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Mr. Epstein's residence, that 
did tell her that she 
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may be asked to take off her clothes. She also did state 
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that 
told her she could stay in her bra. 
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So I wanted you to know that there was a 
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discrepancy in what she originally had told detective 
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Pagan and what she told me last night. That would be one. 
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The second discrepancy I wanted to touch on with 
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her was going upstairs and taking off her clothing. When 
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she is in that room, she states to detective 
that 
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asked her to remove her clothing, and she took off 
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her shirt. Then Mr. Epstein came in the room, shook her 
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hand and told her to take off her clothes. He leaves, he 
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comes back in a towel. He tells her again. IIIII[ells 
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detective 
in a stern voice, *Mr. Epstein told me to 
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take off my pants.• Because she hadn't taken off her 
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pants from the first time that she met him. 
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In her testimony with the grand jury with the 
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state, she tells the grand jury that it was 
who 
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asked her to remove her clothing. So last night we went 
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over with her who told her to remove what. She had a very 
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hard time recalling exactly. She knew she had gotten down 
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to her bra and underwear. And then at some point, when 
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we're going through the sexual activity, she actually 
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tells me that her underwear was off when he was using the 
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vibrator and 
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we have in her testimony to the grand jury and her 
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statements made to detective 
And she really is 
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having a difficult time trying to remember who told her to 
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that it was Mr. Epstein who told her to take off her 
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detective, when she gives her first statement. She tells 
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she doesn't get fully undressed. And when Jeffrey comes 
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back, he said, "Take your pants off."? 
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Yes. And again, like I said, when we started 
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interviewing her and asking her about this, she did have a 
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her pants. 
take off her clothes and her pants. As we are walking 
through. the sexual activity, she does recall and states 
I guess I'll go to the third discrepancy. Is 
there anything I left off with that? 
Q 
Well, does she report that when the assistant 
leads -- or the blonde lady leads her upstairs, that the 
blonde lady also said, "Get undressed," but that 
didn't get fully undressed? 
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That's what she said in her statement to the 
us again last night that that's what she recalled. 
Q 
That the lady said first, "Get undressed," but 
Later in the interview, we tell her about what 
hard time. But when we were walking through the sexual 
activity, that's when she recalls who told her to take off 
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And I'll tell you, when we talked about the 
sexual activity, and it comes out that she wasn't wearing 
her underwear when he was 
her and 
using the vibrator, she does not recall how they came off. 
She cannot remember removing her underwear. She doesn't 
remember if Mr. Epstein removed her underwear. She knows 
her underwear was off, but she cannot tell you exactly at 
what point her underwear was removed. 
Q 
Let's talk about the third discrepancy. 
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The third is the sexual activity, when she was 
originally interviewed by detective Pagan about the 
vibrator or being 
Pagan comes 
tell her at 
When detective 
and sees her again a few weeks later, she does 
that time that a vibrator was used on her. 
She also says that to the grand jury, she talks about the 
purple vibrator being used on her. 
Last night she told us about the purple vibrator 
being used on her. When we asked her about him 
her, and that 
had told the police 
department that she had beel 
told us last 
night that she 
by Mr. Epstein, but that she 
thought only her and 
knew about this and that she 
did not want her father to know that hE 
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want her father to know, that that was her business. That 
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she did not know that 
had told anybody, she thought 
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about this. 
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We explained to her that the FBI's reporting is 
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a little bit different than the way the state -- those are 
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it was only her and 
that knew. She was embarrassed 
and didn't want anybody to know that. 
A 
being 
Did she become visually upset? 
Yes, she began crying when we asked her about 
When she realized that we 
knew about that, she became very upset and concerned about 
her father. She mentioned that her father has read a lot 
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of the reports in the State of Florida, and has followed 
the state's case. She was concerned about even telling 
public records, and ours is part of our case file. 
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In addition to the fact that she had these 
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concerns about her father and she was embarrassed, in your 
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experience of interviewing victims of sexual abuse, is it 
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typical for them to not disclose all of the sexual 
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activity? 
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Yes, it's very typical. And young girls, they 
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don't want to talk about it. This is just another case of 
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her not wanting to tell exactly what took place. 
