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(Witness enters the Grand Jury Room.) 
THE FOREPERSON: You do solemnly swear 
that the testimony you give will be the 
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truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the 
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truth, so help you God? 
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THE WITNESS: 
I do. 
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THE FOREPERSON: Thank you. Please be 
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seated. 
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EXAMINATION 
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Special Agent 
, do you have a 
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13 their new and old Jane Doe Numbers? 
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Yes, I do. 
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Shall we pass it out to 
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the grand jury, please. 
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BY 
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Q 
We are going to start today with Jane 
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Doe Number 14. The Overt Acts related to Jane Doe 
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Number 14 begin on Page 22 of the proposed 
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indictment. 
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Special Agent 
, can you 
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Jane Doe Number 14 is a white female 
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named 
She was born in 
She 
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attende 
High School. 
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And have you testified about her 
previously? 
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Yes, I have. 
Q 
Is there anything that you want to 
clarify or add regarding your earlier testimony? 
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No. 
Q 
Can you remind the grand jury of the 
period of time that Jane Doe Number 14 had contact 
with Jeffrey Epstein? 
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She went to Mr. Epstein's house during 
November 2004 through March 2005. 
Q 
And how old was she during that time 
frame? 
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Seventeen. 
Q 
Please summarize the sexual activity 
that Jane Doe Number 14 was involved with, with 
Jeffrey Epstein. 
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Jane Doe Number 14 was asked by Mr. 
Epstein to pinch and rub his nipples. Mr. Epstein 
masturbated in Jane Doe Number 14's presence. 
Jane Doe Number 14 had a massager slash vibrator 
used on 
by Mr. Epstein. 
Mr. Epstein 
Jane 
Doe Number 14's 
He performed oral sex on 
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Jane Doe Number 14. 
He also had sexual 
intercourse with Jane Doe Number 14. 
Q 
And can you just tell us briefly what 
Jeffrey Epstein's knowledge was of Jane Doe Number 
14's age? 
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Jane Doe Number 14, during the times 
that she provided the massages, on one of those 
occasions she was asked her age and she told him 
that she was 18. 
On a later visit, they were talking 
about Jane Doe Number 14's upcoming birthday and 
Mr. Epstein inquired about her 18th birthday, and 
Jane Doe Number 14 acknowledged that that would be 
her upcoming birthday. 
Epstein actually called her on that and 
said: So you are not really 18 yet? 
And they 
both kind of laughed about it. And so he knew 
that Jane Doe Number 14 was having her upcoming 
birthday. 
Q 
Does your prior testimony and your 
testimony today cover the evidence supporting the 
allegations in Overt Acts 112 through 131? 
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Yes. 
A review of the phone calls 
indicate telephonic contact between 
and Jane Doe Number 14 as well as 
and 
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Jane Doe Number 14. 
A review of the carbon copy message pads 
recovered during the execution of the state search 
warrant revealed messages between Jane Doe Number 
14 and Jeffrey Epstein's Palm Beach residence. 
I have one of those here and I will read 
it for the record, which is specifically Overt Act 
126. 
It's a message for 
on January 26, 
2005, at 1 :30 p.m. It's from 
It says, you know the number, in 
parentheses. And then it says, she is confirming 
for 5:30 p.m. 
And it was taken by one of Mr. 
Epstein's house managers. 
We also have the statement of Jane Doe 
Number 14, which as I summarized before the 
discussion of the age, and we also have supporting 
documentation to corroborate the statement such as 
petty cash receipts from one of the house managers 
where he is documented paying Jane Doe Number 14, 
as well as a Western Union transaction that 
occurred at Christmas where Mr. Epstein provided 
Jane Doe Number 14 with $200 as a Christmas 
present. 
Q 
All right. Referring to Count Eight, 
which is -- is the testimony that you summarized 
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the basis for the allegation that Jeffrey Epstein, 
, and 
procured Jane Doe 
Number 14 to engage in commercial sex acts knowing 
that she was under 18? 
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Yes. 
Q 
And referring to Count 19 is the 
evidence you just summarized the basis for the 
allegation that Jeffrey Epstein, 
, and 
used a facility in interstate 
commerce to persuade, induce, and entice Jane Doe 
Number 14 to engage in prostitution and in a 
sexual activity for which a person can be charged 
with an offense? 
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Yes. 
Q 
How many telephone calls have you been 
able to document between John Doe Number 14 and 
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We have approximately 70 phone calls 
between 
and Jane Doe Number 14. 
Q 
And what about with 
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Approximately seven. 
Q 
And because this is a little bit 
different than some of the other charges in 
addition to alleging procurement to engage in 
prostitution as well as an allegation of procuring 
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to engage in sexual activity for which a person 
can be charged with a criminal offense, what is 
that particular sexual activity that she and 
Jeffrey Epstein engaged in that also violates 
Florida state law? 
