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want to — If you give me a copy. 
put a 
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that es, door it? 
sticker on it. 
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A. NO. 
MR. REINHART: Or Just copy the page that haS 
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O. Okay. Do you know what the purpose of her 
the exNblt sticker on it. 
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being on the airplane tight along with Jeffrey Epstein. 
MR. CRITTON: Sony. 
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GNstaine Maxwell aricillIMI 
would be? 
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A. No. 
0. Like On thiS flight, we have 'JE.` I'm 
assuming that's Jeffrey Epstein, correct? 
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Q. Okay. Do you know how it comes about that 
Milleets 
on that flight? How does she even know 
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A. Yes, I'll assume. 
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there's a flight available? 
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Q. 'GM, Ghislaine Maxwell, right? 
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A. I don't know. 
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A. Yes. 
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0. All right. Well, let's go down to somebody 
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that we may all know a little bit better. Febniary 
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A. I would assume. 
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2002, there's a flight that has Bill Clinton, tour 
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0. I mean - okay. And then this name, do you 
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Secret SenAce agents and then instead of listing names 
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recognize that person? 
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or initials or anything also, ifs just listed as two 
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A. Never heard it. 
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males, one female, Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwe 
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0. And therm? 
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and d forget veto Dave Rogers told me ■' 
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A. Yes. 
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I. Do you remember who that is? 
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O. You've heard that name? 
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A No. 
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A. I've heard the name. 
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0. Okay. Either way, how ht It that someone like 
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0. Not sure who that is, though? 
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Bill Calton gets on a Jeffrey Epstein light? 
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A. No. 
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MR. CRITTON: Form. 
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Q. There's only one, two, throe, four, five. six 
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THE WITNESS: I don't know, 
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people on that fight? 
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BY MR. EDWARDS: 
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A. Uh-huh. 
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0. Do you know before the fight takes off that 
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0. That's pretty typical of the amount of 
Bill Clinton's going to be a passenger on the flight? 
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passengers that you would have on a fight? 
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A. Yes. 
A. It varied, sure. 
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Q. And how do you know? How do you get that 
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0. Okay. But it varied between — If we look a 
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information? 
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few lines down, Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell 
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A. The day before I'd get a phone call from, say. 
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were the only two passengers. Certainly there were 
flights like that as well, right? 
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saying we're leaving tomorrow going to wherever, 
and sometimes she'll say who's going, sometimes she 
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A. Mm-hmm. 
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wont On a case where President Clinton would be on 
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0. And so it varied from having one or two people 
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board, we would put a lithe extra catering on board or 
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to six or seven people, right? 
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do that little extra TLC to the aircraft. 
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A. Yes. 
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0. If it's leaving — this says its leaving from 
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0. What's the most people that you remember 
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MIA and where sit landing? 
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traveling on any of Jeffrey Epstein's airplanes? 
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A. HPN I believe is White Plains. 
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A. Twenty-five. 
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Q. Okay. Do you remember that flight? 
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Q. Okay. That would be a rarity, wouldn't you 
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A. I remember being on It. 
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say? 
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0. Well. I mean, if you look through here. 
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A. Oh, yeah. 
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obviously you had BA Clinton on the airplane ten or 
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twenty times. right? 
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haven't seen any place where there were 25. but there 
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A. Yeah. He's my main focus I remember him 
being on the aircraft, sure. 
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are lines that have maybe eight or nine people listed. 
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A. Right. 
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0. Do you remember him being on the airplane with 
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0. Let's see. There's a fright from 
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younger girls? 
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January 15th 
sorry, January 17th, January 20th and 
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MR. CRITTON: Form. 
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January 22nd of 2002 that all 
That 
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THE WITNESS: No. 
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defiant serve to refresh your recollection as to who 
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BY MR. EDWARDS: 
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O. Okay. Do you know what his relationship was 
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with Jeffrey Epstein? 
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A. No. 
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O. Do you know if they were friends? 
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A. Assuming. 
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O. But you're assuming why? Just because he's on 
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his plane? 
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A. Yeah. 
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O. Okay. So you assume that the people that are 
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listed on here are friends of Jeffrey Epsten's and 
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that's why they are riding on his plane? 
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A. I'm speculating. 
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0. I'm Just not familiar with the -- because rye 
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never been on a private flight 
with the manner in 
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which you go about getting on one of these flights. I 
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mean, you have to, I guess, know that Jeffrey Epstein 
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has a plane, that it's going from a destination that you 
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are at and want to go to, and that it's avelable and 
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those kind of things. Can you tell me, enlighten me --
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A. Weil, it's not publicly offered, no. it would 
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be no different than you limping In your car and knowing 
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you're going to the mall. I moan, It's not public 
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information, you know, where planes are coming to and 
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from, and you don't put your name out there to get 
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this time with Doug Band, three Secret 
, 
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Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell 
Do 
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you remember that flight? 
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A. Where did we go? 
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0. Starts In JFK. 
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A. Flight. 
O. Where is that? 
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MR. CARTON: Do you have a date? 
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MR. EDWARDS: March 18th. 2002. 
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THE WITNESS: EGGW I believe is Luton, 
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England. 
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0. Okay. Do you remember flying to England? 
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A. I do remember flying to England. I just don't 
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remember that trip. What airplane were we In? We were 
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in the Boeing. 
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O. Do you remember the purpose of the trip? 
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A. No. 
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O. Do you know who Doug Band is? 
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A. I heard he's Clinton's, how would you say, 
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assistant. I mean, I've seen that in the newspaper. 
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seen a on CNN. 
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O. Okay. Did you ever hoar that Doug Band and 
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Ghlslane Maxwell were together. even for a day or a 
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night? 
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onboard a flight. 
0. Does Jeffrey Epstein charge these people as 
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passengers? 
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A. I don't know. 
O. Okay. Are these people such as Bill Clinton. 
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does that mean that &a Clinton called 
or 
somebody affiliated with Jeffrey Epstein to get on the 
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plane or that Jeffrey Epstein called Bill Clinton and 
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asked do you want a ride? 
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MR. CRITTON: Form; predicate. 
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THE WITNESS: I have no idea. 
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O. No idea? 
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A. No idea whatsoever. 
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O. Joe Pagano, do you know who that is? 
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A. Yes. 
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O. What's his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, 
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or what was it back in Febnia 
sorry, March 17th of 
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2002, when he and 
and Jeffrey Epstein and 
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Todd and one female were on this flight? 
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A. I don't know to what extent or what his 
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relationship is. He Just was a passenger on the 
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airplane. 
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0. Okay. And the next day 
sorry, two days 
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later on the 19th of March, Bill Clinton flies again, 
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Did you ever hear that Doug Band and Ghislaine 
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Maxwell were the people attributed to introducing ea 
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Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein? 
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MR. CRITTON: Form. 
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THE WITNESS: I don't know. 
