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A. No, he rents from Dara Partners. My 
partner handles that property, I don't know 
any of the tenants in that building other than 
one or two. 
Q. What are the names of the one or two 
that you do know? 
A. It is my ex, so I'm not going to give 
you her name. 
Q. Is that somebody who lives in one of 
the places rented by your brother Jeffrey 
Epstein? 
A. No. 
Q. Do you know any of the tenants that 
live in the places rented by your brother, 
Jeffrey Epstein? 
A. No. 
Q. Do you know 
A. I know the name. I don't know her. 
Q. Do you know what her relationship is 
to your brother? 
A. I think she worked for him. 
Q. In what capacity? 
A. I have no idea. 
Q. Do you know if she lives in 
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A. I don't know where she lives. 
Q. Would you know her if you saw her? 
A. No. 
Q. You've never seen her before? 
A. I might have seen her somewhere, I 
don't know. 
Q. Have you ever talked to her? 
A. I don't recall talking to her. 
Q. Do you know 
A. I know of her. 
Q. How do you know of her? 
A. In the papers. 
Q. What papers? 
A. Newspapers. I read some articles. 
Q. Newspapers about your brother? 
A. Relating to his case, yes. 
Q. Okay. And what is your understanding 
of her relationship with your brother? 
A. I don't have an understanding about 
it. 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
A. My brother and I do not have a close 
relationship, so what he does is his business 
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and what I do is my business. 
We don't communicate back and forth 
about our personal lives very often. I talk 
to him to find out if he is well. That's all 
I need to know. 
Q. Does he tell you that he is well 
these days? 
A. Yes. 
Q. Do you know what his future plans are 
in terms of where he intends to live once he 
is off probation or house arrest? 
A. I have no idea. 
Q. Is that a topic that you would ever 
talk to him about? 
A. No. 
Q. So what is it that you talk to him 
about when you call? 
A. See how he is doing, see if he is 
okay. 
Q. Does he call you as well? 
A. Sometimes. 
Q. What is his telephone number? 
A. where? 
Q. What are the telephone numbers that 
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you reach him at? 
A. A lot of times I call his office and 
I have them tell him to call me. 
Q. What is his office number? 
A. 
Q. Who do you speak to at his office? 
A. Whoever answers the phone. 
Q. Do you know any of the people in his 
office that typically answer the phone? 
A. Some. 
Q. Who are you familiar with there? 
A. Darren. An attorney, Darren. 
Q. Darren Indyke? 
A. Yes. 
Q. So normally the way that you get in 
touch with your brother is to call his office 
and they forward you on to him? 
A. No, I tell them to have him call me. 
Well, sometimes, I mean I've called him 
directly too, but most of the time he is not 
there so it's easier just to leave a message 
to have him call me. 
Q. Well, these days now that he is on 
house arrest, normally if you called him he'd 
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be there, right? 
A. I don't know the term house arrest. 
I don't know if he'd be there or not. And if 
I called there and sometimes he doesn't answer 
or the phone doesn't get answered, so I don't 
know where he is. 
Q. What's the number that you would call 
to reach him? 
A. 
Q. Is it your understanding that is a 
cell phone or is that the land line? 
A. I thought it was a land line. 
Q. And what is your telephone number? 
A. I'm not giving you any identifying 
information. 
that? 
that. 
MR. EDWARDS: We can come back to 
MR. COHEN: Why don't we come back to 
MR. EDWARDS: Okay. 
Q. Are you familiar with your brother's 
businesses? 
A. No. 
Q. Do you know a person by the name of 
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Jean Luc Brunel? 
A. No. 
Q. How often are you at the property at 
A. I pick up my children there 
sometimes. Maybe -- well, actually, they are 
in school now so I'm not there that often, 
because I pick them up at school. 
During the summers I would pick them 
up there once a week. 
Q. Is that where the subpoena was served 
on you? 
A. No, the subpoena was served on me in 
the street of New York. 
Q. Near that building? 
A. No. 
Q. No where near that building? 
A. It was in The City of New York, it 
depends on what you mean by "near." 
Q. Have you been to your brother's house 
in New York? 
A. Yes. 
Q. How many occasions? 
A. Under five. 
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Q. Have you been to your brother's house 
in Palm Beach? 
A. When. 
Q. Ever? 
A. Yes. 
Q. How many occasions? 
A. Probably dozens. 
Q. When is the last time you were there? 
A. Probably about a decade ago. I was 
outside once more recently than that. 
During one of the hurricanes, he 
asked me to take a look at the property, but I 
did not go in. 
Q. Why not? 
A. There was no inside damage. I went 
to see the property just to see if there was 
damage to the property. I was in Florida at 
the time. 
