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21 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 was: I'm sorry, the question you asked me How did they meet? They met by a friend of Mr. Epstein's. Jane Doe Number One was working at Mar-a-Lago and a friend of Mr. Epstein's, Ghislaine Maxwell. Would you like the spelling? THE REPORTER: Yes, please. THE WITNESS: G-H-I-S-L-A-I-N-I, Maxwell, who was a friend of Mr. Epstein, met Jane Doe Number One at Mar-a-Lago and Jane Doe Number One soon after began working and providing massages for Mr. Epstein. BY Q What sexual activity was Jane Doe Number One involved in with Jeffrey Epstein? A Through the statements provided by Jane Doe Number Two, when Jane Doe Number Two was 14 years of age, she saw Jane Doe Number One naked and engaged in what she believed to be sexual intercourse with Mr. Epstein. Q Now did Jane Doe Number One recruit any one else to go to Jeffrey Epstein's home? A At this time, the only Jane Doe that we are aware of is Jane Doe Number Two or the only individual we are aware of is Jane Doe Number Two. OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC (954) 467-8204 EFTA00179321
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22 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q Okay. So let's talk about Jane Doe Number Two. Who is she? A Jane Doe Number Two is a white feinale named Carolyn. She was born in January of 1987. She lived in Palm Beach County, Florida, at the time she had contact with Mr. Epstein. Q And how -- has she been interviewed? A Yes. Q During -- how old was she during the time frame that Jane Doe Number Two was involved with Mr. Epstein? A She was 14 at the time that she first met Mr. Epstein. Q And she was involved with him until she was 17? A We have in or about the beginning of 2001, which would make her 14 up until 2004. Q And how did she come to meet Mr. Epstein? A Jane Doe Number One brought Jane Doe Number Two to Mr. Epstein's residence for the first time. Mr. Epstein was introduced to Jane Doe Number Two by Jane Doe Number One. There was a massage that took place with the two of them and then Jane Doe Number One OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC (954) 467-8204 EFTA00179322
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23 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 engaged in sexual activity that I mentioned earlier where Jane Doe Number Two informed us that she sat on the couch and observed what she believed the two of them to engage in sexual intercourse. Q And at the time, Jane Doe Number One was 17 and Jane Doe Number Two was 14? A Yes. Q All right. A And I'm not sure if that was actually the first or second visit that she went. So it was either the first visit or the second that the sexual activity that I described took place. They may have gone there the first time and just performed a massage for Mr. Epstein, but on the second occasion the sexual activity that I described took place. Jane Doe Number Two stated that, you know, the three years that we discussed from 2001 to 2004, she provided Mr. Epstein with over, in that three-year period, over 100 massages and all but three of the massages were sexually in nature. Q How much was she paid for performing sexual massages for Epstein? A She was paid between 200 and $400. OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC (954) 467-8204 EFTA00179323
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24 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Originally, she was paid $300 when she starting performing massages for Mr. Epstein. On at least two occasions, Mr. Epstein offered her $100 more if she would take off her underwear, which she did, and on those two occasions she was paid $400. When Jane Doe Number Two expressed to Mr. Epstein that she did not want him touching her vagina, Jane Doe Number Two informed us that he dropped the amount to $200. She would also receive $100 for bringing any girls. Q All right. Now you said that on all but three occasions with Jane Doe Number Two, the massages were sexual. Did Jeffrey Epstein masturbate during those massages? A Yes, he did. Q Did he instruct Jane Doe Number Two to do anything while he was masturbating? A Yes. He asked her to rub and pinch h nipples. Q And these started when she was still 14? A Yes. Q What was the involvement of Sarah Kellen with Jane Doe Number Two? OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC (954) 467-8204 EFTA00179324
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25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A Sarah would schedule Jane Doe Number Two and sometimes Sarah would be out of town and be in New York and scheduled her to come and work, but Sarah Kellen's primary role was to schedule or I guess she was the one that would schedule Jane Doe Number Two to come and perform the massages. Q Did Sarah Kellen ever actually lead Jane Doe Number Two upstairs up to the bedroom? A Yes. After Jane Doe Number One took Jane Doe Number Two, Jane Doe Number Two started going by herself. The first time that Jane Doe Number Two arrived at Mr. Epstein's by herself, Sarah Kellen took Jane Doe Number Two from the kitchen and took her upstairs for the massage that was to be performed for Mr. Epstein. Q Now you mentioned the sexual activity that Jane Doe Number two observed between Jane Doe Number One and Mr. Epstein. Was there ever any other females involved in the sexual activity? A Yes. Mr. Epstein introduced an unidentified female who performed oral sex on Jane Doe Number One -- I'm sorry, on Jane Doe Number Two while Mr. Epstein had sexual intercourse with the unidentified female. Q Now you mentioned that at some point, OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC (954) 467-8204 EFTA00179325
