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Q 
Did you ever see the girl who actually 
did the massages get paid? 
A 
No, I never saw them get paid. He never 
paid us in front of each other. 
Q 
Okay. Did the girls ever tell you that 
they did get paid or how much they got paid? 
A 
Most of the time. 
Q 
Okay. And how much money would each 
girl get paid? 
A 
It ranges. 
Q 
From? 
A 
It ranges from 200 to some got paid 300. 
Like I said, the more you do, the more you make. 
There were a couple of girls that got paid 300, 
400, and then there were a couple of girls that 
got paid 200 maybe even 100. 
Q 
Now you mentioned that usually 
would take the girl upstairs? 
A 
That's correct. 
Q 
Were there ever instances where you took 
the girl upstairs? 
A 
Very rarely. 
I think it happened once 
or twice where 
was doing something or she 
would need me to go upstairs and set up. 
I would 
just go upstairs. 
I would show her where the 
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massage table was. 
I would set it up for them. 
I would 
show them where the towels were, put the towels on 
the massage table and then I would tell them 
Jeffrey would be in, in a minute and then I would 
walk back downstairs and wait in the kitchen. 
Q 
Okay. And when you were in these other 
instances where you led the girl upstairs, besides 
the massage table, did you ever see any other 
implements that were used during the massage? 
A 
I think there were maybe a few occasions 
where I would walk upstairs to show the girl or 
maybe it was even when I first massaged him, there 
was like a white massager on the table or a white 
vibrator. 
Q 
And can you describe that to the grand 
jury? 
A 
What it looked like? 
Q 
What it looked like, yes. 
A 
It was like a cylinder. 
It was really 
big. The head was bigger. 
It was white. 
I think 
the top of it was maybe like pink. 
It was big, 
that's all I remember. 
Q 
Okay. And did any of the girls ever 
tell you that that was used on them? 
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A 
Yes. 
Q 
Okay. 
Now I'm going to run through the 
names of some girls that you brought just to 
confirm with the grand jury that you brought them. 
A 
Okay. 
Q 
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That's correct. 
Q 
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Correct. 
Q 
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Correct. 
Q 
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Yes. 
Q 
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Yes. 
Q 
7 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
And then there is another girl, 
A 
never, ever, ever worked for 
Jeffrey. 
She accompanied me to his house I think 
once or twice and waited in the kitchen with me, 
but she never worked for him. 
Q 
Okay. But she was somebody that you 
brought along with you? 
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A 
That is correct. 
Q 
On visits? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
Okay. In addition to those girls 
that 
who I just named, you mentioned a woman, 
who is 23? 
A 
Uh-huh. 
Q 
Were there any other girls that you 
recall bringing to Jeffrey Epstein's house? 
A 
I cannot recall bringing anybody else. 
Q 
Okay. 
Now one of those girls that we 
mentioned was 
, correct? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
And you told the police that Jeffrey 
the best? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
How old was 
A 
She was around the same age as me, maybe 
a grade lower than me. 
Q 
Okay. So she was under age? 
A 
Yes, correct. 
Q 
And all of those girls who names I read 
were under age when you brought them there? 
A 
Except for 
Q 
Okay. What did 
look like? 
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A 
was Hispanic. She kind of looks 
Korean, but she's Hispanic, Hawaiian, maybe. She 
had a dark complexion. She had hair down to the 
middle of her back, long, highlights. 
Q 
Was she thin or heavy? 
A 
No. She was maybe -- she had a boxy 
type figure, maybe a little lighter than me. 
Q 
And how tall do you think she was? 
A 
About 5'S, 5'6. 
Q 
Okay. And you knew that Jeffrey liked 
because he would specifically request her? 
A 
There was a few occasions that he would 
specifically ask for her, correct. 
Q 
Okay. 
And you mentioned that some of 
the girls told you about the massager being used, 
correct? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
Did some of girls tell you what happened 
inside of that bedroom? 
