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Name: 
Date: November 17, 2009 
biological father is around 50 years of age and lives in North Carolina. He has remarried. She 
has been in contact with him a few times during the last year. She talks with him on a regular basis by phone. 
He currently works as a salesman for Ina 
a window and door company. She states that her father has 
no physical or mental health problems. She notes that through her father's marriage, she has two additional 
stepbrothers, who are her stepmother's children. 
When asked why her biologic parents got a divorce, 
stated that her father was "an angry guy." She 
commented, "then again he was Italian, so all Italians have somewhat of a snap to them." She notes that she is 
Italian on her father's side and English on her mother's side. 
notes that her mother still does 
maintain contact with her biologic father. 
knows of no mental illness, alcohol or substance abuse problems, or any suicides in her extended 
family. 
CHILDHOOD HISTORY: 
During childhood, ages 5 to 12 (her age range), 
notes she had lots of friends and that she was a 
good student. She liked to have fun. She was a cheerleader and enjoyed going to football games. She 
frequently cheered for her brothers' peewee and flag football teams. She states the home environment was 
"hectic," that there was "never a dull moment," and that "there was a lot going on all the time" in a house with 
seven children. She reports no serious epicM.s of domestic violence, but stated that her brothers would 
wrestle each other "like boys always do." There was one episode of arguing that 
was aware of, 
when her stepfather pushed her mother down on a couch. (N.B. This is in stark contrast to the comments 
made to Dr. Kliman and police reports indicating that the police were called to the house many times for 
domestic violence issues between her biological father, mother, and stepfather; her stepfather and her brother, 
and her stepbrother and her mother.) 
was disciplined by losing her computer privileges. She denied ever being spanked. As an 
adolescent, she denied any domestic violence issues involving her, ("mot with me"). She notes that there was 
one incident when her stepfather physically smacked her on the cheek after she tried to interfere while he was 
yelling at one of his sons. She reports there was frequent arguing in the house over issues of whose kids had 
caused which problems. "It was arguing because of, once again, his kids versus my mom's kids." However, 
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Name: 
Date: November 17, 2009 
she states this arguing did not really affect her and was not a big thing since she generally kept to herself. 
When there was arguing, she withdrew, hung out with friends, or would stay in her room and paint her nails or 
play with her dolls. (NB. Again, stark contrast to what she reported to Dr. Kliman and 
where she 
identifies family strife/arguing being a big problem, that she would routinely "hide" when her stepfather came 
home, and indicated that she was spanked/unfairly punished if she discussed topics within the family.) 
reports, in general, she was a good child, that nothing happened to her, and that the only traumatic 
memory in her I ife was her interaction with Jeffrey Epstein. She reports no other "sexual abuse" and no other 
traumatic. inappropriate, or odd situations occurred involving her. (N.B. Again, in stark contrast to what she 
stated to Dr. Kliman where she reported on a paper and pencil test that she, "hada sexual assault by a family 
member" and verbally reported to Dr. Kliman multiple occurrences where her stepbrother 
was sexually 
inappropriate and she was fearful of him.) 
notes that she attended church while growing up and that she still tries to attend church. Since 
returning to Tennessee, she is currently looking for a new church to attend. She describes herself as being 
spiritual and believing that there is a higher power. 
(NB. In summary, 
account of her childhood is markedly different than the account that she 
reported to Dr. Kliman, where she reported that there was frequent arguing in the house, that there were 
multiple episodes of domestic violence which she remembered that involved the police, that she was punished 
by spanking, that the stepfather had an anger management problem, and that people in the house were fearfid 
and often hid in their rooms when he returned home. She also reported to Dr. Kliman how her stepbrother 
with cerebral palsy was frequently sexually inappropriate with her, was found naked in her bed, had "messed" 
with her shoes, had come into her room in the middle of night while she was sleeping and stared at her, and 
had touched her sister while the sister was working on a computer. These differences do not appear to be 
errors of omission since 
was asked direct questions about domestic violence, how she was 
disciplined, and whether any sexual abuse or inappropriate situations occurred. In fact, she appeared to 
minimize negative events other than Epstein whenever possible, such as by saying "[the stepfather] might have 
had anger issues, but that wasn't even that bad" or that "My, my brothers would always wrestle each other like 
boys always do, you know, brothers," when asked about domestic violence in the house.) 
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Name: 
Date: November 17, 2009 
EDUCATIONAL HISTORY: 
reports that she completed one semester of community college in Florida, where her grades were 
D's, C's, and B's. She notes during that semester she was still partying, which she described as "drinking and 
smoking marijuana." 
reported she did not return to college because she moved to Virginia. She 
felt Florida was becoming too "fast-paced" and that "there was too much bad down here." She reported that 
when she initially went to community college, she was hoping to become a radiologist or radiographer. 
attended IIIMEMEMIIM 
obtaining a 2.9 GPA. She notes that she had difficulty 
with some math elqcses but generally performed well in school until her senior year, at which point she "slowly 
sank." She believes her grades slipped at that time because she was "not really caring about [her] life anymore, 
not really thinking that anything mattered because [she] just felt useless after [Epstein)." She notes that 
Epstein was a big part for why she felt that way (e.g., loss of control), but she notes other factors such as "my 
father wasn't [my real father], my real father wasn't around, . . I had three step [brothers], [and) I lived in a 
house full of seven kids, ... but your attention isn't always put towards you." (This seems contradictory to her 
earlier statements that her mother was her best friend and that she could tell her anything. This does seem to be 
more consistent with the history she gave Dr. Kliman, where she reported feeling that she could not talk with 
anyone, that she was always in the middle, that if she acted badly she would be punished, and that no one 
would believe her when she talked about her stepbrother touching her inappropriately.) 