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After that first visit to Mr. Epstein's house, 
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and the interviews with detectiveM 
did detective 
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Pagan ask 
to make what are called controlled calls? 
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Yes. 
Q 
Can you explain to the grand jury what a 
controlled call is? 
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A controlled call is where we actually have a 
listening device, where we have an individual place a call 
to somebody and we are able to record the other person's 
voice and the conversation that takes place between the 
person that we're having make the call and the person that 
they are calling. 
Q 
Who did detective Pagan ask 
to call? 
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was asked to call 
on the phone. 
Q 
And did she do so? 
A 
Yes, she did. 
Q 
Can you tell the grand jury when the calls were? 
A 
I believe the first call was made towards the 
end of March, I believe it was March 30. 
at the 
concerned that 
father had found out somehow 
called 
where 
works. 
was 
and 
that they knew about it. And she refers to him as 
Jeffrey, but Mr. Epstein. 
told her that they did not know about 
Mr. Epstein. Later in the conversation 
tells her 
that Mr. Epstein would like her to come back and work for 
him, and that maybe she could work for him tomorrow. So 
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they agreed that there would be a call between 
tomorrow, that 
will call 
tomorrow. 
Q 
Were there calls also made on March 31 
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There were two calls made on March 31. 
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and 
2006? 
of 
The 
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first one she doesn't connect to 
. The second call 
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that was made a short time later, 
answers the phone. 
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Again, there is a discussion about 
coming to work for 
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Mr. Epstein. 
tells 
-- one of the comments that 
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is made is, "The more you do, the more you make." 
is 
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asking her how much can I make. 
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Again, detective Pagan is there, and 
is 
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asking 
how much can I make. 
is telling 
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that she'll have to ask Mr. Epstein that, that she is 
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going to see Mr. Epstein tomorrow and that she'll.talk to 
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Mr. Epstein. There is conversation about 
and her 
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possibly coming to Mr. Epstein's house. There 
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is some discussion about her coming to work for 
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Mr. Epstein. 
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Q 
Just so it's clear, because there were a lot of 
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shes, 
is telling 
that 
is going to see 
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Epstein the following day? 
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Yes. 
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And that 
is going to set up a schedule 
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with Mr. Epstein for 
and 
to work for him? 
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Yes. 
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On April 1, the following day, did 
make 
calls to 
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From the Palm Beach police department, they were 
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able to take voice mail messages left by 
on 
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phone stating that 
could come and work on Saturday 
around 11:00. 
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Q 
I think you mentioned this last time, but in 
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case you didn't, did the Palm Beach police department do 
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trash pulls at Mr. Epstein's house? 
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Yes, they did. 
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Q 
Was there anything of value related to this 
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series of calls that were recovered? 
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Yes. There was a trash pull done in the 
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beginning of April, and 
paper that on it had 
in the trash 
name, 
there was a piece of 
name, and I 
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believe it was 10:30 listed on the piece of paper. 
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It said 
with 
on Saturday at 10:30? 
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Yes, it did. 
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In addition to the actual recordings of those 
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phone calls and voice mail messages, do you also have 
telephone records from both 
cell phone and 
cell phone that match up? 
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Yes. 
Q 
Just to go back to something that you mentioned. 
Who actually gave the $300 cash to 
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Mr. Epstein. 
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You mentioned a girl named 
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Yes. 
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Was 
also interviewed? 
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Yes, she was. 
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Was she asked about going with 
to take 
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Yes. 
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Was she asked who the youngest-looking girl was? 
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Yes. 
What did she say? 
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She discussed 
looking young in her 
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Those are all of my questions 
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for you now. If you could please step outside, I'll 
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see if the grand jurors have any. 
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(Witness excused, and then returned.) 
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BY MS. VILLAFANA: 
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Q 
we have just a few questions. 
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One relates to the conversation between Mr. Epstein and 
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about his exploits with other girls. Did Mr. Epstein 
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say anything about the age of those girls? 
