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Page 655 1 Q. Well, why did you do it? 2 • A. That's all I know. It's what Jeffrey taught 3 inc. 4 Q. Did you — well, you could have had sex 5 with single people, couldn't you? 6 A. Yeah. 1 Q. Well, Jetty wasn't married, was he? 8 A. I don't know. 9 Q. Well, did you ever ask him? 10 A. He lied to me about everything. 11 Q. Did you ever ask him? 12 A. Yeab, I think I did. 13 Q. And what did he tell you? 14 A. He said no. 15 Q. Do you have any information that Jeffrey 16 Epstein is married? 17 A. No. 18 Q. Do you have any information that he was 19 ever married when you were -- 20 A. No, and I don't care. 21 Q. So, you would agree with me that giving 22 massages to a single man is different than having 23 sexual intercourse with a married man, wouldn't you? 24 A. Yeah, it's wrong. 25 Q. And Page 657 1 And you know I don't want to do this in the 2 future. I absolutely despise what I do. I 3 hate what I do. I don't want to do what I do. 4 This is what I have learned from Jeffrey 5 Epstein and I hate it, and I can't wait to get 6 out of it. 7 BY MR. LUTTIER: 8 Q. That's what you said in June of '09, 9 wasn't it? 10 A. Yeah. 11 Q. Didn't stop you, did it? You still went 12 ahead and you keep on doing the same thing you've 13 always done? 14 MR. EDWARDS: Form. 15 BY MR.. LUTTIER: 16 Q. — bentledl you want the money, isn't that 17 right? 18 A. Yeah. 19 Q. That's the — the bottom line is -- 20 A. Well, actually I put myself through school 21 through it. 22 Q. The bottom line is — 23 A. I wanted to go back to school. Bottom line, I 24 wanted to go back to school so I did it to go to school. 25 Q. Well, have you saved up money to go to Page 656 1 A. Ifs wrong either way. 2 Q. So, wouldn't you agree with me, I mean, 3 doesn't the fact that you're out making a living, 4 having sexual relations with married men, cause you 5 any kind of grief or psychological trauma as opposed 6 to giving a massage to a single man? 7 A. Yes. 8 Q. So, how do you — 9 A. Actually — 10 Q. — justify yourself of the fact that -- 11. A. Married or single, it still causes me to feel 12 guilty about it. It's not the right thing to do. 13 Q. Well, how do you, how do you justify going 14 around getting paid money and taking men that you 15 know are married and having sex with them when you 16 know their wives don't know what you're doing? 17 A. How do you justify you sitting here 18 representing a pedophile? You know? You're silly. But 19 I'm sorry. 20 MR. LUTTIER: Move to strike? 21 THE WITNESS: I don't know. 22 MR. LIMIER: And now answer my question. 23 THE WITNESS: I have to go home every day 24 and put a poker face in front of my son. 25 don't ever want him to know what I have done. Page 658 1 school? 2 A. Yes, I did. 3 Q. How inch have you saved? 4 MR. EDWARDS: Form. 5 THE WITNESS: It's none of your business. 6 BY MR. LUTTIER: 7 Q. Where's the money? 8 A. None of your business. 9 MR. EDWARDS: Form. 10 BY MR.. LUTTIER: 11 Q. Got it in a bank account? 12 MR. EDWARDS: Form. 13 'ME WITNESS: It's none of your business. 14 BY Kt. LUTTIER: 15 Q. Well, how are we going to test the 16 credibility of what you say when you say you saved 17 money unless we know where it is? 18 A. Who cares? Who gives a shit if you, if I save 19 money or not and if I -- you know, the money I saved, 20 who cares. You got money? 21 Q. Well, your justification as I understand 22 it for doing what you do is so that you can save 23 money to go to school, is that right? 24 A. Yeah, and sorry son can go to Christian 25 school. (561) 832-7500 PROSE COURT REPORTING 40 (Pages 655 to 658) AGENCY, INC.. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (8014514184934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (801-051-978-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (801 451476-2934) b5542fet•d299-4e41-9ba6-85aad27f4405 EFTA01108891
