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all you know? 
2 
A. 
Yes. 
3 
Q. 
In addition to being friends, do you know 
4 
them to be -- have a business relationship with one 
5 
another? 
6 
A. 
I don't know. 
7 
Q. 
Do you know what Mr. Brunel does for a 
8 
living? 
9 
A. 
I think he has some modeling agency, owner of 
10 
some modeling agency. I don't know exactly where, which 
11 
one. 
12 
Q. 
Why do you think that? Why do you think 
13 
he is involved with a modeling agency? 
14 
A. 
I think somebody told me. 
15 
Q. 
Okay. That's fair enough. Who? 
16 
A. 
I don't remember who. 
17 
Q. 
Would it be 
or Mr. Epstein? 
18 
A. 
It could be. 
19 
Q. 
And whether it was 
or -- whoever 
20 
told you about this was one of the people that you 
21 
have previously described as being within the 
22 
Jeffrey Epstein organization? 
23 
A. 
Yes. 
24 
Q. 
And as you sit here today, you can't say 
25 
definitely it was one person within the organization 
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but it was one of those people you named? 
2 
A. 
Correct. 
3 
Q. 
Most likely 
4 
A. 
Yes. 
5 
Q. 
Okay. And do you remember in what context 
6 
she told you Mr. Brunel is in -- is involved in the 
7 
modeling industry or modeling agency? 
8 
A. 
No. 
9 
Q. 
Would you know the name of his modeling 
10 
agency? 
11 
A. 
No. 
12 
Q. 
Have you heard the name, MC Squared or 
13 
MC2? 
14 
A. 
Yes. 
15 
Q. 
And where have you heard that? 
16 
A. 
In one of the magazines it mentions, I read an 
17 
article about modeling. It mentioned a couple of them 
18 
Casablanca, MC2 and. 
19 
Q. 
Casablanca? 
20 
A. 
Yeah. They are some other agencies. 
21 
Q. 
Casablanca, where have you heard that name 
22 
before? 
23 
A. 
I heard that in one of the magazines, I think. 
24 
Q. 
Is there a person with that last name that 
25 
is also friends with Brunel that you're aware of? 
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A. 
Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, John Casablanca. 
2 
Q. 
He is friends with Jean Luc Brunel? 
3 
A. 
I don't know. That was the fourth modeling 
4 
agency I think. 
5 
Q. 
And have you ever seen John Casablanca? 
6 
A. 
No. 
7 
Q. 
Okay. But you know him to be associated 
8 
with a modeling agency? 
9 
A. 
I mean I heard the name. I heard about his 
10 
agency, modeling agency, but I don't know who he is. 
11 
Q. 
Did you hear his name from Jean Luc Brunel 
12 
or Mr. Epstein? 
13 
A. 
No. 
14 
Q. 
Okay. So, other then seeing Jean Luc 
15 
Brunel at the house last week and talking with 
16 
Mr. Epstein by the pool or by the cabana or around 
17 
the house, did you make any other observations as to 
18 
what Mr. Brunel was doing in town? 
19 
A. 
No. 
20 
Q. 
Did you overhear anything else that 
21 
Mr. Brunel was speaking to Mr. Epstein about or 
22 
vice-versa? 
23 
A. 
No. 
24 
Q. 
In addition to when you would see 
25 
Mr. Epstein and Mr. Brunel talking or communicating 
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with one another, who else was usually around? 
2 
A. 
I don't see anybody. 
3 
Q. 
I mean, was 
with them or 
or 
4 
anybody else? 
5 
A. 
Yeah. I guess, yes. He sometimes ask for 
6 
coffee or tea, so either 
or 
bring him a tea 
7 
or coffee. So, probably they -- it was a moment when 
8 
they were together talking and either 
or 
9 
brought them something to drink, but I don't know. I 
10 
don't see them. 
11 
Q. 
During his three-day stay did you see any 
12 
other females around the house aside from 
and 
13 
? 
14 
A. 
Yeah. There was one. What's her name, III 
. 
15 
Q. .7 
16 
A. 
-. 
17 
Q. 
18 
A. 
Yeah. 
19 
Q. 
What's her last name? 
20 
A. 
I don't know her last name. 
21 
Q. 
And was she with Mr. Brunel? 
22 
A. 
No. She was also picked up by Igor from the 
23 
airport. 
24 
Q. 
Do you know where she came from? 
25 
A. 
No. 
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Q. 