A 
A few of them did. 
Q 
Let's talk first about 
A 
Okay. 
Q 
Did she tell you what happened? 
A 
All that she really told me was that 
they got into a money fight. He had tried 
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fondling her. She wasn't having it, and then she 
only got paid $100 and she felt like she was being 
ripped off. 
Q 
Okay. What about 
, did 
she tell you about what happened? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
What did she explain to you? 
A 
, on the way home, had told me she 
got paid $300, and basically let him insert 
fingers in her and use the massager on her. 
Q 
Okay. And she told you those things? 
A 
She told me those things. 
Q 
That he had digitally penetrated her and 
had used the massager? 
A 
That's correct. 
Q 
Okay. And that was -- when did she tell 
you that? 
A 
Right when we got outside into the 
truck. 
Q 
As you were driving away? 
A 
That's correct. 
Q 
Do you remember which other girls told 
you about the massager being used? 
A 
I can't recall. 
I know there was 
another one that said something about the 
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massager, but I wasn't really paying attention. 
Q 
Now when you first went and gave Mr. 
Epstein the massage, did he ask for your telephone 
number after you were finished? 
A 
No, 
did. 
Q 
did. 
And she took down your 
telephone number? 
A 
She took down my name and my telephone 
number. 
Q 
After that, how was all contact made 
with you? 
A 
Q 
Directly to you? 
A 
Directly toward me. 
Q 
Okay. So were there any more instances 
where she went either through 
or 
to 
reach you? 
A 
Absolutely not. 
Q 
Okay. 
Now when you brought girls over 
was it the same thing where they would ask for the 
girl's name and number? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
And when that happened, would they 
continue to go through you to set up appointments? 
A 
Most of time they went through me. 
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Actually 99.9 percent of the time they went 
through me. 
On a few occasions, the girls that 
they liked the best, for instance, 
, after 
a while me and 
stopped contact with each 
other and Jeffrey just went strictly through her. 
Q 
Okay. 
And when an appointment was made 
directly with the girl, you wouldn't necessarily 
know about it? 
A 
I would not necessarily know about it. 
Q 
And when the appointment was made 
directly with the girl then you wouldn't get paid, 
correct? 
A 
Correct. 
Did you hear or do you know whether some 
girls that you brought, brought more girls? 
A 
Yeah, I'm sure of it. 
Okay. When did you first meet 
Was it that day that you went to give the 
massage? 
A 
That's correct. 
Q 
And how did you first meet her? 
A 
Just walking in the kitchen and waiting 
for somebody whether it be Epstein or 
came and introduced herself as 
and I 
learned that she was Epstein's assistant. 
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Q 
And you said that she was the one who 
took you upstairs on the first day? 
A 
That's correct. 
Q 
And we were talking earlier about how 
appointments would be made for you to bring 
additional girls, correct? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
How far in advance would 
call you 
to make appointments? 
A 
It depends. Sometimes she would call me 
a few days in advance. Jeffrey is going to be in 
town tomorrow or this weekend, have a couple of 
girls lined up or have a girl lined up. So it 
would be anywhere between a couple of days to a 
weekend. 
Q 
Okay. Did you ever talk with 
or 
did 
ever tell you anything about what 
Jeffrey liked to do with the girls? 
A 
Absolutely not. 
We never discussed 
that. 
Q 
Did you ever talk with her about a rumor 
that you had heard that a girl had intercourse 
with Jeffrey? 
A 
One day I was talking on the phone with 
and I addressed her with it, asking her 
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about a rumor I heard of a girl sleeping with 
Jeffrey, having intercourse, and making $1 ,000, 
and she denied it and said that he doesn't do that 
kind of thing, he just plays with them. 
Q 
Okay. So she said that he didn't have 
intercourse, he just liked to play with the girls? 
A 
That's correct. 
