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Q. 
Okay. 
When you say "you help out with boat 
purchases," what do you mean? 
A. 
Give my opinion, whether or not whether to buy 
a certain boat. 
It's just a hobby. 
I have knowledge on 
boats. Not only just airplanes but, you know. 
Q. 
You give your opinion to whom? 
A. 
To Jeffrey. 
Q. 
Okay. 
And Jeffrey Epstein obviously, at least 
in your mind, you believe he wants your opinion? 
A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
Okay. So boats is another thing that the two 
of you have discussed? 
A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
All right. 
And so this a conversation or at 
least some evidence that a conversation existed between 
yourself and Jeffrey Epstein relative to a boat or a 
boat show? 
A. 
Correct. 
Q. 
Do you remember having that conversation? 
A. 
We've had many conversations about boats and 
different boat shows. 
If you're referring to this one 
in '05, I don't recall this one. 
Q. 
Okay. So aside from being a pilot -- which 
throughout this entire deposition I believe your 
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testimony has been, you know, you're just the pilot for 
him -- it looks like there's some other role that you're 
playing here in his life. I'm not suggesting that you 
are or you are not. 
I'm just saying from the appearance 
of this, it looks that way. 
Is there anything else that 
you want to tell me or that you want to clarify in terms 
of the role that you play in Jeffrey Epstein's life 
outside of being just his pilot? 
MR. REINHART: 
Let me object to form. 
He also 
told you he installs the audio and video equipment 
before. 
MR. EDWARDS: Correct. 
THE WITNESS: 
I have an interest in boats. 
You know, with the island, I don't think I bought 
any boats, you know, for the company, but he 
appreciates my opinion on boat purchases. 
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Q. 
Okay. 
A. 
Having the knowledge of aviation and things 
that move quite fast. 
So I have consulted with him on 
boat items. 
Q. 
How many boat purchases are you aware of 
Jeffrey Epstein making in the time period that you've 
known him? 
A. 
Two or three. 
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And has he consulted with you on each of those 
purchases? 
A. 
Not every one of them, no. 
Q. 
Does he own any boats now that you're aware 
of? 
A. 
I don't know if he owns them or not. 
Q. 
Okay. Do you know of any boats that he 
controls or maintains? 
A. 
Himself or? 
Q. 
How about this -- I'll ask you this way. 
I 
don't want to split hairs with you here: 
I know we've 
been talking about corporations and things like that. 
A. 
Yes he. 
Q. 
Do you know of any boats that he is the person 
with the most control over? 
A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
Okay. 
Where would those boats be located and 
what kind of boat are we talking about? 
A. 
St. Thomas is the location. It would be a 
34-foot inflatable boat. 
I know that one specifically. 
Q. 
Okay. Do you know when he made that purchase? 
A. 
Eight years ago, seven years ago. It was a 
while ago. 
Q. 
Is that something you had had input in? 
A. 
Not on that one specifically, no. 
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Q. 
Is there any other boat that you know of 
Jeffrey Epstein being the primary user of or the primary 
controller of? 
A. 
I mean, there's boats in St. Thomas. 
I mean, 
it's not part of my job, you know, what goes on with the 
boats or who controlled them. It's more of an opinion 
of what horsepower should be on the back of the boat, 
hull designs. It's out of my area. 
Q. 
But your sole responsibility or your sole 
obligation that you have ever had with Jeffrey Epstein 
relative to boats is just giving some opinions about the 
boat? 
A. 
Mm-hmm. 
Q. 
Is that yes? 
A. 
Yes, yes. 
Q. 
Okay. 
All right. 
Has he ever given you his 
opinions about boats? 
A. 
Sure. 
We've discussed it back and forth. 
Q. 
Other than boat conversations, have you ever 
talked other conversations, such as 
A. 
Cars. 
Q. 
Okay. 
How about such as -- have you ever 
known Jeffrey Epstein to have a girlfriend, somebody you 
consider a girlfriend? 
A. 
No. 
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In the 18 years and all the travels you had 
with him, do you know anything about Jeffrey Epstein's 
sex life? 
A. 
No. 
Q. 
Do you know who he has sex with? 
A. 
No. 
Q. 
Do you know if he has sex with anybody? 
A. 
I don't know. 
Q. 
Do you know if he's ever had sex on the 
airplane while you've been piloting it? 
A. 
I have no idea. 
Q. 
That's something that you just wouldn't know 
because you're up in the cockpit? 
A. 
That is correct. 
THE WITNESS: Could I take a two-minute 
bathroom break just to lose my coffee? 
MR. EDWARDS: Sure. 
(A break was had at 12:35 p.m.) 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
Q. 
All right. 
