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do is the more you make. 
2 
Q. 
What did you mean by that? 
3 
A. 
The more you're willing to do is the more that 
4 
he's going to pay you. 
5 
Q. 
I don't mean to play naive, but I need you to 
6 
be specific, if you know. What did you mean by "the 
7 
more you do?" 
8 
A. 
The more you do, the more you make, meaning, 
9 
if you were obviously going to take off your skirt or 
10 
your top and do it in a bra or if you were to do other 
11 
things or allow him to do things to you, you were going 
12 
to make more money. 
13 
Q. 
By "do things to you," you mean, sexually? 
14 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
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THE WITNESS: Yes. 
16 
BY MR. 
17 
Q. 
Is what -- what did you mean by -- because he 
18 
objected -- what did you mean by "do things to you?" 
19 
A. 
The massager. 
20 
Q. 
Okay. How did you first learn about the 
21 
massager? 
22 
A. 
Well, I first saw it when I went over there 
23 
the first time --
24 
Q. 
Right. 
25 
A. 
-- in the bottom drawer. But through hearsay 
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I did hear a few of the girls mention the massager 
2 
throughout me taking different girls. 
3 
Q. 
Okay. And what did you hear from the other 
4 
girls about the massager? 
5 
A. 
That he would use it on them. 
6 
Q. 
Did you learn that the girls that allowed him 
7 
to use the massager would make more money? 
8 
A. 
From what they said, yes. 
Q. 
Were there any other things that he would do 
during these incidents that you heard about from the 
other girls, other than the massager? 
A. 
That I heard about from the other girls? 
Q. 
Yeah. 
A. 
I heard from another girl, from 
that he had slept with a girl named 
and had 
made a thousand dollars. 
Q. 
Okay. Was that girl someone you knew from 
high school as well? 
A. 
Somebody that I knew on a first name basis in 
middle school 
Q. 
Was she about your age? 
A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
And you heard that from 
A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
Other than the massager and this girl that may 
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have slept with him that you heard about from 
2 
III, were there any other acts that the girls told you 
3 
about that would get them more money? 
4 
A. 
No. 
5 
Q. 
Did any of the girls tell you if he had sex 
6 
with them they would get paid more? 
7 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
8 
THE WITNESS: No. 
BY MR. 
Q. 
Did any of the girls say that if they got 
completely naked they would get more money? 
A. 
No. 
Q. 
I'm trying to find out, other than the 
massager then and that one time that you heard about a 
thousand bucks, what did you mean by if you do more, you 
get paid; 
A. 
Q. 
A. 
Q. 
A. 
Q. 
do more 
A. 
in other words, where did you learn that? 
I was told that. 
From who? 
Anyone else tell you that? 
No. 
So 
at some point told you, if you 
with Jeffrey, you'll get paid more? 
That's correct. 
Q. 
When did she tell you that? Was it before the 
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first time you went? After that first time you went? 
2 
A. 
I can't recall when. 
3 
Q. 
Did you ever discuss that with Jeffrey? 
4 
A. 
No. 
5 
Q. 
The times that you would bring the other 
6 
girls, you would get paid money, correct? 
7 
A. 
Yes. 
8 
Q. 
Who would give you the money? 
9 
A. 
Jeffrey. 
10 
Q. 
Anyone else? 
11 
A. 
No. 
12 
Q. 
How would you get it from him? Would he come 
13 
downstairs or would you go upstairs? 
14 
A. 
I don't remember. 
15 
Q. 
You mentioned that you brought 12-some-odd 
16 
girls. Does that mean that you went there to the house 
17 
those times with the girls when you brought them every 
18 
time? 
19 
A. 
Yes. 
20 
Q. 
Did you go there more than just those 12 
21 
times, plus the time that you went, so we got 13 now. 
22 
Did you go there more often? 
23 
A. 
I don't remember. 
24 
Q. 
Did you bring some girls more than once? 
