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THE WETNESS: Is that convenient, I mean 
MR. EDWARDS: Answer it. 
THE WITNESS: From, the first thing that 
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A. Sexual intercourse. 
Q. Just straight sexual intercourse? 
A. Correct. 
Q. Did you have anal intercourse with 
anybody? 
A. No way. 
Q. Sex with other females? 
A. Have I ever? 
Q. Yeah. 
A. Yeah. 
Q. Okay. Did you ever do it when you were 
employed as an escort service? 
A. Have I ever done it in what year? 
Q. As part of this escort — well, let's talk 
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Was it just two —
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remember the first girl. 
Q. Do you remember about how many -- did it 
happen with any degree of frequency? 
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THE WITNESS: No. 
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Q. This was consensual, correct? 
A. Yes. 
Q. All your oral sex with other people was 
oonsanual? 
A. Yes. 
Q. By the way, have you ever been raped? 
A. By Jeffrey Epstein. 
Q. And how were you raped by Jeffrey Epstein? 
A. Well, he took advantage of me since 1 was 13, 
14, 15, and then 17 years old, he took advantage of me. 
Q. Do you know what the definition of rape 
is? 
A. What's the definition of rape? 
Q. I am just asking, do you know what the 
definition of rape is? 
A. Well, to me the definition of rape is taking 
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A. Excuse me. Yes. 
Q. When was that? 
A. I was probably just turning, just -- I, I was 
14. 
Q. Just turning 14? 
A. I was 14. 
Q. Do you know — you started by saying "just 
turning.° If I remember correctly — I can look up 
your birthday here. Lees see. Your birthday is 
July 26, 1988? 
A. Correct. 
Q.. So, with whom did you have this first 
sexual encounter with j male? 
A. His name wasIM. 
Q. And what sexual encounter did you have? 
A. Sexual intercourse. 
Q. Just straight sexual intercourse? 
A. I lost my virginity. 
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A. No. 
Q. When was last time you had sex with a 
female? 
A. I don't remember. 
Q. So, did you have sex with. 
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were in New York? 
A. No. 
When was the last time you had sex with 
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This year, no. 
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A. I've only done this a couple of times. Yes, 
it was females I knew. 
Q. Were these -- did you ever have any female 
escort service clients? 
A. Yeah, that's what I am talking about. 
Q. In other words instead of a man calling 
you, a female would call you? 
A. No. 
Q. That's what I meant. 
A. No. 
Q. So, the females were only in conjunction 
with a male calling you? 
A. Correct. 
Q. All right. How many, roughly, I !mow you 
don't know exactly, in 2007, how many clients did 
you have in your escort business? 
A. I have no idea. 
Q. Hundreds? 
A. Maybe. 
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Oh, '07. 
Do you know who you got it from? 
Yes. 
Another boyfriend? 
Yeah. 
Just had one bout Ma? 
Excuse me --
Just had one occasion ofM? 
Yes. 
Any other sexually transmitted diseases? 
No. 
Q. Never have -- have you ever been tested 
for herpes? 
A. Yes. 
Q. Tested for Aids? 
A. Yes. 
Q. Anybody ever accuse you of transmitting a 
sexually transmitted disease to them? 
A. No. 
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Q. Well, I mean, you're happy to have your 
child, right? 
A. So 
A. It was a one-night stand with a cop and the 
condom had broke. I was contemplating whether to keep 
the baby or not, but I didn't want that child to not 
have a father. 
Q. By then you'd had your son? 
A. Yeah. 
Q. And you recognized at that point at least 
the, the joys of having a boy, correct? 
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A. No, I, I figured out that I was late on my 
period for two months. So, I figured that 1 was 
pregnant, took a pregnancy test and went to the doctor 
to get checked out, and they told me I had.... 
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reaction when the dos 
said you had 
A. Hurry up. Get me cured. I need to have this 
baby healthy. 
Q. Was it upsetting to you? 
A. Yeah, of course. 
Q. I, I mean, did you think among other 
things that your, that, that your then boyfriend, 
the father of your child must have been out having 
sex with somebody other than you? 
A. Before he was, yeah. But when we were dating, 
no. 
Q. And did you all — what kind of argument 
did you and he have about that? 
A. I just told him we need to get 
I wasn't 
worried about hint. I was worried about my child. We 
needed to get it cured and we did. 
Q. Now, being pregnant at 16, I — is it safe 
to say that's not what you planned in life? 
A. It's not what I planned. 
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Q. So, what sort of thought process, what 
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through in making the decision that you were going 
to abort the child in February of '09? 
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worked and made money to support my son plus another 
baby without a father. 
Q. What do you mean working in the business? 
You mean as an escort? 
A. Yes. 
Q. Did you discuss it with the father? 
A. It was a one-night, it was a one-night stand 
with a cop. 
Q. I mean did you tell him that you were 
pregnant by him? 
A. No. 
Q. So this fellow doesn't even know that you 
were carrying his child? 
A. No. 
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pregnant for a couple of months? 
A. Of course. 
Q. Any thought process that you had about not 
telling the father of the child? 
A. It was a one-night stand with a cop. I don't 
even know him. 
Q. Well, you must have known him long enough 
to have sex with him, right? 
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THE WITNESS: I was out that night drunk 
and so was he. He picked me up, and we had 
sex, condom broke. I found out I was pregnant 
three weeks later and that's that. 
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When were you-all? Where did you hook up 
with each other? 
A. Dr. Feelgoods. 
Q. Down on Clematis? 
A. Yes. 
Q. Had you ever met the guy before? 
A. No. 
Q. Did you know, do you know his name? 
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A. Yes. 