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BY MR. EDWARDS: 
O. All right. There's another flight here on 
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January 
I can/ read this upside down. Maybe it says 
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May —
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A. Looks like. 
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Clin 
. Can you tell me who 
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are? 
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A. I don't remember. 
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0. Would you know them if you saw them? 
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A. Probably not because the names don't even ring 
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a boll. 
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O. All right. And then there are plenty of 
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flights. many of eights vA 
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Epstein, 
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Ghlslaine Maxwell and 
are the primary 
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passengers. or at least are some of the passengers on 
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the flights, correct? 
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A. Mrn-timm. yes. 
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0. And still, as you sit here, you being the 
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pilot of these flights, you're not sure what their 
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relationship is or whether any of them were socially 
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connected in any real way? 
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MR. CRITTON: Form. 
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THE WITNESS: No. When you're flying the 
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airplane, there's a lot more going on than 
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passengers' relations. 
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O. All right. You remember this person.l. 
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are you familiar with her at all? 
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A. I remember the name, that's it. 
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O. What do you think her relationship is to 
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Jeffrey Epstein? 
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A. No idea. 
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MR. CARTON: What date are you on. Brad? 
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MR. EDWARDS: Oh, sorry. I am at June 21st, 
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2002. 
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BY MR. EDWARDS: 
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Q. Tilers not somebody that you specifically 
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remember? 
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A. Mm-mm, no. 
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Q. No? Is that somebody that you think was a 
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regular flyer for any period of time in Jeffrey 
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Epstein's life? 
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A. Not a regular. 
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we're referring to the same flight on June 21st of 2002, 
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that includes Jean Luc Brunel, 
Jeffrey 
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Epstein. Chelan° MeueveliMillit, Mose are the 
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passengers of the flight, does that serve to jog your 
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memory as to wt as 
is? 
A. No. I mean, you see how frequently wo fly. I 
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mean. it's the passengers in the back are so far 
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removed from an operation of commanding an airplane like 
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that, Its nothing that sticks 11 your head. 
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O. And you as the pilot, is there any way that 
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you would know what's going on In the back of the 
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airplane? 
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AL No. My concerns are all on the optical!. 
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MR. CRITTON: Brad, the last one that you 
mentioned, was that the same date. June 21st. '02? 
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MR. EDWARDS: Yes. 
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BY MR. EDWARDS: 
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O. There's another name here that I was going to 
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ask you do you know. June 23rd. 2002. 
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are you familiar with that name? 
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A. No. 
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O. Also on the same flight with Jean Luc Brunel. 
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That doesn't help to jog your memory either, right? 
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A. No. 
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O. That's somebody that you remember as a 
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O. Okay. Jean Luc Brunel, is that a name that 
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you know? 
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A. Yes. 
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O. Now do you know that name? 
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A Orly because it's a unique name and his attire 
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know he who that Is. 
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Q. Do you know what he does? 
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A. No. 
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O. Do you know his association with Jeffrey 
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Epstein, if any? 
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A. No, I don't know what the relationship Is. 
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O. Nave you ever heard of him owning or running 
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or managing a modeling company? 
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A. I have seen that in the paper a taw years 
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back. 
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O. Okay. Other than seeing it in the Pats, have 
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you ever talked to Jean Luc Brunel or Jeffrey Epstein 
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about owning or running or managng a modeling company? 
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A. No. 
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O. Do you know if Jeffrey Epstein's affiliated 
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with the modeling company that's owned. run or managed 
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by Jean Luc Brunel? 
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A. No, I have no idea. 
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frequent passenger? 
A. Who are you referring to? 
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A. No. 
Q. Dr...larecki, is that somebody that you 
remember frying? 
A. I know the name. He may have been on the 
airplane once or twice. I'm guessing only. 
Q. Do you remember meeting him? 
A. Yes. I have met him. 
O. Do you remember his purpose for being on the 
airplane? 
A. No, Sir. 
O. Amanda Venaro, do you remember her purpose tot 
being on the airplane? 
A. No. 
MR. REINHART: Can we get a date? 
MR. EDWARDS: I was asking him if he 
remembered Amanda Venom. I wasn't referring to a 
specific night. 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
O. You dent remember her being on the flight? 
A. I don't remember the name. 
O. Me showing you the flight isn't going to jog 
the memory? 
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MR. CRITTON: Could I ask you a question? You 
have the original exhibit marked at the deposition. 
It looks like it's been highlighted. 
MR. EDWARDS: I highlighted it. 
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see her name, that doesn't change your opinion as to 
whether or not you remember her or what --
A. I remember the name, you know, that's all. 
0. Do you remember about what age she was when 
the was flying on the airplane? 
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MR. CRITTON: Oh. okay. So you've highlighted 
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the original exhibit that's marked for the 
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deposition? I just want the record to reflect 
ten years old, for all you know? 
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that. 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
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MR. EDWARDS: Yeah. 
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THE WITNESS: Yes. 
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BY MR. EDWARDS: 
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MR. EDWARDS: At the time I highlighted It I 
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0. Okay. 
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didn't realize I was holcing on to the original 
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exhibit. I didn't realize that until you just 
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Q. Yeah, but I mean• you don't remember her at 
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pointed that out. 
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all. So you don't --
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MR. CRITTON: I've noticed that. 
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A. I remember the name, exactly. 
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MR. EDWARDS: So now when I give it to you, 
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0. Other than the name? 
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I'm giving you my work product as wet. I don't 
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A. Right. yes, sir. 
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see how this works against you, but anyway. 
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0. But you can't even come close to putting a 
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face with that name? 
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0. Melissa Stall. is that a name that you 
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A. I mean, no. I mean, it you said draw her 
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remember? 
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picture with I couldn't come close to even getting 
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A. No. 
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s. 
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0. Okay. And then Jean Luc Brunel is Somebody 
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Q. Okay. You remember this flight where 
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who I noticed flew relatively frequently, so is that why 
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President Clinton, Kevin Spacey and Chris Tucker, 
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you -- that name jogs your memory a little better than 
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Jeffrey Epstein. Ghislaine Maxwell? 
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some of these other people? 
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A. Yes. 
A. He dresses uniquely. 
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Q. From JFK to what is this, LPAZ? 
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0. In what way? 
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A. LPAZ, that Is 
A. Just loud clothes, so something that you would 
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remember, that's all. 
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A. No, it's the Azores Islands, Santa Maria. 
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Q. Ever heard that he is affiliated with Jeffrey 
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0. Okay. And do you know why Chris Tucker and 
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Epstein because they both have a sexual attraction to 
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Kevin Spacey were on that airplane? 
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underage girls? 
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A. No. 
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MR. CRITTON: Form. 
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0. Did you talk to them? 
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THE WITNESS: You're making an assumption on 
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A. They came up in the cockpit and said hello. 
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that_ 
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So they conversed, nothing more. 