25 
A. 
Yes. 
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Which ones did you bring more often than not? 
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MR. CRITTON: Form. 
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THE WITNESS: I don't remember. 
4 
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5 
Q. 
Did you bring I. more than once? 
6 
A. 
No. 
7 
Q. 
What about 
8 
A. 
Yes. 
9 
Q. 
Do you remember how many times you brough-
10 
her? 
11 
A. 
No. 
12 
Q. 
Did you bring any of the girls more than a 
13 
couple times; in other words, did you bring some of them 
14 
a lot, like, more than five? 
15 
A. 
No. 
16 
Q. 
Of any of the girls that you brought, after it 
17 
was over and they came back downstairs, did any of them 
18 
seem upset? 
19 
A. 
Yes. 
20 
Q. 
Which ones? 
21 
A. 
22 
Q. 
Tell me about that. 
23 
A. 
Apparently her and Jeffrey got into an 
24 
argument about money. She felt she should have earned 
25 
more and he didn't feel the same way. 
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Q. 
Did you talk to II about what had occurred? 
2 
A. 
Briefly. 
3 
Q. 
Was this the time where Jeffrey accused her of 
4 
looking at the clock? 
5 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
6 
THE WITNESS: I don't know anything about 
7 
that. 
8 
BY MR. 
9 
Q. 
What did she tell you? 
10 
A. 
II just came downstairs. She was very upset. 
11 
As soon as we left, I had asked her why she was so 
12 
upset. 
13 
And she was, like, you know, I should have 
14 
gotten paid more. I took off my top. I thought I was 
15 
going to get 300. I didn't get the amount I wanted. 
16 
And I just looked at her and I told her, don't 
17 
argue money. Just let it go. 
18 
Q. 
Any of the other girls after this incident had 
19 
occurred with them and they came back downstairs and met 
20 
with you, did you notice that any of them were 
21 
apparently upset or didn't seem to like the incident in 
22 
any way? 
23 
A. 
No. 
24 
Q. 
You mentioned that Jeffrey paid you the $200. 
25 
Was that every time or did 
give you the money some 
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of the time? 
A. 
I don't remember. 
Q. 
Was there -- when you were bringing girls, was 
there a routine; in other words, was there something 
that you knew you had to do every time you got there to 
the house for you? 
A. 
No. 
8 
Q. 
Well, when you went the first time, 
9 
showed you how to set up the table? 
10 
A. 
Uh-huh. 
11 
Q. 
Showed you where the towels were? Yes? 
12 
A. 
Yes. 
13 
Q. 
Showed you where the massage oils were? 
14 
A. 
Yes. 
15 
Q. 
Did you have to do that for the other girls 
16 
when you brought them, too? 
17 
A. 
Not all the time. It was either 
or me, 
18 
depending on if she was around. 
19 
Q. 
So if 
wasn't around, you would have to 
20 
do essentially what 
did for you that first time? 
21 
A. 
correct. 
22 
Q. 
And if 
was around, you'd let her do 
23 
that? 
24 
A. 
Yes. 
25 
Q. 
Do you know whether or not 
ever gave 
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Jeff massages? 
2 
A. 
I don't know. 
3 
Q. 
Did you see any other girls at the house, 
4 
other than the ones you may have brought and 
5 
A. 
Yes. 
6 
Q. 
Who? 
7 
A. 
I don't know their names. I did hear tha -
8 
they were models. They were tall, thin, attractive. 
9 
They spoke a different language. Don't know their 
10 
names. 
11 
Q. 
How many? Two? 
12 
A. 
I don't -- I don't remember. 
13 
Q. 
Do you ever recall meeting someone by the name 
14 
of 
? Does that name sound familiar to you? 
15 
A. 
Sounds familiar. 
16 
Q. 
Any other names that come to your head? 
17 
A. 
Not that I can remember, no. 
18 
Q. 
