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12/4/2019 
Present for the interview was AUSA 
AUSA- 
and Special Agent 
along with 
attorney 
wanted to provide clarification from her last interview in regards to when she first learned about 
the investigation into EPSTEIN, saying that her feelings were a progression. 
received a payment from EPSTEIN in late 2018. 
and 
were left with a gutted apartment and they 
could not get a bank loan. When 
stopped working for EPSTEIN, they still talked regularly and 
visit together when he was in town. 
spoke to EPSTEIN monthly. 
spoke to EPSTEIN about 
their situation. 
asked 
to borrow money from EPSTEIN. They were waiting for stocks to 
go public but it kept getting delayed. At the end of November 2018, 
met EPSTEIN at his New 
York house and told him about their financials, saying that she only had $100,000 in her bank account. 
While 
was meeting with EPSTEIN, he picked up the phone and called his accountant RICHARD 
KAHN to wire her $250,000. This meeting with EPSTEIN happened because LESLEY GROFF told her to 
come and meet him if she was in New York. EPSTEIN told 
not to tell anyone about giving her the 
money but did not tell her why she should not tell anyone. 
assumed it was because EPSTEIN did 
not want 
to feel bad about it. 
and 
kept separate finances. EPSTEIN also gave 
$100,000 when 
married 
did not think she received other money from 
EPSTEIN. 
told 
and 
about received money from EPSTEIN. 
called 
and told her that he gave her $100,000; 
then told 
that EPSTEIN gave her 
money as well. 
told 
that EPSTEIN called her and asked her if she could use or 
needed money. 
was struggling with her aviator company. 
thought that EPSTEIN was 
just feeling generous with them. 
At this time, 
etc. [Agent note: 
financials further.] 
had $100,000 in cash and approximately $200,000 to $300,000 in stocks of Apple, 
lawyer asked to review documents before discussing questions regarding 
Since approximately 2016, 
has had financial problems. 
would see EPSTEIN once every 
couple/few months depending on where they both were at the time. 
told EPSTEIN that "it was 
rough". 
EPSTEIN came to Miami to meet with an architect and to help 
thought this was in early 
2018 — months before their conversation in November. 
had asked EPSTEIN to come to her 
apartment in Miami. 
gave EPSTEIN a rundown of the renovations, burn rate, and cash. 
EPSTEIN told them he did not see how they could keep the apartment, saying it did not all add up. 
EPSTEIN told her that she cannot put her head in the sand. EPSTEIN tried to get 
to come back 
and work for him as a property manager; he would pay her $200,000. 
did not want to go back 
and work for EPSTEIN. When 
would have conversations with EPSTEIN, they would talk about her 
working for him again. 
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EPSTEIN told 
that she would always be safe and he would always take care of her. EPSTEIN sent 
an email once saying "100% safe". 
and EPSTEIN discussed IPO delays and shares; it was supposed to be in January but did not 
happy to July. 
stocks were locked up for a while. 
brought up the financial discussion 
with EPSTEIN. 
did not know what EPSTEIN wanted to talk to her about when GROFF called. 
did not ask EPSTEIN for money. EPSTEIN had another meeting after he met with 
thanked EPSTEIN and sent an email after thanking him. 
lent the money to 
did not report the money on taxes; 
was not sure how reporting the taxes worked. 
understanding was that EPSTEIN would have had to pay the taxes on the money he gave her. 
In April 2018, 
was aware of a reporter looking into EPSTEIN. The day the article in the Miami 
Herald came out she had been aware that someone was looking into EPSTEIN. The article came out 
before 
met with EPSTEIN in November. 
thought that she and EPSTEIN may have 
acknowledged it but did not talk about it in depth. 
remembered "skimming" through the article. 
did not remember what she and EPSTEIN said about the article; it was not a topic of 
conversation. 
did not think they talked about it afterwards either. 
and 
talked about it, but did not talk specifically about the article. 
and 
wanted to figure 
out the best way to tell their own stories. 
had thought about writing a book and told EPSTEIN in 
which he told her it was a good idea. 
did not associate the $250,000 she received from EPSTEIN 
to the article from the Miami Herald because EPSTEIN was always so generous to people. 
was stressed about her finances and felt that EPSTEIN was trying to be helpful. 
did not 
know that she viewed it any different currently. 
had told EPSTEIN that a journalist reached out. 
did not recall EPSTEIN saying anything about it. EPSTEIN did not tell 
not to talk to 
anyone. 