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0. Another name that is on here a few times, I'm 
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Q. Have you ever heard that? 
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specifically referring right now to the dates of 
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MR. REINHART: He's asked you if you ever 
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September 23rd and 24th of 2002, is Ron liturkle. Do you 
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heard that. 
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know who that Is Ron Buride? 
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BY MR. EDWARDS: 
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A. I know what that is, yes. I didn't realize he 
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0. It your answer is no, It's no. 
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was on our airplane. 
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A. I'm sorry, I thought you said they did. No. I 
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0. Right now that is the first time that you 
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have not. 
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remember Ron Burkle being on your airplane? 
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0. Okay. I keep highighting this name, 
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A. Yeah. 
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just because it looks like somebody that's 
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0. You don't know the purpose fix him being on 
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regularly flying on the airplane. But Me more that you 
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A. No. Granted, I'M seeing this for the first 
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time, so I'm trying to — 
0. Let me ask you that. Because this was given 
to me at a deposition of Dave Rogers. who I understand 
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was the chief pilot for Mr. Epstein. and now y0ute the 
cheap pilot. but you always kind of worked in tandem, 
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correct? 
A. Sure; we complemented each other. 
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fries Jeffrey Epstein's airplanes, right? 
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been - I may have been misled here, or I may have, you 
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know, misunderstood the purpose behind this book or how 
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it was created. I thought that you had probably seen 
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this before at some point in time? 
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A. Oh, no. 
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0. Dld you know that Dave Rogers was keeping this 
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book? 
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A. No. I know he keeps a Piet log book. 
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0. Okay. But you didn't know he was keeping the 
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names of the people who were on the airplane? 
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BY MR. EDWARDS: 
0. Okay. You don't remember which tights it 
would have been where there would have been girls under 
the age of 18? 
MR. CRITTON: 
THE WITNESS: Wel, I would have to look at 
the fright logs. 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
0. Irs not illegal to have somebody under the 
age of 18 on a flight anyway, right? 
A. No, not at all. 
0. Were you ever aware that you, as plot, wore 
transporthig girls under the age of 18 who were supposed 
to be models? 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
THE WITNESS: I had no knowledge. 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
0. Okay. You never knew who the people on th,_ 
airplane were, what their purpose was, their role with 
Jeffrey Epstein or Jean Luc Brunel? 
A. No. 
Q. All right. Do you knot 
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A. No, I dont remember that name. 
Q. 
A. I remember the name. 
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airplane was kept by Dave Rogers? 
A. Yes, in his log book. 
0. Okay. And it's my understanding when you fly 
back into the country through Customs. you have to 
report the people that are on the airplane, right? 
A. Yes. 
0. And who would create that document or call 
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that information into Customs? 
A. Whoever the captain was for the day. 
0. At times would that be you? 
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the country with passengers — well, not at times. 
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Didn't you else have to report their date of birth? 
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0. At tines weren't there also people that you 
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would bring in from other countries into the United 
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States that were under the age of 18? 
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A. Yes. 
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age 0118, right? 
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THE WITNESS: I don't remember those flights. 
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lime. Do you remember that? 
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A. Yes. 
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0. Is that somebody that you thought was familiar 
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with the modeling industry or related to the modeling 
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industry? 
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A. No. 
0. Okay. And these people, did Jeffrey Epstein 
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ever tell you how he was associated with any of them? 
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A. No. 
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any of thorn? 
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A. No. never interested. 
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Q. And on several of these on most of these, 
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the names or Initials of the people that are on the 
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flight are listed. Do you know on the occasions where 
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it lists generically two females or three females or six 
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females, do you know why that was done? 
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A. Just because we didn't know our 
the 
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person's name. We hied to do the best we could to keep 
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the records. 
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could 
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A. Dave and I. 
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0. Okay. But the first time that you learned 
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that he kept anybody's names was today, right? 
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A. Well, I didn't know he kept them in his log 
book. We would fill out the passenger manifest as 
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we're — having passengers' names in your pilot log 
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book, he's probably the only person in the world that 
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does that. 
0. Okay. 
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down, when you said female or mate, you know, I was 
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referring to the passenger manifest. 
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0. For each of these same flights, then, that 
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we're referring to out of this log book that was marked 
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as Composite Exhibit 1 in Dave Rogers' deposition, am I 
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understanding you correctly, then, there would also be a 
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passenger manifest for each of these flights? 
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A. Yes. 
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0. Now, where would I find the passenger 
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manifest? Who keeps that documentation? 
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A. Corporate -- our corporate office. 
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Q. Which is whom? 
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A. Up in New York, Darren Indyke. 
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A. NES, LW. I guess. 
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THE WITNESS: I don't know for sure. I moan, 
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counsel that has the passenger names on them. 
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A. It's called a passenger manifest. 
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exactly what that is. ten me. Tell me in your own 
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words. 
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A. It's departure time, the city, the landing 
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time exactly and the passengers that would have been on 
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that flight. 
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you IS also generically female or male? 
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A. Yes. That was the document I was referring to 
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staling that if we didn't know a person, we did not go 
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out of our way to find out a name. We just put in to 
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account for how many people were on the aircraft at that 
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time. 
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0. Who is currently in the custody or control --
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sorry. Who currently maintains or has possession of the 
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passenger manifest from 1998 through the present, 
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through today for those airplanes that you flew related 
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A. No. 
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to have the times on 
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there for --
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thing before you ask a question? 
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MR. EDWARDS: Yeah, yeah. 
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(Off the record discussion.) 
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MR. REINHART: Mr. Edwards. let him amend his 
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prior answer. I think he misunderstood the 
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question 
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MR. EDWARDS: I don't know what question we're 
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amounting the answer to. 
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the passenger manifests, they are corporate 
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documents of either JEGE or Hyperion Air, whatever 
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company owns the plane. Mr. Visoski has physical 
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custody of them. He retains them but they're not 
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his documents. They're the corporate documents. 
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So they're not in New York. 
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THE WITNESS: Those are the ones that I have 
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to Jeffrey Epstein? 
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A. I currently have, which counsel has now. 2005, 
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I believe, until the present time. And the records 
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previous to that I believe were turned into counsel with 
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the previous investigation with Jack Goldbergers 
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office, I believe. I believe they maintain those 
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a lot of counsel involved here. 
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A. Jack Goldberger's office. I believe. 
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you're talking about the criminal investigation? 
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A. Exactly, yes, sir. 
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investigation, obviously, that Jeffrey Epstein pled 
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guilty to certain charges, correct? 
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A. From what I read. yes. 
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O. Well, you did visit him In jail, right? 
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A. Yes. We didn't talk about that. 
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though, you have to be convicted of some crime, right? 
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THE WITNESS: Yes. 
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A. Right, yes. 
O. Okay. So when were talking about the 
criminal investigation, were talking about the criminal 
investigation revolving around the allegations of 
Jeffrey Epstein engaging in sex acts with minors? 
