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Ok we are heading over now 
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Hi 
Not a problem. I will add them to the list. Do you have everyone's titles? 
I will advise the Warden of the request that he accompany us on the tour. 
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questions, thanks. 
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Subject: RE: MCC Visit Thursday 
If it is not too much of an imposition, we ask that all visitors come to our front lobby for screening before 
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As discussed, we would like to see the 2n° floor pscyh observation and suicide watch area; the r floor 
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appreciate if only MCC legal would escort us, and we will not speak to any of the guards present given 
the ongoing investigations. Please give me a call with any questions, and let us know what time and 
where we should go, and if it would be easier for us to enter via the 3'd floor bridge. 
Thanks, 
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Southern District of New York 
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The Daily 202: Ousted Navy secretary warns Trump that`the rule of law is what sets us 
apart from our adversaries' 
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Date 
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Ousted Navy secretary warns Trump that 
`the rule of law is what sets us apart from 
our adversaries' 
Richard V. Spencer visits the Blue Angels at the squadron's hangar in Pensacola, 
Fla., on Nov. 5. He was forced out on Sunday as secretary of the Navy. I
Schunnaker/Navy/EPA-EFE/Rex) 
BYE 
HOHMANN 
with Mariana Alfaro 
THE BIG IDEA: What makes America exceptional isn't any 
arsenal. It's moral authority. 
That's the upshot of Richard V. Spencer's Sunday letter to President 
Trump, acknowledging his "termination" as secretary of the navy. The 
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messy circumstances surrounaing spencer s exit snouia not 
overshadow another damning resignation letter from another Trump 
appointee. 
Spencer explained that he has strived over two-plus years on the job to 
ensure judicial proceedings are "fair, transparent and consistent," from 
ensigns to admirals. "Unfortunately, it has become apparent that in this 
respect, I no longer share the same understanding with the 
Commander in Chief who appointed me, in regards to the key principle 
of good order and discipline," he wrote. "I cannot in good conscience 
obey an order that I believe violates the sacred oath I took in the 
presence of my family, my flag and my faith to support and defend the 
Constitution of the United States." 
His language goes further than Jim Mattis's letter last December when 
he resigned as secretary of defense to protest Trump ordering U.S. 
troops to withdraw from Syria, but there are echoes. Both Spencer and 
Mattis said Trump deserves someone whose views are better aligned 
with his own. 
Spencer was ousted over his efforts to resolve a dispute between 
the White House and Navy commanders who wanted to strip 
Edward Gallagher of the Trident pin that makes him a Navy 
SEAL. Gallagher's was one of three cases in the military justice 
system that Trump intervened in 10 days ago. The chief petty officer 
was accused of committing war crimes during a 2017 deployment in 
Iraq. He was acquitted of murder but convicted in July of posing with 
the corpse of an Islamic State prisoner. Trump reinstated Gallagher's 
rank after he was demoted as part of his punishment. The president 
tweeted on Thursday that he doesn't want Gallagher, who has become 
a cause celebre on Fox News, kicked out of the SEALs. 
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"The rule of law is what sets us apart from our adversaries," 
Spencer told Trump, offering a brief history lesson. "Good order 
and discipline is what has enabled our victory against foreign tyranny 
time and again, from Captain Lawrence's famous order 'Don't Give up 
the Ship,' to the discipline and determination that propelled our flag to 
the highest point on Iwo Jima. The Constitution, and the Uniform Code 
of Military Justice, are the shields that set us apart, and the beacons 
that protect us all." 
-- Disdain for the rule of law has been a recurring feature of 
Trumpism. 
-- Spencer, 65, served in the Marines as an aviator from 1976 to 
1981, separating as a captain, before making a fortune on Wall 
Street. He has been secretary of the Navy since the Senate confirmed 
him in August 2017. In his letter, he praised the troops who will soon 
miss their Thanksgiving dinners at home so that they can continue the 
watch beyond the curve of the horizon. 
"As Secretary of the Navy, one of the most important responsibilities I 
have to our people is to maintain good order and discipline throughout 
the ranks," Spencer wrote. "I regard this as deadly serious business. 
The lives of our Sailors, Marines and civilian teammates quite literally 
depend on the professional execution of our many missions, and they 
also depend on the ongoing faith and support of the people we serve 
and the allies we serve alongside." 
Edward Gallagher and his wife, 
Gallagher, celebrate in July after a military jury 
in San Diego acquitted the Navy SEAL of premeditated murder in the killing of a 
wounded Islamic State captive under his care in Iraq. (Gregory BuIVAP) 
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-- Pentagon spokespeople said Defense Secretary Mark Esper 
asked for Spencer's resignation after losing confidence in him. 