Were you told that she was coming in town? 
2 
A. 
Igor told me because he has to pick her up. 
3 
It was my day off. 
4 
Q. 
All right. I don't think that I am 
5 
familiar with that person, III. Is that somebody 
6 
who has been to the house before? 
7 
A. 
No. 
8 
Q. 
First time that you saw her was last week? 
9 
A. 
Yes. 
10 
Q. 
Okay. And did she seem to know Jean Luc 
11 
Brunel? 
12 
A. 
I don't know. 
13 
Q. 
You couldn't tell by the interactions or 
14 
anything like that? 
15 
A. 
No. 
16 
Q. 
To you they could have been complete 
17 
strangers, or they could have known each other 
18 
forever? 
19 
A. 
Yes. 
20 
Q. 
Okay. Do you go out of your way not to 
21 
observe? I mean, is that -- that's a bad way to ask 
22 
the question. Is it your job when people are around 
23 
the house to kind of stay away or stay in the 
24 
background? 
25 
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THE WITNESS: I mean, it's not, I try to 
2 
not be around them. You know, it's not -- my 
3 
job is to make sure that everything is what 
4 
they ask for. I don't want to be around them 
5 
and listen when they are talking and looking at 
6 
whom they are talking. I try to stay away, 
7 
yes, as long as possible. 
8 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
9 
Q. 
And when I ask questions about your 
10 
knowledge based on your observations, I mean 
11 
obviously you've seen me talking with your attorney, 
12 
Jack Goldberger, today and you can tell that we've 
13 
talked at some point in time in the past, right; 
14 
that today isn't the first time we've ever talked to 
15 
one another. 
16 
And that's kind of what I am asking you 
17 
about this person III. Just based on your 
18 
observations and common sense, could you tell that 
19 
this person, III, knew Jean Luc Brunel before last 
20 
week? 
21 
A. 
I don't think so. 
22 
Q. 
Okay. How old would you estimate or 
23 
approximate this person III to be assuming you don't 
24 
know her age? 
25 
A. 
I think in her 30's or late 20's. 
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Q. 
And was she a model? Is she a model? 
2 
A. 
I don't know. 
3 
Q. 
What did you see her do -- strike that. 
4 
How long did she stay at the house? 
5 
A. 
Four days, I think. 
6 
Q. 
Do you know how Mr. Epstein knows III? 
7 
A. 
No. 
8 
Q. 
Is III 
friend or 
friend or 
9 
Mr. Epstein's friend? Who was she there to see? 
10 
A. 
I would say Mr. Epstein's friend. 
11 
Q. 
All right. And where did she sleep while 
12 
she was in town? 
13 
A. 
One of the guest rooms. 
14 
Q. 
Based on your observations could you tell 
15 
if Mr. Epstein was romantically or intimately 
16 
involved with III? 
17 
A. 
No. 
18 
Q. 
Based on your observations could you tell 
19 
if Jean Luc Brunel was intimately involved with III? 
20 
A. 
No. 
21 
Q. 
No. You can't tell or, no, they were not? 
22 
A. 
No, I cannot tell. 
23 
Q. 
Okay. So, is there anything more that you 
24 
can tell me about what her possible purpose for 
25 
being in town or why she was there? 
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A. 
No. She was a guest, I assume. 
2 
Q. 
Any reason why there would be an overlap 
3 
between her staying at the house and Jean Luc 
4 
staying at the house, or it was just coincidence as 
5 
far as you could tell? 
6 
A. 
I don't know. 
7 
Q. 
Okay. And is there anywhere where you've 
8 
written down or documented what 
last name is? 
9 
A. 
No. 
10 
Q. 
Did you take her back to the airport? 
11 
A. 
Yes. 
12 
Q. 
And what day did you take her to the 
13 
airport? 
14 
A. 
Yesterday. 
15 
Q. 
Yesterday. So, she was here four days. 
16 
She got here last Thursday or Friday? 
17 
A. 
I think Friday. 
18 
Q. 
And she was at the house for a period of 
19 
time when Jean Luc Brunel was at the house? 
20 
A. 
Yeah. I mean, last week, yes. 
21 
Q. 
Okay. So, she got there Friday. When did 
22 
Jean Luc Brunel finally leave Mr. Epstein's house? 
23 
A. 
I think Monday, yeah, Monday. He left Monday. 
24 
Q. 
That's yesterday? 
25 
A. 
Or Sunday. 
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Q. 
