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was shocked because this was her boss' boyfriend. 
EPSTEIN as this "incredibly 
incredibly powerful woman". 
it was dark. 
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did not remember it piece by piece. 
recalled she 
described 
powerful man" and she was working for "an 
remembered running out of the room and 
and cried all night. 
did not know 
what to do or how to process it. 
told MAXWELL what happened. 
did not know how she worded it 
to her. MAXWELL would have been chatty. 
was terrified; MAXWELL 
would have seen something was wrong. MAXWELL did not seem sad. 
thought she was going to be in trouble 
thought MAXWELL would be angry with her but MAXWELL was flippant 
about it. MAXWELL said something like, "if someone is wealthy and 
to be monogamous". 
the way the world 
relationship, but 
intelligent, they have girlfriends and they don't have 
MAXWELL told 
to "stop being silly - that's just 
is". MAXWELL implied that she and EPSTEIN had an open 
that MAXWELL was the one who slept with him. MAXWELL implied that this was 
the way men are in that world. 
thought MAXWELL knew what was happening. 
did not remember 
MAXWELL being around a lot of the time it happened with him. MAXWELL and 
never spoke about it but 
assumed MAXWELL knew. 
knew what EPSTEIN did not like. MAXWELL got angry with 
once. 
was tasked by MAXWELL to find a massage therapist; this 
was at the ranch. 
had found a good massage therapist because she had 
received a massage. MAXWELL said that no one is being massaged by a fat old 
lady. It was such a derogatory statement but MAXWELL was like that. The 
massage therapists were older and younger females. There were a few males 
but not many. They were nice people. 
[Agent note: Interview concluded for 10/15/20.] 
(10/16/2020) 
Present at the start of the interview day 3 was Assistant 
Attorney 
Also present was 
III, Detective 
and Special Agen 
attorney 
an 
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was then asked about flights. She was asked if she recalled 
a 
flight with EPSTEIN, MAXWELL, 
on it. 
states that she remembers all of these people but not that 
specific flight. 
states she met 
She met them either passing though Palm Beach or on the island. 
The 
specific flight with 
flight must have been 
only knew of 
doesn't recall a 
though. 
around 2003. 
was asked about GLEN. She states she was EVA's husband. EVA was 
EPSTEIN's ex-girlfriend. EPSTEIN had told 
that he used to date EVA. 
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EVA married GLEN 
saw the family often and they flew a lot with EPSTEIN. 
EPSTEIN, MAXWELL, GLEN and EVA were really friendly with each other. 
GLEN was just another really wealthy person and EVA may have been a doctor. 
GLEN and EVA lived in New York and Palm Beach. 
was asked if she knows 
to which she says she does not know. 
was asked if she knows of 
and she states she is 
She was asked if she knows 
to which she says yes. 
was in finance and was around MAXWELL and EPSTEIN's age range. 
friends with them and 
saw her on the island. 
was 
states she felt as 
though she was getting pushed out for quite some time by MAXWELL. She 
wasn't invited out as much and she felt abandoned. She didn't feel welcome 
anymore but she didn't know how to leave. MAXWELL would ignore 
MAXWELL was upset when 
came back. 
was asked if she had friends that could help out because she was 
always with her boyfriend. She mentions 
(unknown last name). Based 
on her own experience, 
is now worried about 
because she brought 
her in. 
could know 
last name. 
was on the 
island and 
is still in touch with her. 
She was asked if she was in touch with MAXWELL around then. 
states she went to MAXWELL's around 2017. This was the last time 
saw her. MAXWELL was happy and said she had a new boyfriend. • 
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does not know why she was ever grateful 
to her. She does not think she was ever important to MAXWELL. 
was 
there to be her schlep. 
didn't know about all these young girls and this sweetheart deal. 
She learned of the investigation around 2007-2008. 
does not remember 
talking to MAXWELL about it. 
thought EPSTEIN's sentence was relevant 
to what he did. She didn't know about the sweetheart deal. 
just 
thought someone was after his money. 
just learned the extent of what 
he was really doing. 
was asked of her feelings of MAXWELL now. She states that she 
sees her quite differently now. She thought of her as a trusting mother 
figure. 
is angry. She feels as though MAXWELL took advantage of 
someone really trusting. 
put MAXWELL on a pedestal. She thought 
MAXWELL was interesting and glamorous. 
never knew that she could be 
part of something so horrible. 
was asked how she feels that MAXWELL took advantage of her. 
states that MAXWELL took advantage of 
trust in her. 
was fearful of 
MAXWELL at the end even after she left. 
had to drop everything even 
is still a bit scared of MAXWELL. 
