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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT 
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA 
IN RE: OPERATION LEAP YEAR 
APPEARANCES: 
ESQUIRE 
Federal Grand Jury, 07-103 
West Palm Beach, Florida 
May 8, 2007 
Assistant United States Attorney 
JOSETTE JONES-PARSONS, Foreperson 
TESTIMONY 
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Exhibit 24 
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The sworn testimony of 
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was taken before the Federal Grand Jury, West Palm 
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Beach Division, West Palm Beach, Palm Beach County, 
State of Florida, on the 8th day of May, 2007. 
Philip W. May, Court Reporter, was authorized to 
and did report the sworn testimony. 
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(The witness entered the grand jury room.) 
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having peen auiy sworn py cne grana jury coreperson, 
was examined and testified on her oath as follows: 
EXAMINATION 
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Could you start by reminding us of your name and 
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where you're employed. 
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Palm Beach on their violent crimes squad. 
And you are one of the case agents in Operation 
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Leap Year? 
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Yes, I am. 
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Did you recently participate in an interview of 
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was born on 
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And you spoke with her recently'' 
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Yes, we did. 
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So she was 18 at the time of the interview? 
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Yes, I believe she was. 
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Who is 
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/as identified by the Palm Beach 
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Police Department as one of the girls who had frequented 
Mr. Epstein's house. 
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How exactly did the Palm Beach Police Department 
determine that she was one of those girls? 
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When they did their search warrant at 
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Mr. Epstein's residence, some message pads were obtained 
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at his residence, and they had several calls from a girl 
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and phone numbers. So they were able to 
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those messages back to 
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Did the Palm Beach Police Department try to 
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interview Miss 
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They did. 
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Did she agree to speak with them? 
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No. She stated that she loved Jeffrey Epstein, 
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and that she would not say anything positive or negative 
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about what occurred. 
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After the FBI became involved in this 
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investigation, did you try to interview 
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we did, as well, with no such luck, as well. 
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How long ago was it that you first made contact 
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with Miss 
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It was back in November of '06. 
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Did you try to serve her with a subpoena issued 
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on behalf of this grand jury? 
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Yes, we did. 
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What happened? 
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She refused service of the grand jury subpoena. 
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But she was notified of when her appearance was expected 
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here, and a subpoena was left with her. 
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After that, did she obtain an attorney? 
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Yes, she did. 
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Who was that? 
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Jim Eisenberg. He's a well-known defense 
attorney here in West Palm Beach. 
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Who paid for that attorney? 
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Mr. Epstein is paying for MU 
attorney. 
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Now once Miss 
secured the attorney, did 
she agree to be interviewed? 
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Yes, she did, after she was granted 6001 
immunity. She requested immunity. 
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Did the justice department authorize that grant 
of immunity? 
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Yes, they did. 
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After that, did she agree to be interviewed? 
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Yeah. It was only after she was given that 
immunity that she would talk with us. 
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When did the interview take place? 
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It took place at the end of April of this year, 
so just a few weeks ago. 
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Who was present at that interview? 
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Myself; my partner, agent 
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the AUSA, 
her attorney, Jim Eisenberg, and his 
investigator; as well as 
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what did Miss 
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was told 
She stated that she had met an individual by the 
at a party who had asked her if she 
make a few bucks by giving a man a massage. She 
that Mr. Epstein preferred them to be topless, 
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and she agreed to go to his house to give him a massage. 
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How old did Miss 
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tell you she was at that 
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She stated she was 16 when she first started 
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giving Mr. Epstein massages. 
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Based upon your review of the evidence, is that 
correct? 
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No. We have phone records where 
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(phonetic), Mr. Epstein's assistant, is contacting 
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on her cell phone, or using her cell phone to call 
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cell phone starting in April of 2004, which makes 
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So she said that she was 16, but your evidence 
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shows that she was 15, and she said that she was told she 
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could make a few bucks giving a topless massage? 
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Yes. 
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What else did Miss 
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That she went to Mr. Epstein's residence, that 
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took her there the first time, that when she went 
upstairs she was paid $200 when she first got there by 
Then she goes upstairs, and Mr. Epstein 
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comes in, he disrobes, puts on a towel, lays down on the 
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massage table and she begins to massage him. 