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Page 659 1 Q. So, I am asking you, did you save money 2 and if so where is the money? 3 MR. EDWARDS: Form. 4 THE WITNESS: Yeah. 1 saved money and 3 it's under my bed. 6 MR. EDWARDS: Don't be sarcastic. Just give him an answer, the truth. 3 THE WITNESS: No, Fm not. It's under my 9 bed with rubber-bands. 10 BY MR. LUTTIER: 11 Q. All right. Well, how much have you saved 12 then since it's under your bed? 13 MR. EDWARDS: Object to the form. 14 BY MR. LUTTIER: 15 Q. How much have you saved? 16 MR. EDWARDS: Form, asked and answered. 17 Harassing at this point. 18 BY MR. LUTTIER: 19 Q. Do you have a record of it anywhere? 20 A. Nope. I have headache. 21 Q. Have you ever applied, applied for 22 financial assistance at any college or university? 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. Where did you apply for assistance? 25 A. Through the Academy of Health and Beauty. 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 660 Q. And did you get any financial aide? A. Yep. Q. What? A. Yeah. Q. Was that the loan you described earlier? A. Yes. Q. So, you have been able to finance your education by simply applying for financial aide? A. Correct. Q. So, you didn't have to do what you're doing in order to go to college. A. Thad to finance and then I had to make the money back to pay for it. I don't have a mommy and daddy that takes care of me and I am not going to be working at Burger King. Q. What's wrong with working at Burger King? A. You make $7 an hour. Q. And thafs really why you do what you want to do is you don't want to go get a job that pays less than the amount of money you can make doing what you do, isn't that right? A. No, you're wrong. MR. EDWARDS: Object to the form. BY MR. LUTHER: Page 661 1 A 1 Ma 2 Q. How many jobs have you applied for? 3 A. I used to work at Revitese Day Spa being an 4 esthetician. 5 Q. How many — in the last two years, how 6 many jobs have you applied for? 7 A. I actually worked under the table for the Post B Office sending out things for amazon.com. I do side 9 jobs. I do cleaning jobs. There is a lot of jobs I do 10 to make money. 11 Q. First of all, my question was how many 12 jobs have you applied for in the last two years? 13 A. In the last two years probably five, and I 14 have got them all. 15 Q. Okay. Where did you, where did you put in 16 your applications for these five jobs? 17 A. One for a personal place, amazon.com. 18 Q. What do you mean a personal place? 19 A. Amazon.com and then E-Bay. 20 Q. Wait a minute. Is, is the personal place 21 that you applied something different than 22 amazon.com? 23 A. No. Ifs just amazon.com. 24 Q. So, the big company, amazon.com, you 25 submitted an application? Page 662 1 A. Yeah. 2 Q. And did you get hired? 3 A. Yep. 4 Q. Okay. How much did they pay you? 5 A Fifteen bucks an hour. 6 Q. So, you were able to get jobs in the labor 7 market just like everybody else, right? 8 A. Yeah. 9 Q. Where else did you apply? 10 A. I have applied Revitese Day Spa. 11 Q. Where? 12 A. Revitese Day Spa. 13 Q. Okay. In the last two years? 14 A. Yeah. 15 Q. And did you get hired? 16 A. Yep. 17 Q. And how much did they pay you? 18 A. Twelve an hour. 19 Q. Okay. So, you can get that job. Are you 20 still working for amazon.com? 21 A. No. 22 Q. Why did you quit? 23 A. It was seasonal. 24 Q. Are you still forking for Revitese Day Q. You could go work at Bur Kit2A riet? 2 5 Spa? (561) 832-7500 41 (Pages 659 to 662) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Bectronteeliy signed by eynthia hopkins (601.061.978-2934) Electronically signed by Cynthia hopkins (601.061.976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601.061.976-2934) b5542fef-d299.4e41-9ba6-85aad2714405 EFTA01108892
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Page 663 Page 665 1 A. Nope. 2 Q. Why did you quit? 3 A. The economy just went down and she only could 4 hire me three days out of the week so — Q. Where else did you apply in the last two 6 years? 7 A. I always sell stuff on ebay. 8 Q. Well, that's not an application, is it? 9 A. Well, you got to sign up to get on ebay. 10 Q. That's just you selling stuff that you 11 have on ebay? 12 A. Okay. Well, if that's how you want it. 13 Q. Where else have you applied for a job? 14 A. I've been at Petco and they paid me under the 15. table. 16 Q. When did you apply fora job at Petco? 17 A. Last year. 18 Q. What did you do for them? 19 A. I washed the dogs. 20 Q. Okay. How much did you get paid? 21 A. That was like $9 an hour. 22 Q. Okay. Where else did you apply? 23 A. Cats Gymnastics. 24 Q. What did you do there? 25 A. I was one of the instructors for the four and 1 A. Ten dollars an hour. 2 Q. And when was the last time you did that? 3 A. Like before I went to New York. 4 Q. And whose houses, did you clean the same 5 clients' houses? 