MEI reports that she never repeated any grades in school and was never in any special education 
classes. In middle school, she received a spirit award in the 71° grade and a science award for being a "good 
camper" at a science camp in the 8th grade. She received no awards in high school. 
reported that 
she tried out for cheerleading in the 9ih grade, but backed out because she did not like the stereotype of 
cheerleaders being "ditzy" even though she had previously enjoyed being a cheerleader for her brother's youth 
football games and in middle school. Insister part of the interview, she stated, "Well, I felt happy. When I 
was cheerleading, I was extremely happy. I was a good cheerleader and I loved to do that, and then I stopped 
cheerleading." This may suggest depressive symptoms starting at the beginning of her high school years. 
reports no suspensions or expulsions from school. She received one detention for a dress code 
violation. She reports she smoked marijuana during her senior year of high school and frequently drank in 
order to deal with/get way from "guys that I had sex with, my friends telling me that I was a whore. It was 
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Name: 
Date: November 17, 2009 
mostly just guys." She notes that she "cared" before she started smoking marijuana or drinking. She stated 
that previously she had the attitude that she was not going to do drugs, but in the end, she "gave up and gave 
in." 
reports that she is currently enrolled in Motlow State Community College in Tennessee. She 
would like to obtain a degree in health and physical fitness. She plans to start attending classes in January 
2010. 
EMPLOYMENT HISTORY: 
notes that she first worked for a traveling petting zoo when she was 13 or 14 and believes she was 
paid approximately $50/day. She later worked for Papa John's for about a year, when she was 15. She also 
worked at II Mugs, which later became The Brass Ring Pub; an Italian restaurant named Pasquale's; Publix as 
a cashier; Petco in Virginia; Chili's; RiteAid; the café that her parents own; Richbrau Brewing Company; The 
Three Monkeys; Abercrombie and Fitch; and restaurants called Glory Days and Woody's Barbeque. 
initially reported she was never fired from a job. Her longest period of employment was a year 
while working at The Brass Ring. She reports she frequently left one job for another because she wanted a 
different environment. She liked learning about different places and jobs. However, later in the interview, she 
reported that she was fired from Glory Days restaurant because she "made the employer feel uncomfortable." 
(NB. Inconsistent history) 
states that she never worked as an adult entertainer. She noted that when she was 19 or 20, she 
would show up high on marijuana when she worked at Petco and Chili's. 
MILITARY HISTORY: 
reports no military history. 
RELATIONSHIP HISTORY: 
stated that she started dating at age 15, that she had approximately five significant relation.slips, 
and that she "fell in love" with every guy that she was in a significant relationship with. She notes her first 
significant relationship was at age 15 with an individual named 
and that they dated for three 
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Name: 
Date: November 17, 2009 
months. She noted that he had "a different style." He was Caucasian, spoke Spanish, and was "prep ghetto." 
did not like the kids he hung out with because they were "dumb." He smoked marijuana and 
drank. She did not approve of his substance abuse. She broke up with him, in part, due to his ongoing 
drinking and drug use. She was also concerned that he might be cheating on her due to his general lifestyle. 
She noted that 
had been arrested before they started dating. 
next significant relationship was with a 
who was about 17 when she was 15. She 
notes he was a childhood friend and that they dated for approximately six months. He started smoking 
marijuana, got in trouble for theft, and was arrested for breaking and entering and vandalizing buildings. He 
had a twin brother, who she believes was a bad influence on him. She ended the relationship because of his 
criminal behavior. She had no concern of him cheating on her. 
next significant relationship was with 
a, 
who was 16 years old when she was 16. 
They dated for three months. She noted that 
mother interfered with their relationship and that is why 
it ended. 
"stayed friends" with him and still feels that he is a nice guy. She was not concerned 
that he ever cheated on her because she was always with him. 
Her next significant relationship was with 
when they were both 19. They dated for three 
months and broke up when she became pregnant. She got an abortion and they began dating again for about a 
year. She notes that the relationship ended because they were "headed in different directions." She reports 
that he was a manager at a Home Depot store, but smoked marijuana approximately five times a day. She had 
concerns that 
might cheat on her. 
then started dating her current boyfriend,, 
whom she had known for many years. She 
notes that he is a good guy who knows how to make her smile. He is her age. They have been dating for about 
a year. He lives in Virginia, where he works at a pizza restaurant. His hobby is skateboarding and he rides 
"flow status," meaning that he receives merchandise from sponsors, but is not paid a salary. He plans to attend 
John Taylor Community College. She has been living in a different state (Tennessee) than. for the last 
three months. They had lived together prior to her move. They started to live apart after she was involved in a 
serious auto accident, in which she broke her pelvis and fractured her tailbone, but did not require surgery. She 
returned to Tennessee to be with her family while she was recovering. 
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Name: 
Date: November 17, 2009 
notes that. is the most positive person she has ever dated: that he smiles, is polite, is nice, and 
that he communicates well with her. At times, she holds back telling him what she is thinking. She stated 
initially that she had frequent concerns that he was cheating on her because he is away from home frequently 
due to his skateboarding and is around other girls. She states this fear causes arguments between them. She 
has never caught him cheating. She believes her fear of him cheating is, in part, due to "I just have thought 
that I'm not good enough for one person to want to be with just mu" She notes, "I am trying to quiet those 
thoughts, and I'm trying to learn to trust him because lie is such a great guy ... he doesn't deserve to hear my 
made-up thoughts. She notes that she loves ■ 
and believes that he loves her and that someday they will 
many. 