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She tells Epstein that she heard he likes 
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topless massages, and he told her that he did. And she 
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said, "Who wouldn't?" And she ended up taking off her top 
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during the first massage. But 
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Epstein did not at any point touch her during the massage. 
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But does she admit that he touched himself? 
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Yes. On the second massage, Mr. Epstein asked 
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her to leave her phone number with 
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was left there. On the second massage, she returned the 
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very next day and gave him another massage. This time, 
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Mr. Epstein masturbated in front of her. 
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Did Miss■ 
admit that he masturbated on 
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more than one occasion in her presence? 
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Yes, masturbated. And I think her term was that 
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he "released," meaning that he ejaculated. 
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How long of a period of time did Miss 
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tell you that she performed massages? 
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She wasn't able to give us a number of massages, 
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but just said that it was a lot, and that she had been 
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giving him massages for a year. 
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You mentioned to the grand jury that Miss 
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said that Mr. Epstein never touched her, correct? 
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Yes. 
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And she was very adamant about that? 
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Yes, she was. 
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Were there other things that she was adamant 
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about in her interview with you? 
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Well, she talked about what she would tell the 
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girls that -- and that she told Mr. Epstein that she was 
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18. I'm sorry, I take that back. She was told to say 
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that she was 18, and she told us that she had a fake I.D. 
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showing that she was 18. 
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So she passed that information along to the 
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other girls when she brought -- eventually she brought 
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other girls to perform massages, and that was one of the 
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things that she told -- she told us first that she brought 
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18- to 20-year old girls. And then she stated that if the 
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girls lied, and they were underage, she told them that 
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they needed to tell Epstein that they were 18. 
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Have you been able to identify some of the girls 
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that Miss 
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Yes. 
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Were any of those girls over 18? 
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No, not that we found so far. 
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Have any of the girls told investigators about 
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what Mr. Epstein knew about their ages? 
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I'm sorry, say that again. 
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Have any of the girls who came through 
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been interviewed about what Mr. Epstein knew about 
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their ages? 
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We did interview them regarding that, and I'm 
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not sure if he asked them. They were all told to say they 
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were 18, but not on every occasion would Mr. Epstein 
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inquire about their age. 
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Do you want to check your records on that? 
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Yes, could I do that? 
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Yes, please do. 
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I can tell you that one of the girls that she 
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school, and actually told him her true age, which was 
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So what 
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really the case? 
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No, that wasn't. Sorry. 
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That's all right, I just wanted to make sure 
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it's clear. 
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fake I.D.? 
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Yes. 
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Did she ever say that Mr. Epstein either asked 
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for her age or asked to see her I.D.? 
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No, the topic never came up. 
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Did you also ask her about how appointments were 
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made? 
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Yes. She was very clear in the fact that 
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call her once Jeffrey was in town. 
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So she was adamant that the calls only happened 
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when she was already here? 
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Yes. 
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Were you made aware that Epstein's counsel was 
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informed that he was being investigated for traveling to 
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engage in prostitution, which means that the appointments 
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would have been made before the traveling? 
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Yes. 
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Was there anything else, besides the issue of 
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age and the issue of when the appointments were made, that 
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sounded coached or that she was especially adamant about? 
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No, I wouldn't say coached. I mean, we talked 
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about the preferences that Jeffrey discussed, as far as 
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which girls he would like 
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told us that he liked different faces, so he would 
to bring other girls. We asked her if he ever 
preferences of what he preferred, and her 
ask her 
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response was that Epstein liked girls like her, which is 
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thin and blond and attractive. 
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And how old was she at the time? 
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She was 15. 
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So thin, blonde, attractive and --
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Young, girls like her. I guess we asked if she 
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ever made a mistake, or ever brought somebody that Mr. 
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Epstein didn't take to. She said that she had screwed up 
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and that she had brought a black girl to Mr. Epstein, and 
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that Epstein was not interested in black girls. But he 
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did pay her, and said that he wasn't a racist. He paid 
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her the $200 for her time, but did not want her to perform 
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a massage for him. 
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And he didn't allow that girl to perform a 
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massage? 
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No. 
