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1 Q. What year was that?
1 2 3 Mr. A Q E . . ps N S t o e o i , , n y t ? h o a u t p w e a rf s o t r h m e e w d h m ol a e s s p a o g i e n s t . o n Mr. Epstein 2 3 4 t m h a e A t r h e . , a a n n I d d d d o I o n a ' m t h k e n n m o o t a g th a n r. g w I t t o a o d s m o b o t y h r o n e u M s I u a E b n M s b s a . o d W w yo h it u e h n c a I n w s a it s
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9 Q. Well, after you had your son, you wouldn't 10 9 the A la . s t I t i d m o e n ' w t k a n s o t t r e a s p w ec e i n f t i , c d d o a t y e o o u r ? the month or
10 have been pregnant, right?
11 A. He didn't want women or girls sorry, he 11 the day, ta 1 don't.
12 didn't want girls that had aldd at all. That was a big 12 An I know my mm w
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1 1 5 6 A Q . . — So i , n i s h i i s t y b o o u o r k . t estimony that while you were 16 not perform any ges during that period?
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1 2 2 9 0 1 Jeff A Q re . . y W D Ep i h d s e t y e n o i n I u ' w s p h a e s o r f u p o s r r e e m g t n o m a p n a e s t r , s f a I o g b r e m r s o u s o e g n x h M u t a g r l i . a r E l c s p t s t s o . t e in while 1 2 2 9 0 1 He T M d H o R e E s L n' U t l T ik Y e gj R r S I s : w N H h o e , o m d h o a e e v a s n e n i h ' n t a g li d k — b e a p b r i e e g s n . ant girls.
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22 you were pregnant? 23 Q. Okay. So period of time over which,
23 A. No.
24 Q. So, do you remember when you got pregnant? 24 according to you, you performed mas&
25 Mr. Epstein was time in late untih
25 A. Yeah.
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1 2 Q A . . W Th h a e t n w w e a s s t ' t hat a xirnate A ly? A .= 1 2 MR. EDW) S: Object to the form.
3 MR. L : Is that right?
3 Q. So that's — 4 THE WTTN ≥: When I performed sexual favors
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5 Q. 6 MR. nv • Massages or whatever you did.
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7 Q. Of whati ?
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10 8 9 say Q A w . . as O th k e a y l . a s S t o ti , m f e r y o o m u w ent to M M , r . a E nd p s w te h in en 's ? d o you 10 9 sum Q m . e T r o he f f . i , r st a t ' rd y i o n u g w to e y n o t u w ; a i s s s th o a m t e r t i i g m ht e ? i n the
11 A. 1 personally lace went there? 1 12 1 A Q . . Y A e n s d . between the summer of II andliall
1 1 2 3 Q A . . Y Ju e s a t h e . v en if I brought a girl? 1 1 4 3 II , A y . o u O c h a , n I 't c t a e n ll dfni o t w el y m t a e n l y l y ti o m u e i s t w yo a u s w ov e e n r t , — right?
1 1 4 5 Q A . . R l b ig r h o t u . g ht, 'brought girls them after I was, 15 1, I personally went vex 50, over 60, over 70 times.
16 after I had my son. So, I was 17 the last time I went 16 Q. Well, whit, is it 50, 60, or 70?
17 A. I would sa 70.
1 17 8 to J Q ef . f re M y' y s q h u o e u s s t e i . o n was when was the last time you 1 1 8 9 Q A . . A Th ll a r t i 's g b h a t. s e A d n o d n w th h e a t g 's i r t l h s a t t h b a a t s 1 e b d r o o u n g ? h t. I
19 went?
20 know that I brought ver 70 girls.
2 2 0 1 A Q. . I W w e a ll s , 1 y 7 o . u 're 17 for 12 months. When was the 23. Q. It's now 70 that you brought. Have you
22 ever—
22 last time you went? 23 A. I have brought many, many, many girls.
23 A. Well,
24 Q. Have you 1...ked at your answers to
24 Q. Of what year? 25 interrogatories to see what you said under oath about
25 A. Whatever year I was 17.
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2 I. the A nu . m W be h r a o t, f a g t i t r h ls e t l h a a s t t y w o h u a b te r v o e u r g i h t t w ? as? What is 1 2 d h o im n' t o k n n t o h w e . n e W w h s e , n y o th u e k d n i o s w cu , s I s h io a n v e c o to m ld e s a u c p o a u n p d le t o h f e y see
3 people. I can't recall their names.