SEXUAL HISTORY: 
She notes that she has had approximately 35 sexual partners. She lost her virginity at are 15 to 
(We-
Epstein). It was a "memorable experience" and she thought it was a "good experience" because it was with a 
boyfriend and with someone she cared about. She states that her mom talked with her about sex afterward, but 
that she had received sex education in the sixth grade. She notes that she was not as experienced as her friends 
at age 15, although she believes she may have been the first one in her group to become sexually active. She 
states that no boyfriend has ever asked her to do anything that she was uncomfortable with and that she would 
make her own decisions to go along with any act they suggested. 
notes that she has only had sex with males. She had one experience intimately kissing a woman at 
age 18. This occurred during a period when she was drinking and she, a boy from school, and a girl friend 
decided to all be physically intimate in a car. She notes that she was intimate with the boy, her friend was 
intimate with the boy, and in the process, she kissed her friend 
with an "open mouth" kiss, but 
there was no other sexual contact between them. 
Another episode of group sex occurred when she ended up having sex in the same room with another couple 
during her senior year of high school. She notes that the two males involved were best friends and that she was 
with 
, one of her best friends at the time. She notes that they were all good friends. They 
had had a great day of fun at the beach and returned to a house they were staying at. She ended up having sex 
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Name: 
Date: November 17, 2009 
on the floor on one side of the bed and her frienell. and the other boy had sex on the floor on the other side 
of the bed. 
She notes that she tried anal sex at approximately age 18, that it hurt, and that she stopped. She later tried it 
again with her current boyfriend, 
She notes she had successful anal intercourse with. She notes that 
her boyfriend. has also inserted his finger into her anus. She has given and received oral sex. She noted 
that the first time she did this was with her second boyfriend, • 
when she was 15 or 16. She reports she 
did not like doing it or having it done to her. She has used marital aids or toys with her current boyfriend. He 
has used a vibrating cockring and she has used a vibrator to self-stimulate herselL She bought her own vibrator 
at age 18. She notes that she had trouble achieving orgasm when she first started dating. She is able to attain 
an orgasm with. and when she self-stimulates. She reports at no time has anyone ever taken explicithmde 
pictures of her. She used chocolate body paint at age 18. She reports that she likes matching lingerie. At age 
18, she tried dressing up in a provocative Halloween-type firefighter costume once. She has not engaged in 
another type of activity, which she thinks may be fetishistic or possibly unusual. She has never contracted a 
sexually transmitted disease. 
notes that between the middle of her 1 1 th grade year to her first semester at Palm Beach 
Community College, there was a period when she was "sex crazy." She states that she "felt that she needed to 
be with guys" and that she needed somebody to protect her and to protect her from other guys. She states she 
believes that men wanted to have sex, and that if she did what they wanted, they would stay with her. Later in 
the interview she stated, "It was every single day, had to be with somebody, had to have sex. If I didn't have 
sex, I wasn't feeling happy." 
states that her main friends, 
and 
had frequently told her that she was 
gaining a bad reputation and that she needed to stop sleeping around. She could see that she was "losing 
herself' with the drinking and sex, but wasn't sure how to stop. She did not want to talk to anybody about her 
sex life because she felt ashamed of what she was doing. She stated she did not like the person that she had 
become. 
reports that she used condoms until the time she met 
. She had trouble keeping track of her 
birth control and made mistakes on the timing of when to take the pills. She believes this is why she became 
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Date: November 17, 2009 
pregnant. She notes that 
was the first stable guy she dated after Epstein and the "sexual extravaganza." 
She stated that she took the relationship slow with 
and waited a while before she kissed him or had sex 
with him, trying to break her "bad habits." The pregnancy with 
was not planned. She told her mother 
she was pregnant and her mother told her she would support any choice she made. The decision to terminate 
the pregnancy was a difficult one for 
to make. 
notes that she decided to terminate the 
pregnancy because she was still young, did not want "[her] life to stop," did not have support from 
for 
having the child, and was not grown up enough to take care of another person. 
states that she initially wanted to have the baby, but 
did not, and she did not want to raise a 
child alone. 
obtained the Abortion at the Planned Parenthood near Richmond, Virginia. She 
reports the abortion cost approximately $400-500. 
paid half of it and she got money from 
mother, who was like "a second mother" to MM. 
(N.B. 
was also involved in. 
recent car accident). 
states that she was under anesthesia during the abortion, that the 
procedure took approximately 15 minutes, and she believes that it was a vacuum abortion. She states she has 
never taken any morning-after pills or any abortion pills. 
notes that after the abortion, she was sad 
for two weeks and was upset that she and 
broke up because of the abortion. She stated initially after the 
procedure, she would feel sad when she saw a TV commercial about children or families. 
She notes that in her currant relationship, when she and ■ 
are together, they have sex on a daily basis and 
that it is satisfying for both of them. 