Today is Tuesday. 
2 
A. 
Today is Tuesday. Yes, I think Sunday. 
3 
Q. 
Okay. So, on Sunday Jean Luc Brunel left 
4 
and on Monday III left? 
5 
A. 
Yes. 
6 
Q. 
All right. Did you take Jean Luc Brunel 
7 
to the airport? 
8 
A. 
No. 
9 
Q. 
All right. Did Igor? 
10 
A. 
11 
Q. 
. And do you know where he 
12 
was flying to? 
13 
A. 
No. 
14 
Q. 
You don't know where he came from or where 
15 
he was flying to? 
16 
A. 
Right. 
17 
Q. 
Right. And as of right now you have no 
18 
knowledge as to where he primarily resides, whether 
19 
that -- I know you said that he spends some time in 
20 
Miami, but whether he primarily resides in Miami or 
21 
New York or Antartica, you have no idea? 
22 
A. 
No. 
23 
Q. 
Okay. Other than last week, when was the 
24 
last time that you saw this gentleman Jean Luc 
25 
Brunel at Jeffrey Epstein's house? 
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A. 
He was here -- I don't remember exactly, maybe 
2 
like a month, two months ago. 
3 
Q. 
So, it's February 16th, right now. Do you 
4 
think that it was sometime in January of 2010? 
5 
A. 
Could be. 
6 
Q. 
All right. And would this be at the 
7 
beginning of January, the middle or the end of 
8 
January 2010, if you remember? 
9 
A. 
No, I don't remember. 
10 
Q. 
And did you pick him up from the airport 
11 
on that occasion? 
12 
A. 
Yes, I think so. 
13 
Q. 
All right. And what airport was that? 
14 
A. 
I think it was Palm Beach Airport. 
15 
Q. 
Do you know where he flew into that time? 
16 
A. 
No. 
17 
Q. 
And did he fly a private jet or a 
18 
commercial airline? 
19 
A. 
Commercial. 
20 
Q. 
Does he always fly commercial when he 
21 
comes into town? 
22 
A. 
Yes, most of the time. 
23 
Q. 
Have you ever known him to fly on one of 
24 
Jeffrey Epstein's airplanes? 
25 
A. 
I think on one occasion he went with him to 
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New York. 
2 
Q. 
Okay. And is it your understanding that 
3 
the modeling agency that he is associated with is a 
4 
modeling agency based out of New York? 
5 
A. 
I don't know. New York or Miami. I'm not 
6 
sure. 
7 
Q. 
Okay. Well, MC Squared is a modeling 
8 
agency that has an office in New York and Miami. 
9 
A. 
Oh, oh. 
10 
Q. 
Is that something that you know is 
11 
consistent with your observation and your knowledge? 
12 
A. 
No. 
13 
Q. 
You don't know? 
14 
A. 
No, I don't know. 
15 
Q. 
You say New York or Miami because those 
16 
are the only two cities that you associate Jean Luc 
17 
Brunel with in terms of what you know? 
18 
A. 
Yes. 
19 
Q. 
How do you know that he spends a 
20 
considerable amount of time in Miami? 
21 
A. 
I have no idea. 
22 
Q. 
Just from word around the house or 
23 
something? I mean, you had to know that from 
24 
something, right? 
25 
A. 
No. On one occasion I know that he was going 
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2 
3 
4 
5 
to Miami. 
Q. 
Okay. 
A. 
But how long he stay in Miami, how long he 
stays outside of Miami, I have no idea. 
Q• 
And when was that occasion where you know 
6 
that Jean Luc Brunel was in Miami or spending time 
7 
in Miami? 
8 
A. 
I think at one point I drove him to Miami. 
9 
Q. 
And when was that? 
10 
A. 
I think the time he was here in this month of 
11 
January. I think I drove him back to Miami from, from 
12 
the Palm Beach, Palm Beach house. 
13 
Q. 
Okay. So, that time in January he flies 
14 
into the Palm Beach airport from some undisclosed or 
15 
unknown location, you take him to the Palm Beach 
16 
house, right? 
17 
A. 
Right. 
18 
Q. 
How long does he stay on that occasion? 
19 
A. 
Maybe three days. 
20 
Q. 
And during that three-day period were any 
21 
other -- did any females accompany him to the Palm 
22 
Beach house? 
23 
A. 
No. I don't remember. I don't recall. 
24 
Q. 