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BY MR. EDWARDS: 
O. That's the criminal investigation you're 
talking about, right? 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
THE WITNESS: I don't know the full definition 
of really what happened there. I know that it was 
something to do with solicitation of prostitution. 
That's al I road. 
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Q. And for the passenger manifest prior to 2005. 
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how far do those passenger manifests go back In time? 
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A. They should go back. I guess. to 1991 or 
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whenever we started existence. 
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Q. And did you turn them over from 1991 all the 
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way through to 2O05? 
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those materials? 
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A. That was the office, the airplane office. 
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which I've given to Bruce, which is the current log. He 
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is in possession of them now. I had possession of them. 
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O. Okay. What he's in possession of --just so I 
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know what documents are where, he's in possession of the 
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passenger manifests from 2005 through the present? 
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A. Correct. 
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Q. It I want to obtain the passenger manifests 
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from 1998 through 2005. Mars something that 1 woulc 
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request from whom? 
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O. Who first made you aware of that? 
A. The newspaper. 
O. Wore you ever questioned by the police? 
A. I don't know who questioned me, actualy. I 
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did have a questioning session, but I don't even 
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remember who questioned me. 
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O. Where did that take place? 
A. I don't remember. 
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A. No. I'm thinking it was Jack Goldberger's 
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office, or n may have been downtown al the Pen Beach 
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County Courthouse or something in that area there. 
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O. Okay. So it either happened at an attorneys 
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office that represented --
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A. Exactly, yeah, I think so. 
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O. — Jeffrey Epstein or the other side? 
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A. Yeah. 
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Q. And during that questioning, is that when you 
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turned over the passenger manifest from prior to 2006? 
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A. Yes. 
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THE WITNESS: I don't know who possesses them 
right now. They were turned into Jack Goldberger's 
office a year and a half or two years ago. 
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Q. You started out by indicating that you sent 
these passenger mardests, or a copy thereof, to Darren 
Indyke or someone at NES. LLC; is that correct? 
A. Correct. 
O. If I requested them from NES, LLC, that's 
somebody at some point in time was in possession of all 
the passenger manifests? 
A. Sure. 
O. And NES, LLCS address is the one you gave me 
a. A. I believe so. I don't know what address 
they're using for that. I know that --
O. But Darren Indyke's the attorney that I would 
call — 
A. Yes, sir. 
O. - and he could probably steer me m the right 
clrection? 
A. Yes. 
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0. Do you know Amy Taylor? 
A. Yes. 
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A. She was on the airplane. 
0. How old is she? 
A. I have no idea. 
0. Age range? 
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A. Twenly-eight. 
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A. Yeah, 28, or maybe if not older now. She was 
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probably 28 probably. I guess. She was somebody in her 
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late 20s. 
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trying to understand. 
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A. I'm guessing. 
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0. We're talking 2009 now. We're saying 28. By 
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that do you mean in 2003 she was 23 or 24 years old? 
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A. You're having me guess on her age. 
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Q. Yeah. 
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A. I mean. I can't be accurate. 
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0. Somebody between 18 and 25? 
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hello. 
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Q. That's somebody who was on the airplane 
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multiple times? 
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A. More than once. I mean. I have no account for 
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how many times. 
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0. Well, I've asked you about a bunch of names, 
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most of which you don't really remember. but that's one 
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name you do remember. 
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A. Yeah, I remember the name, yeah. 
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you would remember the face too? 
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A. I might remember Amy's face. 
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Q. A8 right. Do you remember why she would have 
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ever been on your airplane? 
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A. No idea. 
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Q. President Andres Postrana, at the time I guess 
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That was the president of Colombia back m February 
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sorry, March 200 of 2003. Do you know who that is? 
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A. I don't remember him being on the airplane, 
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but I know who that Is. 
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0. Okay. He's on the airplane with Jeffrey 
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Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, IMMIand 
Jean Luc 
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Brunel? 
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A. Where hid we go? 
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Q. Fillet you look at it. I'm talking about 
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0. No. I don't want you to guess. 
A. I don't 'mow then. 
0. Wet. if I say between ten and fifty? 
A. That's a range. 
Q. If I say between ten and fifty, you're not 
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guessing there anymore. You know she's in there, right? 
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A. She's in the middle there, yeah. 
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talking about somebody in her 20s? 
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A. In her 20s. 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. All right. Is that somebody that you know to 
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be associated or friendly with Ghislaine Maxwell? 
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A. I don't know. 
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Q. Do you know what her relationship was to 
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Jeffrey Epstein or Ghislaine Maxwelr? 
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A. No. 
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0. Do you know where she is now? 
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A. No idea. 
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Q. When's the last time you talked to her? 
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A I don't know. What date do you have on there? 
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this line, PSI, left out of Palm Beach? 
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A. Palm Beach to Nassau. I'm sorry. I don't 
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remember Mat one. 
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is that a place that you frequently went to with the 
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airplane? 
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A. No, not at all. 
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0. And is that a route that you would take for 
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the ultimate destination to be Little St. James? 
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A. No. 
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Q. If the ultimate destination was Little 
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St. James 
show me a flight where the ultimate 
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destination was Little St. James. 
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A. Yeah, right here. TIST, Mat's St. Thomas. 
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Q. Okay. So on that flight that you just pointed 
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to, March 27th, 2003, we have Jeffrey Epstein, ME 
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Brent Tyndall - do you k^oti, 
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who Brent Tyndall Is? 
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A. Yes. 
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A. I believe he was the chef. 
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(phonetic), is that 
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somebody you know to be a model these days? 
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A. I have no idea. 
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Q. Do you remember Naomi Campbell, picking her up 
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from St. Thomas along with Jean Luc Brunel? 
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A. I remember her being on board. I don't 
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A. Yes. 
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A. He was on the airplane. 
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time to be a friend of Jeffrey Epstein's? 
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A. He was on the airplane. I don't know what the 
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relationship was. 
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A. No idea. 
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Q. How about Todd Mister, do you know what that 
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relationship Is or was today? 
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A. No. 
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Q. Do you remember him? 
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A. No. 
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Q. Not at all? 
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A. I mean, I know the name. I don't know. 
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0. Paula Epstein, do you know who that is? 
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A. Yes. 
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film wound Jeffrey Epstein? 
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A. No. 
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A. No. 
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do you know that name? 
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A. No. 
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Q. She was on several flights. You don't 
remember seeing her? 
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A. No. 
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sure you know wto that is? 
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A. Sure. He's famous. 
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0. What was your understanding of Alan 
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Dershowites relationship with Jeffrey Epstein? 
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A. Never talked about A. 
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0. Forrest Sawyer. do you know why he was on your 
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airplane? 
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A. Never heard the name, actually. 
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0. Really? 
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A. No. 
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0. Larry Summers? 
