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From: Deepak Chopra 
To: jeffrey E. <[email protected]> 
Subject: Re: Clock synchronisation, Relativity, Retrocausality and the Paranormal 
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2016 11:32:37 +0000 
I've met Paul Selig 
I'd like to know your experience 
Deepak Chopra 
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Carlsbad, CA 92009 
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On Aug 5, 2016, at 11:56 AM, Jeffrey E. <jeevacation®gmail.com> wrote: 
i did like the fart in cosmic time. . it appears we know the same woman. :) 
fyl my concisouness guys are bringing around an empath called paul selig at noon. 
im going to push the 
woo envelope. 
On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 2:26 AM, Deepak Chopra < 
wrote: 
or He comes around nastily 
Deepak Chopra 
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Carlsbad, CA 92009 
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Date: August 5, 2016 at 8:04:26 AM GMT+2 
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Subject: Re: Clock synchronisation, Relativity, Retrocausality and the Paranormal 
Einstein called it a stubbornly persistent illusion. 
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On Aug 4, 2016, at 10:42 PM, Deepak Chopra < 
wrote: 
Jack --we are all fictional characters in a cosmic dream -not even a sneeze or fart in cosmic time --time 
itself an illusion . 
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Carlsbad, CA 92009 
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From: Jack Sarfatti 
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2016 1:38:48 AM 
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Cc: Michelle Kathryn McGee; 
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Johnston; C Langan; Paul Zielinski; Leanne Whitney; Deepak Chopra; art wagner; John Horgan; David Kaiser; 
Stanley A. KLEIN; Rudy Tanzi; Henry P. Stapp; Stuart R - (hameroff) Hameroff; Jagdish Mann; Kim Burrafato; 
Russell Targ; Joseph Firmage; ErhardWerner; creon levit; nick herbert; 
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On Aug 4, 2016, at 9:26 PM, Deepak Chopra 
> wrote: 
All causality is fiction in a non local universe . 
U r writing fiction 
The universe is not nonlocal 
The universe is locally retrocausal at the quantum level 
The appearance of causality is a result of veiled non locality and cosmic censorship . 
Muddled malapropism 
The observer is an activity of the total universe as is the observed . 
If that makes u happy believe it 
Get over it people 
You can't use an illusion to explain an illusion 
Only psychotics cannot distinguish illusion from reality. 
Deepak Chopra 
2013 Costa Del Mar Road 
Carlsbad, CA 92009 
Super Genes: Unlock the Astonishing Power of Your DNA for Optimum Health and Wellbeing 
On Aug 5, 2016, at 3:09 AM, Michelle Kathryn McGee 
> wrote: 
Remi, 
It has been a dream of mine to make the acquaintance of a capable and open-minded physicist who 
would review my work. Feel free to delve as you wish. Any and all feedback is welcome. I have met 
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physicists over the years but none are willing to examine anything beyond the abstract. A good old 
fashioned Mexican stand-offl 
I am currently preparing a paper for Cosmos & History, the philosophy journal where the Foundation 
of Mind conference proceedings go. A late draft is attached. 
The title is "Notes from the existential underground: the universe as a complex emergent system." 
In it, I refer to Chris Langan's work from 2002 (CTMU) and my own from 2003 (Novel View): 
Implications of a novel view of the cosmological energy density and pressure relationship 
(Academia.edu link) 
Your daring sensibility in deconstructing Jack's pet retrocausality has been a pleasure to read. Many 
great teaching/learning points and connections. 
Regards, 
michelle 
On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 4:12 PM, Remi Cornwall <[email protected]> wrote: 
Yes of course but how are the measurements communicated? 
Say you have a box coupled electromagnetically to whatever its measuring and sending signals to control, how 
does the box communicate with the controller several miles away. By radio, yes, correct. What if the control 
communicates to the box by a quantum channel sending classical data with the measure/no-measure 
protocol**? 
At the bottom of it, relativity is all about metrology/horology. You're communicating time and length standards. 
Lets look at a time standard (limit to SR). The usual thing is clocks in a frame are moved from the origin very 
slowly to their destinations in the frame. They ping off the seconds and a record of their time and we can say, 
although they all keep the same rate of time, the distant ones are retarded or delayed as we read their times 
pinging every second back at the origin. We know full well that this is just the transit time but it is verboten to 
speak of distant observers having the same instant of time as oneself. This is the failure of simultaneity in time. 
What if now we communicate our clock standard by a quantum channel and the collapse protocol (discernable 
by an interferometer, 0: no measurement, 1: measurement••)? We know that the collapse is instantaneous (lets 
not argue that, it's been measured, at least retrospectively" ). We'd have simultaneity. 
Now we can compare putative retrocausal effects against this gold standard of simultaneity as, at least in one 
frame, we can say we have an absolute tick of the clock. To be truly retrocausal, with this time standard, I would 
need some phenomena where: variable = f( t1, t2, variable, d variable/dt, d this that/dt etc.) and not merely have 
some retarded time term r = t - r/c because our gold standard quantum channel synchronised clocks would 
catch this (ha ha, light is "slow"). 
And it just may be... a gifted psychic person gets into a trance in a laboratory (today) and says, "lets all not meet 
here next week because the security guard goes mad at 11.30 Friday and kills us all" (and he does turns up next 
week and has no-one to kill, as predicted and avoided). That would be truly retrocausal. The effect from next 
week just pops into that locale (that point in space and absolute time) and his head with no discernable causality 
(no wave equation no chugging of things through space-time, totally discontinuous). 
In fact the sine qua non of a retrocausal effect could only be this discontinuous generation of events on a space-
time diagram and the retrospective cognizance (or correlation) that it was connected to a future event WITH the 
absolute quantum channel time standard. 
Note, this rules out the "magic" of entanglement collapse as retrocausal, as we have gotten over this little 
miracle and now use it as technology for our clock standards. Ergo, retrocausal is something else beyond this. 
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