Q. Who took you them? 
A. My friend T.J. 
And who is T.J.? 
A. A friend of mine. 
Q. Male or female? 
A. Male. 
Q. Okay. Would you describe that as a 
traumatic event for you. making that decision and 
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A. Of course. Of course. 
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Q. Was that a planned pregnancy? 
A. Nope, I just, I just recently started dating 
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Q. The same gynecologist take care of you for 
that? 
A. No, Itthawntwala 
A. No. 
Q. Do you know among the people that you know 
that also went to Jeffrey Epstein, do you know of 
other girls that have had abortions? 
A. No. 
Q. Do you know if.. 
has had an abortion? 
A. No. 
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A. I think he lives in both places. 
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A. Yes. 
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A. He just gave it to me. He's litre, here, go 
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shopping, do whatever. 
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hung out? 
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this New York trip? 
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company? 
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get paid any money? 
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as well? 
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A. No. 
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Q. noose. do the same thing you do? 
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A. No. 
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.., is she in the escort 
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was like our master. 
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Q. All you know is what she told you she did, 
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right? 
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A. Yes. And then Jeffrey also told me that she 
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came back many times after that 
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were afraid of Jeffrey? 
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ve told... I am afraid of Jeffrey. I 
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everyone knows I am afraid of Jeffrey and 
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after you filed the lawsuit? 
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my son was going to be taken way from me. 
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anybody you were afraid of Jeffrey Epstein until you 
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filed this lawsuit? 
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A. I didn't say anything. .I didn't say a word. 
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maybe talking on the phone? 
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A. I 'mow that she was scared. Jeffrey told her, 
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you know, don't, don't tell anybody. And he was like 
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our master. Whatever he told us to do, we did. We were 
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calling us on the phone, give me another girl, give me 
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Q. When you were questioned by the FBI, you 
specifically told them that Jeffrey Epstein was a 
nice guy and you didn't have any fear of him? 
A. Yeah, and then the next day I told my son's 
father I'm definitely afraid of Jeffrey Epstein and I'm 
scared my son's going to taken away from me. 
Q. Well, speaking of having your son taken 
away from you, you said in your last deposition you 
were familiar with the agency called DCF? 
A. Yes. 
MR. EDWARDS: Form. 
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Q. That's Department of Children and 
Families? 
A. Yes. 
Q. And what was your involvement with them? 
MR. EDWARDS: Object to the form. 
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domestic violence. My ex-boyfriend had, went 
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boyfriend was this? 
Q. And when did this happen? 
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defended myself by hitting him in the nose which made 
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him bleed. And there was blood all over the house. 
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you know, I am going to have to go to parenting 
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classes and I am going have to be vet), careful of 
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the kind of people I bring around my son. 
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A. In Holiday Plaza. 
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Q. Holiday Plaza is what? 
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A. The trailer that I had my son in. 
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Q. Okay. So this was a trailer that you 
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owned or actually your dad owned it, right? 
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A. Yeah. 
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Q. What is it that you want to do. 
A. I would love to be a normal person who hangs 
out with people my age and do what I went to college 
for. 
Q. What do you mean do what you went to 
college for? 
A. I would like to be an esthetician, a massage 
therapist. 
Q. Have you finished your massage therapy 
school? 
A. Yes. 
Q. When did you get, when did you finish 
that? 
A. in late '09. 
Q. Did you pass the test? 
A. Not the nationals. 
Q. Did you get, did you have to take a local 
test or a state test? 
A. Yes. 
Q. Did you pass that? 
A. I didn't take it yet. 
Q. Okay. So you finished your course work 
but you haven't taken the test, right? 
A. Yes. 
Q. So why didn't you take test? 
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but he pushed me around. 
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A. A little bit. 
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 on the ground a couple of 
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nose, and then he decided to spit blood all over the 
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trailer and that was it. And then DCF, I called the 
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cops and that's when DCF got involved because if there 
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is a domestic violence, then if there is a child 
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involved, then DCF comes. 
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about this fellow Bob — by the way, this business 
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that you have, that you're doing, these various 
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things, whether ifs selling Mary Kay, selling 
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shoes, selling lingerie, selling clothes or going 
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out with these men that pay you money, are all of 
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those things that you're currently doing for money 
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things that you have selected to do? 
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A. Yes. 
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the world, are these the things that you want to do? 
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now. I am involved in making money so my son can go to 
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Christian school and try to better myself with this kind 
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of money. This is all I know. Since I was I3, Jeffrey 
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trained me to make money like this and this is all I 
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money, did he? 
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Q. What did he tell you to do? 
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A. To get naked so he can masturbate and 
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ejaculate all over himself and he will pay me money. 
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that fora living, did he? 
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when I was 15 years old, he encouraged me to do that. 
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A. That was Jamie's photo studio. 
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Q. What's a jack shack so the jury will 
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appreciate that? 
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gentlemen go to get happy endings. 
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masturbating? 
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A. Yes. 
Q. Do you massage them first or just 
give just —
A. No. 
Q. So, these are men that come in and you, 
you masturbate them until they ejaculate, is that 
the idea? 
MR. EDWARDS: Object to form. 
THE WITNESS: Yes. 
BY MR. LUT1TER: 
Q. And yoU were doing that at 15, were you? 
A. Yep. 
Q. And that was at -- what was the name of it 
Jamie's Studio? 
A. Yes. 
Q. And where was that located? 
A. Congress and Okeechobee. 
Q. And did you apply for that job? 
A. Yes. 
Q. Who did you apply with? 
A. Mariah. 
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suggest that you 
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introduce you to her? 