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A. I know the name. I don't remember flying him 
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0. Have you ever talked to Joe Fontanela? 
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A. Yes. 
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A. That's Jeffreys morn. 
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0. She's passed away? 
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A. Yes. 
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A. That's what I heard, yes. 
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do you know her? 
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, I know the name. 
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regularity? 
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A. Yes. 
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Maxwell or 
or Jeffrey Epstein? 
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THE WITNESS: I have no idea who she was 
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friends with. 
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Q. All right. Do you know what rote she ever 
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played, if she played one, In Jeffrey Epstein's life? 
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A. No. 
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O. All right. Glenn Dubin, are you familiar with 
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Mm? 
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A. Yes. 
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A. I met him on the airplane. 
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Q. Outside of the airplane, have you ever seen 
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A. He usually drops Jeffrey off at the airport. 
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right? 
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A. Yes. 
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0. You still have his number? 
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A. I haven't — yes. I think I still got it in my 
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memory. 
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Q. Okay. What is it? 
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A. It's been a few years. 
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kind of an easy one. 
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MR. CRITTON: Who was this for? 
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MR. REINHART: Joe, Joe Fontanela. 
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MR. EDWARDS: Fontanela. 
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Q. Do you know his address, where he resides? 
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A. No, I don't. 
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0. Do you know if he — what his role is in 
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Jeffrey Epstein's life? 
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A. Not really. He just •. ho drove the car. 
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Q. He drove what car? 
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A. The car up In Now York. 
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Q. Okay. Do you know if he's a housekeeper up at 
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A. I don't know what his role Is. 
Q. Have you ever worked fora company caked Air 
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Ghislalne? Do you know that company? 
A. Yes. 
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Q. Do you know what that company does? 
A. No. 
Q. Have you ever been an employee of that 
company? 
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A. No. 
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Q. Do you know who runs that company? 
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A. No. 
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COmpany? 
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A. I don't know. 
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O. How have you heard of that company? 
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A. It's the company name that our registration 
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for the helicopters is under, Air Ghislatne. 
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O. Is that somebody who's ever paid you, a 
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company who's ever paid you? 
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A. No. 
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O. Do you know Igor Zinoviev? 
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A. Yes. 
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O. How do you know him? 
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A. Met him on the airplane. 
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what Leslie Gruff does for Jeffrey Epstein? 
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A. I don't know her exact tine. 
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O. You talked to all of these individuals at some 
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point in time, either on the phone or in person, right? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. And you don't 'mow whether they playa role in 
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Jeffrey Epstein's life, or if they do, what they do? 
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A. Exactly. 
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Q. And how do you decide who you're going to call 
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for what reason? 
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A. For example? Can you be more specific? 
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O. If you're going to make a telephone call and 
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you're going to talk to let's say Leslie Gruff, why 
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would you choose to call her? 
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A. I don't know. You're having me make the phone 
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call. I don't know why I would call her. 
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O. Have you ever called her? 
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A. I think, yes, I've called her, sure. 
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O. Why? What would be the reason that you would 
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call her? Somebody told you to call her? Here. Carl 
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this number? 
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had a departure time for any specific trip. I mean, 
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A. I don't know. He doesn't talk much. 
O. Okay. And Sandy Berger, do you know who that 
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A. I don't know. 
O. Do you know any reason why you would have 
trim him on the airplane? 
A. I don't even know the name. 
O. 
A. I know the name 
O. Somebody who flew on the plane pretty 
regularly? 
A. I would have to look at the logs. I think 
we've had that name on several -- it's a common first 
name. I'm not familiar really on who that is. 
Q. What about Bella, do you know who Bella is? 
Is that a name you ever heard? 
A. Yes. 
Q. Works up in the New York office or something? 
A. Yes. 
O. Have you ever spoken with Bella personally? 
A. Yes. 
O. Do you know what she does for Jeffrey Epstein, 
N anything? 
A. I don't know exactly what her role is. 
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O. Okay. So you're calling her related to 
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Jeffrey Epstein? 
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A. Sum. 
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O. Okay. So you know that she plays some role in 
some aspect of Jeffrey Epstein's life, whatever that is? 
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A. Right. 
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O. Okay. So when I'm asking these questions 
about those people, and I feel like I'm getting answers 
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that I'm not *fly not sure that these people have any 
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role in their life, that's not 
that's not completely 
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accurate, right? 
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somehow Involved with him, whether socially or 
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business-wise or otherwise, and during the course of 
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your years, you've made telephone calls on his behalf or 
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to coordinate things with them right? 
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A. Right. 
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O. What would be a reason you called 
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same reasons he said two hours ago, for scheduling 
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THE WITNESS: For scheduling purposes, would 
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be my only reason to call her. 
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words that Mr. Clifton wants you to use. 
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MR. CRITTON: It's what he said two hours ago. 
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Ms. Maxwell, Ghislaine Maxwell? 
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A. Same reason. 
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0. That's not somebody you call these days, 
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though, right? 
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A. I haven't seen her in some time. 
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where you thought at one point in time you thought she 
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was a person to call related to your job? 
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A. Just was no reason to. 
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affiliated or associated with Jeffrey Epstein or 
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0. Do you remember making that phone call after 
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reading the message? 
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A. Let me look al the date here. Okay. March. 
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MR. REINHART: The question is, do you 
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remember making the call? 
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THE WITNESS: Okay, let me. "Person for the 
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car will be here in 15 minutes to drop off foam and 
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Panora.' I don't know. 
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0. That doesn't mean anything to you? 
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A. That doesn't — I mean, you're talking four 
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years ago. I can't answer that accurately. I mean... 
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recall? 
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THE WITNESS: Yeah, I don't recall 
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O. If you don't remember, that's fine. 
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(Plaintiffs Exhibit Nos. 2 AND 3 were marked 
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kw Identification.) 
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document, and I can make the representation that It 
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relative to the criminal investigation revolving around 
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whatever he does? 
A. I'd only can speculating. I don't know. 
C All nit. Do you know the number 
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MR. EDWARDS: 
Thank you. And just 
in case you didn't get it, rm going to mark those 
as an exhibit so that we can read them later. 
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O. Do you know that number? 
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A. Yes. 
12 
O. What Is that number? 
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A. That's my cell phone 
14 
O. Okay. Is that still your cell phone? 
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A. Yes, sir. 
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documents here or pieces of paper. Well mark them as 
is 
Exhibit 2 and Exhibit 3. The nun coo re dated 
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March 5th, 2005. Do you remember making this telephone 
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call? And just for the record, this looks like a 
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message that's being taken relative to a phone can that 
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you made. 
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Jeffrey Epstein. So that's how I have these documents. 
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I'm not trying to pull out old documents. 
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MR. CRITTON: What's the date? 
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MR. EDWARDS: March 19th. 
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MR. REINHART: The question is, do you 
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remember the call! 