TRAUMA HISTORY: 
notes that 
was a good friend. 
passed away at age 20 while 
was 
living in Virginia. She states that a semi truck ran a red light and hit 
car, killing her. 
stated that she had known 
since the 9th grade. 
was one of her best friends, who had been very 
supportive of her while she was going through a rough time in her relationship with 
loss still 
upsets 
even after approximately two years has passed. 
became tearful while 
discussing 
death. 
notes she has had other friends who have died. One of whom was a friend named= who 
died in an auto accident when 
was 18. 
a boy 
casually dated in the 12th
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grade, was gunned down at a party. 
was not at the scene when it occurred. 
reported 
that the loss of her friends at such a young age, "got me sad thinking about how life could be so short." 
MOVING HISTORY: 
was born in Buffalo, New York. She moved to Florida when she was approximately one year old. 
Her mother and stepfather moved to Virginia when she was in approximately the 46 or 5th grade. They moved 
back to Florida when she was in the 7th grade. She notes she initially liked Virginia and did not want to move, 
although she was somewhat hopeful that she could reconnect with old Florida friends when she did move back, 
which did not happen. She continued to live in Florida until after her first semester at community college. 
(Approximately age 18 years old) She then moved back to Virginia, where she still had some friends. 
then moved from Virginia to Tennessee for the first time, when her lease was up on her apartment in 
Virginia. She states initially she did not want to continue to date ■ 
when she left Virginia because she did 
not think a long distance relationship would work, especially with her worries over people being unfaithful. 
She notes, however, that when she moved to Tennessee, she and II talked every day on the phone and she 
was able to maintain the relationship. She lived with her family in Tennessee for approximately five months 
and then moved back to Virginia to live with ■. She again moved from Virginia back to Tennessee after her 
auto accident in 2009. She reports that she has had no periods of homelessness. 
LEGAL HISTORY: 
reports that she has received two speeding tickets, with the fastest being--29 mph over the speed 
lintitzuld the second —15 mph over the speed limit She has never been charged with DUI, reckless or careless 
driving. She notes that when she first lived in Virginia, the police were called to a party that she was having at 
her apartment and that she was ticketed for underage drinking. She notes that the judge told her "this is your 
lucky day" and that if she did not have any other legal problems, he would drop the charges. 
SUBSTANCE ABUSE HISTORY: 
states that she started drinking Alcohol at age 17 at a New Year's Eve Party. (N.B. In the 
interview with Dr. Kliman, she reports going to parties and drinking before Epstein, which would make her 
first use of alcohol occur earlier.) She notes that she frequently drank to have fiin and to "forget about the 
day." At her maximum, she would consume eighltatentaeopkorleas. She notes that she developed 
tolerance. She has never experienced any withdrawal symptoms when she stopped drinking. For negative 
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consequences, she notes that she would frequently have sex when intoxicated. She has never received any 
treatment for alcohol abuse. She reports that the last time she drank was at a friend's birthday one week ago 
and that she drank a couple of margaritas and some beers. In general, the amount she has been drinking is less 
currently, but she still has times when she returns to old patterns of drinking from 7:00pm until 1:00am. She 
notes that she is trying to cut down; that she does feel guilty about the amount she is drinking, usually related 
to having a hangover, that she does not become annoyed or angry if people say she is drinking too much; and 
that she just tells them that they "don't know what they are talking about." She does not require an eye-opener. 
would participate in drinking games when she went to parties. She notes that she would frequently 
drink to the point of vomiting and that for approximately a two-year period during her junior and senior years 
of high school, she drank to the point of vomiting once a week. She reports periods of blacking out when 
drinking alcohol and that, during her senior year in school, she was out even, night looking for a party in order 
to get drunk. She notes never having any cravings for alcohol, no drug dreams, and never having missed work 
because of alcohol. 
reports that she first tried marijuana in the 
wade. She stated that she used approximately 
1/16 of an ounce. When asked to further quantify, she notes at her maximum, she used four joints a day or g 
S45 amount. She developed tolerance to it. She reports the withdrawal symptom of "wanting more." She 
would smoke as an alternative to seeking male companionship (e.g., "If I had a problem, instead of going to 
guys for every answer, I would just smoke it away.) She noted as negative consequences that she would forget 
conversations and that the marijuana would affect her memory. She received no treatment for her marijuana 
abuse. She does not believe she ever received laced marijuana and she did not intentionally dip or put PCP on 
it. She has tried to decrease her use. She last smoked at a birthday party one week before the interview. 
reports first trying cocaine at age 21, in the house where she was living with 
She had used 
cocaine five times. She reports no tolerance, no withdrawal symptoms, no negative consequences, or ever 
receiving treatment for cocaine use. She reports her last use was five to six months ago. 
She stated that she fast used LSD (hallucinogen) at age 19 or 20, while living in Virginia. She has used it 
three times and reports "good trips." She noted that she tried mushrooms (hallucinogen) once approximately 
six months ago and that she felt the effects for a couple of hours. 
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She stated that she has used inhalants such as whippets, which she repotted were nitrous oxide, 15 times while 
living in the house she shared with ■ 
in Virginia. 
notes that her mother gave her Xanax (benzodiazepines) for anxiety attacks, which she describes 
as periods when she wanted to cry. She also notes that she would buy)(anax on thQstreet and that she would 
use it approximately twice a month. She would either buy the blue "football-looking" pills or the "French fry" 
type. 
also notes that she got Percocet (narcotic) from a boy who she had sex with. 
also notes that she has taken Adderall (stimulant medication/controlled substances) without a 
ftmstii. She got the Adderall from a roommate in Virginia, who said that it would help with 
concentration and help with getting things done. 
reports she had taken Adderall less than  10 times 
over a two-year period of time and states that she does it "When I had a big or a busy day the next day, when I 
needed to be motivated, when I needed to pick myself up." She notes that she has feelings of euphoria when 
she takes Adderall. 
states that she has never sold drugs, but notes that her brother used to "hunt for mushrooms" and 
that she would connect her brother with "rednecks" that she knew, who were looking to buy drugs. She states 
she never personally profited from these transactions. 
notes that she pays for her drugs with the money that she earns and that she has never traded sex 
for food, shelter, or drugs. 