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remembered. Vivian told me that I can make a lot of 
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talked to him about it. And I said, well, there is 
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this place that
 be working at and it's pretty 
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tile go for it; you should have a great time, you 
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until today? 
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A. Through a friend. 
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working someplace. Was she working at — 
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was already working there? 
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A. Yes. 
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school with? 
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's ather. 
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heard the conversation. 
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heard the conversation where 
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A. Yes. 
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just bring him girls. 
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you to go interview and get that job, did they? 
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A. Correct. 
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to live a luxury life, why not make money. I could 
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girls from that place. 
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fancy things in life, it took money to get them, 
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right? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. Jeffrey didn't teach you that? You 
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figured that out? 
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A. Yes, he did. 
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there and massaging him: 'would say what do you do for 
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a brain surgeon, that's how he got these things? 
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in front of an old man while he ejaculates and gives me 
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$200 and then gives me $200 an hour later for bringing 
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another girl and then he gives me 200 the next day for 
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dollars in a week. And then I accumulate another 
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thousand dollars the next week, why would I want to be a 
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wanted to continue to do what you were doing? 
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a living. He would say I was a brain surgeon. I would 
say really. Okay, so that's how, that's how you got all 
this stuff when I was massaging him. And he says, yeah, 
you know, successful men, that's why you have successful 
things. 
Q. Okay. So, what he told you was to be 
wealthy and happy you need to be a brain surgeon. 
That's what he told you, right? 
A. He didn't say you had to be a brain surgeon. 
He just said you need to make money. 
Q. Well, no, I thought what you just said was 
when you sat and talked to him he said I ern a brain 
surgeon and that's how you got these things. 
A. I asked him, what do you do for a living. He 
said I am a brain surgeon. 
Q. So, you concluded that if you were a brain 
surgeon, you can acquire these things, right? 
A. No, I concluded that if you make lots of 
money, then you an have nice things. 
Q. Okay. But I mean you would know that, I 
mmm—
A. No. 
Q. It's just common sense. 
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couldn't you. 
A. He scared me. lie said don't tell anybody what 
we're doing. 
Q. Other than you claiming that he said that 
to you, how did he restrict you from doing anything 
you wanted to do? 
A. He said I will be caning you; please, make 
sure you have a girl for me. 
Q. Did you —
A. If you don't have a girl for rile, then I am 
going to be mad. 
Q. Well, did you ever just say, no, I don't 
want to do it anymore? 
A. I had told him, Jeffrey, I don't a have girl 
and he, he would be mad. He said don't ever do that 
again. 
Q. My question — 
A. I would be in his house, and if I brought him, 
if I didn't bring him a girl, and if I just came alone, 
he would say don't ever do that to me again. 
Q. My question is did you ever tell him, no, 
I don't want to do this anymore? 
A. No, I didn't say that. I was scared to say 
that to him. 
Q. Well, you were so afraid that while you 
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A. Correct. 
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didn't he? 
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A.. Correct. 
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A. Correct. 
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told you as long as 
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you're bringing home money, go ahead and do it, 
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didn't he? 
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A. No. 
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Q. Did he say anything like that? 
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A. No. 
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your girl — you being his girlfriend, that you were 
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going --
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A. No. 
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Q. You did have a fake ID at that point? 
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A. Nope. 
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to the FBI was a bad thing to do? 
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lived. He paid the bills. We lived in a trailer. 
Q. And you ran it by him. You said this is 
what I am doing and this is what I am getting paid 
and he said he didn't care? 
A. Yes. 
Q. And then along came this opportunity after 
this card game for you to go to work in what you 
call a jack shack, right? 
A. Because I could hardly find any more girls for 
Jeffrey, so, yeah, and he encouraged me to bring girls 
from the jack shack to him. 
Q. And 
encouraged you to go 
take that job, too --
A. Not at all. 
had nothing to do. 
He was not my master. I was not intimidated by 
Q. You wanted to get that extra money, didn't 
you? 
A. Yes, I dld. 
Q. Okay. So, now you're 15 and you go to see 
Vivian. Or, no, you go see this Marie at this —
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A. Yes. 
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Q. Were you fully clothed? 
15 
A. No. 
16 
Q. What were you wearing? 
17 
A. I kept my panties on. 
18 
Q. Okay. So you were topless? 
19 
A. Yes. 
20 
Q. And so a guy would come in, somebody you 
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didn't know at all, right? 
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A. Correct. 
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Q. And you would, you would jerk him off? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. All right. And bow many of those would 
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you do a day? 
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A. One, two, three, or four. 
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Q. And how much did you get paid for that? 
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A. $40. 
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Q. And did you ever do anything other than 
8 
that? 
9 
A. I gave oral sex there. 
10 
Q. How much did you get for that? 
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A. Ninety. 
12 
Q. So you got more money for that than you 
13 
did for just Jerking the guy off? 
14 
A. Yes. 
15 
Q. And how much money would you make in a 
16 
day? 
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A. I don't know because ifs not — I am not 
18 
working on a salary. I am not working on a set price 
19 
here. Whatever client came in, if a client came in and 
20 
he wanted me to jack him off, then I would make $40 for 
21 
that day. 
22 
Q. Okay. 
23 
A. If a client, two clients came in, and they 
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both wanted oral sex, I would make 180. 
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Q. Okay. And they would pay you cash? 
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Q. Would people schedule appointments with 
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you? 
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A. No. 
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MR. CRITTON: We have to change the tape. 
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MR. LUTT1ER: Okay. 
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12:16 p.m. This is the end of Tape 1. 
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record at 12:18 p.m. This is the start of 
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Q. Was Jamie's studio the first business of 
14 
that nature that you worked at? 