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Was there anything else that Miss 
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about in the interview that you want to share with the 
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grand jury? 
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I did ask her at the end of the interview if she 
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was in love with Mr. Epstein. She looked into the camera 
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and said that she loved him like a friend. But then she 
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kind of looked into the camera and gave a wink and a smile 
and said, "But with your money, I'd marry you any time, 
Jeffrey." 
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Did she also say that she considered him to be 
an "awesome guy"? 
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Several times she referred to him as an "awesome 
guy". She said that the girls begged her to come and that 
the girls didn't have a complaint, and the girls would 
share with her everything that happened after the massage, 
and that Jeffrey never touched any of the girls. But as 
informed you, we did interview some of the girls that she 
took, and he has touched them. 
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In preparation for your testimony today, did you 
also speak with someone who is considered to be an expert 
in these cases? 
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Yes. 
And what is that person's name? 
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Ken Canning. 
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Has Mr. Canning been qualified to testify as an 
expert in federal and state courts in cases that involve 
what he calls "compliant victims"? 
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Yes. 
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What does he mean by the term "compliant 
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A compliant victim is when a victim is not 
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necessarily forced into the conduct that the offender 
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wants them to engage into, that they actually consent to 
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that kind of activity. 
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So that would include minors who are subjected 
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to sexual activity but weren't necessarily kidnapped or 
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forced at gunpoint, or something like that? 
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Exactly. 
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Did he discuss with you the difficulties that 
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exist when you interview those types of victims? 
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Yes. He stated that a compliant victim is often 
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times embarrassed that they went along with the behavior. 
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being interviewed by investigators, that they'll deny it 
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or they'll minimize it. Sometimes it takes two, three or 
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multiple interviews to get compliant victims to either 
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trust their interviewer or realize that their interviewer 
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is not going to be judgemental. 
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In this case, have you found that to be the case 
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with some of the interviews? 
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Yes, I have. 
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In addition to being embarrassed, sometimes 
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these victims feel guilty about the fact that they were 
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involved in this type of activity? 
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Oh, yes. 
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Does Mr. Lanning also have expertise in sexual 
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Yes, he does. 
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Did he explain why an offender would select the 
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types of victims that are involved in this case, girls 
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This type of offender, the sexual preference he 
developed but not necessarily mentally matured. The girls 
ranging in this age are sometimes inexperienced, they are 
possibly naive, not as worldly. 
An offender of this type could also maybe not 
feel sexually adequate or feel competent dealing with his 
own age group. So knowing that these girls are less 
experienced, may focus on them as well. 
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In addition to their emotional immaturity, did 
Mr. Lanning talk about whether or not younger girls are 
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Yes. 
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Did he talk to you about "grooming•? 
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Yeah. That's what an offender will use with a 
compliant victim. He told us that grooming is a technique 
where you gain the cooperation of those victims by 
focusing on their interests and playing up to those 
interests. It's a type of seduction, he called it. That 
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Can you give us an example of some of the types 
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With one of the girls we're going to talk about 
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her. She only went to three or four 
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massages at this time, that she's admitted to. We feel 
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that there may be more there. At this point she has 
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stated to us that she has performed three or four massages 
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for Mr. Epstein. 
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what he did is when she first went there he 
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played upon -- she was very shy, and he would play upon 
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that shyness. He told her that she was pretty. He asked 
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her to remove her clothing, and she would not. So he kind 
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showed interest in her, talked about her boyfriend and 
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different interests she had. 
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not take off her clothes, he tells her that if she's 
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willing to do more, she will make more. He also tells her 
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that he would pay her if she would bring other girls. As 
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the massages increased, you can see that the next time she 
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comes he plays again to that shyness, but he gets a little 
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time she does comply and takes off her 
he asked her to 
disrobe on the second massage. She takes off her blouse, 
but she refuses to take off the bra after Mr. Epstein 
asked her to. 
So you can see that he tries through showing 
interest. And then he actually -- when he sees that this 
isn't working, he takes a more authoritative role with her 
in the last massage. She said that throughout all of 
these massages he was very nice, and then at the end he 
was much more frustrated and irritated. She does get down 
to her bra and panties on that one, he's just much 
more authoritative. 