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THE WITNESS: Toni from Midnight Express is 
at' help me out — 'convention center with new 
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boat. They are two points — two parts of this." 
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A. "Show up the water" --
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MR. REINHART: "On the water." 
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THE WITNESS: "On the water and at the 
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center.' 
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A. No. I mean, Torn from Midnight Express is at 
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convention center with new boat. They are two parts 
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I mean 
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be leaving such a message about Tom from Midnight 
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A. I help out with boat purchases or, you know, 
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Q. Okay. When you say "you help out with boat 
purchases,' what do you mean? 
A. Stye my opinion, whether or not whether to buy 
a certain boat. h's just a hobby. I have knowledge on 
boats. Not only just airplanes but, you know, 
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A. To Jeffrey. 
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A. Yes. 
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of you have discussed? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. All right. And so this a conversation or at 
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Q. Do you remember having that conversation? 
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A. We've had many conversations about boats acid 
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different boat stows. If you're referring to this one 
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in '05, I don't recall this one. 
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A. Not every one of them, no. 
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been talking about corporations and things iike that. 
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with the most control over? 
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A. Yes. 
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what lend of boat are we talking about? 
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34-foot Inflatable boat. I know that one specificaly. 
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testimony has been, you know, you're just the pilot for 
him -- it looks like there's some other rote that you're 
playing here in his life. I'm not suggesting that you 
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of this, it looks that way. Is there anything else that 
you want to tel me or that you want to clarify in terms 
of the role that you play in Jeffrey Epstein's life 
outside of being just his pilot? 
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THE WITNESS: I have an interest in boats. 
You know, with the island, I don't Mirth I bought 
any boats, you know, for the company, but he 
appreciates my opinion on boat purchases. 
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A. Having the knowledge of aviation and things 
that move quite fast. So I have consulted with him on 
boat items. 
Q. How many boat purchases are you aware of 
Jeffrey Epstein making In the time period that you've 
known him? 
A. Two or three. 
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A. I mean, there's boats in St. Thomas. I mean. 
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it's not pan of my job, you know, what goes on with tne 
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boats or who controlled them. It's more of an opinion 
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of what horsepower should bo on the back of the boat, 
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hull designs. It's out of my area. 
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obligation that you have ever had with Jeffrey Epstein 
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relative to boats is just giving some opinions about the 
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boat? 
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A. Mm-hmm. 
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Q. Is that yes? 
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A. Yes, yes. 
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Q. Okay. Al right. Has he ever gWen you his 
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opinions about boats? 
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A. Sure. We'vo discussed it back and forth. 
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Q. Other than boat conversations, have you ever 
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talked other conversations. such as 
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known Jeffrey Epstein to have a girlfriend, somebody you 
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consider a girlfriend? 
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Q. In the 18 years and all the travels you had 
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Q. Do you know who he has Sex with? 
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A. No. 
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Q. Do you know if he has sex with anybody? 
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A. I have no idea. 
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A. That is correct. 
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(A break was had at 1235 p.m.) 
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0. All right. We're back on the record. Over 
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the years you've indicated that the any gifts or 
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other items or things given to you by Jeffrey Epstein 
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exclusively are the pool heater, the 40-acres of land 
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and the --
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0. Did he ever fly anywhere else with you 
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by helicopter or airplane in the last two years? 
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A. We flew one time to the Sikorsky plant. 
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A. That's where they build the Sikorsky 
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helicopters. It's in Palm Beath County. 
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A. Probably a month ago. I'm guessing. 
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A. They gave us a tour at a facility. 
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Q. Who's they? 
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A. Sikorsky. 
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Q. And who requested the tour of the facility? 
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A. They offered it to our flight department. 
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A. Jeffrey, myself, 
and Igor. 
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Q. And if I wanted documentation of either of 
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those trips, the trip to Miami or the trip to the 
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Sikorsky plant, who would have that documentation? 
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A. I would. 
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Q. So I could request it from your attorney to 
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get it from you? 
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(Off the record discussion.) 
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Q. -- and the use of a company car? 
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A. Yes. 
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A. (Nodding.) 
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Q. Okay. 
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A. Yes, 
sorry, yes. 
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taken, other than Jeffrey Epstein and 
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was there anybody else on that night? 
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A No. 
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Miami to Palm Beach? 
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A No. He drove back. 
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A. Well, I assume he drove back I did not fly 
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him back. 
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Q. Okay. And was that in Palm Beach County when 
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you saw him the next lime/ 
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A. Yes, sir. 
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Q. Do you know of him leaving Palm Beach County 
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in the last two years on any other occasion? 
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but they're corporate documents. So you'd have to 
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request it from Mr. Critton, who I understand 
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represents all the corporations. 
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THE WITNESS: Yes. 
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Q. What's the corporation that the document was 
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prepared for? 
A. Meaning who — what, lace Air Ghislaine, the 
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owner of the helicopter? Yes, Air GhlSlaine. 
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Q. Air Ghislaine? 
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A. That's the helicopter. 
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Q. And the name Ghislaine is obviously not that 
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typical of a name. Is that reference or related to 
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Ghistaine Maxwell? 
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I would assume. I have no knowledge. 
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Q. Nobody's ever told you that? 
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A. Nobodys brought it up. 
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facility? 
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A. Three hours, four hours. 
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Q. And what time of day was this? 
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A. Nine in the morning. Nine, I think, and we 
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returned at one, something like that. 
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A. They have a new helicopter being developed 
there, so there trying to look for investors in it. 
So they were Just kind of pushing their product. 
O. Do you know what Jeffrey Epstein does for a 
living for business today, these days? 
A. No. 
Q. Do you know or have you ever been to the 
Florida Science Foundation? 
A. Yes, sir. 
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Foundation does? 
A. Not exactly. 
Q. Well, generally? 
A. No, I don't. I mean, really, I don't 
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Epstein is somehow affiliated with the Florida Science 
Foundation? 
A. It's my understanckng that, yes. 
0. I mean, did you just by happenstance stumble 
into the Florida Science Foundation, or was it related 
to your relationship with Jeffrey Epstein? 
A. rye heard that's where his office was. I 
mean, I have no other --
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A. Talk about airplanes. 
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A. Yes. sir. 
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0. What was that conversation? 
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A. Give me a time frame. I mean. I've been them 
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several times. 
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to the Florida Science Foundation? 
A. Twenty, thirty. I mean... 
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Q. Well. the Florida Science Foundation's only 
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been around since late 2007; is that right? 
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A. I don't know exactly. 
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O. NI right. So In the last 2O years in the 
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last couple of years you've been there 20 or 30 times, 
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approximately? 
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A. Yee sir. 
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without having to go through each conversation, did you 
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ever talk to him about the fact that he was on probation 
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or that he was --
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A. No. 
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A. Jeffrey. 
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A. Yes. 
