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(The witness entered the grand jury room.) 
having been duly sworn by the grand jury foreperson, 
was examined and testified on her oath as follows: 
EXAMINATION 
Q 
Good morning, special agent 
you restate and spell your name for the record. 
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It's 
Could 
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Can you remind the grand jury who you are 
employed by? 
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The FBI. 
Q 
I know that you testified here a few weeks ago. 
was there anything from that testimony that you wanted to 
correct? 
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I did. I was asked by one of you Mr. Epstein's 
age, and I confused him with another individual in another 
one of my cases. His birthdate is January 20, 1953. We 
are looking at the time period of 2004 and 2005. So 
Mr. Epstein would have been about 51 or 52-years-old, and 
I believe I told you he was 45. So at the time we're 
looking during this investigation, he is 51 or 52. 
Q 
how did this case first come 
to the attention of the police? 
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In March of 2005„ 
our youngest 
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identified victim -- her stepmother called the Palm Beach 
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police department and reported that she believed that her 
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stepdaughter had been molested by a male that resided in 
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the town of Palm Beach. 
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So today we are going to talk about ■ 
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Yes. 
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And we are using her initial to protect her 
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identity, correct? 
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Yes. 
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Can you tell the grand jurdilIIIIIII 
date of 
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birth? 
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And you mentioned that the call came in from 
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stepmother in March of 2005, correct? 
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Yes. 
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So how old was 
at that time? 
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She was 14. 
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Where does 
live? 
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lives in the Loxahatchee-Royal Palm Beach 
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area here in Palm Beach County. 
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At the time, in 2005, what school was she 
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attending? 
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Royal Palm Beach High School. 
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What year was she in school? 
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She was a ninth-grader there. 
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You mentioned that her stepmother called the 
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Palm Beach police department. What did the police 
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department do in response to that call? 
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They wanted to interview 
I believe it was 
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the next day they went out to where 
was attending 
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school at that time, which I think was High Ridge. They 
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interviewed ■ 
at High Ridge and wanted to get her side 
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of what took place. 
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Because we'll be referring to this throughout, 
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what was the name of the detective who conducted that 
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first interview? 
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Detective 
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So in March of 2005, detective 
talked with 
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ever interviewed at any other times? 
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Yes. She was interviewed -- they talked to her 
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again. She placed some controlled calls for them later 
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that month, we will talk about that later. As well as 
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she was interviewed about a year later in July of 2006. 
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Not interviewed, but she testified before the grand jury 
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for the State of Florida. So she was interviewed by 
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detective Pagan in March of 2005, and then about a year or 
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three or four months later, in July of 2006, she testified 
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before a grand jury with the State of Florida. 
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In preparation for your appearance today, did 
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you have a chance to interview 
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Yes, 
I did. 
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And when was that? 
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Last night. 
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Back in March of 2005, you mentioned that 
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detective Pagan met with 
on or more than one 
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occasion? 
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Yes. 
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Q 
If you could give us sort of an overview of what 
reported during these interviews, and then if there 
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are specific discrepancies or differences, we will return 
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to those later. 
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All right. On February 5, 2005, it was a 
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Saturday, and 
was at 'use, 
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She 
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was there with her boyfriend, 
And because these 
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are minors, we'll refer to them without using their last 
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names, so I'll use those initials. 
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They were ateresidence, and 
is 
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boyfriend, which is also 
cousin. So they 
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were all at 
house, and 
was on the phone with 
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an individual that ■ 
refers to as the assistant. 
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described the assistant as a tall blonde. 
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So throughout I'll refer to her as the blonde lady, if 
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that's okay. 
was unable to recall her name. So 
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is on the phone with the assistant for Jeffrey 
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Epstein. 
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the phone 
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describing 
describing 
to the lady on 
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the phone. So when 
gets off the phone, 
and 
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was being described to 
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this lady on the phone. 
becomes upset when 
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asks". if she would like to go to Palm Beach and give a 
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man a massage that she knows. 
agrees, and this 
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upsets 
and an argument ensues where 
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go into the bathroom and they argue outside the presence 
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of 
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Let me stop you there. Was supposed to be 
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paid for giving this massage? 