She reports never using heroin or any IV drugs such as other narcotics, cocaine or methamphetamines. 
She states that she smoked cigarettes for two years when she moved to Virginia, but that she is not currently 
smoking. 
reports that she drinks a cup of coffee a day, but that she has cut out drinking sodas for the last 
three months since her car accident. Prior to that, she would drink a couple of regular Coca Colas a day. 
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PARTIES: 
states that alcohol was always present when she went to parties. She noted that during house 
parties, where people would be in the house or in the yard, they frequently played drinking card games There 
were frequently beer pongs at the parties. She notes that when she went to the parties, the "redneck crowd" 
would always defend their territory and asked guys they didn't like to leave. There were frequent fights 
between the "guys." The size of the parties varied from 15 to 50 people. She notes that she went to the parties 
(e.g., bonfire) "because I just m&
 and I started hanging out with him. And then lane Doe No. 3 
took me down to Mr. Epstein's house." This would imply she was attending the parties and was exposed to 
alcohol before meeting Epstein. (N.B. This statement is more consistent with history she provided with Dr. 
Kliman than the history of trying alcohol after meeting Epstein.) 
VIOLENCE HISTORY: 
notes that the most violent thing she has ever done was to get into a fight with 
(AKA lane Doe 3), who is the girl who introduced her to Mr. Epstein. 
notes the fight started due 
to 
taking her to Epstein's house and "[also] that [..] 
felt that I was a slut and she kept calling me 
that." The fight occurred at a party approximately six months after 
went to Epstein's. 
noted that she carried a baseball bat under the front seat of her truck. She stated "I would carry it 
underneath the seat in my truck because I always had fears that I would be taken advantage of, because I was --
everybody kept telling me I was such a little girl. And I was always out until all hours of the night, and I 
needed to be careful. And I just felt hie if I didn't have a guy with me, I would have to be able to defend 
myself with another, another way." 
PLAINTIFF'S RECOUNTING OF INTERACTIONS WITH JEFFREY EPSTEIN: 
reports she met Mr. Epstein was when she was 16 or 17 year's old and in the 11th grade. (Per 
police interview on 12/13/05, she was 16 years old; however she frequently reports her age as 17, as she did 
when interviewed by Dr. Kliman, making it difficult to confirm dates to determine facts pre or post Epstein.) 
She did not know the exact date of the meeting, but did recall that it was before Christmas 
reports 
that 
had written her a note during class asking her if she wanted to "make some extra cash for the 
holidays." 
her large family. 
was interested in making some additional money in order to purchases holiday gifts for 
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Initially 
told 
"all you have to do is come with me to a massage, to like massage, kind of 
like a place to go to where there would be other people in the same facility... You could just go there, make 
some cash and leave, you know." 
was under the impression that it would be a facility, that there 
would be older guys there, and that she did not need to have any experience in order to give massages. 
notes that 
told her that she would be paid $200 for giving a massage and that "if you tell 
anyone, I will beat your ass." 2 Per 
she told 
"yeah, that sounds great." 
did 
not find it odd that she did not need to be a certified or experienced masseuse, that she was threatened with 
physical violence if she told, or that it was older men. 
believed that the reason 
threatened 
her was because 
was "embarrassed" about giving older men massages. 
After the initial conversation, a couple of weeks went by before 
called 
and asked her if 
she wanted to go give a message that day. 
agreed to go after she finished working her shift at 
Publix supermarket. On the drive over to Mr. Epstein's house, 
"slowly" learned about what was 
going to happen during her visit, but she states she did not know the MI circumstances of what she agreed to. 
reports she knew that Mr. Epstein would ask her to take off her shirt and pants. She was okay with 
that beerm‘P it was like being in a bathing suit and "[She] didn't think anything of it." (N.B. In adherent part 
of the interview, 
made statements which suggest that she knew she would be uncomfortable in this 
setting such as "[when having intercourse (pre-Epstein)] I always kept my shirt on and my bra because I felt 
uncomfortable being naked")'. 
stated, "I wasn't thinking that anyone was going to be touching me. 
I was the person giving the massage. I was the one in control, putting my hands wherever I --on the body, on 
their back. I just thought back, shoulders, legs, feet." Even though 
had worked five or six hours at 
2 A. It was, I would, I would say right before, a little bit before me and Jane Doe No. 3 t=ll) 
got into a fight, I started 
getting scared of her. And I just was kind of waiting for the day that she would want to hurt me... Because I didn't know, 
because that had happened when she took me to Epstein and I didn't ever want to go back again. And I thought she was just 
going to think that I had told somehodY. 
wing to come aficr
3 Q. Again, don't mean to be confrontational here, but on one hand you said 'I WAS told I was going to be in my bra and my 
underwear, and I thought, hey, it's no different than a bathing suit' On the other hand, you are saying I always kept a bra or a 
shirt on even when I was with someone that was being intimate with. Do you understand how those two... 