3 4 this Q c . a ll Y ed o ? u r number keeps getting higher as the case 4 Q. You don't know -- I have got.. and your
5 mother. Who else did you tell that you kept a list of
5 goes on, doesn't it?
6 A. Sir, are you talking about the last — what is 6 how many times you went to Mr. Epstein's?
7 it called — deposition that I took for Jeffrey? 7 A. I can't recall. Maybe you can ask
8 Q. No, I am talking about your answers to 8 9 Mr Q . E . ps N te o i , n w . e H 'r e e w ta o lk u i ld n g k a n b o o w u . t the list you said you
9 interrogatories.
10 A. What's my answers — I don't know any of these 10 kept. And my question is --
11 slick words that you guys use as attorneys, so can you 1 12 1 Q A. . O -- h h , o s w or m ry a . ny people you told you kept the list
1 1 1 2 3 4 p u l n e d a Q e s . r e o e T t x h h p e e l r a s a i e n s w t b o o e u m in ld e g b i t n r e u l e t i h . k e e Y t — h o i u n , g y s o t u h a w t o y u o l u d s p ig a n y e a d tt ention 1 1 3 4 o fa f r t h y e o u n u to m ld b e m r o e f . l . im e a s n y d o u y o w u e r n m t o to th M er r . . W Ep h s o te e in ls 's e . ? So
15 to a document if you were siring it under oath, 15 A. I can't recall.
16 wouldn't you, to make sure it was true? 16 Q. You can't recall anybody else?
17 A. Yeah, but if it's in fear for my son, I will 17 A. No, I'm sorry.
18 Q. How about dad? Did you tell dad?
18 do anything I can.
19 Q. Well, while you have been represented by 19 A. No, I didn't tell my father.
20 Mr. Edwards, you haven't had an fear for your son, have Q. How about other friends of yours?
21 A. Yeah, but I can't recall who --
21 you?
22 A. Brad Edwards, no, I have not had any fear of 22 Q. Can't recall anybody?
23 A. Who I mean, it really was like, it was like
2 2 3 4 my Q so . n. S o, anything you have signed since you have 24 irrelevant. You blow, okay, I brought over 60, 70 girls
25 been represented by Mr. Edwards under oath is something 25 there.
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1 Q. What happened to this list that you kept of
1 that you carefully looked at?
2 the number of times that you went to Mr. Epstein's?
2 A. Carefully.
3 A. It's misplaced. I have no idea where it is.
3 Q. And made sure it was true?
4 Q. What do you mean by misplaced?
4 A. Yeah.
5 Q. And you told the whole truth? 5 A. !wish I knew where it was so I could get all
6 A. Whole truth, nothing but the truth. 6 those little girls justice. Sorry. I don't know.
7 Q. Nothing but the truth.
7 Misplaced, do you know the definition of misplaced?
Q. No, but 1 want you to define it What do you
8 A. So help me God.
9 Q. Didn't omit, didn't omit anything, right? 10 9 mea A n . by M m is i p s l p a l c a e c d e , d t ? h at means like, you know, when you
10 A. I didn't leave anything out.
11 Q. Okay. Now, do you have any record of how many 11 lose stuff, like, oh, my God, I accidently lost this
12 paper. You know.
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15 lists of girls and I would just go in order. 15 second list was a list of the names of the people that
16 Q. Have you ever told anybody before today that 16 you took?
17 you ever kept a record of how many times you went to 1 1 7 8 girl A s' . n u N m o b , e i r t s w , a a n s d s p th ec e i r f e i c w a a ll s y m th a e n g y i , r m ls a a n n y d , m th a e n y girls on
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19 A. Yes.
20 Q. So, it was a list of names and phone numbers?
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24 Q. Okay. Who else? 24 A. I took each girl there over that many times,
25 A. T have told. I have told my mother, and I 25 over -- I took each girl either once or twice, or if he
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1 really liked than, I took them three times. But I took She's not as comfortable as others are.
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6 5 t J h e e ff f r i e r y st 's o ; n h e e n up ee a d n s d t o sa s y e , e h a e y n , e d w o v y a o g u i n w a a . nt to go to 6 5 had go M ne R a . n E d D w W as A n' R t c D o S m : fo O r b ta je b c le t ? to the form.
7 Q. The — is that what you told him? You called 7 BY MR. LUTTIER:
8 them and told them, before you took them, do you want to 8 Q. Naha
9 go to Jeffrey's; he needs to see a new vagina? Is that 10 9 A. M N R o . . EDWARDS: Object to the form.
