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FBI VOL00009

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Yes. 
Q 
Is that Mr. Critton's assistant? 
Mr. Reinhart's assistant? You don't know. 
MR. EDWARDS: 
BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: 
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I'm sorry. 
told 
you where to go for the meeting? 
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Yes. 
Q 
You testified that Mr. Rodriguez was 
terminated, according to your understanding, for not 
buying groceries when Mr. Epstein came into the house; 
is that correct? 
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Yes. 
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Who told you that that was the reason? 
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Ms. Maxwell told me that Alfredo should --
Ms. Maxwell told me that Alfredo should not -- Alfredo 
should always like, I don't know. 
MR. REINHART: Answer the question you were 
asked. Who told you that? 
THE WITNESS: Ms. Maxwell. 
I'm sorry. 
BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: 
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Why did Ms. Maxwell tell you about the reasons 
for terminating? 
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Because there was one time that I called the 
agency that I'm going to quit. 
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Okay. And why was that? 
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Because Alfredo was not listening to my 
complaints. 
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What were you complaining about? 
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Like my hand was already -- like I have to 
help in the kitchen and then, like, iron. So I said my 
hand is numb already, and Alfredo did not even pay 
attention. So I called the agency to find another job. 
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I'm confused. I thought you were employed --
so you weren't employed by the agency at this point, you 
were going to go back to the agency to find another job; 
is that fair to say? 
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Yes. 
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And this is before you even complained to 
Ms. Maxwell? 
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I did not complain to Ms. Maxwell. 
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And that was because Mr. Rodriguez was your 
supervisor, correct? 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
THE WITNESS: At that time, yes. 
BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: 
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Did that ever change, before Mr. Rodriguez 
left the employment? 
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Yes. 
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When did it change? 
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Because I was told that we have to work 
together, but he was like, you know, like very bossy. 
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You didn't like Mr. Rodriguez, did you? 
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No. I, what's this, I like him first, but 
then he keeps on talking and talking and talking and 
criticizing. And then he lied, there was one instance I 
want to tell you that he also lied. 
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Other than what you testified to before? 
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Yes. 
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Okay. Go ahead. 
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There was one time I was still new, and 
then --
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I'm sorry. You were what? 
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Still new. You don't understand my English. 
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go around 
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tidy. 
okay. Take your time. 
this? Before I leave, I always, like, 
And then that time the master bedroom 
was closed, so I told Alfredo it's closed, so I went 
back to him. He said no, no, no, they went to the 
movies. And I went back again, but 
it's not proper, so I knock again. 
knock, I went down again to talk to 
then I feel that 
No. I did not 
Alfredo. So I went 
back again and knock, and then Mr. Epstein was in the 
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bedroom. 
And the next day Alfredo told me that 
Mr. Epstein will fire me. And Alfredo, I was, what's 
this. I was disappointed in Alfredo because he should 
have told Mr. Epstein if he is like a good boss that it 
was his fault because I'm still new there and I don't, 
what's this, he was telling me that nobody is there in 
the bedroom. 
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And so Mr. Epstein was going to fire you for 
knocking on the bedroom door while he was in the 
bedroom? 
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That's what Alfredo said, told me. 
Q 
Okay. But Mr. Epstein didn't fire you, 
correct? 
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No. 
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What was Mr. Epstein doing in the bedroom when 
you knocked on the door? 
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Maybe taking a nap. I don't know. 
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Was he in the bedroom with anyone at the time? 
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I don't know. 
Q 
You never heard anything else from anyone 
about whether you'd be fired, is that basically what 
happened after this? 
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No. That was only from Alfredo. 
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Okay. So you were waiting to hear something 
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from Mr. Epstein or Ms. Maxwell but you never heard 
anything else; is that it? 
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No. 
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Yuu cunLiuued wiLli youL jub, cuLLecL? 
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Yes, sir. 
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Well, why did you speak to Ms. Maxwell about 
the reasons that Mr. Rodriguez was terminated? 
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Why I talk to Ms. Maxwell? 
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Yes. 
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I think she called me to be in the house when 
Alfredo comes. 
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To be in -- what do you mean? 
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Because Alfredo at that time was on vacation. 
Q 
Okay. And they were terminating him when he 
came back? 
MR. CRITTON. Form. 
BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: 
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I'm not understanding. 
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Alfredo told me that he asked for a vacation, 
so he was on vacation at that time. 
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Okay. That's when Ms. Maxwell spoke to you 
about why she's terminating Alfredo? 
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She didn't tell me that she's going to 
terminate Alfredo, but she told me to stay in the house 
because Alfredo will come and pick up his things. 
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Oh. So she wanted you to watch Alfredo when 
he came to pick up his things? 
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Yes. And to get something, like a folder from 
Alfredo. 
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okay. And at that time the reason that she 
gave you, according to your testimony, for terminating 
him was that he had failed to buy groceries? 
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She did not tell me that time that she is 
going to terminate Alfredo because he did not buy, but 
she was upset also that Alfredo did not guy groceries. 