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Sexual intercourse. 
Q 
Now if you could turn to Jane Doe Number 
15. Can you tell the grand jury who she is? 
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Jane Doe Number 15 is a white female
named 
She was born 
She 
attended 
igh School. 
I have 
testified about her previously. 
Q 
Is there anything that you want to 
clarify or add regarding your previous testimony? 
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No. 
Q 
Please remind the grand jury during what 
period did Jane Doe Number 15 have contact with 
Jeffrey Epstein. 
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We have telephonic contact between 
and Jane Doe Number 15 starting on December 
of 2004 through October of 2005. 
We believe 
through statements that she went to Jeffrey 
Epstein's residence earlier than that. 
She stopped for a time period and then 
returned and that's when we have the phone calls 
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starting up. 
Q 
Now during this period of the phone 
calls, how old was Jane Doe Number 15? 
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She was 17. 
Q 
All right. 
Up until her birthday, 
correct? 
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Yes. 
Q 
Did the phone contact continue after she 
turned 18? 
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Yes. As I mentioned, the phone calls 
continued to October of 2005 and she turned 18 in 
June. 
Q 
Please summarize the sexual activity 
that she was involved with, with Jeffrey Epstein. 
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Epstein requested Jane Doe Number 15 to 
pinch his nipples. Mr. Epstein would fondle and 
pinch Jane Doe Number 15's nipples. 
Mr. Epstein 
also engaged in masturbation in front of Jane Doe 
Number 15. 
Mr. Epstein used a massager slash 
vibrator on Jane Doe Number 15's 
Epstein also 
15's 
and Mr. 
Jane Doe Number 
Q 
Does your prior testimony and your 
testimony here today cover the evidence and the 
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allegations in Overt Acts 132 to 148 and Overt Act 
175? 
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Yes. 
A review of the phone records 
indicate telephonic contact between 
and Jane Doe Number 15 as well as 
and 
Jane Doe Number 15. 
We also have the review of the carbon 
copy message pads that were recovered in the state 
search warrant, in the execution of the state 
search warrant, which revealed the message from 
to Epstein, and I have that. 
Specifically Overt Act 175, and it's for 
Jeffrey Epstein. The date is October 1 , 2005, at 
9:50 a.m. The message is from 
and the 
message reads, 
7onfirmed at 11 :00 a.m. and 
at 4 p.m. And is it signed by one of Mr. 
Epstein's house managers. 
We also have reviewed the evidence which 
was obtained in a trash pull that was conducted at 
Mr. Epstein's residence by the Palm Beach Police 
Department in April of 2005 where a piece of paper 
was recovered in the trash, which is Overt Act 
147. 
It reads, 10:30, 
Friday around 2:00. 
And then there's a 3 
on 
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underneath it on Mr. Epstein's stationery. 
We 
have the statements from Jane Doe Number 15 as 
well as other witnesses. 
Q 
Now with respect to Mr. Epstein's 
knowledge of Jane Doe Number 15's age, have you 
testified about that previously? 
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Yes, I have. 
Q 
And let me hand you two transcripts. 
One is of your testimony on March 20, 2007, and 
the second is May 15, 2007. 
If you would just 
read those for the grand jury. 
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The first one from Tuesday, March 20, 
2007, on page 17, starting on line 4. 
(Thereupon, the testimony of SPECIAL 
AGENT 
taken on 
Tuesday, March 20, 2007, before Grand Jury 
07-103 was read into the record as follows:) 
Question. Okay. 
And what did she say 
were some of the topics of discussion? 
Answer. Mr. Epstein asked her questions 
about herself, asked her if she was a soccer 
player or that -- Jeffrey knew that she was a 
soccer player and asked questions about her 
college, about where she was going to school. 
is currently going to Lynn 
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University, and she had advised Mr. Epstein 
that she would be attending college at Lynn 
University. 
Question: So that was a -- but that was 
her future plan? 
Answer. Yes. 
Question. So in other words, did Mr. 
Epstein know 
the time? 
Answer. 
Beach Police asked 
her age and 
that she was in high school at 
Yes, he did. And the Palm 
if Jeffrey knew 
told the Palm Beach 
Police Department, he didn't care what my age 
was. 
(Thereupon, the reading of the 
transcript concluded.) 
THE WITNESS: Testimony from Tuesday, 
May 15, 2007, page 4, line 19. 
(Thereupon, the testimony of 
taken on Tuesday, May 15, 2007, 
before Grand Jury 07-103 was read into th' 
record as follows:) 
Question. And just briefly can you 
remind the grand jury, did 
Mr. Epstein her age? 
ever tell 
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Answer. No, they did not ever 
discuss -- she did not tell him how old she 
was, but she did tell him where she planned 
on going to school and that she was in 
soccer. 