10 what you told them?
11 MR. EDWARDS: Object to form. 11 THE WITNESS: I would say — I would call -- I
12 THE WITNESS: I told them, hey, he wants to 12 knew the girls who were comfortable. And then a
13 see a new face. He doesn't like seeing the same 13 lot of girls weren't comfortable.
14 BY MIL LUTTIER:
14 little girl every day.
15 Q. Well, how did you know who was comfortable?
15 BY MR. LUTITER:
1 1 6 7 a fa Q c . e o W r w el a l n , d te i d d t y o o s u e t e e a ll v th a e g m in a th ? a t he wanted to see 1 1 1 6 7 8 spe A Q ci . . f ic B O al e h l c y , a s t u o o s l , e d s o w y m o h u e e n t o h t f e h t y e h y w e w g er i e r e n l s c t , o c t m a h m e fo y e r w a ta n o b d u l e l t d h w e t i y e t l h l me.
18 A. I said face.
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2 22 1 wha A t . h e I w di a d n n t ' e t d m t i o s s s p e e e a . k T o h r e s y p d o i k d e n a 't t j a u l s l t . g T o h t e h y e r k e n a e n w d 2 22 1 T M H R E . E W D I W TN A E R S D S S : : T O he b y je s c a t i t d o , y th o e u f 'm or o m w --
23 say, hey, I am here, Jeffrey Epstein. They took their 23 BY MR- LUTITER:
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1 that you took there knew exactly what was going to 1 that Jeffrey didn't like seeing the same girl again.
2 Q. Well, wait a minute.
2 occur?
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6 5 7 8 o a w d n f i e f d y r , t e i y h t o i t a n h u n g e k y r . e w n Y , o a t w o h y u s e , y j a d u n w o s d n t e ' s t r t o e o r m e s g c a e e a l t l r o y t e h f n d e t e h m o e e u d m t t h t o o e w f r t e a t a h . l k k e B e e ir d y u m o t o u o u in r n t . d c c . l e S o T t o t h h m h e e e y e s y o f 5 6 8 7 h w e e r r A Q g e . o . c o b O B m a u k c f k t a o y y r a . t o n a u G d b j l r o u e e s w a a t h d a s e a s i a i t t d d h . e t h y a t t o t l h d e y w ou a y th y e o y u w k e n r e e w they
9 them did it, did the action and walked out and said I., 9 comfortable. Is that a true statement?
10 don't ever do this to me again. That was the worst 10 A. They were -- yeah, they were more —
11 thing that ever happened in my life. 11 Q. It is a true statement?
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19 MR. EDWARDS: Object to the form.
19 BY MR. LUTITER:
20 Q. Other than your lawyer, who have you made that 20 MR. LUTTD3R: -- told you they were
21 comfortable.
2 2 2 1 stat A em . e ! n h t a t v o? e made it to many of the girls. All the 22 THE WITNESS: My attorney knows some names.
23 girls who I have brought, I would get on the phone with 23 MR. EDWARDS: Object to the form.
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9 MR. EDWARDS: Object to the form, 9 girl one time, and he was —
10 argumentative. If you want to describe what you 1 1 0 1 M TH R E . L W U I T T T N I E E S R S : : Mo h v a e p — py and fun with it.
1 1 1 2 1 3 me M a T n H R — E . E W D I W TN A E R S D S S : : A - - l o s t a y o f i t t . h ese girls -- 1 1 2 3 resp N o H n L s i L v I e M . W IT o E u R ld : y M ou o v r e e a t d o b st a r c ik k e t h a e s q n u o e t stion that
1 1 4 5 girl T s H , w E e W w I e T re N n E 't S li S k : e L so is c te o n m , f a o ll r t o a f b t l h e e , s li e k l e i , t t y l e e a h, 1 1 4 5 I as A ke n d d h w e o r. u ld you listen carefully and answer my
16 let me go take my clothes off in front of a 16 question, please.
17 50-year-old pervert No, they weren't comfortable. 17 THE WITNESS: You're disgusting.