MAXWELL can be so nice and convincing but also really mean. 
was asked about her feelings of EPSTEIN now. She says that she 
feels angry, used, one of many, betrayed. She does not feel special the way 
she was told. She feels the opposite. She feels there's two monsters now 
because she thought they were so generous and kind and now she feels the 
opposite. 
MAXWELL made things seem harmless. It has not been harmless. It has 
changed how 
views life and people. 
did not realize how all of 
this was going to affect her. They made her feel that everyone else coming 
in was better or prettier than her and that she was the bottom of the rung. 
[Agent note: At this point in the interview a break was taken and Detective 
Byrne stepped out of the room and was no longer present during the following 
portion of the interview.] 
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Five weeks prior to the date of this interview, MAXWELL indirectly 
contacted 
through a mutually known individual. MAXWELL had passed 
along a message that she (MAXWELL) had some of 
grandmother's 
belongings 
found it creepy that MAXWELL was trying to reach out because it felt like 
she was watching 
while she herself was in jail. 
In or around 2008 
went to MAXWELL to see how she was and MAXWELL 
treated her like a long lost friend. 
was picking up things from 
EPSTEIN's attic. 
saw some of her things from storage, like books her 
father had given her, displayed around MAXWELL's house. 
was 
wondering why her things were in MAXWELL's house. This was when 
went 
to live 
wondered why MAXWELL had not told her then 
about her grandmother's belongings. One of 
jewelry boxes had been 
forced open and pearl necklaces were missing. 
felt this was a scare tactic by MAXWELL. 
have anything to do with MAXWELL. 
does not want to 
did not think that she had heard from MAXWELL after 
EPSTEIN's arrest in 2019. 
[Agent note: At this point in the interview 
stepped out of the room and was no longer present during the following 
portion of the interview.] 
In or around 2003, 
was invited to the island. 
shared a room 
with other people. 
was told to go to EPSTEIN's room, where 
and 
were also there. 
thought 
was also 
there. 
thought 
was MAXWELL's assistant. 
had seen 
when she went to MAXWELL's home office in or around 2008. 
felt that 
would know more recent information regarding MAXWELL. 
described 
that everyone had a hand or foot of EPSTEIN. 
thought EPSTEIN said 
something or 
did something for him. 
had EPSTEIN's left foot 
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while 
was on the top right. 
felt she had been tricked into 
the situation. Other than 
prior meeting with 
, these were 
people that were not familiar to 
. The memory is kind of hazy to 
because she thinks her brain did not want to remember it. 
felt that it was not like that before - it was like a shift. At one point 
thought she had dreamt it but it was a suppressed memory. 
had 
no clue if MAXWELL was involved in any way. 
does not remember other 
people being present. 
did not recall the rest of the trip because 
she was so tormented by it. 
In or around 2008, 
recalled a phone call with 
had 
wanted to thank EPSTEIN. 
told 
that EPSTEIN could see her at 
his house. It was not often that 
would see EPSTEIN at this house. 
was taken to the massage room and EPSTEIN was on the massage bed. 
There was a massage therapist there but 
did not remember the name of 
the individual; 
had not met her before. 
thought she was the 
same age as her and she was friendly. 
did what she was told. 
wondered why EPSTEIN was putting her in that position with a complete 
stranger. 
did not know that any massage took place. 
expected 
that she was there to please EPSTEIN. This individual seemed to know what 
she was doing. "Nothing sort of major" took place. 
had not spoken 
to EPSTEIN before or after the incident. 
had wanted to thank EPSTEIN 
for putting her in a flat and flying her to New York. 
recalled going 
to the office and remembered EPSTEIN sitting there playing 
the whole time. 
did not remember what was said but 
could see. This was the last time 
memory of him. 
with 
that 
a flip knife 
was all she 
saw EPSTEIN; this was her last 
hought 
was 
actually taking over for MAXWELL's position, which meant she was running 
EPSTEIN's homes and had the responsibility of taking care of EPSTEIN. 
After 
left, MAXWELL became a lot more pushy. MAXWELL went to ■ 
and needed help. 
felt that MAXWELL had conditioned her to 
drop everything when MAXWELL needed her. MAXWELL wanted a fitness 
instructor or yoga therapist. MAXWELL wanted to meet her friends and kept 
pushing her way into 
life. MAXWELL would tell 
, "Oh 
Jeffrey's coming into town, can you fill his fridge with groceries?". It 
was always something. 
felt that MAXWELL was trying to keep tabs on 
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her. It was not friendly anymore; it was kind of depressive. 