Q. Why has it been more than 10 years 
since you've been to that property? 
A. My brother and I are not very close. 
Q. What is the reason why you are not 
very close? 
A. We just went our own ways. 
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Q. Does it have to do with the fact that 
he likes under-age girls and engages in that 
type of illegal activity? 
MR. COHEN: Objection. 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
A. I'm not going to make that 
assumption, but it has nothing do with 
anything like that. We just went our own 
ways. Different interests, different things. 
Q. Knowing your brother, if when your 
children are 13, 14 years old, would you let 
them alone with him? 
MR. COHEN: Objection. 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
A. Yes, I would. 
Q. Do you know anything about Jean Luc 
Brunel? 
A. I never heard the name before. You 
just mentioned it before. 
Q. Are you familiar with the modeling 
agency MC Squared? 
A. No. 
Q. Do you know if your brother has any 
involvement with that modeling agency? 
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A. No. 
Q. It goes back to you not being that 
close with your brother? 
A. We don't talk about business. He 
doesn't tell me about his business and I don't 
ask. 
Q. Are you aware that your brother is 
friendly or friends with David Copperfield? 
A. No. The magician? 
Q. Right. 
A. I have no idea, no. 
Q. Do you know any common interest that 
he shares with David Copperfield? 
A. Magic? 
I have no idea. 
Q. Does your brother do magic? 
A. I have no idea. 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
Q. There is evidence in this case that 
David Copperfield was at your brother's house 
on occasions with under-age girls. 
Were you ever there then? 
A. No. 
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There will also be evidence in this 
case that your brother and Jean Luc Brunel 
were involved sexually with minors in your 
brother's house. 
Were you ever there then? 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
A. No. 
When? When did this take place? 
Q. Any of the times that your brother 
and Jean Luc Brunel were in the same house. 
A. What time period is that? 
Q. Between 2000 and 2005. 
A. I already told you I haven't been 
there for over a decade. So use your fucking 
head and realize that I wasn't there. 
Next question. 
Q. When was the last time you were in 
the New York house? 
A. When my mother was still alive. So 
it's got to be over five years ago, I think. 
Q. All right. I'm going to go back to a 
time that you are more familiar with your 
brother. 
Where did you grow up? 
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A. Coney Island, Seagate, in Brooklyn. 
Q. And did you go to the same school as 
your brother then? 
A. Yes. 
Q. What schools were those? 
A. P.S. 188 for elementary school, Mark 
Twain Junior High School and Lafayette High 
School. 
Q. And at Lafayette High School, were 
you familiar with any of your brother's 
girlfriends? 
A. Probably. I don't remember who they 
were. I don't remember my own girlfriends 
from high school. 
Q. Did your brother ever have boyfriends 
at that age? 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
A. What do you mean by boyfriends? You 
mean friends that were boys? 
Q. No, I mean was he sexually involved 
with boys in high school? 
A. No, not that I know of. 
MR. COHEN: Objection. 
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Q. Do you know of your brother to engage 
in homosexual sex? 
A. No, I don't. 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
MR. COHEN: Objection. 
Do you know Leslie Wexner? 
Q. 
A. I never met him, but I knew of him. 
Q. How do you know him? 
A. He is a public figure. He owns The 
Limited. 
Q. Have you ever been told that your 
brother and Leslie Wexner have a long time 
sexual relationship? 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
A. No. 
MR. COHEN: Same objection. 
Q. That's not something your brother's 
ever told you? 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
A. No. 
Q. I know you said that you and your 
brother don't talk about business much. 
Do you talk about his girlfriends, 
boyfriends, sex life, anything like that? 
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A. No. 
Q. Have you ever worked with your 
brother? 
A. No. 
Q. After high school, where did your 
brother go? 
A. To school, you mean? 
Q. Sure. 
A. Cooper Union. 
Q. And do you know what he studied 
there? 
A. He majored in physics, I think. 
Q. Did he graduate? 
A. No. No. 
Q. After Cooper Union, where did he go? 
A. NYU, The Courant Institute. It's the 
math graduate program there. 
Q• Do you know what he studied there? 
A. It's the math graduate program there. 
He studied mathematics. 
Q. Did he graduate from NYU? 
A. Not that I know of. 
Q. Do you know where he went after NYU? 
A. Home. 
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Q. For how long? 
A. What do you mean where did he go 
after? I don't understand your question. 
Q. Did he go to work? Did he stay in 
school; masters, doctorate program? 
A. He went to work. 
Q. Where did he go to work? 
A. He started teaching, I don't know if 
it was immediately after, but I know he was 
teaching for a while. 