Well, maybe this will jog your memory: 
25 
When you drove him to Miami, did you drive him 
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alone --
2 
A. 
Yes. 
3 
Q. 
-- or did you drive him with somebody 
4 
else? 
5 
A. 
Alone. 
6 
Q. 
Okay. And where did you take him to in 
7 
Miami? 
8 
A. 
I don't know. He left -- he told me his car, 
9 
one of his friends somewhere in Miami Beach, so I 
10 
dropped him over there and he pick up his car over 
11 
there. 
12 
Q. 
And who is his friend, do you know? 
13 
A. 
I don't know. 
14 
Q. 
So, his car was in Miami? 
15 
A. 
Yes. 
16 
Q. 
What kind of car was that? 
17 
A. 
Mercedes. 
18 
Q. 
All right. And do you remember where it 
19 
was in Miami that his car was parked? 
20 
A. 
Some -- I don't remember the others, but 
21 
somewhere in Miami Beach. 
22 
Q. 
All right. At a condo, at an apartment, 
23 
on the side of the road, a house? 
24 
A. 
No. It was a private house. 
25 
Q. 
A private house on Miami Beach. Do you 
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know the name of the person that lived at that 
2 
house? 
3 
A. 
No. 
4 
Q. 
All right. In talking about this person 
5 
Jean Luc Brunel, would -- you said he came here last 
6 
week. He came here in January. Stayed three or 
7 
four days each time, two consecutive months. Since 
8 
Mr. Epstein has been out on house arrest is Jean Luc 
9 
Brunel one of the people that visits on a monthly 
10 
basis? 
11 
A. 
No. 
12 
Q. 
Okay. 
13 
A. 
There was no regular visit. It's just 
14 
occasionally I would say. 
15 
Q. 
Okay. So, prior to the January visit, 
16 
when is the previous time that Jean Luc Brunel was 
17 
at Mr. Epstein's house? 
18 
A. 
I don't remember. I don't remember. 
19 
Q. 
Is he one of the people who frequently 
20 
calls Mr. Epstein? 
21 
A. 
Yes. 
22 
Q. 
And Mr. Epstein frequently calls him? 
23 
A. 
I don't know. 
24 
Q. 
Okay. Well, I guess you would only know 
25 
the calls that come in and you take messages, right? 
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A. 
Right. 
2 
Q. 
How times would you estimate -- I know you 
3 
told us two times in 2010. Let me ask it this way: 
4 
In 2010 were there only those two occasions where 
5 
6 
Mr. Brunel was staying at Mr. Epstein's house in 
Palm Beach? 
7 
A. 
Yes, as far as I remember. 
8 
Q. 
Okay. How many occasions, in addition to 
9 
those two, would you estimate that Mr. Brunel has 
10 
stayed at the Palm Beach house since Mr. Epstein has 
11 
been out on house arrest and also staying at that 
12 
house? 
13 
A. 
It's hard to tell. I would say maybe three 
14 
times. 
15 
Q. 
Three times in addition to the two times 
16 
this year, five times total? 
17 
A. 
No, three times total. 
18 
Q. 
Okay. So, one time this month, one time 
19 
last month, and then for the period of time from --
20 
I don't remember when he was on house arrest, maybe 
21 
July. So from July to December you think that there 
22 
was only one other occasion when Mr. Brunel was at 
23 
the house? 
24 
A. 
You know, it's hard to remember but I think 
25 
so. He was maybe totally three times for the last few 
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months. I don't really recall how many times. 
2 
Q. 
Okay. Did Mr. Brunel ever stay at the 
3 
Palm Beach house while Mr. Epstein was in jail? 
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A. 
No. 
5 
Q. 
Did anybody stay at the house while 
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Mr. Epstein was in jail? 
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A. 
No. 
8 
Q. 
Including 
or 
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A. 
I mean, when he was in jail, the house wasn't 
10 
finished completely yet. So, there was no visitors. 
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The house was finished before he got released. So I, I 
12 
don't think, I don't recall that anybody was -- it was 
13 
impossible to have somebody, you know, stay in the 
14 
house. 
15 
Q. 
Do you know when Mr. Brunel is going to 
16 
come back to the Palm Beach house? 
17 
A. 
No. 
18 
Q. 
You haven't been told? 
19 
A. 
No. 
20 
Q. 