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Yes. 
told 
that she would be paid 
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$200 or $300, I believe. 
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is also 
cousin, correct? 
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Yes. 
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What was 
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arguing? 
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She has told us that she believed that 
ust 
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have known what 
was doing for this man and the work 
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that did 
for Mr. Epstein, and that is why vas 
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SO upset. 
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You mentioned that 
boyfriend, and 
idea about why they were 
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new that this wasn't just a regular 
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massage that was going to take place? 
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Yes. 
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So 
illlidecide to do? 
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decides to go. 
have this argument. What does 
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Because she wanted to make the $200 or $300? 
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Yes. 
Q 
So tell us then what happened after that 
meeting? 
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The next day, February 6 -- they discussed that 
evening about going the next day. We do have on 
phone records two calls that were placed. One was placed 
to 
cell phone, and the other was placed to 
Jef rey Epstein's residence the night of February 5. 
The next dayais 
contacted a couple of times 
before Arrives. 
Each time prior to ill"
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contacted by... 
a call is placed by 
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cell phone. M M.., I should tell you, is 
Jeffrey's assistant. 
So on Sunday a call was placed to IIIIIIIIII!at 
and then shortly after that a call was made to El 
same series occurs again, but this time 
places a 
call to Mr. Epstein's residence, and then its 
called 
again. 
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another girl in the car, 
So the two of them 
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arrive atIIIIIII residence, and they continue over to 
Mr. Epstein's house. 
Q 
I'll'. 
is driving with 
Do you 
know how they were sitting? 
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You know, I'm not sure how they were sitting, 
but I know that it was a pickup truck that 
drove, 
and 
was the driver. I'm not sure exactly the 
placement of the other two girls, but they were in the 
truck. 
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And Sas 
able to describe how they travelled 
to the island of Palm Beach? 
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Yes. She gave directions -- you know, the best 
that she could on how she was able to come to 
Mr. Epstein's residence. 
Q 
Once they arrived at the residence, what 
happened? 
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I should have mentioned that either the night 
before or the day of, there were some things that IIIIII 
tells 
One, she tells illlithat she is to tell, if 
asked, that she is 18-years-of-age, that she attends high 
school, that she's in the 12th grade, and I believe it was 
Wellington High School that she was to say that she went 
to. 
Talking to illillast night, ■ 
told us that 
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once she arrived at the residence hells 
her that she 
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may possibly be asked to take her clothes off. She also 
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tells her that she can stay in her bra, but she may be 
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asked to take her clothes off. And 
told us last 
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night that that's when she knew for the first time that 
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she might have to possibly remove her clothes. 
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At this point they proceed to enter the 
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residence. IIIIIIPescribes him as a security person. He 
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approached and asked what they were doing there, and IIIIII 
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said they were there to see Mr. Epstein, or see Jeffrey. 
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He allowed them entry into the kitchen area by the pool, 
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and i 
describes that area. So now 
and 
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IIIIllare all sitting in the kitchen. A short time goes 
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by and Mr. Epstein, as well as the assistant, enter the 
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kitchen. 
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And I know that you mentioned thatillildid not 
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know the name of the lady who was there in the kitchen, 
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correct? 
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Right. 
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Q 
She just described her as a blonde, tall lady? 
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Yes. 
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Was 
also interviewed about what happened 
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that day? 
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She was interviewed by the Palm Beach police 
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identify the person who was on the 
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phone with her as 
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knew 
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Yes. 
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So you mentioned that the three girls are in the 
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kitchen, along with Jeffrey and the person 
calls the 
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blonde lady? 
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Yes. 
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What happened then? 
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follows the blonde lady upstairs to 
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Mr. Epstein's bedroom. The blonde lady proceeds to take 
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out a massage table and set it up, prepare it. She also 
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takes out some lotions to be used during the massage. 