Q. Where did he teach? 
A. Dalton. 
Q. Was that a high school? 
A. I'm not sure what year it starts. It 
might be K through 12. I don't know what 
Dalton is. 
Q. By this point in time in your 
brother's life, your life, were you already 
going your separate ways or were you still --
A. No, we were still close then. 
Q. You were close with your brother 
through high school and at least up to the 
point we are now at when your brother left NYU 
and he started working at Dalton? 
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A. Yes. 
Q. What was he doing in terms of at 
Dalton, was he a math teacher, a piano 
teacher? 
A. Math teacher, I believe. 
Q. Did you ever know him to teach piano? 
A. No. At Dalton? 
Q. Right. 
A. I don't know. 
Q. Okay. 
A. He plays very well. I don't know if 
he taught it. 
Q. See we can only go off of what we 
read in the papers too. 
A. Okay. 
Q. How long was he at Dalton, to your 
knowledge? 
A. A couple of years or so. I don't 
know. 
Q. All right. And what was his next 
employment after Dalton? 
A. I think he went to Bear Stearns. 
Q. Do you know how he got that job at 
Bear Stearns? 
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A. Yeah. He met, what's his name? Ace 
Greenberg, who was, I think the number 2 guy 
at Bear Stearns at the time. 
And my brother was hired to help them 
set up their options departments. They were 
just getting involved with options, as far as 
I remember. 
Q. All right. How long was he at Bear 
Stearns? 
A. A few years. 
Q. What year did your brother graduate 
high school? 
A. I got out in '71, so I guess he got 
out in '69, I think. 
Q. From Lafayette? 
A. Yes. 
Q. Do you know what year it was that he 
first started at Bear Stearns? 
A. Somewhere around '76. 
Q. Do you know why it is he left Bear 
Stearns? 
A. No. 
Q. Did you talk to him much while he was 
at Bear Stearns? Were you still close then? 
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A. Pretty much, yes. 
Q. And, I'm sorry, did you know what 
year he left Bear Stearns? 
A. No. Around what year he left? No. 
Q. Do you know about how long he worked 
there, five years? 
A. A few years is the closest I can tell 
you. 
Q. I know you told us what he did when 
he started. Do you know what he was doing 
when he finished? 
A. No. 
Q. Were you aware of any problems that 
he had at Bear Stearns? 
A. No. 
Q. Were you aware of any insider-trading 
investigation involving -- or where your 
brother was a witness at Bear Stearns? 
A. No. 
Q. And do you know why it is that your 
brother left Bear Stearns? 
A. No. 
Q. Do you know where he went to work 
after he left Bear Stearns? 
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A. I know for a while he was working on 
his own going after insider-trading, and also 
recouping money for people. 
Q. Okay. What does that mean? Just 
elaborate? 
A. Well, there were people who got burnt 
by brokers who were doing -- there were a lot 
of insider-trading things going on. And a lot 
of investors got burnt. 
And my brother was working with an 
attorney, and they were going after the 
brokers and trying to recoup money for the 
investors that got burnt. 
Q. Was he also working for the federal 
government to recover money for the government 
as well? 
A. I have no idea. 
Q. He never told you that? 
A. No. 
Q. Do you know what companies he was 
working for to recover money? 
A. I think he was working for himself. 
Q. Do you know what the company was 
called? 
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A. No. 
Q. Do you know how long he had that 
company open? 
A. No. 
Q. Was it a successful company? 
A. I think so. 
Q. Where is the next place he went? 
A. I don't know if he ever worked for 
anybody else except for himself after that. 
Q. All right. What is the next endeavor 
that he pursued then? 
A. He was just -- had the company he 
had, I guess. Managing money, as far as I 
know. 
Q. Okay. But managing money is 
something different than being a money bounty 
hunter? 
A. Well, after the bounty hunter he was 
working managing money for people. That's 
all. 
Q. Do you know how he started that 
company? 
A. No, I don't. 
Q. Were you still close with him then? 
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A. Not as, but we were still kind of 
close. We didn't talk business. I had my 
businesses, which kept me very busy, and he 
had his. 
And when we'd talk, a lot of our 
conversations had to do with our parents. We 
had our own group of friends. He lived 
uptown, I lived downtown. Different worlds. 
Q. At this point in time he was still 
living in New York? 
A. Yes, or he might have had a Florida 
house then, I'm not sure if he did at that 
point. I don't remember when he first got 
that place, but he's had it for a while. 
Q. That's the house at 
A. I don't know the number, but it's Old 
Brillo. 
Q. The same house in West Palm Beach, 
that's the house we are talking about? 
A. I believe so. 
Q. Has your brother ever discussed 
working for the government, either back in the 
Bear Stearns days, afterwards, up through the 
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