15 
A. Yes. 
16 
Q. Now, you had, you had masturbated males 
17 
before you worked at Jamie's studio, right? 
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A. Jeffrey, I have not masturbated but I've 
19 
worked for Jeffrey. 
20 
Q. But no, you — my question was you had 
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masturbated males prior to working at Jamie's 
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studio, hadn't you? 
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A. Not for money. 
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Q. That wasn't my question. You had 
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masturbated —
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A. Cash. 
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Q. Put the money in your pocket? 
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A. Put the money in my pocket but I had to pay 
4 
Mariah. 
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Q. How much did you have to pay her? 
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A. From what I recall $30. 
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Q. Per client? 
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A. It depends on — day. So, it was, Iwotdd 
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charge them $100 for the room, and I would have to pay 
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her 60 and I would get 40 for just to jack someone off. 
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Q. Now, did you have regular clients that 
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would come? 
13 
A. Yeah. 
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Q. How many days a week did you work there? 
15 
A. Maybe four. 
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Q. And how long would a day be? 
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A. Seven hours. 
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Q. You'd literally sit there for seven hours? 
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A. Literally sit there for seven hours. 
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Q. And how long, how many clients would you 
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see in seven hours? 
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A_ I told you this once before, one, maybe two, 
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maybe three, maybe four. 
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Q. Ina seven-hour period? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. All right. Do you remember when you first 
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masturbated your first male? 
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A- No. 
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Q. Do you remember who it was? 
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A. I told you, 
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Q. Well, hadn't you, in fact, masturbated a 
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male before you ever went to Jeffrey Epstein? 
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A. Have I masturbated a male before Jeffrey 
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Epstein? I was 13. Yeah. 
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Q. And do you remember how far before? Was 
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it like a year or so before that? 
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A. No, it was like right before Jeffrey. 
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Q. And that you had seen, by that time in 
15 
your life you had seen people perform masturbation 
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on males, had you not? 
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A. No. 
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A. I think I like took a look at it one time and 
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it was not forme. 
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Did you ever tell anybody ever in your 
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life that your mother showed you pornography to 
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teach you how to please men? 
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A. No. 
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Q. Did you ever make that statement or 
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anything similar to that statement to anyone at any 
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tune in your entire life? 
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A. No. Why the heck would my mother.--
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Q. Did, did you ever tell anyone at any time 
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in your life that your mother was a prostitute? 
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A. No. 
7 
Q. So, when you went to see Jeffrey Epstein 
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for the first time and you said he masturbated in 
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your presence, that wasn't the first time you'd seen 
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that done, right? 
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A. Excuse me? 
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Q. When you went to Jeffrey Epstein for the 
13 
first time and you say he masturbated in your 
14 
presence that, that wasn't something you had not 
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seen before? 
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MR. LUTTIER: It was not something that 
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you had — it was not something you had not 
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seen. Let me rephrase it. You'd seen —
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MR. EDWARDS: I'm confused. 
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Q. You had seen a male masturbate before you 
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went to Jeffrey Epstein for the first time, hadn't 
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you? 
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A. Yes. 
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sit here right now. 
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A. I was with my, my boyfriend all 2000, all 
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2009. 
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Q. 
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A. 
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Q. 
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2009? 
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A. 
9 
Q. You are absolutely sure of that? 
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A. Yeah. 
11 
Q. Have you ever allowed anyone to take your 
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car and go to what you've described as a jack shack? 
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A. I definitely let people use my car. 
14 
Q. Have you ever allowed anybody to take your 
15 
car to a jack shack? 
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A. I let people use my car. If they decide to go 
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to a jack shack, I don't know. 
18 
Q. In the year — 
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A. I am a nice person. I lend, !lend my car 
20 
out, yes, I do. 
21 
Q. In the year 2010, okay, which is now a 
22 
little over 30 days old —
23 
A. Uh-huh. 
24 
Q. — have you been to ajack shack? 
25 
A. I've been to gentlemen's clubs to sell my 
Doesn't change my question. 
I didn't work at a jack shack 2009. 
Have you ever been in one since January of 
No. 
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work at any other establishment that was a similar 
3 
type of establishment to that? 
4 
A. Yes, and we went through this the last 
5 
deposition. 
6 
Q. Okay. Well, which ones did you work in? 
7 
You might remember you asserted a lot of objections 
8 
last time. 
9 
A. Okay. Weil, you name them off to me and I 
10 
will tell you. 
11 
Q. So, which ones. I can give you a list of 
12 
them. Just tell me the last one you worked at. 
13 
A. Name them off to me. I can't remember. 
14 
Q. When was the last one that you worked at? 
15 
A. I cannot remember. 
16 
Q. I want, I want to be fair to you. 
17 
A. Okay. 
18 
Q. Let's start with this, let's start in the 
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year, from January 1 of 2009 to the present tell me 
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which establishment you worked at that are similar 
21 
to Jamie's studio? 
22 
A. 2009? 
23 
Q. What you referred to as jack shacks. 
24 
A. 2009? 
25 
Sys, 
January I of 2009 to the minute you 
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shoes and my purses and my —
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Q. What gentlemen's club? 
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A. I've been to Spearmint Rhino. I've been to 
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Flashdance. I've been to Pompano Cheetah. I've been to 
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any strip club 1 can drive by. 
6 
Q. Well, you — would you go to those in the 
daytime or would you go there at night? 
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A. Bold, am. and p.m. 
9 
Q. Well, let's start, lees start with the 
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bottom one, Pompano Cheetah. 