She stated that when it came to her age 
that Mr. Epstein didn't care 
As I mentioned 
earlier, 
and 
(Thereupon, the reading of the 
transcript was interrupted.) 
THE WITNESS: Which is old Jane Doe 
Number Four, and that is not in here. 
Starting at line 24 
(Thereupon, the reading of the 
transcript continued.) 
Answer. She stated that when it came to 
her age that Mr. Epstein 
mentioned earlier, 
very good friends and ■ 
about 
and Mr. Epstein would ask 
when 
didn't care. 
As I 
were 
would talk about 
questions 
was providing 
massages, and as we will talk about when we 
talk about Jane Doe Number Four, which is 
she told Mr. Epstein that she was a 
junior in high school and that 
and 
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her were in the same classes together and 
that they were very good friends. 
And 
told us that at one point 
had come to her because she had slipped 
about prom, and she was worried because 
Epstein was supposed to think she was 18 and 
she had talked about the prom, an 
said she never heard anything else about it 
and they never brought it up. 
Question. Because according to 
Mr. Epstein didn't care really how old the 
girls were? 
Answer. Exactly. 
Question. And she never mentioned he 
asked her for her age or asked for any form 
of identification to show whether she was or 
was not over 18? 
Answer. No. 
(Thereupon, the reading of the 
transcript concluded.) 
Q 
Referring to Count Number Nine is the 
evidence you just summarized the basis for the 
allegation that Jeffrey Epstein, 
, and 
procured Jane Doe Number 15 to engage 
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in commercial sex acts knowing that she was under 
Q 
And if I could refer you to Count 20. 
Is the evidence you just summarized the basis for 
the allegation that Jeffrey Epstein, 
and 
used a facility of interstate 
commerce to persuade, induce, and entice Jane Doe 
Number 15 to engage in prostitution? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
How many telephone calls have you been 
able to document between Jane Doe Number 15 and 
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We have over 125 phone calls between 
and Jane Doe Number 15. 
Q 
And how many telephone calls between 
Jane Doe Number 15 and 
Ross? 
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Twenty-five approximately. 
Q 
Now if we could turn to Jane Doe Number 
16 and could you remind the grand jury who Jane 
Doe Number 16 is? 
A 
Jane Doe Number 16 is a white female 
named 
She was born in 
and 
she attended 
High School. 
Q 
Have you testified about her before? 
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Yes. 
Q 
Is there anything that you want to 
clarify or add regarding your earlier testimony? 
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No. 
Q 
Please remind the grand jury of the 
period of time during which Jane Doe Number 16 was 
involved with, with Jeffrey Epstein? 
A 
Jane Doe Number 16, we have telephonic 
phone calls beginning February of 2005 through 
October of 2005. 
Q 
And how old was Jane Doe Number 16 
during that period? 
A 
She was 17. 
Q 
Please summarize the sexual activity 
that Jane Doe Number 16 was involved with, with 
Jeffrey 
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Epstein. 
Jane Doe Number 16, Mr. Epstein 
masturbated in front of Jane Doe Number 16. 
Mr. 
Epstein used a massager slash vibrator on Jane Doe 
Number 16's 
Mr. Epstein had Jane Doe Number 16 watch 
as Epstein engaged in 
, which Mr. 
and 
and buttocks in front 
sexual activity with 
Epstein also had 
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ondle each other breasts 
from Mr. Epstein. 
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Mr. Epstein had sexual intercourse with 
Jane Doe Number 16 for which Mr. Epstein offered 
and paid Jane Doe Number 16 more money which was 
300 to $350. 
Q 
Did Jane Doe Number 16 recruit anyone to 
go to Jeffrey Epstein's home? 
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She did. Jane Doe Number 16 took a 
white female by the name of 
who was over 
the age of 18. 
She also brought Jane Doe Number 
17. 
Q 
And before we get to that, can you 
remind the grand jury who recruited Jane Doe 
Number 16 to go to Jeffrey Epstein's house? 
A 
Jane Doe Number 16 -- if you can hold on 
one second -- was recruited by Jane Doe Number 
Nine. 
Q 
And the last time we were here, you 
testified about Jane Doe Number Nine? 
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Yes, I did. 
Q 
And you testified Overt Act Number 90, 
which was a payment that Jeffrey Epstein made to 
Jane Doe Number Nine for recruiting Jane Doe 
Number 16 to his home? 
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Yes. 
Q 
Now you mentioned that Jane Doe Number 
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16 also recruited someone who you referred to as 
Jane Doe Number 17. Can you tell the grand jury 
who that is? 
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Jane 
the name of 
she attended 
Q 
Have 
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No. 
Q 
Has she been interviewed? 
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Yes. 
Q 
During what period of time did Jane Doe 
Number 17 have contact with Jeffrey Epstein? 
A 
Jane Doe Number 17 began her contact in 
February of 2005 and went to Mr. Epstein's house 
on two occasions. 