18 They just dealt with it so they could get $200 in 1 18 9 M TH R E . E W D I W TN A E R S D S S : : Absolutely.
19 their pocket. 20 MR. EDWARDS: Try to answer his question. If
2 2 0 1 BY Q M . R W . L e U ll, T d I i T d E y R o : u — unless I misunderstood what 21 you need to elaborate, you can, but answer the
2 2 2 2 3 4 y to o l u d A s y . a o i u d Y , t o y h u o e y u a r w j e u e s b r t e e g i c n o o g t m d sl o f i o n c r k e t a t r e i b g s l t e h i ? t f y n i o n w g . t h Y at o t u h e k s n e o g w ir w ls h at, 2 2 2 2 3 4 q y u o e u T s h H ti a o E v n e . W — I T d N o E yo S u S : h a I v h e o a p d e a y u o g u h r t d er a ? u g I h f t y e o r u — d I o h - o - pe
25 when I say comfortable, you know 1 am not saying that a 25 MR. LlIffIER: I am not being deposed.
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3 defending later on in life.
4 3 fron Q t . o f W a 5 el 0 l - , y i e n a f r a -o ct l , d y m ou an h . a ve told others 4 MR. LUTTIER: That would be unprofessional for
5 6 spec A if . ic Y al o ly u ' t r h e a a t y g o o u o d w a e t r t e o r c n o e m y, f o I r w ta i b ll l e t e w ll i y th o e u v . erything. 6 5 me T to H r E es W po I n T d N t E o S y S o : u r I r t' e s m u a n r p k r s o . f essional for you to
7 do this —
7 Q. Isn't that right?
8 MR. LUTHER: I don't —
10 8 9 Q A A . . . H Y Sp a o e v u c e 'r i n e f ' i t c a y a j l o o ly u k , e t . o o k ld a y o , t h I e w rs il , l s p te e l c l i y fi o c u a l - l - y -- 10 9 T M H R E . L W U I T T T N I E E S R S : : I — d o a n ct 't u , a I l l d y o , n a ' n t d ta m ke o o ra ff l- e w ns is e e .
11 Q. That you were comfortable -- well, let me 1 12 1 wit T h H an E y t W hi I n T g N y E ou S S sa : y I . know you don't, because you're
12 finish 13 just making money sitting on your ass sticking up
1 1 3 4 A. T - H - E th e C c O o U nv R e T rs R at E io P n O . RTER: One at a time. for, sticking up for a child molester. What a good
15 MI you are.
1 16 5 BY Q M . R O L ne U a T t T a I t E im R: e . You have specifically told 16 (The requested portion of the record was read
17 others that you were comfortable with everything that 17 by the reporter.)
18 happened between you and Jeff Epstein, haven't you? 18 THE WITNESS: Yes.
19 A. I said when I would get on the phone with 1 2 9 0 BY Q M . R H . L ow U T m T a I n E y R p : e ople have you told --
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21 A. I don't know.
2 22 1 Q A. . Y W e h s e o n r I n w o. o uld get on the phone with them- 22 Q. - that you were comfortable? More than ten,
23 isn't it?
23 Q. Yes or no.
24 A. No.
2 24 5 A. M I R w . o L u U ld T s T ay IE , h R e : y M . ove to strike. 25 Q. What did you tell your mother about it?
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1 A. I told her that, actually, I really truthfully 1 Q. Did your mom tell you anything else that she
2 did not tell her anything. She doesn't know anything. 2 told them about your background?
3 I would keep stuff from her. 3 A. Nope.
4 Q. Let me see if I, if I understand your answer. 4 Q. By the way, what's your current relationship
5 Are you telling us that as you sit here today, your 5 with your mom like?
6 mother doesn't know anything about you going to 6 A. It's fine.
7 Mr. Epstein's? 7 Q. When you mean fine, what do you mean?
8 A. Yeah, especially after the fact. After the 8 A. It's positive.
9 fact, she does. 9 Q. Would you characterize it as a good
10 Q. Listen to my question. Are you telling us as 10 relationship?
11 you sit here today that your mother doesn't know 11 A. Yes. Ifs positive.
12 anything about you going to Mr. Epstein's? 12 Q. Okay. Has it always been positive?
13 MR. EDWARDS: Does or doesn't? 13 A. No.
14 MR. LUITIER: Does not know anything about you 14 Q. And when wasn't it positive?
15 going to Mr. Epstein. 15 A. I think we went over this before when I
16 THE WITNESS: Yes, she does. 16 started getting into drugs when 1 was 14 years old.
17 BY MR. LUTHER: 77 Q. And the drugs that you're talking about is
18 Q. As a matter of fact she's told you people have 18 what this gave you when you went to
19 come and talked to her about it, hasn't she? 19 Mr. Epstein's?