The first time 
remembered being on the island after her trial period, EPSTEIN asked her to make 
him a bath and told her to get in with him. 
was sitting across from EPSTEIN when he told her 
that she had the job but she just had to keep it. EPSTEIN took 
to the bed and she sat facing him. 
EPSTEIN directed 
on what to do and how to touch him. EPSTEIN masturbated. 
took this 
to mean that she had to perform sexual favors to keep her job. After this incident, 
had a lot of 
sexual contact with EPSTEIN; it was pretty often, it varied, and happened in all locations. EPSTEIN would 
wake 
up by beginning to fondle her. 
There were some situations that involved other people. The first time another person was present it 
was GHISLAINE MAXWELL. EPSTEIN was laying down. MAXWELL was touching 
and instructing 
her on what to do. MAXWELL told 
where to touch EPSTEIN and how to touch him. 
Before EPSTEIN went to jail the first time was the last time 
had any type of sexual contact with 
him. EPSTEIN would ask 
to come over and sleep in his bed. EPSTEIN called 
water bottle. The sexual contact with EPSTEIN phased out. After EPSTEIN went to jail, 
sleep in his bed anymore. 
his human 
did not 
The majority of the time, the sexual contact would begin with EPSTEIN waking 
up by fondling 
her. EPSTEIN would direct 
by grabbing her hand to follow him to his room. EPSTEIN would lay 
down and masturbate. Sometimes, EPSTEIN would touch 
tell her how to sit, and how to move 
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her head. EPSTEIN would ask 
to give him blow jobs. In Palm Beach, EPSTEIN and 
were 
working out in the cabana. EPSTEIN was on the bike while 
was doing sit-ups. EPSTEIN turned 
the music up loud and put the hurricane shutters up. EPSTEIN "basically" aggressively raped 
EPSTEIN pulled 
pants down and had intercourse with her. This was the only time 
remembered him having intercourse with her. 
There were two other times, besides the time with MAXWELL, where other people were present during 
the sexual contact. There was a time on the island where 
was present. 
remembered being on the bed with her while EPSTEIN directed them. There was a time in New York 
where 
was present. EPSTEIN asked both of them to come over and it led to a similar 
situation as had happened on the island with 
In Palm Beach, the sexual contact with EPSTEIN happened in 
room waking her a lot, the gym 
and though she could not picture it 
was sure that it also happened in his room. In New York, 
EPSTEIN would call 
over to sleep with him, usually at night. EPSTEIN's "code word" was "cold 
sheets". In the beginning, EPSTEIN would have 
sleep over and it turned sexual. When EPSTEIN 
was with MAXWELL, 
recalled being afraid that MAXWELL would find out because 
worked 
in her building. 
thought that when EPSTEIN started dating 
he just had 
sleep 
with him with no sexual contact. 
On the island, the sexual contact occurred in MAXWELL's bedroom. There were also times 
would draw EPSTEIN baths and she would be in the bath and he would lead her to the bedroom. 
MAXWELL had a approximately four girls, including 
on the island for EPSTEIN's birthday. MAXWELL asked them to get naked and wrap 
themselves in saran wrap. MAXWELL took photos. MAXWELL had a massage table brought down to the 
beach. MAXWELL had EPSTEIN get on the table with the women surrounding him while she took a 
photo. All the women were topless. MAXWELL also had them put paint on their breasts to put on a 
canvas to give to EPSTEIN. 
thought this happened around January 2002. 