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He said that -- in particular on one case he 
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talked about a young girl that he was in the back seat 
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with, and her parents were in the front seat. He told 
that they were having sex in the back seat -- were 
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doing sexual things in the back seat while he was carrying 
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on a conversation with the parents in the front seat. I 
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guess they were on their way home from a business party. 
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This was one of the stories that he had talked about. 
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But at no time did he provide any specific ages 
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about any of those girls? 
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No. 
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What was 
age at the time she took 
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to Mr. Epstein's house? 
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She was 18. 
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Did Mr. Epstein ask 
anything about her age? 
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He did. He asked her how old she was, she said 
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she was 18. He asked her what grade she was in, she said 
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she was in the 12th grade. He asked her where she went to 
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school, and she said she went to 
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I know we will be doing a lot more discussion 
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about 
later. But could you tell us briefly how 
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was recruited to go to Mr. Epstein's house? 
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was at the beach, and two individuals 
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approached her about making money and giving a massage to 
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Mr. Epstein. 
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How old was 
when she first went to 
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evidence to suggest that Mr. Epstein knew that 
was 
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under the age of 18? 
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multiple girls that went to Mr. Epstein's house -- the way 
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that having seen 
last night, and now she's 16 -- this 
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was two years ago -- that 
age and behavior -- and 
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again, is that more circumstantial evidence? As far as 
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concrete evidence, no. But just by her appearance and her 
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mannerisms and how I observed her last night at age 16. 
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during her statement, correct? 
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Through phone records, we have contact between 
Thank you. 
Q 
The question was, was there any particular 
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I would say through the interviews of the 
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And that's consistent with what Serena said 
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Yes, it is. 
: Those are all the questions. 
Any other questions? 
JUROR: Did she look 18? 
THE WITNESS: Does 
look 18? Not in my 
opinion, sir. 
All right. Any other questions? 
Okay, thank you, very much. 
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(Witness excused.) 
CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER 
I CERTIFY pages 1 to 28 is a true transcript of 
my shorthand notes of the testimony of 
before the Federal Grand Jury, West Palm 
Beach, Florida, on the 27th day of February, 2007. 
Dated at West Palm Beach, Florida this 18th day 
of March, 2007. 
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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT 
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA 
ORIGINAL 
RE: OPERATION LEAP YEAR 
TESTIMONY 
OF 
SPECIAL AGENT 
Federal Grand Jury 07-103 
Federal Building 
U.S. Courthouse 
West Palm Beach, Florida 
Tuesday, March 20, 2007 
APPEARANCES: 
Assistant united States Attorney 
Foreperson 
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The sworn testimony of SPECIAL AGENT II 
was taken before the Federal 
Grand Jury, West Palm Beach Division, Federal 
Building, U.S. Courthouse, Palm Beach County, 
State of Florida, on Tuesday, March 20, 2007. 
Certified Court 
Reporter and Notary Public, State of Florida, 
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BY 
(Witness enters the Grand Jury Room.) 
THE FOREPERSON: You do solemnly swear 
that the testimony you give will be the 
truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the 
truth, so help you God? 
THE WITNESS: 
I do. 
THE FOREPERSON: Thank you. Please be 
seated. 
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please state and 
EXAMINATION 
could you 
spell your name for the record? 
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It's 
It's 
Now Special Agent 
, last week 
or the 
girls, 
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last time that we met, we discussed 
correct? 
Yes. 
two 
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Who visited Mr. Epstein's home? 
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Yes. 
Q 
And those were 
and 
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Yes. 
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girls? 
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Did you obtain photographs of those 
Yes, I did. 
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And do you know approximately when those 
photographs were taken? 
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They were taken during the same time 
period that we are investigating, '04 and '05. 
There may have been a few in '03, but it was 
within a year's time of six months within the 
activity that we are investigating. 
Q 
All right. Let me show you what has 
been marked as Grand Jury Exhibits 1 and 2, and 
can you tell us what Exhibit 1 is? 
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Exhibit 1 is 
and it's a 
photograph of her with her date of birth listed. 
Q 
And what is Exhibit 2? 
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A photograph of 
with her date 
of birth as well 
BY 
those to the 
Q 
Now the 
had described how 
to Mr. Epstein's 
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Yes. 