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26 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Mr. Epstein asked Jane Doe Number Two to start bringing girls; is that correct? A Yes. Q And did he describe what exactly he wants, the type of person that he wanted her to bring? Did she report that he asked her if she had any younger friends that would be interested in performing massages? A Yes. He asked her -- can I just have a moment? Q Of course, yes. A I'm sorry. Jane Doe Number Two, Mr. Epstein asked her if she had any friends that would be interested in performing these massages and then he also inquired if she had any younger friends that would -- that she could bring to him and then he offered to pay her $100 for each person that she brought. Q In addition to the sexual activity with Mr. Epstein, did Sarah Kellen ever involve Jane Doe Number Two in any specific activity? A Yes. Sarah Kellen contacted Jane Doe Number Two by telephone and asked her to come to Mr. Epstein's residence that Mr. Epstein wanted Sarah to take pictures of Jane Doe Number Two. OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC (954) 467-8204 EFTA00179326
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27 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Sarah paid Jane Doe Number Two $500 to take naked photographs of Jane Doe Number Two at Mr. Epstein's residence in and around the house and pool area at the request of Mr. Epstein. Q And approximately how old or how old does Jane Doe Number Two believe she was at the time? A Jane Doe Number Two informed us that she was 16 years old when Sarah Kellen took the photographs of her naked. Q What did Jane Doe Number Two say about whether Jeffrey Epstein knew her true age? A Jane Doe Number Two was informed by Jane Doe Number One to say if asked her age that she was -- she should respond that she was 17. When they went -- and went to Mr. Epstein's residence and were upstairs performing massages, Mr. Epstein asked Jane Doe Number Two her age. She responded four --. And then he said, so you're 14? And Mr. Epstein informed Jane Doe Number Two that they would just keep that between them. Q So in other words, he knew that she was 14 when she started seeing him? A Yes. She did not remember to say 17 and OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC (954) 467-8204 EFTA00179327
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2 P, 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 just naturally came out four --. And then he finished that statement for her, so you're 14? And then stated that they would keep that between them. Q Now is the -- can you summarize -- does your testimony. .cover the evidence supporting the allegations in Overt Acts One through 18? A Yes, it does. Q And if I could ask you to refer to Count Two, which appears on Page 38. Is the evidence that you have just summarized the basis for the allegation that Jeffrey Epstein and Sarah Kellen procured Jane Doe Number Two to engage in commercial sex acts knowing that she was under 18? A Yes. Q So is there anything else that you wanted to mention with respect to either Jane Doe Numbers One or Two? A The only other thing I didn't bring up was the gifts that Mr. Epstein provided to Jane Doe Number Two and Mr. Epstein would provide her with lingerie. He gave her tickets to a concert, a local concert. He would also send her via FedEx packages to her residence, and in one of those OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC (954) 467-8204 EFTA00179328
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29 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 packages Jane Doe Number Two informed us that there was a Massage for Dummies book that she received by FedEx from Mr. Epstein. And the grand jury should know that we have received records from FedEx which corroborate Mr. Epstein's address and packages going to Jane Doe Number Two's residence. Q And those records relate to Mr. Epstein's personal Federal Express account? A Yes. A GRAND JUROR: Jane Doe Number Two, do we know how old she was when Mr. Epstein asked her to bring younger friends? Was she already in his eyes up there and he wanted them younger? THE WITNESS: When Jane Doe Number Two was 16, about midway through her 16th year, she became pregnant and at that point she did not provide Mr. Epstein with anymore massages. So I know she went away for a time period and when she came back, you know, she had a son and did not want to do massages anymore. So at that point, she may have brought her friends as well as prior to that. OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC (954) 467-8204 EFTA00179329
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30 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 BY Q Do you know exactly when she started bringing other girls? A I don't know that I want to say that it was before or after. We just know that she was asked by Mr. Epstein to bring other females and he would pay $100. The only other thing we haven't talked about is we have message pads that were recovered in the execution of the state search warrant on Mr. Epstein's residence, and I think the grand jury has seen copies of some of those message pads. We do have a message pad for Jane Doe Number Two that gives you an example of -- and I can pull that out and read that to the grand jury, if you would like? Q Sure. A This particular message pad is basically -- it's a carbon copy message that again was recovered during the execution of the state search warrant at Mr. Epstein's residence and this shows that this was dated on March 11 , 2003. It's from Carolyn with her phone number and it's marked that she telephoned and it's OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC (954) 467-8204 EFTA00179330