A. Conflict with each other? ...'they do. For some reason, it wasn't — I didn't, I didn't -- when I feel towards people, when I feel 
towards a guy that I'm dating them and I am having sex with them, and I like them and I want them to like me, I don't want to 
show them all of me. But when --he, he was just... 
Q. It was easier because it was a stranger? 
A. It was — I didn't think anybody who had - my vision of how you get a massage, your head is facing the ground. I didn't think 
anybody was going to be looking at me. I didn't think anybody was going to be judging me. I didn't think that he was going to 
flip over and start fondling himself and then touching me. I just — 
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Publix before going to Mr. Epstein's house, she had no concern over the condition of her undergarments even 
though she had just learned she would be giving a message in her underwear. (In her statement to police, she 
reported she had worn thong panties.) 
stated that 
told her that if anybody asked. "you need to say you are over 18 years old" 
when they arrived at Mr. Epstein's House. 
reports that she told 
that she is not a good liar 
and asked 
to answer that question if they were asked. 
Once 
realized she was at a private residence and not a public facility, she was concerned that she 
might become stranded if she did not continue to go along, since 
was the one who drove her there. 
After all "MN) 
already threatened to beat me a] 
up." When 
was asked if she had a 
cell phone with her, she said that when she was in the car she did, but she did not consider calling anyone she 
knew, such as her mother, brothers or a friend to come pick her (Of note,a, 
at other times, called her 
mother to come pick her up when "[she"' 
had nowhere else to go," such as when she had too 
much to drink). Later, 
stated she did waiver on whether or not to call her mother, but decided 
against it because she wanted to make the money to buy gifts, that she was doing something on her own, and 
that she did not feel she needed her mother's permission. 
still did not think that anything "bad" 
was going to happen to her even though earlier she stated she was concerned about being stranded and was 
concerned about possibly fighting 
who was "twice" her size. (N.B. on some level, this is 
inconsistent). 
notes that inside the house, she met a very tall, skinny, blond, nice looking assistant, who took 
down her name and number and told 
to stay downstairs because "a) 
would be back before 
you know it." The assistant took 
upstairs to the massage room and left her alone there. Shortly 
after the assistant left, Mr. Epstein came in with a towel on and told her where the lotions were and that he 
would be on a business call. 
later stated that when Mr. Epstein first came into the room, he also 
told her to take off her shirt and her pants. She noted that she did so because Mr. Epstein told her to. When 
asked, she stated she was uncomfortable being in her underwear because she was "shy." When it was pointed 
out to 
that she was told ahead of time that she would be asked to do this, and she initially reported 
that she was fine with it because it would be like being in a bathing suit, 
stated, "Staring at me just 
after— not necessarily him staring at me. I just wasn't open with taking my clothes off in front of people that 
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didn't know." (N.B. This account of events is factually different from the account she told Dr. Kliman, when 
she stated Epstein was already in the room on the table when she arrived.) 
noted that she started the massage by rubbing Epstein's feet. She rubbed his feet, legs, back and 
shoulders. She reported that Epstein encouraged her to keep massaging further and further down his back 
closer to his buttocks. 
massaged Mr. Epstein for approximately 25-30 minutes in this manner and 
began to believe "everything was okay." She notes that after Epstein got off the phone, he started asking her 
personal questions, such as if she had experience with other guys and how far she had gone sexually. -
-states 
that Epstein was also giving her compliments, such as you're such a "beautiful girl." She reports 
she was uncomfortable with the conversation and that these were topics she did not discuss with anyone except 
her "girlfriends." 
notes that after Epstein started asking her questions, he flipped over onto his 
back and began masturbating. Per ENE, 
while Epstein was touching himself, he asked her to turn 
around so he could see her body and then he put his hand "flat" on her crotch area, on the outside of her 
underwear and began to shake his hand. 
reports "1 got really scared because he just -- that was 
way, way crossing the line." She reports she stopped talking and was "terrified." Ahhough 
did 
not try to leave, she did back away from him when she perceived that he was trying to insert a finger in her 
vagina. (N.B. This is more consistent with the events stated to Dr. Kliman.) 
stated that she never thought of leaving because, if a man could do something like that, then he 
could kidnap her or shoot her with a gun. When asked if she saw a gun, she stated no, but people would have 
those things hidden. When asked if he ever threatened her, she said no; if he ever raised his voice, she said no; 
made any threatening gestures; she said no. She states, "He just had sounded like a pervert." 
notes that Mr. Epstein had no scars, malformations, or tattoos. She stated that she did not sec his 
pulls and that she kept her eyes on his. She notes that after he ejaculated, he went into the steam shower, at 
which point he told her to take $200 for herself and give $100 toll.. 
states that when she went downstairs, 
saw her face, commented that she looked like a 
ghost, and asked her what happened. She told 
that she would tell her in the car. When in the car, she 
told 
that he tried to "finger" her. 
then said that he tried to do that to one of her other friends 
last week, at which point 
put her sunglasses on and "cried my way home." She states that she used 
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the $200 to buy Christmas gifts. She told her best friend, 
a
 
what had occurred. She said her friend 
was sad and cried with her over it and told her that she should call the police. 
states she did not 
want anyone to fmd out and that she did not want anyone coming after her. She reports, "I kept my mouth 
shut" until the FBI came to her. She noted that she had an experience at school when some of her friends 
began talking about young girls going to give massages for money. She "freaked out" on the inside because 
she thought they knew that she was one of them. 
states that she did not know any of the other girls who went to Epstein's house, other than 
MISMilind 
MI, 
who were people who brought other girls there. There is some question if 
her friend MI 
who died in the car accident, also went to see Epstein. 
notes that she never told any of her boyfriends about Epstein, except her current boy friend, M. 