While 
was working for MAXWELL, there were approximately three 
times where other people were in the room when sexual incidents occurred. 
recalled there being a a time where a group was watching TV. 
recalled three others, 
, an 
. Those 
are the only three she could remember as fact. There were various people 
around. These were people that 
hung out with; they were her peers 
and 
thou ht it would stay between them. Everyone wanted to be 
there. 
as having her school fees paid for so 
did 
not know if she was a victim. 
did not want the sexual episode to be 
happening. 
followed what other people did. 
described herself 
as a follower, not a leader. 
was one of 
friends in New York. They would go out at 
night with a group of friends. 
really liked 
thought 
EPSTEIN said he met 
while walking on the beach one day. 
thought she met 
early on. They hung out together and 
went 
to his island. 
thought 
was presently married. 
described EPSTEIN as an intelligent and wealthy man who was attractive to a 
lot of people. 
was someone who was educated in 
to EPSTEIN's island a lot and was on his plane quite a few times. 
She went 
Later, the sexual encounters became more. This was when 
was 
working for MAXWELL. The encounters were more visual and it was more of 
just being there. It was more tame than what 
has read in the 
papers and documents. 
described the encounters including EPSTEIN 
pleasuring himself while looking at them and/or one person would take over 
and be the leader in helping EPSTEIN by touching him. 
When 
was asked if MAXWELL was in the room during these encounters, 
she replied no. When 
was asked if MAXWELL knew this was happening, 
she replied yes. 
stated she was assuming MAXWELL knew. 
suspected MAXWELL had similar "episodes" with other people like she had with 
. MAXWELL was on the island with 
peers. MAXWELL was "just 
there"; 
did not know what MAXWELL was doing. At the time, 
an acquaintance. 
felt that MAXWELL kind of let it happen. 
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When 
was asked if MAXWELL ever made sexual comments about EPSTEIN, 
she replied that MAXWELL probably did but she could not recall anything 
specific. MAXWELL made flippant comments or would say something in jest but 
could not remember anything specific. 
The sexual episodes with a group happened in the island and in New York. 
The sexual episodes with EPSTEIN and MAXWELL happened in Palm Beach; this 
was the violin incident and the separate incident. 
thought everyone knew EPSTEIN loved to be surrounded by people. 
did not know who was a girlfriend and who was not. When 
was 
asked if there were a lot of young and attractive females around, she 
replied yes there was. 
also said EPSTEIN had unattractive people 
around. EPSTEIN liked to have an entourage of people. EPSTEIN got mad at 
once when he was in the house by himself. 
This interview is the first time 
has talked in detail about her 
sexual encounters with EPSTEIN. 
also told her therapist at 
the end of 2015/early 2016. 
When 
first told MAXWELL after the first sexual episode with 
EPSTEIN, MAXWELL would clearly have seen she was distress by it. 
was 
distraught; she had not slept. 
felt the episode came out of left 
field. When 
was asked if she conveyed that she did not want it to 
happen, she replied "of course". 
did not recall what she said to 
MAXWELL. 
was confused and in shock. After that conversation, it was 
never spoken of again. 
When 
was asked if •,
as ever in the room during a 
sexual encounter, she replied "no, absolutely not". 
was younger than 
and they were not in a situation like that. 
When 
was asked if 
was in the room during a sexual 
encounter, she re lied "no". 
rubbed EPSTEIN's hands and feet with 
-• 
advised she would admit if she did something wrong, but she did 
not think she did anything wrong. 
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stepped back in the room 
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recalled 
and 
and were present 
being on the plane and the island a lot. 
was someone who stayed in the flat. 
, who was in her friendship group, knows different 
things than 
. This friend has expressed an interest in the past of 
helping in some way. 
MAXWELL definitely would have known about the sexual encounters but it 
was not something that would have been discussed. MAXWELL would say to 
treat EPSTEIN like a king and do whatever he says. 
was made to feel 
nervous and scared of EPSTEIN. 
was really paranoid about there being a camera in her flat. 
felt there may have been 
cabinet that 
could never 
wall when she would walk in. 
a camera in the bathroom; there was a 
pull open. There was also a hole in the 
was really frustrated and 
wanted to leave. 
wanted to leave but felt she could not leave. 
MAXWELL turned around and whatever name she called 
that day said, "Do 
you want a computer?" 
watched. 
felt 
occurred. 
This added to 
paranoia of always being 
there was "long time psychological stuff" that 
recalled a time where she served 
house. One of MAXWELL's friends came onto 
and defended her. 
felt protected. 
there was a lot of psychological games but 
at a party in 
at MAXWELL's 
and MAXWELL went up to him 
In hindsight, 
sees that 
there was also kindness. 
[Agent note: Interview concluded for 10/16/20. Emails and the written 
statement discussed during the interview are attached in a 1A.] 
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