6 A. It's just actually friends' houses. 7 Q. Anyplace else you've applied for work? 8 A. No, that I can recall. 9 Q. You said you worked for the U.S. Postal 10 Service. Did I hear that? 11 A. Well, that was for, that's incorporated with 12 amazon.com. 13 Q. The United States Post Office never 14 employed you, did they? 15 A. That is in — intertwined with amazon.com. 16 Q. My -- listen to my question. The United 17 States Post Office never employed you, did they? 18 A. No. I didn't apply for the U.S. Post Office, 19 so they couldn't deny me. 20 Q. Well, you suggested they were paying you 21 under the table. The United States Post Office 22 never paid you under the table. 23 A. I never, l never worked for the U.S. Post 24 Office, sir. So keep on bring it up so we can keep on 25 going over it again. Page 664 1 five-year-old group. 2 Q. And, and how much did you get paid for 3 that? 4 A. Nine dollars an hour. 5 Q. And are you still working there? 6 A. No. 7 Q. Why not? 8 A. Because it's not paying the bills. 9 so, you quit? 10 A. Yeah. 11 Q Did you quit Petco? 12 A No. 13 Q. Did they fire you? 14 A. No. 15 Q. Still there? 16 A No. 17 Q. What happened? 18 A. They, they just needed help fora couple 19 months. 20 Q. Okay. Any other places you have applied 21 for jobs? 22 A. I clean houses 23 Q. For who? 24 A. —once in a while. For people. 25 Q. How much do toticet paid to clean a house? .(561) 832-7500 • Page 666 1 THE WITNESS: What time is it? 2 MR. EDWARDS: You got time. It's 5. 3 BY MR. LUTTIER: 4 Q. Do you still have an adult entertainment 5 license? 6 A. Yep. 7 Q. Is it current? 8 A. I don't know. I don't use it. 9 Q. Were you provided with a copy of a 10 document that's called a proposal for settlement in 11 this case? 12 A. I don't know: Was 1? 13 Q. I mean l can show it to you. !don't want 14 to mark it on the I don't want to have it in the 15 record because I don't want it to be a — but I will 16 show it to you so you can recognize the document. 17 Let me just show you the document. 18 • . A. You can't help me. 19 Q. Just go ahead and read it. 20 A. Jeffrey Epstein is not admitting, he is in 21 fact denying all liability or responsibility because he 22 did it - 23 THE COURT REPORTER: If you could read -- 24 MR. EDWARDS: Just read it to yourself 25 because if you say the words, she has to take 42 (Pages 663 to 666) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601481-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-081-976-2934) b55421e1-c1299.4e41-9ba6-85aad2714405 EFTA01108893
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Page 667 Page 669 1 them down. 2 THE WITNESS: Oh, okay. I don't want to 3 read anymore. I'm good. 4 BY MR. LI/171ER: 5 Q. Did you see that — 6 A. Yeah. 7 Q. Have you seen that before today? 8 A. You know what, send Jeffrey to jail for 20 9 years and then I will take zero dollars. I need 10 justice. I want what's fair for all of us, for all of 11 us guts. 12 Q. What you want is money, right? 13 A. No. I want justice and 1 want what's fair. 14 And what's fair is that he should serve jail time. He 15 didn't sense jail time forme and my girlfriends. He 16 sat with his little rich bus 17 Q. And who told you that? 18 A. — in a little office doing community service 19 which was probably nothing for him because money talks. 20 And you know what, I want justice. So, I tell you what, 21 give me no money right now and send Jeffrey to jail for 22 20 years, and lwill walk out of here with a smile from 23 ear to ear. 24 Q. Have you ever gone to jail, ma'am? 25 A. Nope. 1 A. 2 Q. Do you — well, other than the fact that 3 you're out tmtil 5:00 -- 4 A. Actually, I tun prescribed'. 5 Q. Other, other than the fact that you're out 6 until 5:00 in the morning at strip clubs, do you 7 have any problem sleeping? 8 A. Oh, you're so cute. I have trouble sleeping 9 over Jeffrey, yeah. :0 Q. Well, I mean, it doesn't keep you from 11 going out to Spearmint Rhino's until 5:00 in the 12 morning, does it? 13 A. It keeps me up. 14 Q. Okay. 1 5 A. People got to do what you got to do. Just 16 like you got sit here and defend a child molester, you 17 know. I got sit here and go to Speannint Rhino and make 18 money, too. What's the difference, right? 