Their explanation is that Esper became "deeply troubled" when he 
discovered Spencer was backchanneling with the White House to offer 
a secret deal in which a review board would decide to let Gallagher 
keep his Trident pin — and affiliation with the SEALs - if Trump didn't 
directly meddle in the official peer-review process, thereby maintaining 
the appearance of independence. 
-- "Spencer had tried to find a compromise," 
Ignatius 
reports in his column, "after Trump tweeted Thursday, 'The Navy will 
NOT be taking away Warfighter and Navy Seal Eddie Gallagher's 
Trident Pin.' Spencer feared that a direct order from Trump to protect 
Gallagher, who is represented by two former partners of Trump's 
personal attorney Rudolph W. Giuliani, would be seen as subverting 
military justice. After that Trump tweet, Spencer cautioned acting 
White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney that he would not overturn 
the planned SEAL peer review of Gallagher without a direct 
presidential order; he privately told associates that if such an order 
came, he might resign rather than carry it out. ... 
"`It was a hold-your-nose solution,' said a source close to 
Spencer about his effort to broker an arrangement that would 
allow Gallagher to retire at the end of November with his former rank, 
an honorable discharge and his Trident pin, as Trump wanted, but 
without direct presidential interference in the SEAL review process. As 
so often happens with attempts to work with Trump's erratic 
demands, this one ended in disaster. 'The president wants you to 
go,' Esper told Spencer on Sunday ... Esper then toed the White 
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"Trump began lobbying Spencer to exempt Gallagher from Navy 
discipline back in March, when he ordered the Navy secretary in an 
early-morning phone call to release Gallagher from the brig and give 
him more comfortable quarters. Presidential pressure has been 
relentless, ever since. ... While Gallagher is celebrated on Fox, current 
and former senior officers of the SEALs and other elite units told me 
this weekend that his case has little support within the community of 
Special Operations forces. One former SEAL commander noted that 
maintaining discipline among these elite units is so important that the 
SEAL peer-review panels have removed more than 150 Trident pins 
since 2011, or more than one a month." 
-- Trump now gets the outcome he wanted: Esper's aides said he 
will let Gallagher keep his Trident pin without even the pretense of a 
review board. And Trump has rid himself of someone he came to 
disregard as disloyal, based on his threat to resign. 
-- Spencer joins a growing list of former Trump appointees who 
have spoken critically, to varying degrees, about the president 
after leaving his employ. This includes, among others, John Bolton, 
Rex Tillerson, John Kelly, Tom Bossert, Fiona Hill and Gary Cohn. 
-- Spencer took the sting out of this punch by vigorously denying 
well-sourced press reports on Saturday that he had threatened to 
resign. In the version of his letter distributed to media outlets last 
night, the date "24 Nov 19" has been scrawled by hand on the top right 
of a letter that was reportedly drafted last week. The denial of accurate 
media accounts muddies the narrative around the secretary's 
departure. 
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-- This appears to be the coda of a contentious chapter in a 
civilian-military relationship that has grown increasingly fraught. 
Trump avoided military service by claiming bone spurs. He has stated 
that avoiding sexually transmitted infections while bedding models in 
New York during the 1970s was "my personal Vietnam." Trump has 
insulted several war heroes, as well as their families, and never 
apologized. 
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-- The top U.S. military officer voiced public support today for 
Esper's decision to allow Gallagher to remain a Navy SEAL and 
to fire Spencer. "As far as I'm concerned, it's case closed now," Gen. 
Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told reporters 
traveling with him in the Middle East, including Missy Ryan. "It's time 
to move on and address the national security of the United States. ... 
Esper made decisions for good reasons that are within his power. I'll 
support the secretary of defense in those decisions." 
-- Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) said he spoke 
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by phone with Spencer on Sunday night: "I told him he's a patriot, 
that he served the Navy and the nation well and he will be missed," 
Schumer said in a statement. "Secretary Spencer did the right thing 
and he should be proud of standing up to President Trump when he 
was wrong, something too many in this administration and the 
Republican Party are scared to do. Good order, discipline, and morale 
among the Armed Services must transcend politics, and Secretary 
Spencer's commitment to these principles will not be forgotten." 
-- Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Jim Inhofe (R-
Okla.) said Trump notified him personally that Spencer was 
being fired. "Both Secretary Esper and President Trump deserve to 
have a leadership team who has their trust and confidence," Inhofe 
said in a statement, adding: "It is no secret that I had my own 
disagreements with Secretary Spencer over the management of 
specific Navy programs." 