11 
A. Okay. 
12 
Q. You haven't been to it lately, have you? 
13 
A. No. 
14 
Q. Not open now, is it? 
15 
A. Oh, I don't know if it's open or not. 
16 
Q. Did you go to it since January of 2010? 
17 
A. No. 
18 
Q. Okay. Have you gone to Flashdance since 
19 
January, 2010? 
20 
A. To sell stuff. yes. 
21 
Q. Well, we're going to get to why you went 
22 
there. But you admit that you went to Flashdance 
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since January of 2010? 
24 
A. Yep. 
25 
Q. And how many times have you been there? 
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A. A few times. 
Q. And how many is a few? 
A. A few, like three, four. 
Q. Okay. And was it in the day or night? 
A. Flashdance, at night. 
Q. Okay. And what did you do on each of the 
occasions when you went there? 
A. i walk in there. One time I just went there 
to hang out. 
Q. I don't know what you mean by just to hang 
out? 
A. Just to hang out to have a couple drinks. 
Q. Okay. Now, Flashdance is a topless bar? 
A. Yes. 
Q. So, and this is in 2010? 
A. Yeah. 
Q. And why would you just be going to a 
topless bar to hang out and have drinks. Did you 
have friends you were meeting there? 
A. No. 
Q. So, you just picked out of all of the bars • 
in Palm Beach County, you elected, the one you 
wanted to go to was the Flashdance topless bar? 
A. Yes. 
Q. And why was that? 
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A. Who cares if I went to Flashdance. 
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Q. There are a lot of bars out there that are 
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A. What does it matter if I went to Flashdance or 
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not. What does it matter if I went to Flashdance that 
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night or not? Really, what does it matter? 
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Q. I can't answer your question. I am just 
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taking a deposition. 
9 
A. Okay. 
10 
Q. So, you can't articulate any reason why 
11 
you went to Flashdance? 
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THE WITNESS: I went to have a couple of 
14 
drinks. 
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16 
Q. And who did you join for this? 
17 
A. I am allowed to do that. 
18 
Q. • And who did you have drinks with? 
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A. Me, myself, and I. 
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Q. Did you tip anybody? 
24 
A. No. 
25 
Q. Did you talk to anybody you knew there? 
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A. It was the decision I made that night 
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Q. So, you were comfortable going into a 
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topless bar, right? i mean, you worked in than 
4 
before, right? 
5 
A. Yeah 
6 
Q. So, then you thought going in that and 
7 
watching women get naked and dance for men and do 
8 
lap dances and all that was all okay, right? 
9 
A. I sit at the bar. I don't have to watch the 
10 
women. i have a couple of drinks and I leave. 
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Q. Well, why would you pick a topless bar as 
12 
opposed to the Carousel at CityPlace, for example? 
13 
A. Because my house is closer to there. 
14 
Q. Okay. And you're going to tell me that's 
15 
the only bar near your house? 
16 
A. No, but I would rather be around, you know, at 
17 
that time maybe I wanted to be around people my age 
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rather than, you know, an older man that time. I don't 
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know. 
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Q. Well, Clematis Street right down here in 
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West Palm Beach is full of bars with people your 
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age. 
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A.. Yeah, but it's not close 
Flashdance is 
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closer to me. 
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Q. Well, there's a lot of bars out there 
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A. Yeah, I talked to a couple of people that I 
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knew. 
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Q. And who was that? 
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A. There was one girl Marium, but I don't even 
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know if that's her real name. And then a couple guys 
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that I've seen. They're associates, i mean, I saw in 
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the past. 
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Q. What do you mean by associates? 
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A. Like people that i don't, that are not my 
10 
friends, that i just saw in the past. 
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Q. Well, !mean, do you use the word 
12 
associate to define somebody that you just 
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physically saw? 
14 
A. Associates, people I have talked to before. 
15 
Q. So, you would characterize everybody in 
16, 
this room as just an associate because you've talked 
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to us? 
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A. Yeah, like if I saw her, I would say I know 
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her. 
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Q. Were these individuals that you saw there. 
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these couple of guys, people that you had done 
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business with? 
23 
A. No. 
24 
Q. And Murium, how did you know her? 
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A. From a snip club. 
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Q. What club? 
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A. Flashdance. 
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Q. Well, that's the club you were in? 
4 
A. Yeah. 
5 
Q. And how did you know her before that? 
6 
A. From Flashdance. 
7 
Q. Okay. And, and you had made her 
8 
acquaintance because of what? 
9 
A. She came up to me when I was at Flashdance one 
10 
day and said, hi, how are you, and we started a 
11 
conversation. 
12 
Q. Did you ever dance at Flashdance? 
13 
A. No. 
14 
Q. Okay. Spearmint Rhino, when is the last 
15 
time you were there? 
16 
A. Couple of days ago. 
17 
Q. Let's see now. Today is February 9th so 
18 
that would be what day? 
19 
A. I don't 'mow. Like three days ago. 
20 
Q. Okay. And what other places, adult type 
21 
places are located near Spearmint Rhino? 
22 
A. There is Cheetah's down the road. There's a 
23 
couple of, I know there's a couple shops that I stopped 
24 
by that I don't know the names. I know there is 
25 
another, there is like a new Lauren's that I've walked 
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in there and I spend five minutes. If they don't want 
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anything, they tell me to go. And then sometimes I will 
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go in there and, you know, f will sell stuff for two 
4 
hours, or I could stay there all night long and sell 
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stuff. 
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Q. For what period of time were you there 
7 
Saturday night? 
8 
A. Saturday night I probably arrived at like 8:00 
9 
and left at closing. 