19 Q. Now, you testified lest time that you were 20 a call girl with others. With whom else were you a 21 call girl? 22 A. Girls. I don't know. 23 Q. What are their names? 2 4 A. Fruity-Tutty. I don't know. They have stage 2 5 names. I really could not tell you. Page 668 1 Q. You don't know how long Mr. Epstein was in 2 jail, do you? 3 A. Hamad he was in jail for 18 months but -- 4 Q. You don't know what it was like in jail, 5 do you? 6 A. Oh, God. For Jeffrey, poor old Jeffrey, oh, 7 he went to jail because he molested over 100 little 8 girls. I hope he was molested or rapped, whatever the 9 definition is. He needs more torture than that, jail. 10' Yeah, he needs to stay in there for 20 years, not 18 11 months. 12 Q. What do you think you should do as a 13 result of you having taken a bunch of your best 14 friends and girlfriends and knowing exactly what was 15 going to happen in taking them to Jeffrey Epstein? 16 A. Call all of them and say, I am sorry,1 was 13 17 years old, I apologize for being naive and a stupid 18 little girl and I hope that everybody can get 19 counseling. And 1 hope that everybody can get served 20 justice. I hope we can see Jeffrey's face in the 21 newspaper saying that finally this jerk-off is in jail 22 for 20 years, and now all of us can go to sleep 23 'peacefully. 24 Page 670 1 Q. Well, did you guys work together? 2 A. A few times. 3 Q. And when you say you worked together, what 4 does that mean? 5 A. That we worked together. 6 Q. Does that mean the two of you would go out 7 with one person or you meant the two of you would 8 nm a service together? 9 A. Run a service together, what does that mean? 10 Q. Well, I don't know. Tell me how you and 11 your, any other girl worked together in the escort 12 business or the call-girl business? 13 A. Either we would make, you know, we would 14 either call two guys and go out with two guys, have a 15 nice diluter, get paid for it, orwe would go together 16 and have one guy pay for it or — 17 Q. Well, this is, your answer was we were all 18 call girls together. That means you were having sex 19 with guys, right? 20 MR. EDWARDS: Object to the form. 21 THE WITNESS: No. 22 BY MR. LUTTIER: 23 Q. Oh, a call girl to you doesn't indicate 24 you were having sex? 25 A. No, sir. (561) 832-7500 43 (Pages 667 to 670) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 Electronically signed by Cynthia hopkins (801-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by Cynthia hopkins (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by synth's hopkins (801-061-976-2934) b5542fef-d299-4o41-9ba6.85aad2714406 EFTA01108894
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7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 671 Q. Well, when you were, before you were doing 2 your escort service, when you were doing escort 3 services for others, you were having sex with your 4 clients, weren't you? A. Sometimes. So, will Jeffrey go to jail for 20 6 years if he gives nobody money or he can't stand it? 7 Q. Have you sold any interest in this lawsuit S to anybody? 9 A. No. 10 Q. In other words have you received money 11 from anybody and in return given them an interest in 12 this lawsuit? 13 A. No. 14 Q. Have you received any money or any other 15 kind of consideration from any company with respect 16 to this lawsuit? 17 A. No. 18 Q. Any attorney with respect to this lawsuit? 19 A. No. 20 Q. Any other person with respect to this 21 lawsuit? 22 A. No. 23 Q. Have you been provided any money advances, 24 that is money — 25 A. No. 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 Page 673 CERTIFICATE OF OATH THE STATE OF FLORIDA COUNTY OF PALM BEACH the undersigned authority, certify that M. personally appeared before me and was duly sworn on the 9th day of February, 2010. Dated this 19th day of February, 2010. Cynthia Hopkins, RPR, FPR 17 Notary Public - State of Florida My Commission Expires: February 25, 2011 My Commission No.: DD 643788 Page 672 Q. — as an advance against an outcome in 2 return for a sharing of the percentage of it? 3 A. No. Q. Have you assigned any interest in this lawsuit to anyone? A. No. MR. LUTTIER: Okay. Fm done. Any cross? MR. EDWARDS: We'll read. THE V1DEOGRAPHER: Going off the record at 5:05 p.m. This is the end of Tape 3 of the deposition. THE COURT REPORTER: Do you want to order this? MR. LUTT1ER: Yes. THE COURT REPORTER: Would you like a core MR. EDWARDS: Yes, please. (Witness excused.) (Deposition was concluded.) 