Q 
And when you spoke with the police, you 
said that Jeffrey liked to masturbate in front of 
the girls but not have sex? 
A 
That's correct. 
Q 
What led you to believe that? 
A 
He just did it. 
I just learned that 
Epstein just started masturbating in front of 
everybody. 
It was like the new thing for him, and 
it just started happening and more and more girls 
were making comments. 
Q 
So did 
know that he was 
masturbating in front of the girls? 
A 
Not that I know of. 
I didn't say 
anything and I don't think she had an idea. 
I 
think she knew there was playing going on. 
I 
don't think she knew of what sort. 
Q 
Okay. So she knew that something sexual 
was going on, but not necessarily what that 
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entailed? 
A 
Correct. 
Q 
Okay. Did Jeffrey or 
or anyone 
else who worked for Mr. Epstein ever ask you for 
proof of someone's age? 
A 
Never. 
Q 
Did they ever specifically instruct you 
that you shouldn't bring girls who were under age 
to the house? 
A 
Never. 
Q 
And when you spoke with the police 
department you said that at some point Jeffrey 
said the younger the better? 
A 
That's correct. 
Q 
And even after that he never said to you 
but make sure that they are over 18? 
A 
We never discussed age. He never made a 
comment about age except for 
that one time 
about her being too old. 
He never told me to go 
find under aged girls, but at the same time never 
said make sure they are over 18. 
It was never 
discussed. 
Q 
Okay. All right. 
I'm going to ask you to 
step outside for a minute and I will find out 
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if the grand jury has questions. Thank you 
very much. 
(Witness exits the Grand Jury Room.) 
* 
* 
* 
(Witness enters the Grand Jury Room.) 
BY 
Q 
Ms. 
I have to remind you that 
you are still under oath. There were just two 
follow-up questions. The first one is something 
that I think you spoke about earlier, but who 
first asked you to find other girls? 
A 
Who first asked me to first other girls? 
Q 
Yes. 
A 
That would be Epstein. 
Q 
Okay. So Jeffrey asked you himself, 
Jeffrey Epstein himself asked you? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
Okay. And then the other question was: 
Are you currently in contact with anyone who works 
for Mr. Epstein or himself? 
A 
I don't talk to any of the females that 
I once brought over there. 
I haven't been in 
contact with Epstein for years. 
He tried 
contacting me a few times. 
I haven't contacted him back. 
I refuse 
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to talk to him. 
I refuse to talk to any of the 
girls that were involved. However, I did live 
with one of the girls in Orlando for a couple 
months to a year. 
I haven't spoken to her in over 
a year either. 
Q 
Okay. So after -- and just so the grand 
jury has a sense here, we are talking about the 
2004 to 2005 period is when you were bringing 
girls over? 
A 
That's correct. 
Q 
So since then 
A 
I don't -- to be honest with you, I 
think it was more 2003, 
Q 
Okay. 
A 
My junior senior year. 
Q 
Okay. But anyhow it was a couple of 
years ago? 
A 
Several years ago. 
Q 
Okay. 
Is there any follow up 
on either of those points? Yes, ma'am. 
A GRAND JUROR: 
Was it Jeffrey Epstein 
himself trying to contact you or 
THE WITNESS: 
I don't know if it was him 
directly. 
I know that his number showed up 
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on my house phone. 
I'm assuming because 
was there, I'm assuming that she is the 
one that has been trying to contact me in the 
past years. 
Epstein never talked directly to 
me on the phone. 
Any other follow up? 
Okay. 
Thank you, ma'am. 
Thank you for 
coming. 
(Witness was excused.) 
CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER 
I, Paula E. Angelocci, Certified Court 
Reporter and Notary Public, do certify that the 
transcript is a true and correct transcription of 
my stenotype notes of the testimony of 
taken before the Federal Grand Jury, 
West Palm Beach, Florida. 
PAULA E. ANGEIjpCCI, CSR 
Certified Court Reporter 
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