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31 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 marked, please call, and it was signed by one of Mr. Epstein's employees. So again the date that the contact here is March 11 , 2003. Q And Jane Doe Number Two was still under the age of 18 at that time? A Yes, she was. Q Okay. Now if we could turn to Jane Doe Number Three and who is she? A Jane Doe Number Three is a white female named Cortney. She was born October 1987 and she lived in the Palm Beach County area. Q Has she been interviewed? A Yes. Q And during what period of time did Jane Doe Number Three have contact with Jeffrey Epstein? A Beginning in or around 2003 to up 2005. Q And how old was she during that time frame? A She was 15 when she first met Mr. Epstein. Q And how did she meet him? A Jane Doe Number Two brought Jane Doe Number Three to Mr. Epstein's house. They traveled by taxi there. Jane Doe Number Two took OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC (954) 467-8204 EFTA00179331
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32 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Jane Doe Number. Three upstairs to meet Mr. Epstein. They provided Mr. Epstein a massage in their underwear. Mr. Epstein asked Jane Doe Number Two to leave and Jane Doe Number Three finished the massage. Mr. Epstein masturbated in front of Jane Doe Number Three on that first occasion, and Jane Doe Number Three, after the massage, she was paid $200 and she left the residence. Q All right. A On other occasions after that, Sarah Kellen would be the one to contact Jane Doe Number Three to come to the residence to provide massages for Mr. Epstein. Q And you have phone records showing calls from Sarah Kellen's phone to Jane Doe Number Three's phone? A Yes, I do. Q In addition to that, the masturbation during that massage, was there other sexual activity that occurred between the two of them? A Yes, there was. Mr. Epstein requested that Jane Doe Number Three rub his chest and nipples while he masturbated. He also used a OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC (954) 467-8204 EFTA00179332
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33 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 a 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 massager slash vibrator on Jane Doe Number Three's vagina. He touched Jane Doe Number Three's vagina. He also instructed Jane Doe Number Three to straddle an unidentified female and fondle the unidentified female as he used she believed it was a vibrator or a massaging device on the unidentified female's vagina. Q And on each of those occasions was she paid? A Yes, she was. Q And did she tell you about the range of of money that she would receive for each visit? A She received $200 for the time period when she would provide Mr. Epstein during the massages. Q Did Jane Doe Number Three recruit anyone to go Mr. Epstein's house? A Yes. Q And did she tell you anything about what Epstein's requests were in terms of who she should bring? A Yes. Mr. Epstein asked her to bring other females. Jane Doe Number Three stated that Mr. Epstein's preferences were short little white OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC (954) 467-8204 EFTA00179333
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34 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 girls. Jane Doe Number Three brought girls ages 15 to 25 years of age. Q Were there girls whom Jane Doe Number Three brought to Mr. Epstein's home whom he did not like? A Yes. Mr. Epstein informed Jane Doe Number Three that he didn't want girls with tattoos, older girls, or black girls. He also expressed frustration with Jane Doe Number Three when she didn't have new females for him. Q And how would he express that frustration? A He hung up on her. He telephoned her. He also would telephone her. Sarah Kellen and Mr. Epstein would call Jane Doe Number Three and on this particular occasion when she didn't have a female for him, he hung up. Q Now if we could go back to the girls whom Mr. Epstein didn't like. You said older girls, girls with tattoos, and black girls. When Jane Doe Number Three brought those girls to his home, did he allow them to massage him? A No. Q So those girls were just sent away? OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC (954) 467-8204 EFTA00179334
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35 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23. 24 25 A They were, but they were paid for coming. Q Now if I could just refer you to Overt Acts 29 and 31 , which are on Page 12. There is a reference to two written telephone messages and could you just remind the grand jury of where that information comes from? A I actually have copies. Overt Acts 29 and 31 are message pads or carbon copy messages that were found at Mr. Epstein's residence when the Town of Palm Beach Police Department executed a state search warrant on his residence. The first one, Overt Act 29, is a message dated November 8, 2004. It was taken at 1 :15 p.m. The message is for Mr. Epstein from Cortney with her cell phone number and in quotations it says, I have a female for him. At the bottom is an employee of Mr. Epstein, the house manager, Alfredo Rodriguez. Overt Act 31 is a message for Mr. Epstein dated January 29, 2005. It looks like the time was 4:10 p.m. It is from*Cortney with her phone number on it and in quotations, I have a female for him. Again, initialed by Mr. Epstein's house manager, Alfredo Rodriguez. OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC (954) 467-8204 EFTA00179335