20 A. Yeah. This is after the fact, after I haven't 20 A. Yes, and then it escalated.
21 saw just Jeffrey when I was 17. 21 Q. And, andaiarted to take drugs at times
22 Q. And do you recall when your mother first told 22 other than when was taking you to Mr. Epstein's,
23 you that people had come to talk to her about you going 23 correct?
24 to see Jeff Epstein? 24 A. Correct
25 A. Yeah, I remember. She called me July 27th of 25 Q. And describe for us the escalation of your
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1 '09 and said, hey, by the way, a couple of investigators 1 drug use after the first trip that you took to
2 came by my house and asked if she knew anything. 2 Mr. Epstein's.
3 Q. Well, what specifically did she tell you? 3 A. Well, after seeing Jeffrey so many times and
4 A. I just told you. 4 getting on a buzz of a pill, you start getting addicted
5 Q. Just said, just couple investigators came by 5 to that one pill so --
6 and asked what, if she knew anything? 6 Q. These are pills that gave you?
7 A. Yes. 7 A. gave me some pills and then I, and
8 Q. Anything about what? 8 then I got pills from other people.
9 A. About the -- about Jeffrey Epstein. Arc you 9 Q. From who?
10 kidding me? 10 A. Fr. Illpeople on the street.
11 Q. What did you tell her? 11 Q. Like who?
12 A. I said, okay. What did you say. She's like 12 A. Do I know their name? No, I don't.
13 nothing because I don't know. 13 Q. Well, you got them flow friends of yours,
14 Q. And that's, that's all she told you? 14 didn't you?
15 A. Yes. 15 A. No, it was, no, it was not a friend.
16 Q. Did she tell you anything else about what she 16 Q. Where did you go to get these pills?
17 told the people that came by to see her? 17 A. On the street.
18 A. No. 18 . Where on the street? Did you drive down
19 Q. Did she tell you anything about what she told 19 and buy them or where did you go?
20 them about you and her relationship? 20 A. Something like that.
21 A. No. Well, she said, actually she said I told 21 Q. Is that where vou want?
22 them that we don't really talk. 22 A. No, not
23 Q. That is your mom told you that she had told 23 Q. Okay. And how were you getting to the street
24 these investigators that you and she don't talk? 24 where you were buying these pills?
25 A. Yes. 25 A. Walking.
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1 Q. So, you would walk where to buy pills? A. No.
2 Q. You weren't living with either one?
2 A. Down the sued.
3 oLLmean, are u talking about over by your, 3 A. No.
4 the where, where you were 4 Q. Who were you living with?
A. i was living with my son's father.
5 living?
6 Q. Who is?
6 A. Yeah, Uh-huh.
7 Q. Or are you talking about someplace else? 7 8 Q A . . Were you living with before you
8 A. Yes.
9 Q And who else would go with you when you were 9 got pregnant?
10 out walltl: the streets to buy pills? 1 1 0 1 A Q . . N Y o ou . only began living with him after you found
11 A. actually.
12 Q. M. And would both of you buy pills? 12 out that you were pregnant?
13 k Yes.
1 1 3 4 A Q . . Y A e n a d h w . hat kind of pills were you asking for? 14 Q. Had you lived away from your home prior to the
1 1 5 6 wha A te . ve P r e t r h c e o y c e a t r s e , L ca o l r l c e e d t , s S , V om el a lu s. m s, Xanax, Soma, or 1 1 5 6 tim A e . y o N u o g . o t I p w re a g s n a a lw nt a ? y s at my mother's or father's
17 house.
17 Q Any others?
18 A. Not that I recall. For extra, extra fun we 18 Q. So, up until the time that you found out you
19 would ask for some coke or some ecstasy or -- 19 were pregnant, you had always been living at either
20 Q. Now, when you first went to Mr. Epstein's, I 20 mom's or your dad's?
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3 2 Q A. . A Ye n s d . that would have been at 3 couldn't live, continue to live with them because you
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6 5 A Q . . Okay. Did there come a time that you quit 6 Q. So, you had the choice to just stay with one
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11 Q. Is, is that the reason you quit going is 11 A. My father.
12 Q Okay. So, your father didn't kick you out or
12 because you were pregnant?
13 A. That was some of the reason. 13 anything like that?
1 1 4 5 sch Q oo . l w I m he e n a n it , w I a o s u s l u d m b e e g th in a t t o y o s u h o d w id t n h 't a w t y a o n u t t w o e b r e e in 1 1 1 4 5 6 you A Q , . . y o N D u w i o d . e t r h e e l r i e v c in o g m w e i a th t i y m o e u r e d v a e d r i t n h a y t o y u o r u li f ra e n w a h w en ay ?