10 
Q. Which is what time? 
11 
A. Five, I want to say 5 or 6. 
12 
Q. That's 5 a.m., isn't it? 
13 
A. Yeah. 
14 
Q. So you were there for nine hours? 
15 
A. Yeah. 
16 
Q. Wait, two, seven hours? 
17 
A. Yeah. 
18 
Q. According to you selling shoes and 
19 
lingerie and Mary Kay, right? 
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THE WITNESS: Correct. 
22 
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23 
Q. All right. So tell us how much you sold. 
24 
A. I sold a couple shoes. 
25 
Q. Dollar volume. 
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like island Jack's and try to sell my shoes and purses. 
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Igo anywhere. I go to nail salons. 
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Q. Well, how often do you go to Spearmint 
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Rhinos? 
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A. I go to Spearmint Rhino frequently. 
6 
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Q. How frequently? 
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8 
A. Like once a week. 
8 
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Q. And for what reason did you go Spearmint 
9 
10 
Rhino once a week? 
10 
11 
A- To sell my shoes, my purses, my lingerie„ my 
11 
12 
Mary Kay. 
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Q. Any other reason? 
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14 
A. No. 
14 
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Q. Sella lot of Mary Kay to the dancers? 
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A. Yeah. 
16 
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Q. Now, you say two days ago. Today is the 
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9th. So, are you referring to Sunday night you were 
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at Spearmint Rhino's? 
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A. Sunday night What did I do on Sunday night? 20 • 
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What was I doing Sunday night? No, !think it was 
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Saturday, Saturday night. 
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Q. Okay. And how long were you at Spearmint 
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Rhino's Saturday night? 
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A. 1 stayed there fora while. I, sometimes I go 
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A. $40 shoes, $50 shoes. Lingerie, I sold a lot 
of that. 
Q. How much dollar wise, $100 worth? 
A. Are you trying to, like, get to know, like, 
how much I make? 
Q. I just want to know how much —
A. How much do you make? 
Q. — for this, you know, for this period of 
time that you were there until 5 a.m. in the 
morning? 
A. I don't know. I didn't write it down. I'm 
sorry. 
Q. Well, you must keep track of it, right? 
A. No, I don't. 
Q. Don't you report it for tax reasons? 
MR. EDWARDS: Object to the form. 
THE WITNESS: No, no, I don't. 
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Q. You don't report tax on this? 
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much I bring in from my shoes and stuff. 
Q. Well; you know you've got to pay taxes on 
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A. Yeah. 
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Q. Okay. So, how do you keep a record of It? 
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A. It's in my head. !know --
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Q. Fora year? 
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A. Why not? Yeah. I can estimate. 
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Q. What we you going to do at the end of the 
7 
year in tenns of reporting your sales and how 
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much --
9 
A. Idoit. 
10 
Q. -- how much income you've made so you can 
11 
report properly to the IRS what you owe in taxes? 
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A. Idoit. 
13 
Q. How? 
14 
A. I just told. 
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Q. In your head you remember a year's worth 
16 
of sales? 
17 
A. ram pretty good at that, yeah. 
18 
Q. You've got no documents? 
19 
A. No. 
20 
Q. Okay. But that would be kind of lilce your 
21 
tax returns in '07 and '08 when you said you were 
22 
making $20,000 a year cleaning houses while you were 
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making $2,000 a night as an escort, right? Imam, 
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they probably wouldn't be very accurate, would they? 
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A. Yeah. 
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Q. And, and, and who are the names of the 
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ones you had drinks with? 
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A. Star, Mercedes. 
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Q. And how do you know Star and Mercedes? 
6 
A. From Spearmint Rhino. 
7 
Q. Ever dance with them? 
8 
A. No. 
9 
Q. Okay. What else did you do while you were 
10 
there? 
11 
A. I just told you that's all! did was hang out 
12 
and sell my stuff. 
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Q. Okay. Now, the week immediately before 
14 
that, the previous week, starting February 1st, were 
15 
you at Spearmint Rhino's at any time? 
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A. Yeah. 
17 
Q. Okay. And when was that? 
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A. I can't tell you the specific dates. 
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Q. Okay. Well, how many times during that 
20 
week were you there the first week of February? 
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A. I know I stopped by there ]ice practically 
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every day because some, some people would give me 
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requests like 1 want a pink, you know, a pink top or a 
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blue top so — 
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lingerie that night. 
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THE WITNESS: $150. 
9 
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Q. Okay. So we have got $150 and maybe 40 or 
11 
50 in shoes. Any purses? 
12 
A. No. 
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Q. • Okay. So you were there for, what, seven, 
14 
eight hours, and you made, you sold $200 worth of 
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stuff? 
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A. Yeah. 
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Q. Okay. And what else did you do while you 
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were there? 
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A. Hung out. 
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Q. What do you mean by "hang out*? 
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A. I had a couple of drinks with the bouncers and 
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with the girls. 
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Q. What girls would those be? 
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A. The girls that work there. 
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Q. Dancers, right? 
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A. — I would bring them whatever they wanted. 
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Q. And how long, on those orrasions you went 
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how long did you stay there? 
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A. Anywhere between an hour to five hours. 
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Q. Okay. And how much, in that whole week 
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how much stuff did you sell? 
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A I probably sold $500 worth of stuff. 
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Q. Now, are there other business 
9 
establishments in the same center where Spearmint 
10 
Rhino's is located? 
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A. Yeah, it's like a strip mall. 
12 
Q. What other places are there? What other 
13 
adult type entertainment places are in that same 
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strip mall as Spearmint Rhino's? 
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A. I have no idea because I don't go there. 
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Q. Have you ever been in any of those? 
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A. No. 
