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LAW OFFICES Of 
GEBALD B. DEPODURT, P.C. 
A PROFESSIONAL CORPORATION 
148 EAST 78P4 STREET 
NEW YORK, NEW YORK 10021 
GERALD B. LEFCOURT 
SHERYL E. REICH 
RENATO C. STABILE 
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VIA FEDERAL EXPRESS 
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Assistant United States Attorney 
Office of the United States Attorney 
Southern District of Florida 
500 South Australian Avenue, Suite 400 
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 
Dear 
TELEPHONE 
(212) 737-0400 
FACSIMILE 
February 23, 2007 
Re: Jeffrey Epstein 
Thank you once again for meeting with us regarding our client, Jeffrey Epstein. 
As you know, in advance of last Tuesday's meeting we provided you with the recorded 
interviews of various witnesses taken in the state's investigation. At the meeting, we disclosed 
that, as part of our own preparation, we made working transcripts of these recordings. You have 
asked for copies of the transcripts and we have discussed various ways that that might be 
accomplished without compromising Mr. Epstein's position and rights. 
To assist in your bringing this investigation to a close, enclosed are highlighted excerpts 
of the transcripts. The excerpts support our argument that no federal prosecution should be 
brought in this matter. Please note that these transcripts are drafts and subject to further review 
and revision. They are provided as a courtesy and in furtherance of our discussions and therefore 
are not usable by you for any purposes. By accepting these transcripts you agree never to 
contend that any revisions made thereto compare unfavorably to the drafts provided; nor will you 
use the drafts otherwise to the detriment of Mr. Epstein. 
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GERALD B. Japatounir, P.C. 
Assistant United States Attorney 
Office of the United States Attorney 
Southern District of Florida 
February 23, 2007 
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The excerpts fall generally into the following five subject areas and are therefore. 
arranged in the numbered tabs. Note, the witnesses were not all asked the same questions and 
therefore, not every witness touched on every subject area we here consider relevant': 
Tab 1: Mr. Epstein did not ask the women to touch, nor did the women in fact touch, his 
genitals; 
Tab 2: Mr. Epstein did not ask the women to engage, nor did they in fact engage, in 
sexual intercourse with him; 
Tab 3: Not only did Mt Epstein not search out women under the age of 18, but the vast 
majority of the women from whom he received massages during the period were 18 or older. To 
the extent the witnesses were asked, they admitted being told that Mr Epstein would not allow 
them into his house if they were not 18 and that if they were not 18, they were told (by friends, 
not by Mr. Epstein or anyone employed by Mr. Epstein) to lie about their age. Again, to the 
extent they were asked in the interviews, they admitted that, if the subject of age did come up in 
conversation with Mr. Epstein, those under 18 falsely claimed to him that they were 18; 
Tab 4: Mr. Epstein did not coerce, threaten or otherwise pressure the women in an effort 
to force them to do anything; to the extent they were asked, they admitted they understood they 
could decline to accede to any of Mr. Epstein's requests; and, 
Tab 5: Prior to going to Mr. Epstein's home, virtually all of the women were apprised of 
what they would be asked to do or, if they claimed they were not, they had no objection tgavhat 
occurred, since they either returned to give further massages or they brought others to do
 or 
both. 
Of course, irrespective of what any particular witness said at her interview on any particular point, in 
many instances fanciful claims are contradicted by the witness herself elsewhere in her statement, by 
documentary evidence, and/or by other witnesses. Moreover, the witnesses suffer from significant 
credibility problems based on universally accepted tests for credibility: bias, motive, prior bad acts, etc., 
some of which we have already previewed in the February 1, 2007, letter. 
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LAW OFFICES OF 
GERALD B. LEFa3URT, P.O. 
Assistant United States Attorney 
Office of the United States Attorney 
Southern District of Florida 
February 23, 2007 
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Finall 
ursuant to our re uest we have included copies of the full working transcripts 
of the 
an 
recordings. If you have any questions regarding any of 
the materials we have provided please feel free to contact us. 
Very truly yours, 
cc: 
Lilly Ann Sanchez, Esq. 
Gerald B. 
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6 with him. I can't speak for her. But he liked her the 
7 most. I don't know why he liked her the root but it was 
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working for him. And she wouldn't just bring 
9 girls. She would work for him. 
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HOW much money do you think she made? 
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I don't know. She never really -- the first time 
12 1 brought her she made 200, After that I think she started 
13 making like 300. It's not accurate, Like I can't --
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The more you do the more you get paid. 
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Pretty much. 
