictment and address overt act OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE (954) 467-8204 EFTA00226626
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25 1 number 87. 2 A A review of the phone records indicate that on 3 January 22, 2005 there is telephonic phone contact 4 between numbers belonging to Kellen and and 5 I believe I said on January 22nd, 2005. 6 Q Okay. And it you could go to page 17 and 7 address overt act number 101. 8 A On February 14th, 2005 a review of the phone 9 records indicate that there was telephonic contact on 10 that day between numbers belonging to Kellen and 11 P, as well as statements. 12 Q If you could turn to pages 18 and 19 and it 13 you would address overt acts 106, 114 and 116. 14 A A review of the phone records indicate that 15 there is telephonic contact between Kellen and 16 on February 24th, 2005 as well as Fayth's 17 statements. 18 Q overt act number 114 says on March 18th, 2005 19 defendant Kellen prepared a written message to defendant 20 Epstein regarding Jane Doe number 4, could you tell the 21 Grand Jury what the evidence is related to that? 22 A we have a review of the message pads that were 23 recovered during the search warrant that the state 24 served that showed that Kellen wrote a message to 25 Epstein regarding Fayth and that was done on March 18th, OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE (954) 467-8204 EFTA00226627
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26 1 2005. 2 Q Do you happen to remember what the message 3 said? 4 A I have those with me. 5 Q would you mind getting them out? 6 A Do you want to mark it? 7 Q If you could just read it to the Grand Jury. 8 A It is a message written by for Jeffrey 9 on 3/18/2005, it looks like 4:21 p.m., and the message 10 reads is it okay if will come at 5:00 and there is 11 a question mark. 12 Q And if i could direct you to overt act number 13 116, what the evidence is related to that. 14 A A review of the phone records on march 29th, 15 2005 indicate that there is telephonic contact between 16 Kellen and as well as her -- 17 statements. 18 Q And il I could take you to overt act number 19 127 which is on page 20. 20 A A review of phone records on April 11th, 2005 21 indicate that there is telephonic phone contact between 22 the numbers belonging to Adriana Ross and as well 23 as statements. 24 Q Now, if you could go to Count number 8, which 25 alleges that between April 25th, 2004 and June 29th, OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE (954) 467-8204 EFTA00226628
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27 1 2005 Jeffrey Epstein, Kellen, Adriana Ross enticed 2 Jane Doe number 4 to engage in sexual activity or 3 prostitution. 4 A On or about these dates we have a facility of interstate commerce, specifically the telephones, ■ 6 Kellen, and which were utilized to 7 set up, arrange massage appointments for Epstein, we 8 have 'ellen taking upstairs to set up the 9 massage table, she would set the massage table up as 10 well as set up the lotions and the oils, we have during 11 those massages Epstein would grab and pull closer 12 to him as he masturbated, he repeatedly would ask her to 13 remove her clothing, wearing her bra and underwear, 14 Epstein would pull down her bra and grabbed at her 15 breast, he attempted to touch her vagina at one point 16 but she stopped him, he masturbated, she believes that 17 he ejaculated, he paid her $200, he told her that he 18 would pay her to bring her pretty friends and would pay 19 her more if she would do more. 20 Q And just so that this is clear to the Grand 21 Jury, June 29th of 2005 is the day before Jane Doe 22 number 4 turned 18, is that correct? 23 A Yes. 24 Q so was there activity that continued past her 25 18th birthday? OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE (954) 467-8204 EFTA00226629
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28 1 2 3 4 A Yes. Q If I could direct you to which appears on page 28, and tell related to that. Count number 17, us about the evidence 5 A we have evidence through light records that 6 indicate on May 21st, 2004 that Epstein and 7 traveled to Palm Beach County on the 8 Gulfstream, we have telephonic contact between and 9 Kellen the day before or the day of travel and we 10 have the sexual conduct between Epstein and as we 11 described earlier in Count 8. 12 Q And you could go through Counts 18 and 19. 13 A we have 'light records that indicate on June 14 4th, 2004 Epstein and Nadia Marcinkova traveled to Palm 15 Beach County on the Gulfstream, we have telephone 16 contact between Kellen and the day before, 17 the day of travel, we have sexual conduct between 18 Mr. Epstein and as discussed earlier. 19 we have also Count 19 on June 20th, 2004 we 20 have light records that indicate that Epstein and Nadia 21 traveled to Palm Beach County on the Boeing 22 727. 23 we have the telephone contacts between 24 Kellen and the day before, the day of travel, we 25 also have the sexual conduct between Jeffrey and OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE (954) 467-8204 EFTA00226630