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the Florida Science Foundation? 
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Foundation to talk to me about what? 
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A. Maintenance on the airplanes, upcoming. It's 
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an ongoing. 
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A. Yes. 
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when you walked in. this is the 
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place that's right next to Jack Goldberger's office? 
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Q. And you walk in and there's a reception desk 
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right there? 
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A. Yes. 
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A. We were sometimes talking about TVs, you know, 
the latest plasma that's out there, LCD, you know, 
setting up a stereo systems, you know, In the Palm Beach 
house. Thars usually the main thrust of our 
conversations these days. 
O. How woukl you know to go to the Florida 
Science Foundation on each of those occasions? Would he 
just cal you? 
A. Yeah, he would call me and say come on by or I 
got a brochure on a new Samsung. 
O. With each time you were at the Florida Science 
Foundation, how long would you stay typicaly? 
A. Ten, fifteen minutes. Not much more than 
mat. 
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have a conversation about a n.f and leave? 
A. Yes, sir. 
0. Why coukkrt you have that conversation over 
the ptione? What was it about? 
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standing next to it or the salesperson. So I moan, 
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Epstein -- you can send him an e-mail, right? You could 
have done that? 
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A. Yes. 
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O. To send him the picture or something Ike 
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that, that was an option? 
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A. Right. 
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O. And what's Jeffrey Epstein's e-mail address 
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that you use? 
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A. I have to do it on my computer, you know, 
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with — I have to type in the prompts for it because 
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it's a long e-mail address. 
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O. Okay. How long have you e-mail corresponded 
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with Jeffrey Epstein? 
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A. Probably two years. A year to tyro years. I 
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mean, les fairly - something we just started doing. I 
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mean. we'd never done that in the past. 
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O. Wei, in the past he was In jail or have some 
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restrictions? 
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A. The restrictions, yes. 
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O. So you you'd see tem on the airplane 
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A. We've landed in Parts. 
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O. You're aware that he has some control over 
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another piece of property over there? 
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A. I know we've picked up luggage at a residence. 
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A. Right. 
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that listen to what he says that work in that house? 
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MR. CRITTON: Form. 
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THE WITNESS: In Paris, yes, there is one 
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person there. 
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O. What's his name? 
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A. Voltzan. Because I always thought there was 
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nobody there. 
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O. Vuttzan Cauldron (phonetic)? 
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A. I don't know exactly. I would have to look It 
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up. 
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O. Have you talked to him before? 
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A. No. 
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O. When you've been in Paris --
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A. You're not going to ask why? 
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O. Well, I'm assuming he doesn't speak English. 
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A. There you go. okay. 
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frequently? 
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A. Exactly. 
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O. So when you didn't see him on the airplane 
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frequently, then some of your correspondence was by 
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e-mail, other times by telephone? 
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A. Mm-hrnm. 
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O. And other times in person? 
A. Yes-
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O. And what was your e-mail — what was the 
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substance of the e'mall correspondence that you would 
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have with Jeffrey Epstein? 
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A. It would have to be related. I mean, you have 
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to give me a topic. I mean, whether it be a car 
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O. Never about the criminal Investigation? 
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A. Oh, no, no, never. 
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O. Do you know what his intention is or his plans 
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are for when he is off probation? 
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A. No idea. 
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Q. Or off community control? 
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A. I have no Idea. 
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O. Has ho ever indicated to you he wants you to 
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fly him to some other location outside the United States 
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to live permanently? 
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A. Oh. no. 
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O. Have you ever flown to his place in Parts? 
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O. So I thought there was no need tor that? 
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A. Okay. I just wanted to see. 
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O. Where do you stay when Jeffrey Epstein Is in 
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Pans? 
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A. A hetet 
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you stay on the ranch somewhere. but at your place? 
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A. I stay at my place. 
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O. And In New York, you have an apartment that he 
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sets you up at, right. the 301? 
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A. Yes. I have a oleos I could stay. 
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O. And In St. Thomas? 
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A. Hotel. 
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O. And in Paris you stay at a home? 
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A. (Nodding.) 
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O. Are there any other properties such as what we 
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were talking about today — I'm not saying Jeffrey 
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Epstein Is the sole owner or direct owner, but any other 
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properties that you're familiar with that Jeffrey 
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of that property? 
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A. No. 
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is kept to come over and service him each of those days? 
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THE WITNESS: Absolutely not. 
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here and see if you know anything about them. It 
indicates he owns a flight of aircraft that includes a 
Guffstream, a helicopter, and a Boeing 727. True? 
MR. CRITTON: What's the question? 
THE WITNESS: Please repeat. 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
O. Are you aware of him owning a Gulfstream IV 
aircraft, a helicopter and a Boeing 727? I think we 
talked about it, right? 
A. Right. 
0. Okay. And it indicates a fleet of motor 
vehicles? 
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is that we talked about it, as distinct from him 
knowing one way or another. 
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0. Do you know that he owns those things? 
A. I do not know that he owns them. 
O. Do you believe that he owns those things? 
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keeps a list of underage girls to service 
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A. I am not aware of them. 
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Q. Have you ever been made aware that Ghistaine 
Maxwell keeps a list of girls in the nearby areas of 
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each of -- at Jeffrey Epstein's residences to service 
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complaints that have been filed against him in the 
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various courts, whether state court or federal court. 
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against Jeffrey Epstein? 
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A. No, I have not. 
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Jeffrey Epstein. you're not familiar with who that 
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person Is? 
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A. No idea. 
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Q. What does the company NES. LLC, do to your 
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knowledge? 
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A. I have no idea. 
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O. How does that company generate profit. if you 
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know? 
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A. I have no Idea. 
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but you have absolutely no clue what they do to generate 
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THE WITNESS: Absolutely not. 
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A. No. 
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A. No. 
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•engaged in lewd acts"? 
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A. No, absolutely not. 
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what those are: so nothing specific. 
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loot house? 
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A. Exactly. 
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possible involvement with helping to facilitate 
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A. No. 
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or the -- whoever the investigative resource that was 
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being used at the time? 
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A. Right. 
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questioning you? 
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A. No, I don't remember. 
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Q. I know you don't know the location where it 
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O. I know that you helped set up some of the --
A. Computers are not my expertise. 
Q. All right. Have you ever boon told that 
Mt Epstein committed sex acts against underage girls on 
a literal deity basis, that's what he does? 
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A. rye never been told that. 
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Q. Have you ever read the complaints against hirn 
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that Indicate that's what he does on a daily basis? 
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THE WITNESS: No. 
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0. So in your mind, you never believed that you 
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were transporting around somebody whose sole goal Et 
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THE WITNESS: I never believed that, no. 
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conspired with others, including assistants andtor his 
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drivels andMi pilots and his friend Ohislaine Maxwell, 
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to further these sex acts and to avoid police detection? 
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may have the wrong room. 