All right. Did you ever meet any older women 
19 
that may have been at the house when you were there? 
20 
A. 
No. 
21 
Q. 
You say that with a smile. Did you ever see 
22 
any women at his house that appeared to be over their 
23 
twenties in any way to you? 
24 
A. 
A couple of the models looked older. 
25 
Q. 
Any others? 
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That I saw? No. 
2 
Q. 
Any girls that you ever saw at the house that 
3 
looked his age? 
4 
A. 
No. 
5 
Q. 
For all the times that you brought these girls 
6 
to the house, was it essentially the same routine, you 
7 
would bring them, they would go upstairs, they would dc 
8 
whatever they were going to do for Jeffrey, they would 
9 
then be done, you would get paid $200 and you'd leave? 
10 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
11 
THE WITNESS: Yes. 
12 
BY MR. 
13 
Q. 
I'm wondering whether any of those times that 
14 
it was different than what I just generally described to 
15 
you. 
16 
A. 
No. 
17 
Q. 
So regardless of who the girl was, the routine 
18 
essentially was the same? 
19 
A. 
That's correct. 
20 
Q. 
Okay. Other thanill telling you about the 
21 
disagreement she had, did you have any discussions with 
22 
any of the other girls about what occurred in the room 
23 
during the massage? 
24 
A. 
Yes. 
25 
Q. 
Tell me about those. 
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Sometimes when we would walk -- when I would 
2 
walk to the car with the other girls to go home, I would 
3 
try to start conversation, asking them what had took 
4 
place. 
5 
Q. 
Okay. 
6 
A. 
A lot of them would just look at me and say, 
7 
nothing. Some would describe the same situation that : 
8 
went through the first time I gave a massage. 
9 
Q. 
Okay. 
10 
A. 
That's it. 
11 
Q. 
All right. Did any of the other girls tell 
12 
you that they told Jeffrey to stop at any point? 
13 
A. 
No. 
14 
Q. 
You told him to stop, correct? 
15 
A. 
Yes. 
16 
Q. 
As you sit here today though, you don't know 
17 
what went on in the room with those other girls, do you? 
18 
A. 
I do not know what happened. 
19 
Q. 
Okay. The staircase leading up to the 
20 
upstairs, do you recall seeing any pictures on the walls 
21 
as you went up? 
22 
A. 
I did see a couple pictures on the walls. 
23 
looked like artwork. 
24 
Q. 
Did you see any pictures of young girls, that. 
25 
you can recall? 
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Young girls? I don't remember that. 
2 
Q. 
Girls? 
3 
A. 
I don't remember what sex. 
4 
Q. 
Do you recall seeing any photographs of naked 
5 
women in the house? 
6 
A. 
Yes. 
7 
Q. 
Where? 
8 
A. 
Throughout the house. I can't be sure where. 
9 
There was a photograph, black and white of a woman's 
10 
torso, no arms, and her breasts. 
11 
Q. 
You don't remember where that was? 
12 
A. 
I don't remember what wall that was on or what 
13 
room. 
14 
Q. 
Upstairs or downstairs? 
15 
A. 
I don't remember. 
16 
Q. 
Do you recall seeing any paintings of naked 
17 
women in the house? 
18 
A. 
Paintings? 
19 
Q. 
Paintings. 
20 
A. 
I don't remember. 
21 
Q. 
When you gave Epstein a massage, did you have 
22 
to at any point get onto the table with him? 
23 
A. 
No. 
24 
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10 
Q. 
Okay. When you went to the police station for 
11 
the first time when they came to your house, were your 
12 
parents home when the cops first came? 
13 
A. 
No. My mom had just left. 
14 
Q. 
After the massage you gave to Mr. Epstein, did 
15 
he ever express to you that he understood you weren't 
16 
comfortable with what had happened? 
17 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
18 
THE WITNESS: We didn't talk about it. 
19 
BY MR. 
20 
Q. 