We're back on the record. Over 
the years you've indicated that the -- any gifts or 
other items or things given to you by Jeffrey Epstein 
exclusively are the pool heater, the 40-acres of land 
and the --
A. 
Use of a company --
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Q. 
-- and the use of a company car? 
A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
That's it? 
A. 
(Nodding.) 
Q. 
Okay. 
A. 
Yes, I'm sorry, yes. 
Q. 
And the flight to Miami that was recently 
taken, other than Jeffrey Epstein and 
was there anybody else on that flight? 
A. 
No. 
Q • 
How long -- did you also fly them back from 
Miami to Palm Beach? 
A. 
No. 
He drove back. 
Q. 
When you say 'he drove back,• who drove back? 
A. 
Well, I assume he drove back. 
I did not fly 
him back. 
Q. 
When's the next time you saw him again? 
A. 
I would only be guessing. 
A week later, I 
mean. 
Q. 
Okay. 
And was that in Palm Beach County when 
you saw him the next time? 
A. 
Yes, sir. 
Q. 
Do you know of him leaving Palm Beach County 
in the last two years on any other occasion? 
A. 
No. 
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Did he ever fly anywhere else with you either 
by helicopter or airplane in the last two years? 
A. 
We flew one time to the Sikorsky plant. 
Q. 
What's the Sikorsky plant? 
A. 
That's where they build the Sikorsky 
helicopters. 
It's in Palm Beach County. 
Q. 
And when was that? 
A. 
Probably a month ago, I'm guessing. 
Q. 
For what purpose? 
A. 
They gave us a tour at a facility. 
Q. 
Who's they? 
A. 
Sikorsky. 
Q. 
And who requested the tour of the facility? 
A. 
They offered it to our flight department. 
Q. 
And who went? 
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Jeffrey, myself, 
and Igor. 
Q. 
And if I wanted documentation of either of 
those trips, the trip to Miami or the trip to the 
Sikorsky plant, who would have that documentation? 
A. 
I would. 
Q. 
So I could request it from your attorney to 
get it from you? 
MR. REINHART: 
Let me just check. 
(Off the record discussion 
MR. REINHART: Okay. 
He has custody of it, 
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but they're corporate documents. So you'd have to 
request it from Mr. Critton, who I understand 
represents all the corporations. 
THE WITNESS: Yes. 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
Q. 
What's the corporation that the document was 
prepared for? 
A. 
Meaning who -- what, like Air Ghislaine, the 
owner of the helicopter? 
Yes, Air Ghislaine. 
Q. 
Air Ghislaine? 
A. 
That's the helicopter. 
Q. 
And the name Ghislaine is obviously not that 
typical of a name. 
Is that reference or related to 
Ghislaine Maxwell? 
A. 
I would assume. 
I have no knowledge. 
Q. 
Nobody's ever told you that? 
A. 
Nobody's brought it up. 
Q. 
Okay. 
And how long were you at the Sikorsky 
facility? 
A. 
Three hours, four hours. 
Q. 
And what time of day was this? 
A. 
Nine in the morning. 
Nine, I think, and we 
returned at one, something like that. 
Q. 
And was the purpose to buy or purchase 
anything? 
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A. 
They have a new helicopter being developed 
there, so they're trying to look for investors in it. 
So they were just kind of pushing their product. 
Q. 
Do you know what Jeffrey Epstein does for a 
living for business today, these days? 
A. 
No. 
Q. 
Do you know or have you ever been to the 
Florida Science Foundation? 
A. 
Yes, sir. 
Q. 
And do you know what the Florida Science 
Foundation does? 
A. 
Not exactly. 
Q. 
Well, generally? 
A. 
No, I don't. 
I mean, really, I don't. 
Q. 
Okay. 
Is it your understanding that Jeffrey 
Epstein is somehow affiliated with the Florida Science 
Foundation? 
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It's my understanding that, yes. 
Q. 
I mean, did you just by happenstance stumble 
into the Florida Science Foundation, or was it related 
to your relationship with Jeffrey Epstein? 
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I've heard that's where his office was. 
I 
mean, I have no other 
Q. 
Why did you go there? 
A. 
Talk about airplanes. 
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Talk to who? 
A. 
Jeffrey. 
Q. 
Jeffrey just happened to be at the Florida 
Science Foundation? 
A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
How did you know that he was going to be at 
the Florida Science Foundation? 
A. 
He called me and told me. 
Q. 
And he said come to the Florida Science 
Foundation to talk to me about what? 
A. 
Maintenance on the airplanes, upcoming. It's 
an ongoing. 
Q. 
And did he have an office there? 
A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
So this is -- when you walked in, this is the 
place that's right next to Jack Goldberger's office? 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
THE WITNESS: Yes. 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
Q. 