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36 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q Now does your testimony today summarize the evidence supporting the allegations in Overt Acts 19 through 31? A Yes. Q And if I could just refer you to Count 12, which appears on Pages 40 and 41 of the proposed indictment. Is this the evidence that you just summarized the basis for the allegations that Jeffrey Epstein and Sarah Kellen used a facility of interstate commerce to persuade, induce, and entice Jane Doe Number Three to engage in prostitution and in sexual activity for which a person can be charged with a criminal offense? A Yes. Q Was Jane Doe Number Three under the age of 16 during part of her interactions with Mr. Epstein? A Yes, she was. Q And under Florida law, could Mr. Epstein have been charged with lewd and lascivious molestation, lewd and lascivious conduct, and lewd and lascivious exhibition based upon his touching of Jane Doe Number Three's breasts, genitals, his solicitation of Jane Doe Number Three in a lewd and lascivious act and his masturbation and OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC (954) 467-8204 EFTA00179336
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37 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 exposure of his genitals to her? A Yes. Q All right. Let's turn to Jane Does Four, Five, and Six, please, and could you tell the grand jury who Four, Five and Six are? A Jane Doe Four, Number Four is a white female named Danielle. She was born in August 1986. She attended both Wellington High School and Palm Beach Central High School in Palm Beach County. Jane Doe Number Five is a white female named Angelique. She was born in October of 1986. She attended Wellington High School in Palm Beach County, Florida. Jane Doe Number Six is a white female named Jennifer. She was born in June of 1987 and she' attended Palm Beach Central High School in Palm Beach County, Florida. Q Have the three Jane Does Four, Five, and Six been interviewed? A Yes. Q And during what period of time did they have contact with Jeffrey Epstein? A In or around the first half of 2004 possibly going into the summer months is when we OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC (954) 467-8204 EFTA00179337
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38 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 first have them having contact, I believe, they have contact with Mr. Epstein. Q And how old were they during that time frame in early 2004? A Both Jane Doe Numbers Four and Five would have been 17 at that time, and Jane Doe Number Six would have been 16. Q What sexually activity did Jane Does Four and Five engage in with Jeffrey Epstein? A Jane Doe Numbers Four and Five took a taxi to Mr. Epstein's house and went upstairs and provided Mr. Epstein a massage. Jane Doe Numbers Four and Five, the sexual contact that took place was or conduct was that Mr. Epstein masturbated in the presence of both Jane Doe Number Four and Jane Doe Number Five. He also instructed Jane Doe Number Four to play with his nipples and rub his chest. Both Jane Doe Numbers Four and Five were paid $200 for this. On a later massage, Jane Doe Number Four had additional sexual activity with Mr. Epstein and Mr. Epstein had instructed or requested Jane Doe Number Four to take off her clothing and wear her underwear, which she complied. During that massage, Jane Doe Number OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC (954) 467-8204 EFTA00179338
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39 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Four's underwear was pulled aside by Mr. Epstein and he stroked her vagina. Q And she was paid following that massage as well? A Yes, she was. Q Who led Jane Does Four and Five up to the bedroom during that first massage? A Jane Does Four and Five went upstairs. They were taken upstairs by Sarah Kellen. Q And what evidence is there regarding Jeffrey Epstein's knowledge of Jane Doe Number Four's true age? A Jane Doe Number Four told Mr. Epstein how old she was. Q In respond to his question about her age? A Yes. I'm sorry. Mr. Epstein asked her age and she informed Mr. Epstein of her true age at the time. Q Now during -- you mentioned that the first massage that the two of them were together, Jane Does Four and Five, and did Mr. Epstein masturbate in front of them at that time? A Yes, he did, and I should say that Mr. Epstein requested them to remove their clothing OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC (954) 467-8204 EFTA00179339
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40 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 during that massage as well. Q Okay. And did he ever instruct Jane Doe Number Four to play with his nipples? A Yes. Q You said that Jane Doe Number Four returned after that first massage, correct? A Yes. Q How was she contacted to set up those later massages? A Jane Doe Number Four was contacted by Sarah Kellen. Q Via telephone? A Via telephone, yes. Q Did Jane Doe Number Four bring anyone else to Jeffrey Epstein's home? A Jane Doe Number Four brought Jane Doe Number Six. Jane Doe Number Four and Jane Doe Number Six performed the massage together and then Jane Doe Number Four was asked to leave. At that point, the sexual activity that was performed on Jane Doe Number Six by Mr. Epstein was the digital penetration of Jane Doe Number Six's vagina as well as the use of a massager slash vibrator on Jane Doe Number Six's vagina. He did masturbate. OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC (954) 467-8204 EFTA00179340