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ED-1057 (Rev. 5-8-10) 
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Title: (U//FOUO) ROBERT COUTURIER 
Date: 01/10/2019 
Drafted By: Missing 
Case ID #: 72-MM-NEW 
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Details: 
11/17/2010 ROBERT COUTURIER, business address 
phone number 
the above listed location. After being advised of the identity of 
interviewing agent, and the nature of the interview, COUTURIER 
provided the following information: COUTURIER first met JEFFREY 
EPSTEIN sometime between 1985-1988 and he was introduced to EPSTEIN by 
YSABEL GOLDSMITH. At that time, EPSTEIN was looking for a designer to 
decorate his place located at 9 East 71st Street, Manhattan, NY. 
COUTURIER was interviewed for the job but EPSTEIN did not hire him on 
that occasion. COUTURIER and EPSTEIN travel in the same social circles 
and there is a lot of gossip surrounding EPSTEIN. The talk is mostly 
about how much he enjoys the company of young girls and women. 
COUTURIER stated that EPSTEIN always made him feel uncomfortable and 
strange when he was around him so COUTURIER was friendly and courteous 
to him but does not consider EPSTEIN his friend There is no doubt 
that EPSTEIN is very intelligent and can carry a conversation about 
any subject but there is something about him that is weird and off-
putting. He is incredibly wealthy and COUTURIER believes that most 
people around him do not talk too much about him because that type of 
wealth usually buys power. Although people might have information 
about EPSTEIN they might be reluctant to talk; it is easier to excuse 
his bad behavior or turn a blind eye to it. COUTURIER stated that 
about six or seven months ago a woman by the name of 
who 
is EPSTEIN's assistant, called him and asked if he would consider 
taking on the challenge of decorating EPSTEIN's place in Manhattan and 
if he would also consider decorating his place in the US Virgin 
Islands (USVI). COUTURIER advised these are just two of the homes he 
currently owns but EPSTEIN also has an apartment in Paris, France and 
a huge ranch somewhere in the Midwest in the U.S. COUTURIER stated 
that by this time, he had heard of EPSTEIN's incarceration and thought 
that EPSTEIN had "paid his debt to society" and maybe things had 
changed with him so he went into the meeting trying to be objective 
EPSTEIN also stated that to be honest, he would be making a lot of 
money if he took the project. The first meeting took place sometime in 
business phone 
and cellular 
, was interviewed at his design studio at 
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, EPSTEIN's assistant, showed him 
the overall plans of the USVI house. Although EPSTEIN was supposed to 
attend the meeting he could not make it so 
handled it. Ten days 
later, EPSTEIN, 
, and his other assistant 
LAST NAME 
) all flew from Palm Beach, FL to the house on the USVI 
after the initial meeting. Sometime in June 2010, COUTURIER and 
EPSTEIN plus his assistants, flew to the USVI on EPSTEIN's private 
plane. They took it from Palm Beach to the island and stayed there for 
a day and a half. EPSTEIN was very excited and appeared to be like a 
kid with a new toy. COUTURIER recalls that EPSTEIN kept the house very 
cold and his bedroom was white but had no lights in the room, it was 
dark and very austere. The focal point of the room was an enormous 
bed. EPSTEIN also showed him another room in which he wanted to place 
four beds and wanted to have it decorated in a very colorful palette 
for his girls. EPSTEIN told COUTURIER him that he does not have any 
friends and that he does not really like people. EPSTEIN stated that 
he has girls coming to spend time with him in the island. EPSTEIN then 
lamented that "the girls" are only interested in Facebook and MySpace 
and that he wanted the space in this bedroom to be comfortable and 
have access to the Internet as they were online so much. COUTURIER did 
not ask how old these girls were or anything about them. He did not 
ask him any personal questions. COUTURIER stated that on the flight 
back he grew increasingly uncomfortable. Although he did not see any 
of the young girls that EPSTEIN was talking about he was not sure if 
he could do this job for him. COUTURIER added that every time he met 
with EPSTEIN he had his assistants there who are all very attractive 
young women and others unknown to him but all appeared to be over the 
age of 18. EPSTEIN also showed COUTURIER his home on 71th street in 
Manhattan, NY as he wanted him to decorate that place also. COUTURIER 
showed him a massage room where he had photographs ("artistic 
renditions" according to COUTURIER) of young women in the nude, 
ranging from age 15 through 20 all hanging from the walls of this 
massage room. COUTURIER did not ask him any questions about this room 
and moved on to the rest of the house. COUTURIER then came back to New 
York and started out drawing plans and although he did not have a 
contract, EPSTEIN did give him a check for $50,000.00 as a deposit for 
his services. COUTURIER stated that his plans went back and forth 
between his offices and EPSTEIN's people but EPSTEIN never seemed 
happy. COUTURIER sent some of his associates back to the USVI to take 
measurements and adjust his plans and EPSTEIN was pleased in some 
aspects but was still highly critical. COUTURIER then decided that 
this was not the right job for him. COUTURIER stated that in the back 
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of his mind, he wanted to have "a way out" should he decide that he 
could not work with EPSTEIN which was why he did not have a formal 
contract signed. EPSTEIN was very difficult to work with and COUTURIER 
found that EPSTEIN had not changed his pattern of behavior obviously 
if he was having the home in the USVI decorated for girls to stay with 
him. This did not sit well with COUTURIER. He then wrote EPSTEIN a 
note apologizing for not being able to take on this job. COUTURIER 
stated that he could not just drop everything or any of his projects 
whenever EPSTEIN wanted him at the site (USVI). EPSTEIN was very 
persistent but COUTURIER was firm in his decision. In July 2010, 
EPSTEIN tried to sue him for his deposit and he has many attorneys at 
his disposal who are very aggressive. COUTURIER's attorney stated that 
if they decided to litigate this case, it was going to be a long 
process. COUTURIER decided to settle and returned $15,000.00 to 
EPSTEIN to save himself the hassle of litigation. COUTURIER stated 
that EPSTEIN and 
were a couple but had broken up. At one point 
COUTURIER had spoken to 
about her break-up with EPSTEIN. 
She told him, "I have seen him do horrific things" but did not 
elaborate. 
is still his assistant and they are on friendly 
terms. COUTURIER stated he believed that 
although very pretty, 
was now too old for EPSTEIN even though she is in her 30s. COUTURIER 
stated there are people in New York who are outraged about EPSTEIN's 
lenient sentence for his sex trafficking charges. One person who has 
followed the story and written about JEFFREY COUTURIER is 
, phone number 
. AMY FIENNE-COLLINS also wrote an article for "Vanity Fair" 
on child prostitution but the article met with much resistance. 
COUTURIER concluded by saying that although this would job would have 
generated a lot of income for his company, he simply could not do it 
and although he tried to remain objective, his conscience would not 
let him continue this project. COUTURIER provided the following 
information regarding JEFFREY EPSTEIN's contacts: ASSISTANTS: 
(NY) 
(NY) 
(Palm Beach) 
BRICE LNU 
(USVI) 
RICHARD BARNETT 
III (Attorney) RICH KAHN • 
COUTURIER also provided the 
New York Residence: 9 East 71st Street New York, NY 
jeevacation@gmail.com Palm Beach Residence: 358 El Brillo Way Palm 
Beach, FL 33480 
(Butler in NY) 
following 
(USVI) 
 
 OTHER EMPLOYEES: 
DARREN INDYKE 
(Accountant) 
information for JEFFREY EPSTEIN: 
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