At some point did you change your cell number? 
21 
A. 
At some point, yes. 
22 
Q. 
Why? 
23 
A. 
Many reasons. 
24 
Q. 
Was one of the reasons so that 
would 
25 
stop calling you? 
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MR. CRITTON: Form. 
2 
BY MR. 
3 
Q. 
4 
A. 
One of the reasons was because I was moving on 
5 
with my life and I had left a lot of that in my past. 
T 
6 
was getting prank calls and I was moving. 
7 
Q. 
All right. The police came to your house in 
a 
approximately October of 2005; is that about right? 
9 
10 
11 
A. 
Don't remember. 
Q. 
You were about 17 when they first came to th-
house or had you turned 18 yet? 
12 
A. 
I don't remember. Wait. What was the date on 
13 
that? 
14 
Q. 
October of 2005. 
15 
A. 
October 2005? 
16 
17 
A. 
I was 18 then. 
18 
Q. 
You were 18 at that point? 
19 
A. 
Yes. 
20 
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Q. 
All right. Do you remember when you changed 
4 
your cell number, was it before or after the police came 
5 
to talk to you? 
6 
A. 
I believe before. I don't know. 
7 
Q. 
Before the police came to talk to you, had 
8 
called you and talked to you and said anything 
9 
about police? 
10 
A. 
No. 
11 
Q. 
After they came to talk to you, she called you 
12 
and told you about the police, didn't she? 
13 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
14 
THE WITNESS: No. Somebody had called my 
15 
house from that number. 
16 
BY MR. 
17 
Q. 
Right. 
18 
A. 
I did not answer it. It was not spoken about . 
19 
I did not talk to her or Epstein about any police. 
20 
Q. 
Okay. At any time do you recall telling the 
21 
police that someone, likely it was 
called you and 
22 
said the police are conducting an investigation, don't 
23 
talk to them? 
24 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
25 
THE WITNESS: No. 
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MR. 
: Just answer his questions. 
2 
THE WITNESS: No. 
3 
MR. 
: Then he'll ask you another 
4 
question. 
5 
BY MR. 
6 
Q. 
Go ahead. Did someone call you? 
7 
MS. 
: She said, no. 
8 
BY MR. 
9 
Q. 
Did someone call you? 
10 
A. 
Someone called me. I did not speak to them. 
11 
Q. 
Okay. Would 
call you on your cell phone 
12 
to tell you when Mr. Epstein was in town? 
13 
A. 
Yes. 
14 
Q. 
Is that how you know or knew when to bring 
15 
girls to the house? 
16 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
17 
THE WITNESS: Yes. 
18 
BY MR. 
19 
Q. 
Was there anyone else that would call you and 
20 
tell you that he was going to be in town, other than 
21 
22 
A. 
No. 
23 
Q. 
Was your only contact point 
and 
24 
Mr. Epstein? 
25 
A. 
Yes. 
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2 
BY MR. 
3 
Q. 
Would Jeffrey ever call you? 
4 
A. 
No. 
5 
Q. 
He never called you himself? 
6 
A. 
No. 
7 
Q. 
So it was all through 
8 
A. 
Yes. 
9 
Q. 
Did you ever tell police that 
still, 
10 
even in October of 2005, was trying to call your house 
11 
and leaving messages for you? 
12 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
13 
THE WITNESS: Don't remember. 
14 
BY MR. 
15 
Q. 
Do you recall 
calling your house and 
16 
leaving messages for you after the police started their 
17 
investigation? 
18 
A. 
I don't remember. 
19 
Q. 
Did you save any phone conversations or 
20 
messages that 
had left at your home? 
21 
A. 
I don't remember. 
22 
Q. 
Do you remember giving police a tape from the 
23 
phone message machine where 
had called your house? 
24 
A. 
I don't remember. 
25 
Q. 
After speaking to the police that first 
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time -- well, let me ask you about that, first of all. 
