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41 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 conjunction with what was going on at the time, how hated Mr. Rothstein was at the time, then, yeah, people are going to believe that those allegations are true. BY MR. LINK: Q All right. Good. A At least that's my perception as well, which is causes -- Q Can you tell me one person who came up to you after the lawsuit was filed and said, I believe, Mr. Edwards, that what Mr. Epstein's lawyers wrote in this complaint against you, that that's true? A What will typically happen at the courthouse would be lawyers would come up and say, Hey, so-and-so was just saying this complaint was just filed against you by Mr. Epstein, and that in reality there might have been real cases against Mr. Epstein, but you didn't have those, that you actually represented clients who had nothing to do with him. You fabricated cases with Rothstein, and they are speculating that you will be arrested with Mr. Rothstein for the fabrication of Epstein cases and pretending that you represented Epstein victims. That would happen with great frequency when it was hot, when it was hot in the press. Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800548
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42 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q Okay. I got that. And that makes sense. Did you have a concern that you might be arrested or indicted? A No. Q None at all? A Zero. Q Did you ever hire a criminal lawyer? A No. Q Never consulted with one? A No. Q So you said -- I think I heard you say in December 2009 everyone who knew your reputation about your level of ethics and professionalism would have known that the allegations were untrue. Did I get that close? A The people that knew me very well would have known that it was not true, yes. Q So before December 2009, did you ever have any ethical issues that you had to deal with? MR. SCAROLA: Let me object to the form of the question as vague. THE WITNESS: Such as what? Not that I remember. BY MR. LINK: Q Nothing that you remember. All right. Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800549
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43 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 You graduated from law school in May or June 2001? A Somewhere around there, yeah. Q And you were admitted -- when did you take the bar exam? A In July of 2001. Q And did you pass the bar exam on your first try? A Yes. Q And then you were not admitted until March of 2002, correct? A Correct. Q Was there a holdup on your -- on your bar being admitted, something about your character and fitness evaluation? A There was -- there was a delay in the finalization of that. Q Based on their taking an extended look at your character and fitness to practice law in the State of Florida, right? A Right. There's two elements of it. There's the test and character fitness. Q Right. I understand. And the delay, which was almost a year from when you graduated, was the character and fitness part. You passed the Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800550
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44 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 test-taking part, right? A I got my -- we got our scores back in late September, and then I was admitted in March. So it's not almost a year. Q No. I said from when you graduated. A I know, but it just makes it seem longer than it is. I mean, I know you chose when I graduated. I would not have been admitted anyway until October. Q Did you file your application to join the bar before you graduated or -- and before you took the test, or did you wait to do that until after you took test? A No, I filed it before I graduated school. Q You filed it before you got out of law school, right? It's a long process. MR. SCAROLA: Excuse me. One question at a time, please. BY MR. LINK: Q So you filed the application before you got out of law school, right? A Yes. Q So that's close to a year since you filed the application before you were approved, based on their extended evaluation of your character and fitness to practice law? Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800551
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45 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A Yeah. I don't quarrel with that. Q What were the incidents they were looking at that delayed them? Do you remember? A No. I don't remember the incidents that they were looking at. It was -- Q You really don't have any idea what they were looking at? What caused them concern? MR. SCAROLA: Objection. Compound. THE WITNESS: I believe it related to when I was a juvenile. I think that was the first thing I had to answer about. BY MR. LINK: Q Okay. Was there more than one? A Do you have anything that can refresh my recollection so I know exactly what it was that I was doing back in 2000 or 2001? Q I'm asking you, sir, if you remember what the incidents were that were in your past that the bar examiners were looking at in evaluating your character and fitness. And if you're telling me you don't remember, then you don't remember. A It was incidents related to an arrest. And I think that one of them was when I was a juvenile. Q And the other arrest? A I believe it was an underage drinking arrest. Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800552
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46 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q That was the first arrest, right? Were there two arrests? A And the other one was a possession of prescription without a prescription. Q What was the prescription? A I don't remember the name of it right now. But if you showed it to me then I would know. If you said it, I would know. MR. LINK: So we have been going about an hour. Why don't we take a couple minute break if that's okay, because I need to take a break? THE VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 10:48 a.m. and we are going off the record. (A recess was had.) THE VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 10:58 a.m. We are back on the record. BY MR. LINK: Q Mr. Edwards, I got a little derailed. There was a question that I asked about, and then I meandered away from it. I was saying starting in December 2009 when the lawsuit was filed -- and I think I asked about January 1 just to make it simpler. So January -- let's talk about January 1, 2010 looking back to when you started practicing law Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800553
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47 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 in 2002, compared to January 1, 2010, forward through today. During those two separate time frames, in which one have you collectively in total made more money in your profession as a lawyer? A Since 2010? Q So January -- is it easy -- is January a good way to do it? Is it easier to think about the -- A That's fine. Q So in January 2010 through today, your income as a lawyer has been collectively greater than it was from January 2010 back to 2002 when you started practicing. A Right. Q Would you say it has doubled during that time period? MR. SCAROLA: I am going to object to the question and instruct you not to answer on the basis of economic privacy. The question is not relevant, material nor reasonably calculated to lead to the discovery of relevant material information. MR. LINK: And I take it, Mr. Scarola, any question I would ask like that -- not asking about the specific dollars, but just Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800554