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told me last night that the blonde lady asked her to 
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remove her clothing, and then left the room and said that 
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Mr. Epstein would be in shortly. 
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What happened after she left the room? 
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Shortly after that, Mr. Epstein does come into 
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the room and shakes 
hand. 
told us last night 
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that Mr. Epstein told her to remove her clothing. He 
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leaves the room and comes back in just a towel, and he 
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tells her again to -- she is at that point -- when he 
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walked in the lirst time she had on her bra and her pants. 
Yes, she did. 
So even though 
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When he comes back in, he tells her that she needs to take 
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her pants ofI . So she took her pants of'. So now she's 
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in her bra and underwear. 
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At some point did 
tell any of the people 
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who interviewed her what was running through her mind? 
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She stated at one point that she was upstairs 
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with him, with the man, and thatMill was downstairs. I 
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guess she says, "What could ilIlli 
do? She's downstairs, 
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I'm upstairs." So she did what she was asked to do. 
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So now you mention that Mr. Epstein is here 
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wearing just a towel, and 
has removed both her shirt 
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and her pants, is that correct? 
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Yes. 
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Q 
Tell us what happens then? 
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Mr. Epstein gets on the massage table lying on 
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his stomach and instructs 
how to do the massage. He 
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tells her to put some lotion on her hand and instructs her 
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on how to actually perform the massage. At one point 
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during the massage he tells 
that she would be more 
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comfortable to get on top of him, so i 
gets on top of 
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him and straddles Mr. Epstein's back. 
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The way 
describes it is Mr. Epstein is 
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laying on the table, he has a towel covering his bottom, 
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and she is straddling him with her bottom touching the 
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towel and some skin touching his lower back. She was kind 
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of sitting -- it sounds like sitting on his rear end, but 
with part of her skin touching him -- the front of him, 
but he had a towel across his bottom. 
Q 
What happens as she is providing the massage to 
his back? 
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The massage goes on. She said the entire 
massage lasted anywhere from 30 to 45 minutes. At one 
point Mr. Epstein excuses himself for a few minutes, one 
or two minutes briefly, illlistates that she can hear 
Mr. Epstein moaning or groaning, and states that she 
believes he was, in her words, "wacking off" or 
masturbating. She didn't say masturbating, she said 
"wacking off." I am going to use that she believes he was 
masturbating. 
Then he returns. At this point he gets back on 
the table lying on his back and asks her to start 
massaging his chest. So she begins to massage his chest. 
Q 
Does he keep the towel on? 
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No, at this point the towel is removed. When he 
comes back and he gets back on the table, the towel is 
removed and she is massaging his chest. 
Q 
What does he do as she is massaging his chest? 
A 
He moves his hand up and down his penis. So he 
continued to masturbate on the table. He asked 
at 
some point during this time, if she would like to make an 
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vibrator on her, and she does agree. 
describes it as 
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digitally penetrated her? 
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The vibrator is used. At some point he does 
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digitally penetrate her. And these are her words. She 
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is her word -- he sarcastically says, "What's the matter?" 
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And she at that point just kind of looks away, and he 
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continues on with the digital penetration. In the last 
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three to lour minutes of that, he begins to masturbate 
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again. 
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At the conclusion of the sexual activity, 
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Mr. Epstein wipes his penis ofI with a towel. i 
was 
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asked if he ejaculated. She did not see him ejaculate, 
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but saw him wipe his penis off with a towel. 
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was 
able to provide a physical description 
a massage. 
agrees. He asked her if he could use a 
a purple vibrator that was used on her vagina, and she 
said this goes on for about ten minutes. 
At some point during that massage the vibrator 
is not used anymore and digital penetration takes place. 
dillidescribes him as fingering her. 
Q 
What did she say happened when Mr. Epstein 
looks at him kind of funny, and he sarcastically -- which 
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Including of his penis? 
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Yes. 
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Q 
Was she also able to provide a description of 
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her surroundings in that massage area? 
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Yes. 
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Q 
Was that description accurate? 