2 
When the police talked to you that first 
3 
occasion, did they read you your Miranda Rights? 
4 
A. 
I don't remember. 
5 
Q. 
Do you recall if they ever told you, you had 
6 
the right to remain silent? 
7 
A. 
No, they never said that. 
8 
Q. 
Did you ever sign a document with them; in 
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other words, sign any paper? 
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A. 
I don't remember. 
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Q. 
Were your parents with you at that point? 
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A. 
No. 
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Q. 
Do you recall the police telling you that you 
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could be criminally prosecuted when they were talking to 
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you? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
And at what point in the conversation did that 
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occur? Was it at the beginning? The middle? The end? 
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A. 
I don't remember. 
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Q. 
What did they say? 
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A. 
It was at the station. And they had said that 
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I had admitted to some sort of felony and that I can be 
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arrested for it. 
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Q. 
Okay. The police drove you back to your 
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house? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
Did you know they had a recording device in 
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their car at the time? 
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A. 
At that time? No. 
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Q. 
Did you learn later? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
Did you say something in the car when you were 
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on your way home? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
Why don't you tell us what you said. 
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MR. 
: Hang on. I want to have a 
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conference with my client before she answers that 
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question. 
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MR. 
: On what basis? 
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MR. 
: Potential privilege. 
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MR. 
: Which privilege? 
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MR. 
: Fifth Amendment. 
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MR. 
: Okay. 
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VIDEOGRAPHER: Going off the record. The time 
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is 1:22 p.m. 
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(Brief recess.) 
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VIDEOGRAPHER: We're back on the video record. 
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The time is 1:30 p.m. 
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MR. 
: After your break, Madame Court 
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Reporter, if you could go back and just read my 
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last question before we broke. 
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(Pending question was read.) 
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MS. 
: I am going to instruct 
Lc 
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assert her Fifth Amendment Right in order to 
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protect her Fifth, Sixth and 14th, and specifically 
6 
with regard to any further conversation or 
7 
statement she had or made to police officers. 
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We've allowed you free reign with regard to her 
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interactions and involvement and dealings with 
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Jeffrey Epstein. But at this point I'm going to 
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instruct her to assert her Fifth Amendment Rights. 
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And I'll repeat it with each question, if you want, 
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or I'll let you ask her and she can assert it 
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herself. 
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MR. 
: Yeah, I think that procedurally 
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the way we've been handling it in this case so far 
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is that the witness' -- it's the witness' 
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privilege, so the witness has to actually assert 
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that privilege. 
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MS. 
: Okay. So you need to ask it 
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again. 
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MR. 
: Right. So I'm going to go through 
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each question that I may ask in sequence really 
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quickly on this topic and then if she's going to 
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assert her Fifth, then I would ask that she do that 
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individually. Okay? All right. 
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BY MR. 
3 
Q. 
The last question I asked is: What did you 
4 
say in the car after the police interviewed you? 
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A. 
I'm going to assert my Fifth. 
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Q. 
Did you tell police, quote, I'm like a Heidi 
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Fleiss? 
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MR. 
: Stop. You instruct. Get the 
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procedure down. 
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THE WITNESS: I'm going to assert my Fifth 
11 
Amendment. 
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BY MR. 
13 
Q. 
Do you know who Heidi Fleiss is? 
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A. 
I'm going assert my Fifth Amendment Right. 
15 
Q. 
Are you aware that Heidi Fleiss is a 
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relatively famous madame who brought girls or arranged 
17 
for girls with respect to prostitution in California? 
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A. 
I'm going to assert my Fifth Amendment Right. 
19 
Q. 
At some point after the interview with police, 
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did you learn that they had recorded that conversation? 
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Let me put it this way: Did you learn that 
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they had recorded a conversation that you had in the 
23 
police car? 
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MS. 
: That's fine. You can answer. 
25 
THE WITNESS: Yes. 
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