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I know you said that. But --
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Richt. I think she made 300 after that. I think 
18 WIC started making like 300 
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Does he make the girls touch him down there? 
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to that part of the massage? 
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It wasn't with me. He never asked me:to touch him 
23 or Lonele him, He sever asked me, I don't know if he's 
24 Mier asked the other girls. It wee never really brought up. 
25 It was always him touching them, 
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I didn't have a bra cos, 
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tor didn't have a bra on. And your buttocks? 
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Was that over your panties or under your panties? 
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Like : have a thong on 80. 
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You had thongn. Okay 
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And all this while he was masturbating? 
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Oh-huh. 
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pie he try to touch you in any way? 
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No. 
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Did he introduce any toys or massagers slash 
8 vibrators? 
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No, Huh-huh, 
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Did he aik:yoU to touch him? 
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Just to give him a massage, 
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I mean 
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Oh, no. Huh-huh. 
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No? 
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I would have said no anyways 
That's gross. 
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Okay. Did he touch himself? 
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Yeah 
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Yeah. 
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Okay. Do you know if he got to the point where he 
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Okay, That's fine. 
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He would masturbate. 
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Okay. How would you know that the massage was 
17 over? 
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He would come. 
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He climaxed? 
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Yeah. 
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22 everything seems to be in the norm, II that's why I'm saying 
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Cid you ever see him nude? Naked? 
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I wasn't paying attention. Ne got in the shower 
7 in front of WA but X wasn't paying attention. 
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Co you can see -- the shower you could see from 
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There was the shower and then he has like a bath 
11 If you come up into hie bedroom, I don't really remember. 
12 but if you come into his room theroln a shower. As you come 
13 into the bathroom part there's a shower right here. And 
14 then a massage table right here 
And then there was a couch 
is going around right hers. And the shower (inaudible) ha took 
16 a shower and helm like feel comfortable and I was like okay, 
17 I don't remember if he asked me to take off my clothes, my 
18 top and my bottoms, but I think he did. I'm not sure. I 
19 have bad memory 
It was a long time ago. 
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21 been naked in front of yogi you just made it a choice not to 
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I.D. #8059, reference case number 05.368. The time now, by my watch, Is 
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Cathy Back, Family Therapist. 
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Could you spell your name please? 
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K-A-T-H-Y B-A-C-K. 
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n. And you're her family therapist? Am I correct? 
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Yes. 
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Okay. Swearing to God, that's good enough for me. 
I swear to God. 
Okay. Is there anything else you'd like to talk to me about? 
No, because that's about....nothing else about the whole thing. 
• that's it. You did not have any kind of sex with him. 
Heck not! I will swear on my mother's grave... 
You know what having sex with somebody means? 
Yes, I know what having sex with somebody means. 
Okay. You, at no time. touched his penis? 
At no time did I touch his penis. 
At any time, did he touch you..... 
At no time... 
Besides putting his hands... 
Besides that, no times did he touch me. 
And just. I can be sure, you saw him whacking off once. 
Yes, I saw him. 
Okay. And as far as you think 
think, I know, web, I couldn't say I know, but it's the same noises were being 
made when he was (inaudible). 
And that's it. I thank you very much This will conclude the interview. The time 
now by my watch Is approximately 3:05. 
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No, T was 1h the kitchen. 
7 
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You were in the kitchen 
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Yeah, 
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the first time you didn't do anything but just sit 
11 in the kitchen? 
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Yeah. 
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Whc did you sit in the kitchen with? 
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He had a coos that was there and he had -- there 
15 was -ike two other girls there that :Ave with him. 
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1'7 when yo.: were massaging Mn? 
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Well, he had like a towel around his -- his ipper 
19 was (inaudible) but he had like a towel around him, 
20 
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Okay. Did he over remove that towel? 
21 
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No. 
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When you were massaging him he never removed the 
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You wouldn't do that? 
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No. KO. 
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No. 
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He kept like staring at me and like, I don't knew, 
8 I just felt uncomfortable and I _eft. But I heard other 
stories that like --
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I'm concerned with you. I know about 
11 other stories and I've interviewed other people have :old me 
12 different things. That's why I'm trying to find oat what 
13 happened to you. Okay? 
14 
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Uh-huh. 
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You're the victim in this 
that's why I'm trying 
16 tc find out whaL happens Lo you 
17 
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Ch-huh. 
18 
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Okay? Who took you upstairs to the room? 
19 
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This girl 
that lives with him. 
20 
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Okay. II 
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Yea. 
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