And you walk in and there's a reception desk 
right there? 
A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
Is that where you talked or did you talk 
somewhere behind that reception desk? 
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Behind the reception area. 
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Yes, sir. 
Q. 
What was that conversation? 
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Give me a time frame. 
I mean, I've been there 
several times. 
Q. 
Okay. 
How many times do you think you've been 
to the Florida Science Foundation? 
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Twenty, thirty. 
I mean.. . 
Q. 
Well, the Florida Science Foundation's only 
been around since late 2007; is that right? 
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BY MR. EDWARDS: 
Q. 
Something around that? 
A. 
I don't know exactly. 
O. 
All right. So in the last 20 years -- in the 
last couple of years you've been there 20 or 30 times, 
approximately? 
A. 
Yes, sir. 
Q. 
And during those times when you've been there, 
without having to go through each conversation, did you 
ever talk to him about the fact that he was on probation 
or that he was 
A. 
No. 
Q. 
-- any part of the criminal investigation? 
A. 
No, not at all. 
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Q. 
What was the purpose of the conversation? 
A. 
We were sometimes talking about TVs, you know, 
the latest plasma that's out there, LCD, you know, 
setting up a stereo systems, you know, in the Palm Beach 
house. 
That's usually the main thrust of our 
conversations these days. 
Q. 
How would you know to go to the Florida 
Science Foundation on each of those occasions? 
Would he 
just call you? 
A. 
Yeah, he would call me and say come on by or I 
got a brochure on a new Samsung. 
Q. 
With each time you were at the Florida Science 
Foundation, how long would you stay typically? 
A. 
Ten, fifteen minutes. 
Not much more than 
chat. 
Q. 
You would go there for ten or fifteen minutes, 
have a conversation about a TV and leave? 
A. 
Yes, sir. 
Q. 
Why couldn't you have that conversation over 
the phone? 
What was it about? 
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If it was pertaining to a TV and 
I'd have a brochure, a picture of the TV -- one 
particular TV we looked at it was the size of a 
like five foot diagonal, so I had a photo of myself 
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standing next to it or the salesperson. So I mean, 
there's a reason to visually show him something 
reference to that. 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
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Did you ever communicate with Jeffrey 
Epstein -- you can send him an e-mail, right? 
You could 
have done that? 
A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
To send him the picture or something like 
that, that was an option? 
A. 
Right. 
Q. 
And what's Jeffrey Epstein's e-mail address 
that you use? 
A. 
I have to do it on my computer, you know, 
with -- I have to type in the prompts for it because 
it's a long e-mail address. 
Q. 
Okay. 
How long have you e-mail corresponded 
with Jeffrey Epstein? 
A. 
Probably two years. 
A year to two years. 
I 
mean, it's fairly -- something we just started doing. 
I 
mean, we'd never done that in the past. 
Q. 
Well, in the past he was in jail or have some 
restrictions? 
A. 
The restrictions, yes. 
Q. 
So you you'd see him on the airplane 
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frequently? 
A. 
Exactly. 
Q. 
So when you didn't see him on the airplane 
frequently, then some of your correspondence was by 
e-mail, other times by telephone? 
A. 
Mm-hmm. 
Q. 
And other times in person? 
A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
And what was your e-mail -- what was the 
substance of the e-mail correspondence that you would 
have with Jeffrey Epstein? 
A. 
It would have to be related. 
I mean, you have 
to give me a topic. 
I mean, whether it be a car --
Q. 
Never about the criminal investigation? 
A. 
Oh, no, no, never. 
Q. 
Do you know what his intention is or his plans 
are for when he is off probation? 
A. 
No idea. 
Q. 
Or off community control? 
A. 
I have no idea. 
Q. 
Has he ever indicated to you he wants you to 
fly him to some other location outside the United States 
to live permanently? 
A. 
Oh, no. 
Q. 
Have you ever flown to his place in Paris? 
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A. 
We've landed in Paris. 
Q. 
You're aware that he has some control over 
another piece of property over there? 
A. 
I know we've picked up luggage at a residence. 
I don't know to what extent his ownership is, if any. 
Q. 
All right. 
A. 
Right. 
Q. 
And are you aware that he has some employees 
that listen to what he says that work in that house? 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
THE WITNESS: 
In Paris, yes, there is one 
person there. 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
Q. 
What's his name? 
A. 
Voltzan. Because I always thought there was 
nobody there. 
up. 
Q• 
Vultzan Cauldron (phonetic)? 
A. 
I don't know exactly. 
I would have to look it 
Q. 
Have you talked to him before? 
A. 
No. 
Q. 
When you've been in Paris 
A. 
You're not going to ask why? 