Q 
How old was she during that time frame? 
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Sixteen. 
Q 
And how did she meet Jeffrey Epstein? 
A 
Jane Doe Number 16 brought Jane Doe 
Number 17 to Mr. Epstein's residence. They went, 
as I mentioned earlier, only twice did Jane Doe 
Number 17 go. Jane Doe Number 16 went much more 
than that. 
Doe Number 17 is a white female by 
She was born in 
and 
High School. 
you testified about her previously? 
But Jane Doe Number 17 was taken there 
twice by Jane Doe Number 16. 
Jane Doe Number 16 
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and Jane Doe Number 17 performed a massage 
together wearing only their underwear. 
After a while during the massage, Mr. 
Epstein requested that Jane Doe Number 16 wait 
downstairs. Jane Doe Number 16 got dressed and 
left. Jane Doe Number 17 continued the massage. 
Mr. Epstein began to masturbate. 
Mr. 
Epstein paid Jane Doe Number 17, $200. Jane Doe 
Number 17 stated that Jane Doe Number 16 had also 
received money for that day. Jane Doe Number 17 
went back to Mr. Epstein's house approximately a 
month later. 
This time Mr. Epstein requested that 
Jane Doe Number 17 perform the massage completely 
nude. 
He used a vibrator on Jane Doe Number 17's 
vagina and masturbated until he ejaculated and 
then the massage was over. 
Q 
How much was Jane Doe Number 17 paid? 
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She was paid $200. 
Q 
And you mentioned that she was 16 during 
the time of these massages? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
Did Jane Doe Number 17 recruit anyone to 
go to Jeffrey Epstein's house? 
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No. 
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Q 
Does your prior testimony and the 
testimony here today cover the evidence supporting 
the allegations in Overt Acts 90 and 149 through 
181? 
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Yes. 
A review of the phone records 
indicate telephonic contact between 
and Jane Doe Number 16, which also includes 
multiple text messages from 
to Jane 
Doe Number 16. 
and Jane Doe Number 16 and 
also telephonic contact between 
and Jane Doe Number 16. 
Regarding Jane Doe Number 
17, we have telephonic contact between 
and Jane Doe Number 16 and Jeffrey 
Epstein's residence and Jane Doe Number 16. 
Followed by telephonic contact between Jane Doe 
Number 16 and Jane Doe Number 17. 
Q 
Let me interrupt you just a second, 
Special Agent 
So in other words, 
because Jane Doe Number 16 is the person who 
brought Jane Doe Number 17 those two times where 
the records show contact from someone from 
Epstein's group to Jane Doe Number 16 immediately 
followed by a phone call to Jane Doe Number 17? 
A 
Yes. 
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Okay. Sorry. Please continue. 
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We also have carbon copy messages. 
message pad. 
It was recovered during the 
execution of a state search warrant which 
indicates contact between Jane Doe Number 16 and 
Epstein's employee. 
Specifically Overt Act 175 and Overt Act 
178, and I will get those and read those. Overt 
Act 175 is what I read previously regarding Jane 
Doe Number 15, but I will read it again. 
It is for Jeffrey Epstein, dated October 
1st, 2005, at 9:50 a.m. The message is from 
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confirmed at 1 1 
a.m. and 
4 p.m. It's signed by a house 
manager of Mr. Epstein's. 
Overt Act 178 is a message for Jeffrey 
Epstein, dated 10-2-2005. The time is 9:05 p.m. 
I'm sorry. Strike that. 
It's a message for Jeffrey Epstein, 
dated October 3rd, 2005, at 4:10 p.m. The 
message is for 
and the message is, 
will be a half hour late. It's signed by Mr. 
Epstein's house manager. 
Q 
Is it for 
or it's from 
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It is taken by Mr. Epstein's house 
manager, 
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The "For" line is addressed to 
Jeffrey Epstein and then the "M" line says 
called and left that message 
for Jeffrey Epstein? 
A 
Calling 
Q 
Right. Referring to Count Ten, does the 
evidence that you just summarized the basis for 
the allegation that Jeffrey Epstein, 
, and 
procured Jane 
Doe Number 16 to engage in commercial sex acts 
knowing that she was under 18? 
A 
Yes. The only other thing I'd like to 
say is that we did obtain through the trash pull 
that the Palm Beach Police Department conducted in 
April of 2005, there was a computer printout of 
messages for Mr. Epstein which showed us a message 
from 
which read, 
can work tomorrow at 
4 p.m. This is listed as Overt Act 162, and then 
we also have the statements of both Jane Doe 
Numbers 16 and 17. 
Q 
Can you remind the grand jury about how 
Jeffrey Epstein knew Jane Doe Number 16's age and 
whether he did anything in recognition of her age? 
A 
Jane Doe Number 16 told Jeffrey Epstein 
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