So he started with the grooming process, tried 
to get her interest, tried to use that to get her to 
comply with removing her clothes. But as often happens, 
at the end of this, he took over and was much more 
forceful with his requests. 
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Have other girls described that same situation 
where every time they went back, he tried to push it one 
step further and one step further? 
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Yes. Several of the girls have said that he 
would always push for more and more. 
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Did Mr. Lanning explain why it is that a 
compliant child victim cannot legally consent to the 
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Yeah. He stated that -- you know, we talked 
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about how the law protects children, and stated that we 
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hold adults accountable. When it comes to adolescents, 
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they go through normal tendencies that mature offenders 
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may try to take advantage of. But the law is in place for 
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that reason, to protect -- in the federal law, to protect 
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those individuals under the age of 18. 
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And that's because of the different maturity 
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levels of the --
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The offender versus the victims, exactly. 
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Did you put together the photographs of the 
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defendants in this case? 
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Yes, I did. 
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Are these photographs of the four human 
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defendants who are named in the proposed indictment? 
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Yes. 
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With their names underneath them? 
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Yes. 
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Agent, who is in the top left-hand corner? 
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That's Jeffrey Epstein. 
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When was this photograph taken? 
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Recently. There was an article that just came 
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out regarding Mr. Epstein and his connection, or his 
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personal relationship with Prince Andrew, and that was a 
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picture that was in that article. 
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Who is in the top right-hand corner? 
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That's 
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Again, this is a relatively recent photograph? 
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Yes, that's his personal assistant. 
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And the bottom left-hand corner? 
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assistants, that's 
is one of Mr. Epstein's personal 
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Has Miss 
since gotten married? 
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Yes, her name now is 
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And the bottom right-hand corner? 
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That is 
She is, again, a 
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personal assistant to Mr. Epstein. There has been some 
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talk that she is also romantically -- or I should say 
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sexually involved with Mr. Epstein. 
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How old are the defendants? 
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Jeffrey is in his mid-fifties, and the three 
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girls are in their early twenties. 
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Do you have a copy of the draft indictment in 
front of you? 
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Yes, I do. 
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You mentioned when we were looking at the 
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photographs that the three females work as personal 
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assistants for Mr. Epstein, is that correct? 
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Yes. 
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So he is their employer? 
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Are you familiar with the property located at 
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358 El Brillo Way in Palm Beach? 
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activities of one of Mr. Epstein's airplanes, which is his 
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Boeing 727. Its tail number is N908JE. 
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the sole director. Is he also the sole shareholder? 
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Yes, he is. 
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Are you familiar with Hyperion Air, Inc.? 
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Yes. Hyperion Air, Inc. is also a business 
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That's Mr. Epstein residence. 
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And he owns that residence? 
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Yes, he does. 
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Are you familiar with Defendant J.E.G.E., Inc.? 
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Yes. J.E.G.E., Inc. is owned by Jeffrey 
Epstein. He is the president, the owner, the sole 
director. It's a business that is solely used for the 
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And you mentioned that he is the president and 
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owned by Mr. Epstein. He is also the president, the 
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director and the sole shareholder of that company as well. 
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That company solely does business with his other aircraft, 
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which is a Gulf Stream G-1159B. It bears a tail number 
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Is that a smaller aircraft than the Boeing? 
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Yes. 
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Just to briefly remind the grand jury about 
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where the evidence has been collected in this case, was 
the start of your investigation information that you 
received from the Palm Beach Police Department? 
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Yes, it was. 
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And that included evidence seized during a 
search of Mr. Epstein's home at El Brillo Way? 
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Yes. 
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Also controlled calls that the Palm Beach Police 
Department placed? 
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Yes. 
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And interviews of girls and other people by the 
Palm Beach Police Department? 
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Yes, as well as trash pulls that the Palm Beach 
Police Department conducted on Mr. Epstein's residence. 
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Then when the FBI became involved, the FBI did 
additional interviews of girls and of recruiters? 
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Yes. 
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They obtained phone records? 
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Yes, we have. 
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And records of payments? 
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Yes. 
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Did this grand jury also subpoena travel 
records? 
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Yes. 
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Including the flight manifests of the planes 
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