Q. 
Well, I'm assuming he doesn't speak English. 
A. 
There you go, okay. 
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Q. 
So I thought there was no need for that? 
A. 
Okay. 
I just wanted to see. 
Q. 
Where do you stay when Jeffrey Epstein is in 
Paris? 
A. 
A hotel. 
Q. 
Okay. 
And in New Mexico, when you land there, 
you stay on the ranch somewhere, but at your place? 
A. 
I stay at my place. 
Q. 
And in New York, you have an apartment that he 
sets you up at, right, the 301? 
A. 
Yes, I have a place I could stay. 
Q. 
And in St. Thomas? 
A. 
Hotel. 
Q. 
And in Paris you stay at a home? 
A. 
(Nodding.) 
Q. 
Are there any other properties such as what we 
were talking about today -- I'm not saying Jeffrey 
Epstein is the sole owner or direct owner, but any other 
properties that you're familiar with that Jeffrey 
Epstein is -- has direct access to and at least it gives 
the appearance to you that he is the owner or controller 
of that property? 
MR. CRITTON: 
Form. 
THE WITNESS: 
Name the list that you've 
stated. 
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Q. 
The Manhattan house. 
A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
Mansion or whatever we want to call it, the 
Zorro Ranch, the island of St. James, the Palm Beach 
house. 
A. 
Mm-hmm. 
Q. 
And the Paris place. 
A. 
That's all I'm aware of. 
Q. 
And have you ever at any of those five places 
hung around him and stayed around him for 
during the 
daytime for the course of an entire day? 
A. 
No. 
Q. 
All right. So do you know what he does during 
his days while he's there? 
A. 
No. 
Q. 
Are you aware of a list of underage girls that 
is kept to come over and service him each of those days? 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
THE WITNESS: Absolutely not. 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
Q. 
I'm the first person to ever even imply that 
to you, right? 
A. 
A list, yes, you are. 
Q. 
Okay. 
Have you ever been made aware that 
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keeps a list of underage girls to service 
Jeffrey Epstein for sexual purposes? 
A. 
I am not aware of them. 
MR. CRITTON: Form to the last question 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
Q. 
Have you ever been made aware that Ghislaine 
Maxwell keeps a list of girls in the nearby areas of 
each of -- at Jeffrey Epstein's residences to service 
him sexually? 
A. 
No. 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
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O. 
Okay. 
Have you ever read some of the 
complaints that have been filed against him in the 
various courts, whether state court or federal court, 
against Jeffrey Epstein? 
A. 
No, I have not. 
Q. 
All right. So this Jane Doe 102 versus 
Jeffrey Epstein, you're not familiar with who that 
person is? 
A. 
No idea. 
Q. 
Okay. 
I'm going to mark Jane Doe, one of the 
22, versus Epstein as Exhibit No. 4 to this deposition. 
(Plaintiff's Exhibit No. 4 was marked for 
identification.) 
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BY MR. EDWARDS: 
Q. 
And ask you about some of the allegations in 
here and see if you know anything about them. 
It 
indicates he owns a flight of aircraft that includes a 
Gulfstream, a helicopter, and a Boeing 727. True? 
MR. CRITTON: 
What's the question? 
THE WITNESS: Please repeat. 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
Q. 
Are you aware of him owning a Gulfstream IV 
aircraft, a helicopter and a Boeing 727? 
I think we 
talked about it, right? 
A. 
Right. 
Q. 
Okay. 
And it indicates a fleet of motor 
vehicles? 
MR. CRITTON: 
Wait a minute. 
He said right, 
is that we talked about it, as distinct from him 
knowing one way or another. 
THE WITNESS: 
What's the question? 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
Q. 
Do you know that he owns those things? 
A. 
I do not know that he owns them. 
Q. 
Do you believe that he owns those things? 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
THE WITNESS: 
I would be guessing, so.. . 
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Q. 
What does the company NES, LLC, do to your 
knowledge? 
A. 
I have no idea. 
Q. 
know? 
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How does that company generate profit, if you 
A. 
I have no idea. 
Q. 
That's the company that pays your paycheck, 
but you have absolutely no clue what they do to generate 
money? 
A. 
No, sir. 
Q. 
If anything? 
A. 
Correct. 
Q. 
Have you ever heard that that company 
generates money through sex trafficking of young girls? 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
THE WITNESS: Absolutely not. 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
Q. 
Never, okay. 
Have you ever heard that Jeffrey 
Epstein has a sexual preference for underage girls? 
Other than what you've read in the newspaper, have you 
heard that from any other individuals before? 
A. 
No. 
Q. 
Ever heard that he has had sex or sexual 
relationships with many minor girls, some as young as 12 
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