16 pregnant?
17 A. No, it wasn't embarrassing to me. 17 A. No. If there was an argument, i went to my
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20 you quit going to school?
21 A. I felt l needed to make money for the baby. 21 you weren't coming back?
22 Q. Well, you knew who the dad was, right? 2 2 2 3 A Q . . N Ev o e . r a time that your father had to report you
23 A. Yeah.
24 Q. Were you living with your mother or your 24 as missing, for example?
25 father at the time that you became pregnant? 25 A. No.
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1 2 wo Q ul . d y I o f u a n a y g r o ee f t w he i s th e m th e in t g h s a h t a w d o h u a ld p p h e a n v e e d b , e th e o n s a e , t raumatic 1 2 Q. Which is -- was he born sometime around.?
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4 MR. EDWARDS: Object to the form. Object to 4
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6 THE WITNESS: Yeah, if I ran away, I think 6 Q. Okay. So, you and were together
7 that would be traumatic. 7 until about 117
8 A. If that's —
8 BY MR. LUTTIER:
9 Q. Did you ever ask either your mother or your 9 Q M—
10 father or tell them that you wanted to be emancipated? 10 A. The correct math.
11 A. No, no. I — but there was an issue i w t h en 1 11 Q MIS
12 needed to get my license when I did have and I was 12 A. If that's the correct math.
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13 trying to figure out a way around that, because they 13 Q.
14 weren't going to allow me to get my license unless 1 was 14 you and
15 enrolled in school since I was 16. And we did talk 15
16 about that, but it never went through. We never really 16 MR. EDWARDS: Object to the form.
17 were specific or on top of the subject. 17 BY MR. LLITTIER:
18 Q. So, now you're talkie about some incident 18 Q. . lam sorry. You said it was
19 fo when was aboutall'?
19 that happened after
2 2 0 1 A Q . . B Ye u a t h b , e I f o w re a nted to I g a e m t m ta y l k li i c n e g n a s b e o . ut now before 2 2 0 1 A Q . . Y A e ll s r . ight. Then my math would be a wro ng, and
22 was there ever a time that you expressed 22 that would take us until
23 a desire to your mother or your father or anyone else 23 A. Okay.
24 that you wanted to be emancipated? 24 Q. And then did you and
25 A 'twits.,
25 A. No.
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1 Q. Do you know what emancipated means? 1 Q Okay. Is there an event that
2 you can recall that helps you focus on that date?
2 A. Yes.
3 Q. And what does it mean? 3 A. M
4 A. It means that you want to be your own adult. 4 Q. So, you and lived in this
5 Q And you don't recall ever doing that? 5 that you had purchased until around
6 MR. EDWARDS: Object to the form, asked and 6 7 A Q . . A Ye n s d . when you say you purchased it, was it
7 answered.
8 purchased in your name, his name, joint names?
8 IRE WITNESS: No.
9 A. My
9 BY MR. LUTT1ER:
10 Q. Okay. So, once you find out you're p ant, 10 Q. Oh, it was in name?
11 you decide you're going to move in with 11 A. Yes.
12 Q. Was there a reason why it went in
12 A. Right.
13 . Now, and that would be sometime after 13 name as opposed to your name?
14 I think wejust discussed before, 14 A. twos 16.
15 around is when you became 1 1 6 5 Q A. D I p id ro y v o id u e p d r o th v e id m e o th n e e y m t o o n f e ix y? u p the place. I
16 pregnant? 17 am, I ended up paying him back after when we sold it,
17 A. Yes.
18 Q. And you lived with then from 18 but no, he paid for it.
19 somewhere around to what point in 19 Q. That is he being...?
20 A. Yes.
2 2 0 1 time A ? . We ended up buying all. with a lot of the 21 Q. And ballpark how much money did you spend
22 money I saved up from Jeffrey. We fixed it up and he, 22 facing it up?
23 Jeffrey actually threw my =M. He had 23 A. Throe grand, ballpark.
2 2 4 5 c t o h m a e t o -. v . e r with W a w e h w o e le re b t u o n g c e h th o er f g si i n ft c s e , , a u n n d t w il m e l y iv s e o d n i n 2 2 4 5 Q. M O R k . a G y. O A L n D d B w E h R y G - E - R: Excuse me, Mark, do you mind
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