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Yes. According to other testimony we have 
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gotten from other victims, yes. 
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And a search was performed on Mr. Epstein's 
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house? 
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Yes. The Palm Beach police department did 
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perform a search, and several of the items that were 
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described were found in the house. 
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After Mr. Epstein wiped himself off, what 
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happened? 
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He told 
that she was getting the extra 
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hundred dollars because he was allowed to use the vibrator 
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on her and had fingered her. The massage had been 
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concluded, the sexual activity had been concluded. He 
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gets up and leaves for a brief moment of time and comes 
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back with $300 and pays 
the $300. I believe he told 
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that she could see herself out. 
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Q 
Before we leave that room, when i 
was either 
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being directed to the room or was inside that room where 
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the massage took place, was there anything in particular 
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that she noted seeing? 
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She noted seeing several naked pictures of girls 
in the room, a mural or pictures of naked girls either 
exposing their breasts or completely naked. 
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While the massage was going on, did Mr. Epstein 
talk tole 
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Yes, he did. 
Q 
And did he talk about sexual conquests with 
girls? 
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Yes, he did. 
Q 
Once Mr. Epstein has provided ■ 
with the 
$300, what did she do? 
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She went back downstairs and she, 
and 
eave the residence. In the car they
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a 
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how 
much money she has made, and she tells them $300. IIIII 
wants to see the money. She shows the money to
 and 
illill
asks what did she do. At that point itells 
her 
that he fingered her, as well as used a vibrator. 
Q 
When they left the house, where did they go? 
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When they left the house, they were on their way 
to a mall to go shopping with the money that they had 
received from Mr. Epstein. i 
had told 
the night 
before that she needed some shoes and wanted to go to the 
mall, and she was going to Mr. Epstein's to pick up some 
money. That was another reason that she had for going to 
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Mr. Epstein's house that day, and that they were going to 
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go shopping after she got her money, and that 
could 
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make some money. 
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During that ride, did 'ill realize that 
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received money from Mr. Epstein? 
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Yes. At some point
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received S200, but is unsure that 
ver gave a 
a 
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massage. So at that particular times 
did not know why 
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she had gotten the $200, because she didn't think that 
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illillhad had time to give a massage. 
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In 
interview, did she explain what she 
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got the $200 for? 
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told the Palm Beach police department in 
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her interview that she received her $200 for bringing 
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to the house. 
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You mentioned that there were these three 
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different time periods that 
was interviewed: Shortly 
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after the events, at the time of the state grand jury 
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proceedings, and when you met with her, correct? 
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Yes. 
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And there were some discrepancies between the 
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different interviews. Can you explain some of those to 
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the grand jury. 
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Before we go and get to that, I want to make 
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sure that -- when we discussed what 
was told in the 
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interview with 
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don't know if I 
said that, but I want to make sure you know that we first 
learned that 
had been fingered by listening to the 
interview that was conducted between the Palm Beach police 
department and 
not from 
When I talk later, I 
just want to make sure you realize that that had not 
initially come out in 
interview, but through the 
interview with
So going back. I'm sorry, discrepancies? 
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Yes. 
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I met with 
last night to discuss some of 
the discrepancies when looking at what she had talked to 
detective 
about in March of 2005 and what she had 
testified to in the grand jury in July of 2006. Reading 
the testimony and listening to the tapes, or reading the• 
transcript, there were a lew discrepancies. 
One of the first ones we talked about was what 
had told her about going to Mr. Epstein's house. 
She tells detective 
that she was told about the 
massage, told about getting $200, but that she was not 
told that she would have to take her clothes ofl. She 
didn't know she would have to perform the massage naked. 
When I asked her last night that question, she 
told me that when she got to the house prior to going into 
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Mr. Epstein's residence, that 
did tell her that she 
may be asked to take ofl her clothes. She also did state 
that 
told her she could stay in her bra. 
So I wanted you to know that there was a 
discrepancy in what she originally had told detective 
Pagan and what she told me last night. That would be one. 