Q 
Did 
Epstein house? 
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Yes, she did. 
on it. 
And I will just pass 
grand jury. 
last time that we were 
had brought 
here, you 
home? 
bring other girls to the 
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Yes, she was. 
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And is that the same school that 
went to? 
Yes. 
And was 
ever a student at that 
first of all, did the Palm Beach Police Department 
have a chance to interview 
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Yes, they did. 
Q 
And what about yourself? 
A 
And I did as well. 
Q 
Okay. Tell us, if you will, how 
started going to Mr. Epstein's house? 
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was the one who brought 
to 
Mr. Epstein's house. 
told 
that she 
may have to remove her clothing and that she could 
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makes $200 if she performed a massage for Mr. 
Epstein. 
She also was told by 
that he may 
try to touch you, but if you are uncomfortable, 
just tell him no, and she also said that if 
Epstein asked her age, she was to say she was 18. 
Q 
Now that information that you just 
relayed, who provided that information? 
A 
Q 
And what did 
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I'm sorry. 
provided in the 
interview to me that information. 
Q 
Did 
also admit that she brought 
to Mr. 
home? 
Epstein's 
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Yes. 
Q 
When did this first occur? 
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This occurred in -- we believe the first 
time period was when 
was 16. 
Q 
And is there any telephone records that 
show communications between 
and 
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Q 
'04 when 
and 
Yes. 
And when 
and 
are those phone records? 
Those phone records show up in March of 
would be 16. 
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Let me show what has been marked as 
Grand Jury Exhibit Number 3, and what is Exhibit 
3? 
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This is a 
hoto raph of 
with 
her date of birth, 
Q 
Now you mentioned that in March of 2004 
and April of 2004, there are these records of 
phone calls and did 
say how old she was 
when she first went to Mr. Epstein's house? 
A 
I'm sorry. Did 
say how old she 
was? 
Q 
Did she tell you or the police officers 
how old she was? 
A 
Yes. I'm sorry. 
I thought your 
question was did she tell Mr. Epstein. 
She told me that she was 16 when she 
went to Mr. Epstein's house. 
Q 
Okay. That is consistent with those 
phones calls? 
A 
Yes, it is. 
Q 
Okay. 
Now during her first visit with 
Mr. Epstein, what happened? 
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She went to Mr. Epstein's house. 
took her there. 
told her she didn't have 
her driver's license at that time, which she told 
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her she got her driver's license when she was 17. 
So 
drove her to Mr. Epstein's 
house. She provided Mr. Epstein with a few 
massages. 
She remained clothed both times that 
she gave him a massage. At this time, she kept 
her clothes on. 
I think one time she was wearing shorts 
and a T-shirt, maybe the second time she was 
wearing jeans and a T-shirt. That he constantly 
grabbed and pulled at her during the massage 
trying to draw her closer to him, but at that 
time, you know, there was no sexual activity other 
than the grabbing and pulling. 
There was no sexual activity that took 
place on those first couple of massages, and she 
remained clothed at that time. 
Q 
Now after those first few massages, was 
there a break in time before 
returns to 
the Epstein house? 
A 
told us that she and 
had 
had some kind of a fight or a disagreement, a 
breakup in their relationship, so there was a time 
period where she did not go back to Mr. Epstein's 
house. 
Q 
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when she returned to the Epstein house? 
A 
Yes. We have phone activity between 
of '04. 
and 
beginning in December 
Q 
And 
of '04? 
how old was 
in December 
A 
She had turned 17 at that time. In 
fact, through the course of the phone records 
beginning in December of '04 to October of 2005, 
we have over 150 phone calls between 
and 
, Mr. Epstein's assistant. 
Q 
What did 
tell you about the 
activity that occurred when she started returning 
in late '04? 
A 
When she started giving Mr. Epstein 
massages after that break, the massages became 
much more sexual in nature. Mr. Epstein continued 
to push and there were many times when 
would perform massages completely nude. 
Several times, she would stay in her 
underwear with no bra on, but stated to me that 
many occasions she performed the massages to Mr. 
Epstein in the nude. 
In addition to being unclothed, was 
there other sexual activity? 
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