-- Other lawmakers offered praise for Spencer: 
-- Trump tweeted that he will nominate Kenneth Braithwaite, a 
retired Navy rear admiral who is currently the ambassador to 
Norway, to be Spencer's replacement. Esper recommended him. 
-- In an interview Sunday morning on "Fox & Friends," Gallagher 
said the Navy was only trying to take his Trident pin away as 
"retaliation" for Trump intervening on his behalf. "They could 
have taken my Trident at any time they wanted," he said on a show the 
president often watches. "Now they're trying to take it after the 
president restored my rank." Speaking of Rear Adm. Collin Green, who 
is in charge of the SEAL program as commander of the Naval Special 
Warfam Cnmmand nallanhAr said. "What the admiral is (-hind is 
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showing complete insubordination." 
-- ■ 
Mabus, who served as Navy secretary under Barack 
Obama, said on MSNBC that he's been stunned that a sailor on 
active duty is going on cable television to criticize his 
commanding officers. "It's so dangerous for good order and 
discipline ... to get this politicized," Mabus said Sunday on MSNBC. 
"You simply cannot have good order and discipline. You simply cannot 
hold people accountable. You simply cannot have the elite fighting 
force if you allow things like this to happen. If you set this sort of 
precedent, then how do you tell the next SEAL that is up on charges 
not to go public, not to try to undermine their superiors, not to try to 
change a military judgment and make it a political one?" 
-- The Post's Editorial Board says Trump's intervention in the 
Gallagher case, including Spencer's ouster, dishonors the troops 
who uphold American values: "Restoring to service someone who 
was turned in by members of his unit who wouldn't tolerate his 
behavior sends precisely the wrong message. ... Most offensive is 
what Mr. Trump's actions say about his view of the military. 'We train 
our boys to be killing machines, then prosecute them when they kill!,' 
he tweeted in October when he announced he would review these 
cases. Perhaps Mr. Trump has watched too many bad war movies, but 
if he were to consult with his military leaders or talk to the many fine 
men and women in uniform, they would tell him they are trained to 
engage in combat while following the laws of war and upholding the 
country's ideals." 
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Parlatore, welcomed last 
night's news and expressed amazement at the turn of 
events that led to Spencer's ouster. "This case is 
bananas," he said. "Yes, you can quote that." (Ashley 
Parker and Dan Lamothe) 
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Lawmakers react after a week of impeachment inquiry hearings 
THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY: 
-- A confidential White House review of Trump's decision to 
place a hold on military aid to Ukraine has turned up hundreds 
of documents that reveal extensive efforts to generate an after-
the-fact justification for the decision and a debate over whether 
the delay was legal, according to three people familiar with the 
records. Josh Dawsey, Carol D. Leonnig and Tom Hamburger scoop: 
"The research by the White House Counsel's Office ... includes early 
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and White House budget officials seeking to provide an explanation for 
withholding the funds after the president had already ordered a hold in 
mid-July on the nearly $400 million in security assistance ... White 
House lawyers are expressing concern that the review has turned up 
some unflattering exchanges and facts that could at a minimum 
embarrass the president. ... 
"In the early August email exchanges, Mulvaney asked acting 
OMB director 
Vought for an update on the legal rationale 
for withholding the aid and how much longer it could be delayed. 
Trump had made the decision the prior month without an assessment 
of the reasoning or legal justification ... Emails show Vought and OMB 
staffers arguing that withholding aid was legal, while officials at the 
National Security Council and State Department protested. OMB 
lawyers said that it was legal to withhold the aid, as long as they 
deemed it a 'temporary' hold ... 
"Mulvaney's request for information came days after the White 
House Counsel's Office was put on notice that an anonymous 
CIA official had made a complaint to the agency's general 
counsel about Trump's July 25 call to [Volodymyr] Zelensky ... This 
official would later file a whistleblower complaint with the intelligence 
community's inspector general ... 
"The document research has only exacerbated growing tension 
between [White House Counsel Pat] Cipollone and Mulvaney and 
their offices, with Cipollone tightly controlling access to his findings, 
and Mulvaney's aides complaining Cipollone isn't briefing other White 
House officials or sharing important material they need to respond to 
public inquiries ... The emails revealed by White House lawyers 
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include some in which Mulvaney urges Vought to immediately tocus on 
Ukraine's aid package, making clear it was a top priority for the 
administration. [Mulvaney's lawyer, 
Driscoll, declined to 
comment.] 