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48 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the parameters, you will have the same objection? MR. SCAROLA: Well, I don't know, because I did allow you to ask the one question -- MR. LINK: You did. MR. SCAROLA: -- that you asked that was answered. So you are going to need to ask your questions, and I will make a determination as to whether I will assert an objection and instruct Mr. Edwards not to answer based upon what the question is. MR. LINK: Fair enough. BY MR. LINK: Q So, Mr. Edwards in comparing those two time frames, 2002 through 2010 -- which was an eight-year time period of practice, right? A Right. Q I saw you counting on your fingers. compared to 2010 through 2017, which is a seven-year time frame, in the seven years A We are almost up to January 2018, though, so -- Q Let's make it '18. A We're about even. Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800555
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49 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q Fair enough. Let's make it eight to eight so we're comparing apples to apples. A Yeah. Q Would you say that your income as a lawyer, as a professional, in the second half of your career, the past eight years, is significantly greater than your income was in the first eight years of your practice? MR. SCAROLA: I'm going to object to the question on the basis that it's vague. But can you go ahead and answer that question. THE WITNESS: The answer is yes. BY MR. LINK: Q Thank you for answering that. We were talking about some ethics issues and whether you had any, and I was asking you what you remember. Do you remember -- as we were talking about your reputation -- do you remember any incidents while you were working for the Broward State Attorney's office where anything that you did was called into question or there were any news reports or anything? MR. SCAROLA: Excuse me. I am going to object. The question is vague and compound. Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800556
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50 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 THE WITNESS: What's the question? BY MR. LINK: Q When you -- you worked for the Broward State Attorney's office? A Basically three years. Q Three years, okay. During that three-year time period well, let me ask you this. Why did you leave? Was there -- why did you leave? A Just time to leave. Q What does that mean? Was there an offer on the table? Were you asked to leave? What was the reason? A I tried a bunch of case. I wanted to try civil cases. I wanted to try civil cases from the beginning. I wanted experience as a trial lawyer. I went to the state attorney's office. I got a lot of experience, and it was time to leave and do what I wanted to do. So that's it. Q So was there anything that happened shortly before you left that -- where anybody called into question anything you did as far as your representation of the State of Florida on behalf of the Broward State Attorney's Office? A My supervisors would have said that I was Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800557
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51 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 probably the best prosecutor there at the time, so that was not -- that was never something that happened. Q I wouldn't find any reports about a tampered-with video being placed into evidence or anything like that if I searched the Internet using your name? Is that true? A I know that case. But that case is not me tampering with anything. That case was me prosecuting somebody for what they did in a very effective, very fair way, the most fair way possible; him getting convicted, him going to prison, him getting upset, and suing me, the State Attorney Mike Satz, all of the police officers involved in the case. So that's what happened. I know -- that's Donald Baker. I know the Donald Baker case well. Q So you were sued? A Yeah. Q So Mr. Epstein's suit was not the first one against you that called into question something that you are doing as a lawyer; is that true? A I didn't know about that lawsuit when I was first sued, because the AG's office was representing me. I was no longer at the state attorney's office. So they picked up and represented the suit. And I Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800558
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52 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 heard it was dismissed right away. I didn't keep up with the case. Q I understand. But my question was so that you had, before Mr. Epstein sued you, been sued based on conduct, something that allegedly you did during your work as a lawyer, right? A True. Q Where was that lawsuit filed, sir? A If you can show me, I'm not going to quarrel with it. I just don't know that I have seen it -- in Florida. Q Were you served with a lawsuit? A I think I was served with a lawsuit. Q Did it cause anxiety when you were served? A No. Q Well, you were alleged to have done something that was unethical, correct? A He made these allegation before in court. We had hearings over it, over his 57 -- his 38 -- 3.850 motion for his ineffective assistance of counsel. I had heard this whole thing. It was -- it was such nonsense that was being made by a criminal that -- sour grapes. He lost a trial and had to go to prison. I didn't even want to recommend prison in the case. The fact is, he had committed a murder Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800559
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53 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 previously in his life, so he was HOQ qualified, which necessitated a five-year prison sentence. I didn't think he deserved that for that crime, nor did I recommend it. It was just part of the guidelines by the state. So I knew it was a harsh sentence for the crime that he committed. He was upset about it, and he took it out on everybody. Q So you weren't -- you didn't suffer any anxiety or concern at all about a lawsuit that was filed in 2004 that related to allegations of unethical conduct in a proceeding that you were the lead trial lawyer? A Zero. Q Did anybody ask you about the alleged unethical conduct that was in that lawsuit? A No. Q Did you read the press that was involved with the filing of the lawsuit against you based on your work as a prosecutor? A I don't remember there being press about the lawsuit that was filed. Q You don't? A No. Q Anybody ask you -- assume for a minute there was some press. Did anybody ask you about it? Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800560