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Do you have a name that you use these days 
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A Sometimes. 
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Q. What name would that be? 
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A. Lynn. 
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Q. How about any other names? 
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A. That's it. 
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Q. All ri$trt. I want to make sure we're 
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clear. I want to give you an opportunity. 
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A. Okay. 
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Q. Frail February 1st of 2010 —
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A. February 1st 2010. 
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From January 28th, 2009, until today, that's the 
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period of time I am --
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A. January 28th, 2009. 
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Q. — asking you about. Have you ever been 
10 
in any other business establishment that's located 
11 
in the strip mall where Spearmint Rhino's is? 
12 
A. Nope. I've just been in Spearmint Rhino and 
13 
everything affiliated with that. 
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Q. Well, okay, well, what do you mean 
15 
everything affiliated with that; other businesses 
16 
affiliated with it? 
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A. No, just Spearmint Rhino. 
18 
Q. Like the business right next to it, do you 
19 
know what the name of that business is? 
20 
A. No. 
21 
Q. What other businesses are there that are 
22 
affiliated with Spearmint Rhino? 
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A. There's--
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sure we're clear. You would have no earthly idea 
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why anyone would ever report that you were in 
4 
someplace other than Spearmint Rhino that's located 
5 
in that same location; is that right? 
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A. I have no earthly idea? 
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Q. Right, you have no idea because you were 
8 
never in anyplace there, is that right? 
9 
A. Correct. 
10 
Q. When was the last time you were in a 
11 
facility that you would call a jack shack? 
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A. I don't know. I've been in a couple of places 
13 
like the old Lauren's — it's a new Lauren's on Forest 
14 
Hill and Military selling shoes. 
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Q. No, I said when was the last time you were 
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in a place you would characterize as a jack, as a 
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jack shack? 
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A. That's that, the old Lauren's. 
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Q. So, you would call Lauren's a jack shack? 
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A. I think that's what they do. 
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Q. Now, eject( shack is not occupied by 
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dancers, right? 
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A. I'm not sure. Fm not positive. 
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Q. So-
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A. I'm not going to speak for them. I don't 
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there is like in the back there is a little 
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thing back there in Spearmint Rhino and they 
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have a different, it's, it's just different, 
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ifs affiliated differently. 
BY MR. LUTHER: 
Q. Any other place that you were? 
A. I said no like five times. 
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Q. Okay. Do you know of a, what you have 
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called a jack shack that's located right next door 
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to Spearmint Rhino? 
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A. No. 
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Q. Have you ever heard of a place called I 
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think it's called Fantasies? 
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A. No. 
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Q. Never heard of that? 
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A. No. 
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Q. Have you ever been in that place? 
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A. No.. 
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Q. Could you think of any reason why anyone 
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would report that you were in that location during 
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the period of time that I just said? 
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A. Is it in, is it next to Spearmint Rhino? 
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Q. Yep. 
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A Oh, well, then maybe I should go there and 
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sell shoes. 
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know. 
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Q. Why would you be in Lauren's if ifs a 
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jack shack trying to sell shoes? 
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A. Because women love shoes. 
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Q. Any other jack shacks you have been in 
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within the last two years? 
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A. I stop at every place l know. I stop, like I 
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will drive down Military Trail or I will drive down 
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Okeechobee Trail and if there's a nail salon, if there's 
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a tanning salon, if even people are walking out of CVS, 
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if there is a shop which is a, what you're calling a 
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jack shack, if there is anything like that, women 
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affiliated, I will go there and try to sell Mary Kay. 
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Q. Since January of'09, have you performed 
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any services in a facility that you've termed a jack 
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shack? 
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A. Since January '09, no. 
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Q. January I of'09. You're absolutely sure 
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of that? There is no doubt in your mind. It's 
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not — 
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A. I was with 
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Q. Wait a minute. It's not something you, 
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you just can't remember. You're emphatically 
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denying that ever happened; is that right? 
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THE WITNESS: As of right now I do not 
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remember of any time through January of '09 
that I was in an tick shack, no, because I was 
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Q. Have you ever worked 
A. And he took care of me. 
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Q. -r at Abby's? 
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A. On advice of counsel I am invoking my Fifth 
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Amendment rights under the United States Constitution. 
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Q. Would Abby's qualify as a jack shack? 
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A. I don't 'mow. 
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Q. For what period of time did you work at 
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Abby's? 
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A. I never said t worked at Abby's. 
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Q. Well, did you work at Abby's? 
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A. On advice of counsel I may invoke my Fifth 
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Amendment rights under the United States Constitution. 
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Q. Okay. So did you work in Abby's in, since 
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January 1 of 2009? 
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A. Excuse me? 
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Q. Did you work in Abby's since January 1 of 
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2009? 
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A. No. 
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THE WITNESS: On advice of counsel I am 
invoking my Fifth Amendment rights under the 
United States Constitution. 
BY MR. LUTHER: 
Q. Did you masturbate males in Angels of Palm 
Beaches? 
A. On advice of counsel I am invoking my Fifth 
Amendment rights under the United States Constitution. 
Q. Nobody forced you to work at Angels, did 
they? 
A. On advice of counsel lam invoking my Fifth 
Amendment rights under the United States Constitution. 
Q. 
A. 
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Q. 
A. 
Q. 
A. 
Q. 
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Q. 
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Did you work at Flirts? 
Yes. 
When did you work at Flirts? 
In early '08. 
And what did you do at Flirts? 
Did I private sessions. 
And what is Flirts? 
Flirts is one-on-one private sessions. 
Where is it located? 
Purdy and Military. 
What do you mean by private sessions? 