1 2 3 4 CERTIFICATE THE STATE OF FLORIDA COUNTY OF PALM BEACH 5 ;Cynthia Hopkins, Registered Professional Regency. Florida Professional Repents and Notary 6 Public in and for the State of Florida at large, do hereby otraly that I v.as authorized to and did 7 report said deposition in stenotype and that the foregoing pages arc a true and cornet transcription 8 of my shorthand notes of said deposition 9 I further cent!), that said deposition usts talsnat the tirne and pace hereinabove set forth 10 and that the taking of said deposition was commenced and completed as hereinabove set out. I Ratter certify that lam not anocney or 12 camel of any of the ponies, nor am a relative or employee of any anerney or counsel of party 13 connected with the action, nor am I financially interested in the amen. 14 The foregoing cendicatke of this transcript 15 does not *ply to any reproduction of the same by any meal., Wan' under the dinxt control andfix 16 direction of the certifying reporter. 17 Dated this 19th day of February. 2010 113 19 20 11 21 qA gme, AS ia Hopkins, 22 23 24 25 Page 674 (561) 832-7500 44 (Pages 671 to 674) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561)'832-7506 Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-0614764934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601451-976-2934) Electronically signed by cynthia hopkins (601-061-976-2934) b5542lol-d299.4044-9ba6-135and27f 4405 EFTA01108895
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Page 675 Page 677 I DATE: February 19th, 2030 2 TO. do IAD I. EDWARDS, ESQUIRE 3 FARMER, JAFFE, WEISSING. EDWARDS FISTOS & LEBRMAN. a 41$ Nonh Anshan Avenue Suite 2 5 CASE. NO. CA02205I =OMB RE: vs. Epstein PortC e. Florid' 33101 5 AB Phase take nctesc dal on Tawdry. the 9th of February. 20)0. you gam your deposition lathe abo.e-refinsed mina At that sum; au did not watt ligature. It it now neassay that yea sign you deposition As meant agreed to, the transcript all be : 0 (trashed to you Pro* stout counsel Max read the (oilcan instruolioas carefully. At the end of the transcript you all find in arra sheet As you read you( depOtihon, any t 2 changes or careahoos that you with to make should be noted on the errata that, ding page and his 13 samba of raid things DO NC' wad On the VXMCrird itself. Once you law read the 14 transciipt al need any chmga. be use to Ng and doe the earn tam and return time pages to me If you do not lead and sign the deposition 16 within a reasonabk time, the original. which toe abraly been foiremded n the Wrung attorney, may 17 be filed writ the Oak of the Can lf you ash to waive yaw sigatuir sip your name in the blank 10 arc bottom of his later and tenor it to us 19 Vety aunty yeas. 20 21 22 23 l eo hereby waive my signora 24 2s 15 Cr 49 g ger a 4 5 6 7 8 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 Please forward the original signed meta sheet to this office so that copies may be distnlnued to all 18 panics. 19 Under penalty of pajury, I declare that I have mid my deposition and that it is true and correct 20 subject to any changes in form or substance entered here. 21 22 DATE: 23 24 SIGNATURE OF DEPONENT: 1 ERRATA SHEET 2 IN RE: VS. EPSTEIN 3 DEPOSITIOHopl N OF: arl i ft, PPR CE: TAKEN: February , i 0 DO NOT WRITE ON TRANSCRIPT - ENTER CHANGES HERE 1 PAGE t LINEN CHANGE REASON I I I 25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 676 CERTIFICATE THE STATE OF FLORIDA COUNTY OF PALM BEACH I hereby certify that I have read the foregoing deposition by me given, and that the statements contained herein are true and correct to the best of my knowledge and belief, with the exception of any corrections or notations made on the errata sheet, if one was executed. Dated this day of 2009. (561) 832-7500 ar- 45 (Pages 675 to 67.7) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. (561) 832-7506 I Electronically signed by cynthia honking; (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cyMhia hopkIns (601-051-976-2934) Electronically signed by cymhla hopkIns (601-051.976.2934) b5542fel-c1299-4O41-9ba6.B5aad27f44O6 EFTA01108896
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