"The legal office launched this fact-finding review of internal 
records in a protective mode, both to determine what the records 
might reveal about internal administration conversations and also to 
help the White House produce a timeline for defending Trump's 
decision and his public comments. Along with examining documents, 
the review has also involved interviewing some key White House 
officials involved in handling Ukraine aid and dealing with complaints 
and concerns in the aftermath of the call between Trump and 
Zelensky. Cipollone's office has focused closely on 
correspondence that could be subject to public records 
requests, those which involve discussions between staff at the White 
House and at other agencies. Internal White House records are not 
subject to federal public records law, but messages that include 
officials at federal agencies are." 
-- Follow the money: Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, the Rudy 
Giuliani associates who have been indicted, tried to recruit a 
Ukrainian energy executive to join them in a proposed takeover 
of the state oil-and-gas company. From the Wall Street Journal: The 
two men described the "company's chief executive and [Marie 
Yovanovitch] as part of 'this Soros cartel' working against [Trump.] 
'You're a Republican, right?' Andrew Favorov, the head of natural gas 
for state-run Naftogaz, recalled the men ... asking him, after their 
reference to investor and Democratic donor George Soros. 'We want 
you to be our guy.' ... Mr. Favorov described the efforts of Messrs. 
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Naftogaz CEO Andriy Kobolyev. Naftogaz is the most important 
company in Ukraine, representing nearly 10% of the country's 
gross domestic product and supplying virtually all of the 
country's natural gas. Mr. Favorov said he was bewildered by 
Messrs. Parnas and Fruman's pitch to stage a takeover of Naftogaz 
and put Mr. Favorov in place as CEO. On one hand, the pair 
appeared to know little about the natural gas business; on the 
other it was clear to him they had significant political connections. 
`They don't teach you how to deal with this in business school,' Mr. 
Favorov said." 
-- So many potential conflicts: Giuliani also discussed 
representing a state-owned Ukrainian bank in a legal dispute 
over the summer, even as he publicly pressed Ukraine on behalf 
of Trump. From Bloomberg News: "Though he ultimately did not take 
on the client, the talks expose his enthusiasm for foreign business and 
his willingness to insert himself in matters rife with potential conflicts. In 
fact, the Ukrainian bank is entangled in a legal dispute with its 
former owner who has ties to Ukraine's president and is the 
subject of a federal investigation in the U.S. ... [Giuliani] said he 
was approached by lawyers for Privatbank seeking to recover assets 
linked to the previous owner. They wanted to know if Giuliani -- who 
had written tweets critical of the man — could assist their civil suit, 
Giuliani confirmed by phone on Thursday." 
-- "What we still don't know about the Ukraine affair," by deputy 
editorial page editor Jackson Diehl: "Let's start with the distinct 
possibility that Trump's demand that [Zelensky] launch politicized 
investigations in exchange for military aid and a White House meeting 
was only the last of a series of auid oro auos he forced on Ukrainians." 
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Giuliani met with Zelensky's predecessor at least twice in 2017 as 
Ukraine's former chief prosecutor Yuri Lutsenko transferred an 
investigation into secret payments to Paul Manafort, effectively 
stalling it, and the U.S. released the sale of Jaevelin missiles to 
Ukraine. "Let's see: a White House meeting and weapons ... for 
favorable actions on an investigation? There's no proof. But no wonder 
Trump complained to Zelensky in their July 25 phone call that `I heard 
you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and 
that's really unfair.' One of Zelensky's first acts had been to fire 
Lutsenko. 
"The prosecutor has also been blamed for Trump's recall of 
[Yovanovitch]. But the full story behind her dismissal is still not 
known. . .. Trump began demanding Yovanovitch's removal a year 
earlier, after meeting with [Parnas and Fruman]. Why did Parnas and 
Fruman want the ambassador out? It's still not clear. ... One person 
who probably could shed light on this is Rick Perry. ... According to 
testimony by U.S. Embassy staffer 
Holmes, Perry used a 
meeting with Zelensky to give him a list of `people he trusts' on 
energy matters. The Times reported that these included a couple 
of Texas businessmen whom Perry wanted appointed to the 
supervisory board of the Ukrainian state gas company. That's the 
same company Parnas and Fruman were trying to deal with. ... We 
may eventually learn more about Ukraine from federal prosecutors in 
New York, who have already indicted Parnas and Fruman and are said 
to be looking at Giuliani. But you have to wonder if Democrats are 
making a mistake by not pursuing these matters themselves." 
-- Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), the ranking member on the House 
Intelligence Committee, said reports that he met with ex-
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