Pretty much naked company. 
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A. Nope. 
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Q. Have you worked in Angels of the Palm 
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Beaches? 
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A. On advice of counsel I am invoking my Fifth 
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Amendment rights under the United States Constitution. 
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Q. What did you do at Angels of Palm Beaches? 
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A. On advice, on advice of counsel I am invoking 
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my Fifth Amendment rights under the United State 
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Constitution. 
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Q. There were other girls that went to 
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Jeffrey Epstein's that worked at Angels with you, 
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weren't there? 
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A. No, not that I know of. 
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Q. How much was, what was your split in your 
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pay when you worked Angels of Palm Beaches? How 
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much did you have to pay to the house and how much 
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did you keep? 
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A. I never said I worked there. 
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Q. I know you didn't say that. I5a just 
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asking you the question. I notice that you're not 
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denying that you got any money. 
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A. Excuse me? 
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Q. You're not denying that you worked there, 
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right? 
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Q. What do you mean by that? 
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A. Naked company. 
3 
Q. So, describe what would go on there. What 
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did you do there. 
5 
A. Company being naked. A gentleman would conic 
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in and you sit there nude or in panties and bra and you 
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get paid for company. 
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Q. Well, lust of all, let me -- let's break 
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this down. He would come in and you would take him 
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into a room? 
11 
A. Correct. 
12' 
Q. And what was in this room? 
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A. Chairs, sofa, lights. 
14 
Q. Anything else? 
15 
A. An ashtray. 
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Q. And what would you — 
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A. Table. 
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Q. What did you do for your clients that came 
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into these rooms? 
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A. I just told you. Let's say it again. I would 
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bring a guy in and then I would either be in my bra and 
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panties or just my panties and a guy would pay to have 
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my naked company. 
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Q. And what else would occur? 
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Q. Any, any physical touching ever? 
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A. Nope. 
3 
Q. What would the guy do? You would just be 
4 
sitting there naked. 
5 
A. The guy was not allowed to do anything. 
6 
Q. And how much would somebody pay you for 
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this? 
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A. It was SLOG to get in the door. 
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Q. Okay. And how much of that money did you 
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get to keep? 
11 
A. Forty. 
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Q. And did you ever do anything with anybody 
13 
in Flirts other than simply sit there either in your 
14 
panties and bra or just your panties? 
15 
A. No.
16 
Q. How many other similar establishments did 
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you work in? 
18 
A. A couple of them. 
19 
Q. What were their names? 
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A. I don't recall. 
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Q. Did you, have you advertised your services 
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before in any type of publication or online website 
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or things Ince that? 
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A. Personally, no. People have took my picture 
25 
without my consent and done it, but no. 
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like this to certain people. And they used my ad, used 
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my picture for their ad. 
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Q. Well, was —
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A. Not my fault 
5 
Q. -- it more than one picture that had been 
6 
taken when you went to your girlfriend's? 
7 
A. Yes. 
8 
Q. Now, you knew when your girlfriend was 
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taking the picture that you were going to use the 
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picture for something? . 
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MR. EDWARDS: Object to form. 
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THE WITNESS: No, not at all. I take fun 
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pictures all the time. 
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BY MR. LUTHER: 
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Q. So, fun pictures where you just stand 
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around topless with your hands --
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A. Yeah, I am 21 years old. I'm having film 
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Like you've never done it. 
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Q. Well, when were these pictures taken? 
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They weren't taken when you were 21, were they? 
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A. No. They were taken when I was like maybe 18 
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Q. Okay. And so, for what purpose were the 
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pictures taken? 
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A. Just for fun. 
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Q. Okay. Just you and a friend whose name 
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Q. Well, how do you know that? 
2 
A. Because I've saw it and I'm --
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Q. What - 
4 
A. -- having -- I am trying to actually get that 
5 
resolved right now because ifs wrong. 
6 
Q. What did you see? 
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A. I saw supposedly someone posting me as an 
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escort on, on websites. 
9 
Q. What websites? 
10 
A. I'm not — I don't recall. 
11 
Q. Well, was your picture there? 
12 
A. Yeah, and it was not supposed to be. 
13 
Q. And what were you wearing in the picture? 
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A. A thong and like my hands like this, topless. 
15 
Q. Topless? 
16 
A. Yeah. 
17 
Q. So, it was a picture you had posed for? 
18 
A. Yeah, but not like in a shop or anything. 
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Q. What do you mean not like in a shop? 
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A. Not in a jack shack. 
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Q. Well, where had you posed for the picture? 
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A. At a house, like at my girlfriend's house. 
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Q. Which girlfriend? 
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A. I don't recall. These pictures were so long 
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ago. But someone got a hold of diem and things happen 
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you can't remember? 
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A. No. 
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Q. You can't remember her name? 
4 
A. Nope. 
5 
Q. Was there anybody else there with you? 
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A. Actually one girl's name was Brittany. 
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Q. Brittany what? 
B 
A. I don't know. 
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Q. Another person that's got a claim against 
10 
Mr. Epstein? 
11 
A. No. 
12 
Q. Okay. When did you notice that your 
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picture was up on a website? 
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A. I had — lwas going on eraig's List to !bid 
15 
furniture. And I, I was just curious and I was looking 
16 
at — 'went to the adult section and it caught me by 
17 
surprise that it said like I saw my picture on there 
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for, for an establishment. 
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Q. What establishment was that? 
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A. I 'mow one was for Abby's. 
21 
Q. And you had worked at Abbys, right? 
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A. No. 
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.Q. And in fact you had run ads on Craig's 
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List under the exotk or erotic --
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A. No, I did not. 
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