The second discrepancy I wanted to touch on with 
her was going upstairs and taking off her clothing. When 
she is in that room, she states to detective Pagan that 
asked her to remove her clothing, and she took off 
her shirt. Then Mr. Epstein came in the room, shook her 
hand and told her to take off her clothes. He leaves, he 
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comes back in a towel. He tells her again. 
tells 
detective 
in a stern voice, "Mr. Epstein told me to 
take off my pants." Because she hadn't taken off her 
pants from the first time that she met him. 
In her testimony with the grand jury with the 
state, she tells the grand jury that it was 
who 
asked her to remove her clothing. So last night we went 
over with her who told her to remove what. She had a very 
hard time recalling exactly. She knew she had gotten down 
to her bra and underwear. And then at some point, when 
we're going through the sexual activity, she actually 
tells me that her underwear was off when he was using the 
vibrator and digitally penetrating her. 
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Later in the interview, we tell her about what 
we have in her testimony to the grand jury and her 
statements made to detective Pagan. And she really is 
having a difficult time trying to remember who told her to 
take ofl her clothes and her pants. As we are walking 
through the sexual activity, she does recall and states 
that it was Mr. Epstein who told her to take ofl her 
pants. 
I guess I'll go to the third discrepancy. Is 
there anything I left off with that? 
Q 
Well, does she report that when the assistant 
leads 
or the blonde lady leads her upstairs, that the 
blonde lady also said, "Get undressed," but that ■ 
didn't get fully undressed? 
A 
That's what she said in her statement to the 
detective, when she gives her first statement. She tells 
us again last night that that's what she recalled. 
Q 
That the lady said first, •Get undressed," but 
she doesn't get fully undressed. And when Jeffrey comes 
back, he said, "Take your pants off.•? 
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Yes. And again, like I said, when we started 
interviewing her and asking her about this, she did have a 
hard time. But when we were walking through the sexual 
activity, that's when she recalls who told her to take off 
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originally interviewed by detective Pagan about the 
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She also says that to the grand jury, she talks about the 
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purple vibrator being used on her. 
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being used on her. When we asked her about him digitally 
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penetrating her, and that 
had told the police 
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department that she had been fingered, 
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night that she was fingered by Mr. Epstein, but that she 
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did not want her father to know that he had fingered her. 
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tell you, when we talked about the 
sexual activity, and it comes out that she wasn't wearing 
her underwear when he was digitally penetrating her and 
using the vibrator, she does not recall how they came off. 
She cannot remember removing her underwear. She doesn't 
remember if Mr. Epstein removed her underwear. She knows 
her underwear was off, but she cannot tell you exactly at 
what point her underwear was removed. 
Q 
Let's talk about the third discrepancy. 
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The third is the sexual activity, when she was 
Pagan comes and sees her again a few weeks later, she does 
tell her at that time that a vibrator was used on her. 
Last night she told us about the purple vibrator 
thought only her and 
knew about this and that she 
She didn't want anybody to know, but she especially didn't 
want her father to know, that that was her business. That
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had told anybody, she thought 
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that knew. She was embarrassed 
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and didn't want anybody to know that. 
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Did she become visually upset? 
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Yes, she began crying when we asked her about 
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being digitally penetrated. When she realized that we 
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knew about that, she became very upset and concerned about 
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her father. She mentioned that her father has read a lot 
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of the reports in the State of Florida, and has followed 
to 
the state's case. She was concerned about even telling 
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about this. 
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We explained to her that the FBI's reporting is 
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a little bit different than the way the state -- those are 
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public records, and ours is part of our case file. 
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Q 
In addition to the fact that she had these 
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concerns about her father and she was embarrassed, in your 
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experience of interviewing victims of sexual abuse, is it 
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typical for them to not disclose all of the sexual 
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activity? 
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A 
Yes, it's very typical. And young girls, they 
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don't want to talk about it. This is just another case of 
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her not wanting to tell exactly what took place. 
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Q 
After that first visit to Mr. Epstein's house, 
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and the interviews with detective 
did detective 
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