All right. We've gone over a lot of 
21 
individuals that come to Mr. Epstein's house at 
22 
various times, and I think you have given me a 
23 
pretty good list. But from the time he was out on 
24 
house arrest, who else that we have not talked about 
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has stayed the night at Mr. Epstein's house? 
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Meaning if Alan Dershowitz stayed there, I want to 
2 
know. If some girls flew in from New York, I want 
3 
to know. And I am just giving you generic examples. 
4 
A. 
As far as I recall it was -- one girl, her 
5 
name was 
6 
Q. 
That's another girl, right? That's a 
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separate girl? 
8 
A. 
Right. And I guess that's it. 
9 
Q. 
Okay. How many times has 
been to 
10 
Mr. Epstein's house since Mr. Epstein has been on 
11 
house arrest? 
12 
A. 
Two or three times. 
13 
Q. 
Do you know where she comes from? 
14 
A. 
No. 
15 
Q. 
Do you pick her up from the airport? 
16 
A. 
Yes. 
17 
Q. 
So, she flies in from out of town? 
18 
A. 
Right. 
19 
Q. 
Your understanding is that it's New York 
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or you really have no idea? 
21 
A. 
No idea. 
22 
Q. 
How about 
23 
A. 
Same things. 
24 
Q. 
Been two or three times, comes from out of 
25 
town, you don't know where she's coming from? 
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A. 
Right. 
2 
Q. 
How old are these people, 
and 
3 
4 
A. 
In their 20's. 
5 
6 
Q. 
And when they come, do they, do either of 
them sleep with Mr. Epstein? 
7 
A. 
No. 
8 
Q. 
Both sleep in different rooms? 
9 
A. 
Right. 
10 
Q. 
Is it your understanding based on your 
11 
observations that either of them are intimately 
12 
involved with Mr. Epstein? 
13 
A. 
No. 
14 
Q. 
No idea? 
15 
A. 
No idea. 
16 
Q. 
Any reason to believe that either of them 
17 
are intimately or romantically involved with 
18 
or 
19 
A. 
No. 
20 
Q. 
Okay. Do you know the purpose for them 
21 
coming in town? 
22 
A. 
No. 
23 
Q. 
Do you know the last name of 
or 
24 
25 
A. 
No. 
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Q. 
All right. And you told me that while he 
2 
was in jail nobody came to the house. So, let's 
3 
back up before that from the search warrant to him 
4 
going to jail, he was not at the house, Jeffrey 
5 
Epstein was not at the house, right? 
6 
A. 
Right. 
7 
Q. 
So, we can back this time table up to you 
8 
beginning to work in February of 2005 through search 
9 
warrant executed on October 20th, 2005, which gives 
10 
us ten or so months there. 
11 
In those ten months, how many times has 
12 
Jean Luc Brunel come to visit? 
13 
A. 
I don't know. Maybe twice, once. He wasn't 
14 
very often visiting him. 
15 
Q. 
You think he what? 
16 
A. 
He wasn't very often visiting him. 
17 
Q. 
Okay. And on those occasions was it 
18 
similar in that he would stay three or four days or 
19 
would he stay longer? 
20 
A. 
No, three or four days no longer. 
21 
Q. 
And even back then in 2005, did you know 
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where he was coming from? 
23 
A. 
No. 
24 
Q. 
And on those occasions prior to the search 
25 
warrant being executed, were females in the house 
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along with Jean Luc Brunel that you remember? 
2 
A. 
Yeah. I think that was -- 
was there. I 
3 
think some other guests too, but I don't remember 
4 
Q. 
What about the --
5 
A. 
-- who was there and how long they were 
6 
staying. 
7 
Q. 
How about the young females that were 
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providing massages, did any of them ever provide a 
9 
massage to Mr. Brunel that you remember? 
10 
A. 
No, I don't remember. 
11 
Q. 
Okay. Is that something that you're 
12 
saying never happened or you just don't remember 
13 
whether it happened or it didn't? 
14 
A. 
I just don't recall, you know, having those 
15 
massage girls coming and having him being in the house. 
16 
Q. 
Okay. Well, we have gone, kind of gone 
17 
through the frequency with which these girls came. 
18 
And at least in terms of Mr. Epstein being at the 
19 
house, if he was there for four days then they would 
20 
come three days or relatively that's the ratio we've 
21 
talked about. 
22 
So, if Mr. Brunel was there for a period 
23 
of four days straight, you know, just given 
24 
Mr. Epstein's massage schedule, so to speak, does 
25 
that help to remind you or refresh your recollection 
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