In Paris, EPSTEIN would have 
sleep in his bed. EPSTEIN would direct 
on what to do, how 
to sit, where to put her shoulders, and how to put her head so that he could not see her face. EPSTEIN 
told her that he did not want to see her face. EPSTEIN wanted his nipples rubbed. 
remembered 
being in his bed after he woke her up in her bed in Paris. 
stayed with him in Paris. 
recalled EPSTEIN leading her to his bed in New Mexico. Most encounters in EPSTEIN's bed were 
with EPSTEIN masturbating. 
did not recall sexual contact revolving around a massage room or during a massage. EPSTEIN 
asked 
to give him two "full proper body" massages, once on the island with a masseuse and 
once on the ranch when no masseuse was available. 
massaged EPSTEIN's feel all of the time, 
along with rubbing his shoulders and cracking his back. 
described EPSTEIN "directing" her was him telling her how to touch him, where to touch him, 
and how to sit. Sometimes, EPSTEIN would touch 
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recalled 
being around during approximately 2002/2003. 
was present for a sexual 
encounter on the island. 
viewed 
as EPSTEIN's girlfriend. 
thought 
was a 
former Miss 
thought 
to be in her twenties during this time. 
recalled 
being around during approximately 2002/2003. 
did not know how 
and EPSTEIN met. 
traveled a lot when 
had started. 
thought 
was in college. 
viewed 
as EPSTEIN's girlfriend. 
The sexual encounter involving MAXWELL happened very early on, but was not the first time 
met them. This happened when 
came back. 
did not remember how it started, but 
recalled being on the bed. MAXWELL was naked and told 
that EPSTEIN liked his nipples rubbed. 
MAXWELL told 
what EPSTEIN liked and how to touch him. MAXWELL was rubbing his nipples. 
MAXWELL touched 
MAXWELL and 
did not talk about it afterwards. 
MAXWELL always made comments and jokes about sex; she was outwardly very open about it. 
MAXWELL said she had gone to a blowjob class. MAXWELL offered to demonstrate what she learned. 
MAXWELL discussed this very generally out at the common table. 
did not remember who was 
all present for this conversation. 
did not know if MAXWELL engaged in other sexual contact with 
other women. 
When 
first started, MAXWELL made a comment to her saying, "Listen to what Jeffrey says; he 
knows what he's doing. He's very successful. You'd do well to listen to what he has to say.". 
During the sexual encounters with EPSTEIN, 
felt ashamed. 
was nervous and scared, not 
sure what was going to happen. 
did not feel that she had a choice. 
did not want to lose 
her job because she felt like she finally had a job where she felt secure. 
did not know where else 
to go. 
MAXWELL made a comment about other girlfriends being trash. 
did not want MAXWELL to put 
her in that category because she did not want to lose her job. MAXWELL was EPSTEIN's girlfriend. 
MAXWELL approved the bills, ran all of EPSTEIN's houses, and in control of everything. 
never told anyone what happened. 
felt ashamed and buried it deep down. • 
not know who to tell; all of 
friends were through EPSTEIN. 
could not tell her 
boyfriends because they would get rid of her. One of 
previous boyfriends was EPSTEIN's 
paralegal who she met through EPSTEIN. 
thought that maybe there were times where there was not sexual contact when she traveled 
with EPSTEIN between 2002 to 2005, but that it happened more than not. 
did 
described the time where she and EPSTEIN were in the gym was the first time she saw him being 
aggressive. EPSTEIN seemed to have a rage about him. It was unexpected and out of the blue to 
had no conversations about sexual boundaries with EPSTEIN. 
did not want to have 
sexual contact with him. 
felt horrible because she was cheating on her boyfriends when with 
EPSTEIN. 
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stayed with EPSTEIN because she did not know where else to go. 
had no friends outside 
of EPSTEIN's world and no education. 
hoped to eventually start her own business with his help 
and his contacts. 
felt that she would lose her job if she did not continue to have sexual 
encounters with EPSTEIN. 
did not think that EPSTEIN would give her a reference anywhere. 
described EPSTEIN as an overpowering, ominous figure. 
could feel EPSTEIN's wrath if 
she did not do what he wanted. EPSTEIN was mad at 
when she booked a car rental and he did 
not do exactly as he said. 
saw him yell at MAXWELL and 
EPSTEIN dictated 
hair style, color, and the style of clothes she wore. EPSTEIN had 
dye 
her hair blonde, cut it to a "boy cut", and have bangs. Sometimes, EPSTEIN would go to the salon to tell 
them what to do to 
hair. EPSTEIN would buy 
clothes. If 
wore clothes that 
EPSTEIN did not like he would ask her where she got them. When 
bought clothes, she would 
show EPSTEIN to get his approval. EPSTEIN also dictated to 
EPSTEIN commented on 
weight. EPSTEIN would tell 
to "lay off' the brownies and tell 
her she should go to the gym. EPSTEIN generally made comments to others as well, including 
would go to EPSTEIN to get approval for every decision she made. 
renovated the guest 
apartments and went to him to get approval for colors and materials. 