PHONE ATTORNEY: I was told to ask for 856. 
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tell you what it aleges and rm gong to ask if this 
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helps to refresh your recollection about any of Jeffrey 
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Epstein's activities. The defendant. Jeffrey Epstein, 
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transported the plaintiff to another state in order to 
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engage in sex acts with her. And this occurred when sno 
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was merely 15 years old. 
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looked like they were 15 years old on your airplane? 
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somebody that looks around that approximate age, on you-
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A. Can you be more specific? 
Q. Wel, I know that you've Indicated earlier in 
the deposition that you remember some gins under the 
age of 18 on the airplane. And so let me aSk. before I 
get back into this. whether al those indMduais you 
were talking about wore accompanied by a parent or some 
of those people were on the airplane for some other 
purpose, modeling, or you don't know wtly they were 
there? I'm going to let you elaborate on who thee* 
people are that you beams may have been wider the age 
of 18 and why you think they were on the airplane? 
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THE WITNESS: We've had younger people on the 
airplane that have been, you know, with their 
family members, like you said. I dont remember 
transporting anybody that was of questionable age. 
I'm not rd orty be guessing at sornebodys age 
if l didn't ID them at the foot of the airplane. 
So I can't guess to their age. 
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Q. All tight. 'Mr. Epstein used his private jet 
10 transport the male( plainllIto Manhattan where he 
provided her spending money and aCeOrnrnodations with AIM 
at his mansion.' 
Co you have any idea who that might be 
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Q. The Caribbean? 
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A. Yes. 
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O. On those Nights to those various places, is 
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unaware of Jeffrey Epstein engaging in sex with underage 
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girls on his airplane? 
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THE WITNESS: I have no knowledge of any of 
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private jet to locations that included Palm Beach, New 
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St. Louis.' 
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Do you remember ever piloting his airplane to 
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those destinations that I just mentioned? 
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A. I'm sorry, no. 
Q. 'Each time they would travel to one of these 
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destinations, the same pattern of sexual abuse would 
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occur, often with a vast array of aspiring models, 
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actresses, celebrities, and/or other females, including 
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minors from all over the world.' 
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knowledge of? 
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have personal knowledge of some of these things, then 
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aims? Has any law enforcement or anybody ever 
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indicated that to you? 
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defendant transported minor gins from Turkey.- Did you 
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personally don't remember flying into Turkey. 
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United States from Turkey indicate the names of the 
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people on the plane? 
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A. They might 
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O. Okay. Where would I get those particular 
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ffight logs that would have that 
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A. Depended upon what year you're taking. 
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between 1998 and 2002. 
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manifests. 
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A. We have flown to Prague. 
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O. Okay. Have you picked people up in Prague and 
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flown out of Prague? 
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A. I don't remember. 
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you don't remember? 
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Q. Do you remember the reason for going to Turku) 
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or to Prague? 
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A. No. 
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or from Asia with Jeffrey Epstein? 
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A. Yes. 
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and from Asia? 
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A. No. 
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pick up minor Os for him to have sex with on the back 
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THE WITNESS: I do not know who has them 
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0. Who did you give thorn to? 
A. Actually, I didn't give them to anybody. Dave 
Rogers was in possession of those logs. So I don't know 
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where they are right now. 
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of that, any flight that may have left out of Turkey, 
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would be in the flight logs that's marked as Composite 
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Exhibit 1, or are we talking about the manifests that 
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we've been referring to? 
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A. I don't know how accurate that log book is or 
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even how accurate the passenger manifest is. 
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indicating a flight leaving out of Turkey when. in fact• 
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a flight may have left out of Turkey? 
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Q. Okay. The Czech Republic is the next place 
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listed. Is that a place you've flown to or nom in a 
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Jeffrey Epstein airplane? 
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A. More specific, could you name the city? 
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THE WITNESS Never occurred to me. 
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0. Did you ever hear that he maintained some of 
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these underage girls as Sox slaves --
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A. Never heard of such a thing. 
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THE WITNESS: No knowledge of that. 
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Prince Andrew? 
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O. Was he ever on the airplane? 
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A. He may have boon on the airplane. 
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Q. Do you remember him on the airplane with young 
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meet with Prince Andrew? 
A. I dent remember. I know that happened, but I 
couldn't be accurate. 
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the same bore as a young girl, to the best of your 
memory and knowledge? 
A. To the best of my knowledge. no. 
0. This also says politicians. taking about 
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politicians being on the airplane? 
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A. President Clinton. 
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A. Former president of Israel 
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the name. Barak? 
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Q. Ehud Barak? 
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A. Yes, those are the two that I remember. 
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Q. How many times was Ehud Barak on the airplane 
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that you piloted for Mr. Epstein? 
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A. Maybe once. 
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BY MR. EDWARDS: 
0. Okay. Do you remember who else was on that 
flight that left after 10 p.m.? 
A. No. I do not. 
Q. Do you remember why it left after 10 p.m.? 
A. No, I do not. 
Q. Do you remember Jeffrey Epstein instructing 
you to wait until after 10 p.m. to leave? 
A. No. 
Q. Would you have listened to him if he had told 
you -- if he had instructed you to do that? 
A. I don't understand the question. 
0. Well, it he told you wait until after 10 p.m.. 
I realize there's going to be a fine, but wait until 
after 10 p.m. to leave, intentionally leaving 
after 10 p.m., do you remember that instruction ever --
A. No, I donl remember that Instruction. 
0. Okay. 
A. I mean, it just happened to be departing 
after 10 and there is a penalty for leaving after 10 for 
noise. So there was no intention to... 
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particular person 15 years old being sexually exploited 
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Q. Where is Teterboro? 
A. In New Jersey. 
Q. And what was the purpose of that flight, do 
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0. Was Jeffrey Epstein on the flight? 
A. I'd have to look at the flight logs to 
guarantee. 
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left after 10:00 p.m.? 
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A. For that was the fight, yes. 
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A. les coming back to me. 
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A. No. 
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A. I remember the tine. 
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professional acquaintances of Jeffrey Epstein also 
sexually abusing or exploiting little kids or underage 
girls on your airplane? 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
THE WITNESS: No. 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
0. If you had been aware that Mr. Epstein was --
and by this -- this is more in the form of a 
hypothetical, and that I'm not going to suggest to you 
ire a fact that he was. But if you had been aware that 
every single day Jeffrey Epstein's goal was to locate 
underage girls for the purposes of sex, and enter have 
sex with them on the airplane or at some other 
designation that you were destination that you were 
traveling him to, would you have continued to pilot 
those planes? 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
THE WITNESS: You said It was hypothetical? 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
0. Right, It is a hypothetical. 
A. Why would I want to answer that? Because 
you're being hypothetical. I mean, it would obviously 
be wrong. 
Q. Sure. Well, a hypothetical question is a 
legal question that I'm allowed to ask. 
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