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29 1 as we described earlier in Count 8. 2 Q Could you do the same for Counts 22 and 23, 3 please. 4 A Count 22 we have flight records that indicate 5 on July 22nd, 2004 Epstein, Kellen, Nadia 6 traveled to Palm Beach County on the Boeing 7 727, we have the telephonic phone contact between ■ 8 Kellen and the day before or the day of travel, we 9 also have the sexual conduct between Jeffrey Epstein and 10 as we described earlier, and Count 23 we have 11 flight records that indicate on August 6th, 2004 Epstein 12 and Kellen traveled to Palm Beach County on the 13 Boeing 727, we have telephonic contact between 14 Kellen and two days prior to Epstein and 15 traveling to Palm Beach County, we have sexual 16 conduct between Jeffrey Epstein and as we 17 described earlier. 18 Q And if you could do the same for Count number 19 28, please. 20 A Count number 28 we have flight records that 21 indicate on November 5th, 2004 Epstein, Kellen, 22 Nadia Marcinkova traveled to Palm Beach County on the 23 Guli stream, we have telephonic contact between 24 Kellen and P the day before or the day of travel, 25 we have the sexual conduct between Epstein and OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE (954) 467-8204 EFTA00226631
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30 1 Q And if I could direct you to Count number 35, 2 you testified previously about the people who were 3 aboard the plane. 4 was there also telephone contact on January 5 6th excuse me, shortly before the flight on January 6 6th, 2005 between MIN and this Jane Doe? 7 A Yes, two days before. 8 Q And if you look at Count number 40, again, you 9 had previously told us about who was on board the plane. 10 Can you tell us whether there was also telephone contact 11 shortly before that? 12 A There was telephone contact the day of or the 13 day before. 14 Q All right. Between who and who? 15 A Between Kellen and 16 Q okay. And i you could look at Count 43, you 17 also had testified previously about who was aboard the 18 plane on that day. 19 was there also telephone contact between Jane 20 Doe number 4 -- excuse me, Jane Doe number 4 and 21 Kellen? 22 A Yes, two days before. 23 Q And if I could direct you to Count number 52, 24 which is the sex trafficking offense, and if you could 25 summarize again for the Grand Jury the evidence related OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE (954) 467-8204 EFTA00226632
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31 1 to that. 2 A we discussed in count 8 the sexual conduct 3 that occurred between Fayth and Epstein during the 4 massages that took place, we talked about the money that 5 was paid to her by Mr. Epstein and the offer of more 6 money if she would do more as well as if she would bring 7 her friends. 8 Through statements we have also that 9 Kellen has paid her in the past for bringing a 10 riend, we have the phone acti II .ty between Kellen 11 and which started in April, 2004, we know 12 was 16 at the time, we also have phone activity between 13 Adriana Ross and Fayth beginning in the spring of 2005 14 when would be 17, with the statements of and 15 the knowledge that Mr. Epstein knew their age, 16 and we have gone through that regarding informing 17 Mr. Epstein that she was a junior in high school, that 18 she was classmates with and then 19 statements that Fayth was concerned because she was 20 discussing prom with Mr. Epstein, and both girls at that 21 time of the phone calls were under the age of 18. 22 Q Just again so it is clear for the Grand Jury, 23 neither nor ever specifically said hey, 24 Jeffrey, I am 17, but they provided information that 25 should have caused him to try to figure out whether in OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE (954) 467-8204 EFTA00226633
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32 1 fact they were adults? 2 A Yes. 3 Q Any questions about Jane Doe number 4 before 4 we turn to Jane Doe number 5? Yes, ma'am. 5 A GRAND JUROR: I have to say something here, 6 it it is a stupid question forgive me if it is, 7 from what I heard, maybe I heard wrong, there were 8 three to four massages that Jane Doe, or 9 Fayth P said that she had and you enumerated quite 10 a few sexual contact. 11 How do you know about this, do you have 12 records, how do you know they were sexual contact? 13 THE WITNESS: Through interviewing 14 A GRAND JUROR: She said she only had three to 15 four massages. 16 A GRAND JUROR: Her question is more like 17 there is 20 phone calls. 18 A GRAND JUROR: There is tons of them. 19 THE WITNESS: Exactly, that is what we were 20 discussing earlier when we discussed that there is 21 more than what is willing to admit at this 22 time. 23 A GRAND JUROR: I got it. So she said she 24 only had three to four. 25 A GRAND JUROR: There is a hundred phone OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE (954) 467-8204 EFTA00226634
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33 1 calls. 2 A GRAND JUROR: You said you found out through 3 i am a little bit confused about that. 4 THE WITNESS: Through interviewing ■ , she 5 stated that she had three or four massages from 6 Mr. Epstein. 7 BY MS. VILLAFANA: 8 Q Special Agent the sexual activity 9 that you described that went through, that is what 10 she said happened during those three to four massages, 11 correct? 12 A Right. 13 Q Does that answer your question? 14 A GRAND JUROR: Not really. How do we know 15 like about all these 25, 30? 16 A GRAND JUROR: There is more dates that match 17 up with the amount of massages. 18 A GRAND JUROR: There were a hundred phone 19 calls. 20 A GRAND JUROR: Are we supposed to assume a 21 phone call was made each time they had sexual 22 contact? 23 THE WITNESS: No. There are lots of phone 24 calls made arranging appointments between the 25 girls, that doesn't mean that every phone call that OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE (954) 467-8204 EFTA00226635