EPSTEIN knew that 
had boyfriends because she talked about them. EPSTEIN gave his opinion to 
her about them. EPSTEIN told her that one of them was a loser and she needed to break up with him. 
EPSTEIN mostly put her boyfriends down. EPSTEIN still had sexual contact with 
while she had 
boyfriends. 
time with EPSTEIN was a "whirlwind" as they were constantly traveling. EPSTEIN controlled 
where 
lived and where she went. They traveled every three days. To 
it was not just her 
job, it was her life. If 
was not with EPSTEIN, she still had to deal with calls from him. 
felt 
she was "on call" 24/7 for 365 days a year. 
In 2010, EPSTEIN was released from jail and 
responsibilities increased. EPSTEIN did not have a 
chef at this time so 
was responsible for food when they traveled. 
was renovating and 
decorating the rooms on the island and all the apartments at 301 East 66th Street in New York. After 
EPSTEIN was released, 
did not recall setting up or scheduling massages for EPSTEIN. EPSTEIN 
was still getting massages. EPSTEIN traveled with a masseuse, who was 
did not recall if 
there was any other masseuse. 
In 2012, 
met 
; EPSTEIN was not involved in their meeting each other. When 
met 
, she began traveling with him. During this time, 
was trying to restructure the way she 
worked for EPSTEIN. 
gave EPSTEIN a proposal of how she wanted to work, including less travel 
so she could spend more time with 
because nothing would get done correctly if she was not. EPSTEIN asked 
when she was going to 
switch to IMEIr health insurance so they could pick a date for 
to stop getting paid. 
set up a design business. EPSTEIN told 
she could still help with the renovations. EPSTEIN asked 
when she was moving out of the apartment because he needed it for someone else. 
EPSTEIN told 
that she needed to be present 
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moved out of the apartment a few months before she got married. In September 2013, 
married 
and was no longer EPSTEIN's employee. 
then started managing 
as he was participating in thirty-six races a year. 
was in 
charge of the travel arrangements. 
encouraged 
to keep in contact with EPSTEIN 
because he did not know what had happened. 
viewed EPSTEIN as 
father figure. 
The first people 
told about her sexual encounters with EPSTEIN were her lawyers and then her 
therapist. 
had two conversations with EPSTEIN about writing a book. There was no 
conversation about putting the sexual experiences in the book. 
From 2013 to 2018, 
received two large payments, $100,000 and $250,000, from EPSTEIN. 
had to sign a health care proxy so that if anything happened to her, MAXWELL and EPSTEIN 
would be responsible for her well-being. They did not want her family to be responsible. 
thought that this was MAXWELL's idea, but she was not sure. 
also had to sign a confidentiality 
agreement. 
visited EPSTEIN when he was under house arrest in Palm Beach. EPSTEIN would get 
massages from 
or whoever was traveling. 
salary was $25,000 the first year she worked for EPSTEIN. EPSTEIN paid for 
phone 
bill, housing and traveling expenses, including food while they traveled, and her clothes. EPSTEIN told 
her where to live. While 
was in New York, she paid for her own food. 
salary would go 
up in increments, from $35,000 to $45,000. 
thought $100,000 was the highest she received. 
This was before EPSTEIN went to jail. When EPSTEIN went to jail, all of his employees took a pay cut. 
salary was cut to $75,000. 
EPSTEIN paid for lawyers for 
. One of the lawyers was BRUCE REINHART. This was after EPSTEIN 
went to jail and there were civil suits. 
thought she may have been deposed while he was in jail. 
When 
had a lawsuit against MAXWELL, 
was told by EPSTEIN's in house 
counsel, DARREN INDYKE to find a lawyer and EPSTEIN would pay for it. 
paid for some of the 
expenses of the lawyer. The lawyer was JOHNNY STEVENSON but he eventually stopped representing 
because he was not getting paid. 
At the end of the interview, 
expressed that she wished someone would express to the other 
victims that she would not knowingly facilitate their abuse. 
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