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But that wasn't the reason she was terminating 
him? 
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I don't know. 
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Did she give any other reasons that she was 
unhappy with Alfredo's performance? 
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No. 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Nothing further. 
MR. HILL: I don't have anything. 
MR. EDWARDS: Ma'am, can you just put your 
telephone number on the record just so that we can 
get in touch with you if we need to find you for 
trial or something? 
MR. REINHART: You can contact me. 
MR. EDWARDS: Even if, you know, God forbid, 
the trial is a year from now and she's not an 
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Epstein employee and you don't have it? 
MR. REINHART: 
I will 
be -- I'm her lawyer, 
you can contact her through me and I'll 
find her. 
MR. EDWARDS: 
Perfect. 
Good enough for me. 
All right. 
Read or waive? 
MR. REINHART: 
Read. 
THE COURT REPORTER: 
Do you need to order? 
MR. EDWARDS: 
Yes. 
THE COURT REPORTER: 
Who needs copies? 
MR. CRITTON: 
Are you getting it 
typed? 
MR. EDWARDS: 
Yes. 
MR. CRITTON: 
I'll 
take a copy, front page 
only, mini, with a text. 
MR. HILL: 
No. 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: 
Yes. 
(witness excused.) 
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THE STATE OF FLORIDA) 
COUNTY OF PALM BEACH) 
I, the undersigned authority, certify that 
personally appeared before me on the 
20th of October, 2009, and was duly sworn. 
Dated this 30th day of October, 2009. 
Teresa Whalen, RPR, FPR 
Notary Public - State of Florida 
My Commission Expires: 4/25/11 
My Commission No.: DD 644533 
Job # 118991 
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CERTIFICATE 
THE STATE OF FLORIDA) 
COUNTY OF PALM BEACH) 
I, Teresa Whalen, Registered Professional 
Reporter and Notary Public in and for the State of 
Florida at large, do hereby certify that I was 
authorized to and did report said deposition in 
stenotype; and that the foregoing pages are a true 
and correct transcription of my shorthand notes of 
said deposition. 
I further certify that said depouiLion was 
taken at the time and place hereinabove set forth 
and that the taking of said deposition was commenced 
and completed as hereinabove set out. 
I further certify that I am not attorney or 
counsel of any of the parties, nor am I a relative 
or employee of any attorney or counsel of party 
connected with the action, nor am I financially 
interested in the action. 
The foregoing certification of this transcript 
does not apply to any reproduction of the same by 
any means unless under the direct control and/us 
direction of the certifying reporter. 
Dated this 30th day of October, 2009. 
Teresa Whalen, RPR, FPR 
Job # 118991 
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DATE: 
TO! 
October 30, 2009 
C/o BRUCE E. REINHART, ESQUIRE 
250 Australian Avenue South, Suite 1400 
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 
IN RE: 
L.M. I. EPSTEIN 
CASE NO.: 502008CA028052XXXXMB AD 
Please take notice that on Tuesday, the 20th of 
October, 2009, you gave your deposition in the 
above-referred matter. At that time, you did not 
waive signature. /t is now necessary that you sign 
your deposition. 
As previously agreed to, the transcript will be 
furnished to you through your counsel. Please read 
the following instructions carefully: 
At the end of the transcript you will find an 
errata sheet. As you read your deposition, any 
changes or corrections that you wish to make should 
be noted on the errata sheet, citing page and line 
number of said change. DO NOT write on the 
transcript itself. Once you have read the 
transcript and noted any changes, be sure to sign 
and date the errata sheet and return these pages to 
me. 
If you do not read and sign the deposition 
within a reasonable time, the original, which has 
already been forwarded to the ordering attorney, may 
be filed with the Clerk of the Court. If you wish 
to waive your signature, sign your name in the blank 
at the bottom of this letter and return it to us. 
Very truly yours, 
Teresa Whalen, RPR, FPR 
ESQUIRE DEPOSITION SERVICES, INC. 
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I do hereby waive my signature 
Cc: Via transcript: STUART S. MERMELSTEIN, ESQUIRE 
ROBERT D. CRITTON, JR., ESQUIRE 
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CERTIFICATE 
THE STATE OF FLORIDA) 
COUNTY OF PALM BEACH) 
I hereby certify that I have read the foregoing 
deposition by me given, and that the statements 
contained herein are true and correct to the best of 
my knowledge and belief, with the exception of any 
corrections or notations made on the errata sheet, 
if one was executed. 
Dated this 
day of  
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Job # 118991 
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ERRATA 
SHEET 
IN RE: L.M. I. EPSTEIN CR: TERESA WHALEN 
DEPOSITION OF: 
TAKEN: 10/20/09 
JOB NO.: 118991 
DO NOT WRITE ON TRANSCRIPT - ENTER CHANGES HERE 
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REASON 
Please forward the original signed errata sheet to 
this office so that copies may be distributed to 
all parties. 
Under penalty of perjury, I declare that I have read 
my deposition and that it is true and correct 
subject to any changes in form or substance entered 
here. 
DATE: 
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