She noted that by the time she had gone to see Epstein, she had broken up with 
and 
and that she 
was not in a relationship when she went, even though she was "talking with 
" She did tell her 
mother after the FBI came to interrogate her because she was under 18 and they needed her mother's 
permission to question her. She notes that after the Epstein experience, she started having "a lot of sex" and 
that friends and family thought that she was a slut/whore. She stated, however, that nobody knew what 
happened. 
PAST PSYCHIATRIC HISTORY: 
reports that she had no psychiatric problems before Epstein, except that she "might have had ADD, 
same as my mom, but I 
I really wasn't depressed." She stated that before she went to Mr. Epstein's, 
she was a "passive" type of person. She always felt that she needed to please people and that she always liked 
to be a positive person. 
She stated that she always agreed to do things, did not think them through, and 
always said yes. She did not realize that there were "mean people" in the world that she had to learn to say no 
to. She was afraid that if she said no to anyone, then she would not be considered "a cool girl" and that people 
would quit asking her to do things with them. She had always considered herself to be "a social butterfly." 
During 
one semester of college (19 years old), her mother encouraged 
to go see 
(a psychologist) due to her behavior and due to her mother knowing about the Epstein incident. 
(N.B. When she was interviewed by Dr. Kliman, she also reported that 
sexually inappropriate behavior 
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was another reason her mother wanted her to go see Dr. 
notes that around that time, she 
was experiencing a lot of anger and was punching holes in the walls of the house. She stated "I just would get 
angry, lock my door and lock myself in my room, and I wouldn't want anyone to come in." She noted that her 
mother and stepfather had both gone to see the psychologist separately, then went together, and that her 
stepfather had started to take medication, although 
did not know what it was for. -saw 
Dr. 
for about three months and reports she found the counseling helpful. (Per premiss.. 
did not discuss much about Epstein with her and instead focused on problems in the family.) II 
reports that when she went for counseling, she had symptoms of "anxiety. depression." She believes Dr. 
diagnosed her with OCD and depression. (N.B. 
reported to Dr. Kliman that others told her 
she was bipolar and she reported having symptoms of low mood starting at age 15, which would pre-date 
Bosteia.) 
Per 
Dr. 
referred her to a female psychiatrist for medication. 
could not recall the 
psychiatrist's name, but could remember that the psychiatrist had a dog in her office and that the office was in a 
medical office building on 45°' Street. She notes she saw the psychiatrist about four times. 
reports 
she was on Zoloft (antidepressant) for approximately two weeks when she had an allergic reaction and stopped 
taking the medicine. 
describes her symptoms as being angry with people easily, closing herself off, and "being a 
confused person." She reports not wanting to be part of the family; not wanting to talk with the family; and 
only being able to talk to her friends, 
and 
She notes that she was mad all the time 
and never let anyone in, and did not want to be hurt by a guy. She started wondering if her stepfather was 
looking at her in a sexual way since Epstein and her stepfather were approximately the same age. She started 
to question everything that was good. She stated that she was constantly fearful of consequences, but would 
still go out and drink and have sex on a frequent basis. When it was pointed out that this seemed almost 
contradictory, she agreed and stated, "I would think about those things before I would go out and get drunk and 
go out and do all those things. I would think while I was sober, okay, let's do something fun. You know, this 
could happen (e.g., be kidnapped), but why not let's just go out with my girls." 
When directly asked, 
noted that her sleep was poor because she was intentionally staying out late 
(e.g., 4-yam) to go to parties and drinking. She noted that she maintained her interest in partying and that she 
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had guilt for a lot of things that she did. (N.B. She asked for the word guilty to be defined because she said she 
did not know what it meant). 
notes that she developed feelings of worthlessness "the day I left 
[Epstein's] house." She noted that her energy was low and she believed this was due to a lack of sleep from 
going out She felt that her concentration was poor, but stated that it had always been poor because she was 
"ADD." When asked about potential psychomotor retardation symptoms, such as having slow thoughts, she 
responded, "Slower than usual because I smoked some weed." When directly asked about suicidal thoughts 
and when they started she stated, "After I went and saw him, Epstein. During the time where my family — I 
felt I couldn't talk to them about the way that I had been acting." Although she had a suicide attempt, she did 
not give an exact date for when it occurred. When asked if 
had discreet periods when her mood 
would change, she stated "It was like an on and — it felt to me like I was up and down every single day. I 
would think nobody cares about me. I would always say I don't have friends, but yet I would have friends." 
had some fluctuations in her appetite. She reports she liked to eat and that she initially became a 
little overweight, which she thinks was due to the calories she was taking in from drinking. When she went to 
Virginia, she tried to cut down on her drinking and became "skinny." She notes that she did not want to get 
fat, so she started eating smaller portions and ate only twice a day. She reports that she did not engage in any 
bulimic behavior, such as taking laxatives or diuretics or vomiting to cause weight loss. She did note that there 
were times when she intentionally made herself vomit after she had too much to drink as a way to make herself 
feel better. She was ambivalent about her reasons why she was not eating as much. On one hand, she said she 
did not feel like eating and, on the other hand, she stated that she was fearftil of becoming fat. She had 
difficulty clarifying whether she was intentionally trying to lose weight. She notes that before she moved to 
Virginia she weighed 115 pounds. While in Virginia, she weighed between 100-105 pounds. She was 5' 2" 
with an estimated BMI of 19 at this ante and, per her reports, she never stopped menstruating during her period 
of weight loss. 