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54 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. SCAROLA: Excuse me. Object to the improper question. MR. LINK: It was a really bad question, wasn't it? MR. SCAROLA: Yeah. Terrible. MR. LINK: Thank you. I object. MR. SCAROLA: Good. BY MR. LINK: Q I don't even know how to follow up with that one it was so bad. A It's tough. Q You're right. Did anybody in your -- in the profession, lawyers that you dealt with from time to time or regularly, comment to you about the lawsuit that was filed against you in 2004? A No. Q Did the filing of that lawsuit have anything to do with your termination at the state attorney's office for Broward? MR. SCAROLA: Object. THE WITNESS: I wasn't terminated from the state attorney's office. BY MR. LINK: Q How about did it have anything to do with Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800561
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55 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 your decision to resign? A Absolutely not. Q Do you remember that the lawsuit alleged a 1983 violation? A No. Q How long was the lawsuit pending? A I have no idea. I never read the lawsuit. Q So you were served with a lawsuit, you were sued, and you don't even read it? Is that true? A I didn't even read it. That's true. I doubt Judge Gates read it. I doubt Mike Satz read it. Q You were a defendant. A So were they. We were all joined together. The police department. Everybody was defendants. Q No big deal? A It was a joke. Q How many associates were employed at Bradley Edwards & Associates? A I don't think I ever had associates. I had -- I had law clerks that the plan was always when they passed the bar that they would be associates, but that's just -- I didn't have the firm open long enough. Q Did you ever check with the Florida Bar to see if it was a violation of the bar ethics rules to call yourself Bradley Edwards & Associates if you had Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800562
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56 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 no associates? A No. Q Are you familiar today with the ethical rule that involves your calling your law firm Bradley Edwards & Associates and whether that is proper under the bar rules? A No. Even if you plan to have associates in the near future? I have never read that rule, I don't believe. Q And when you left the state attorney's office, did you form Bradley Edwards & Associates then? A No. Q What did you do? A I worked for a law firm, Kubicki Draper. Q How long were you at Kubicki Draper? A Approximately three years. Q So three years at state attorney's office, right? A Just short of. Q Three years at Kubicki Draper? A Approximately, right. Q What type of firm was Kubicki Draper at the time? That would have been 2005-ish. A '04, '05, '06, '07. Insurance defense. Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800563
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57 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q So you left the state attorney's office and did insurance defense work? A Correct. Q What type of work did you do? Tell me the clients that you represented generally. A I represented individuals who were primarily car accident cases. Those are the types of trials that I tried. Again, my objective was get as many trials as I could at the firm. That -- it was primarily auto accident cases. Q So these are folks who were insured by insurance companies? A Right. Q And behalf of the insurance companies they would retain the law firm that you worked for to represent their insureds. A Right. Q And so the insureds were the folks that were being blamed for whatever the car accident was. Is that true? A For the most part. Q Did you have any plaintiff's cases on behalf of insureds? A I don't think so. Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800564
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58 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q So they would have all been where an insured was being sued by somebody claiming that their car caused them some injury, I take it. Is that right? A Right. Q Anything there other than A That's why I made that caveat before. Sometimes it wasn't they were being blamed for causing the accident. They owned the car or something like that. Dangerous instrumentality or something. Q I understand. So they were all defendants. Not plaintiffs. A Correct. Q I know you said earlier you tried a lot of cases at the state attorney's office. I saw somewhere in your file roughly 60 cases there. A At least. Q At least 60. Were any of those cases involving -- you mentioned a murder what I would call dangerous criminals? A Yeah, of course. Q Tell me some of the more dangerous criminals that you prosecuted during a trial. A Armed robbers. Q Armed robbers with guns? Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800565
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59 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A Right. Q Who else? A I mean, kidnappers. Any prosecuted cases where there were gang stabbings and -- plenty of violent criminals. Q Did any of those violent criminals, like the gang members and the murders and the kidnappers and the armed robbers, cause you to have any fear of physical injury to yourself? Were you afraid they were going to hurt you? A No. I don't believe so. It's hard to tap into old feelings like that and rewind time, but I don't think so. I never had any fear of them doing anything to me. Q I assume there were gang members that you were prosecuting and probably gang members you were not prosecuting within that category. A Sometimes you're prosecuting gang members and your best witness is also a gang member. That's the nature of that world. Q And you weren't afraid -- physically you weren't afraid of one of these gang members -- or prosecuting that case or being involved was going to come -- cause physical harm to you, were you? A No. Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800566
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60 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q What about the physical harm to your family, were you worried that -- I guess I should have asked. Were you married? A No. Predates all of that, so -- Q Fair enough. A Also, that's kind of a time period pre-family where you just generally have less responsibilities and less fears as a human being. Q When were you married? A 2005. Q Any of those folks ever get out of prison after you were married, people that you put away? A I assume. Q Were you worried that one of them was going to come back, since you prosecuted them, and hurt you or your family? You have that fear? A No. I never really put thought in my mind that their target was the prosecutor. I was just carrying out what my job was if there was evidence of a crime. Q You don't think they really liked you, do you -- the gang members and the murderers -- for you trying to put them in prison? A Assuming after they went to jail they didn't like me or the cops or the state attorney or the judge Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800567