When asked about OCD symptoms, 
notes that she likes to keep things in their place. She would 
become angry if anything was moved. She reports at times she would have racing thoughts, which she 
attributed to her "OCD anxiety." She stated 9 was very serious about keeping things where they were 
supposed to be and making sure I made my bed, making sure my hair was never out of place, making sure I 
didn't have — if there was something on my face, I would, you know, pop that pimple and I would freak out. I 
would just freak out." She also reported she frequently engaged in counting rituals (e.g., sayings things like "1 , 
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2, 3 turn green" over and over again at red lights) and that if anyone interrupted her, she would tell them to 
hold the thought and that she would have to return to the conversation after completing her ritual. She believed 
her OCD symptoms started while she was in middle school to high school and that this occurred around the 
time or after she had tubes in her ears and the adenoidectomy. She notes that in high school, it became 
"overboard." She stated that she frequently had to have everything in a perfect line and that if things were not 
perfect, "I would freak out and I would get upset and say, oh my gosh, why can't this be perfect? What is 
wrong with me? What is wrong with me is what I always asked." She notes that her OCD symptoms have been 
improving over the last two years even though she is not on medication and has not engaged in cognitive 
behavioral therapy for OCD.4 She has never been told that she may have had PANDA syndrome and is 
unaware that streptococcus may cause an OCD-type presentation. She reports she has never had motor or 
vocal tics. 
When asked about suicidal thoughts, 
reports no current thoughts of suicide. She states she has not 
had any suicidal thoughts since her recent car accident. She notes that she made a suicide attempt sometime 
after seeing Epstein, but before telling her parents about Epstein (approximately between age 16-18; however 
no mention of a suicide attempt is listed in Dr. 
notes or her treating psychiatrist's notes). Per 
report, she tried to commit suicide by overdosing on seven hydrocodone pills that had been prescribed 
after removal of her wisdom teeth. She reports that she took all the hydrocodone that she had and, at the time, 
she wished to die. She reports that she texted her friend and told her goodbye and physically spoke with her 
mother and told her that she loved her, but did not tell her she had actually tried to kill herself' (N.B. This is 
4. Q. Has it gotten better? 
A. Being OCD? ... I tried to not care so much about the way that things are aligned. But it's still, it's still inside me, 
in my nature to want to do all of those things, but I am trying to say no, no, it's okay. It doesn't have to be perfect. 
Q. Two years ago would you have been able to do that? 
A. Stop myself from being OCD? 
Q. Yeah. 
A. (Witness shakes bead.) 
Q. No. Okay. Have you had a spegic cognitive behavioral therapy to address that, or is this something you've been 
able to get under better control on your own? 
A. I've been trying to do it on my own. 
5 Q. Okay. Got to, got to bear with me on that one. So, you took seven pills, texted your friend, walked downstairs 
or into your mom's room and said, hey, mom, 'love you and I just want to let you know I took seven pills? 
A. No, it didn't happen that way. I went and I — she was always on the back porch. And I had told her, you know, I 
was like, yeah, I love you. I really don't want to deal with my life right now. I feel like I want to kill myself kind of 
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factually different from the version she told Dr. Kliman, when she stated she had written her mother a suicide 
note.) She notes that both her mother and her best friend stayed up with her that night and talked to her. They 
did not take her to a hospital. 
MIN 
notes that she had a psychiatric hospital evaluation in Tennessee atter an argument with her 
mother. She could not remember what the argument was about, but she said that she told her mother, "I hate 
my life, I hate everything, I hate just everything. I want to — I wish 1 was dead." At which point, she was taken 
to the 
Medical Center by her mother. The medical center offered her inpatient hospitalization, 
which she declined. She gave her reason for declining was that she did not want admission to a mental unit. 
She believes that she was 19 or 20 at the time this occurred and she was living in 
Tennessee and 
not just visiting. She notes that she was held overnight. She saw a psychologist, filled out paperwork, and 
discussed ways to calm down with the psychologist. She was not involuntarily admitted, not referred for 
follow-up, and was not started on any medication& 
has cut her arm with a knife and she said "It wasn't that deep, but when 1 got upset I wanted the, 
the pain to stop, and that would be the only way that I could do that was just to physically stop it." She 
reported that this occurred when she was around 18 years old and was still living in Florida. 
When asked about potential bipolar symptoms, she notes that when she took the Adderall (stimulant 
medication) she felt really good, but reports no other periods of euphoria. The feeling produced by the 
Adderall lasted for only the length of time that the medication is usually effective (several hours). She does not 
describe any cyclical patterns of mood elevation, changes in sleep, shopping, sexuality, or religiosity. She does 
not endorse any grandiosity and said that she experienced the opposite effects (i.e., poor self-image). She 
reports not having any credit card debt or any periods of excessive spending. She did endorse periods of 
"racing thoughts" that she attributes to anxiety. 
When asked if she has had bad dreams, 
states, "everyone has bad dreams." She stated that she 
used to dream about getting into tights over boys and hurting other girls. She said that this occurred around the 
time that she got into the fight with 
She noted that she was fearful of 
and fearful of Mr. 
thing. And she took me back in my room and was talking to me about it. And my friend ended up coming over and 
she came in my room and she was talking to me and my girlfriend about it. 
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